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DustMoon
我要开始水了 No Kd
1|2|3|4|
ExNeko's Normal
00:10:305 (10305|3,10595|1) - Ctrl+j
00:18:421 (18421|3,18518|2,18614|1,18711|0) - 你跟的好迷啊
00:29:146 (29146|0,29435|2,29580|3,29725|1,30015|3,30305|2,30305|1) - 迷
00:34:363 - 建议:https://puu.sh/wg1kA/37118cfec3.jpg
00:46:537 (46537|0,46754|0,46972|0) - 你确定要放jack吗?不友好
01:11:175 (71175|0,71319|3,71464|0,71609|3) - EX
01:29:725 (89725|2) - 移动到2
01:46:827 (106827|0,106827|1,106972|3,107117|2,107262|0,107406|3,107551|2,107696|0,107841|3,107986|2,107986|0,108131|3,108276|1,108421|2,108566|0,108711|3,108856|2,109146|0,109146|1) - 希望你可以参照一下其他难度抓的音,我感觉你这样放很玄学https://puu.sh/wg1b5/f425eb9395.jpg
Spy小姐姐啊,我觉得你的难度名的命名规则好像不太统一啊。。。 :?
ExNeko

DustMoon wrote:

我要开始水了 No Kd
1|2|3|4|
ExNeko's Normal
00:10:305 (10305|3,10595|1) - Ctrl+j
00:18:421 (18421|3,18518|2,18614|1,18711|0) - 你跟的好迷啊
00:29:146 (29146|0,29435|2,29580|3,29725|1,30015|3,30305|2,30305|1) - 迷
00:34:363 - 建议:https://puu.sh/wg1kA/37118cfec3.jpg
00:46:537 (46537|0,46754|0,46972|0) - 你确定要放jack吗?不友好
01:11:175 (71175|0,71319|3,71464|0,71609|3) - EX
01:29:725 (89725|2) - 移动到2
01:46:827 (106827|0,106827|1,106972|3,107117|2,107262|0,107406|3,107551|2,107696|0,107841|3,107986|2,107986|0,108131|3,108276|1,108421|2,108566|0,108711|3,108856|2,109146|0,109146|1) - 希望你可以参照一下其他难度抓的音,我感觉你这样放很玄学https://puu.sh/wg1b5/f425eb9395.jpg
Spy小姐姐啊,我觉得你的难度名的命名规则好像不太统一啊。。。 :?

改了一部分
IIDX_COSMO
I like dubstep
Topic Starter
Spy

IIDX_COSMO wrote:

I like dubstep
Well, this is my favorite song
[Printemps]
新人水

ExNeko's Normal
00:37:117 (37117|1) - 这里放1/3会不会好一点 00:46:392 (46392|2) - 这里也是
00:46:537 (46537|0,46754|0,46972|0,47117|3,47262|2,47406|1) - 这里像是1/3 不像3+3+2
01:03:059 (63059|0) - 01:03:928 (63928|3,64218|2,64508|1) - 这几个音感觉不是很明显 可以抓01:03:638 - 和01:03:783 -
01:14:943 (74943|1) - 这个放在01:15:088 - 会比较好一点吧
01:41:030 - 这里1note(个人感觉没必要加难度吧
01:46:827 - 这里放3+3+2会不会好一点
02:02:696 - 漏音

Tofu's Hyper
00:09:291 (9291|3,9435|2) - 换一下轨道会不会好一点
00:42:334 (42334|1,42624|2) - 这里没人声 删掉会比较好吧
00:57:841 - 这里加一个音
01:28:566 (88566|3,88566|2,88638|1,88638|0,88711|2,88711|3) - 双note会不会有点难
01:57:551 - 01:57:841 - 这两个地方有电音 建议加一个
02:02:624 (122624|3) - 好像没音 为了手感吗
02:06:899 (126899|1,126972|3) - 这里1note 建议删掉前面的(2note为了分这个音感觉没必要吧) 然后02:07:117 - 加一个

以我的水平就只能到这里了
PS:打歌的时候感觉offset稍微晚了一点?
ExNeko

[Printemps] wrote:

新人水

ExNeko's Normal
00:37:117 (37117|1) - 这里放1/3会不会好一点 00:46:392 (46392|2) - 这里也是
00:46:537 (46537|0,46754|0,46972|0,47117|3,47262|2,47406|1) - 这里像是1/3 不像3+3+2
01:03:059 (63059|0) - 01:03:928 (63928|3,64218|2,64508|1) - 这几个音感觉不是很明显 可以抓01:03:638 - 和01:03:783 -
01:14:943 (74943|1) - 这个放在01:15:088 - 会比较好一点吧
01:41:030 - 这里1note(个人感觉没必要加难度吧
01:46:827 - 这里放3+3+2会不会好一点
02:02:696 - 漏音

以我的水平就只能到这里了
PS:打歌的时候感觉offset稍微晚了一点?
谢摸,挺好的/
Shima Rin

[Printemps] wrote:

新人水

Tofu's Hyper
00:09:291 (9291|3,9435|2) - 换一下轨道会不会好一点 ok
00:42:334 (42334|1,42624|2) - 这里没人声 删掉会比较好吧 前一个没有,只删了那个
00:57:841 - 这里加一个音 没什么必要啊
01:28:566 (88566|3,88566|2,88638|1,88638|0,88711|2,88711|3) - 双note会不会有点难 还行的,不会很难,况且只是双note左右拍三次,没有五次,也不会非常难
01:57:551 - 01:57:841 - 这两个地方有电音 建议加一个 但是没有原先的snarekick啊
02:02:624 (122624|3) - 好像没音 为了手感吗 忘了改了,fixed
02:06:899 (126899|1,126972|3) - 这里1note 建议删掉前面的(2note为了分这个音感觉没必要吧) 然后02:07:117 - 加一个 人声呀,还有后面那个地方没必要加音,我没听出来还有什么其余的乐器了,除了kick之外

以我的水平就只能到这里了
PS:打歌的时候感觉offset稍微晚了一点?
谢谢摸图 ;)
Critical_Star
Neko
00:36:972 (36972|3,36972|0) - try reduce a note here to make it easier just like you did at 00:18:421 (18421|3,18518|2,18614|1,18711|0) -
00:47:310 (47310|1) - would prefer to catch the kick instead of this one, example > http://puu.sh/wxTAz/fb9fd36a0c.png
00:50:740 - add a note here?
00:59:001 - 01:00:160 - 01:01:319 - intention not using double here? would high suggest to make it double for consistency
01:49:435 - double?
02:02:914 - missing kick note i assume

Tofu
00:24:508 (24508|1,24653|2) - CTRL+H? just to make it left flow
00:51:754 (51754|3,51827|0,51899|2,51972|1,52044|3,52117|0,52189|2,52262|1) - the sound variation changed here, will suggest something other than 1-3-2-4 then
01:11:175 (71175|1,71319|2,71464|0,71609|1) - suggestion > http://puu.sh/wxTTT/63f3eb167b.png
01:21:319 - make triple here wont be too hard
02:07:479 (127479|1,127551|3) - CTRL+G look nice

KK
00:46:537 - till 00:47:696 - i am kinda uncertain with some 1/3 sound
00:49:508 - 00:50:088 - intention for a break 1/4 here?
00:57:551 (57551|1,57624|2) - CTRL+H?
02:02:479 (122479|1,122551|2) - ^
02:07:696 (127696|3) - could reduce the tension here by deleting this note

Spy
00:20:885 - double note here for clap + kick
00:29:725 (29725|2) - should be 1/4 LN like 00:29:870 (29870|1,30015|0,30160|0) -
00:46:537 - till 00:47:696 - compared with KK diff, might wanna discuss those 1/3 stream here.
00:47:696 - triple looks nice
00:49:725 - make double here since the sound are getting stronger by this point
00:51:175 - i just want to point a litle spike here > http://puu.sh/wyeTR/266fb11d8a.jpg not wrong but the pattern spike are huge here
00:57:841 - add at 4 for loud bass kick
01:02:479 - consider to add one more note
01:21:319 - triple?
01:23:638 - make double
02:02:769 - same like previous one, u can make it double here
02:05:377 (125377|0,125377|3,125377|2,125595|2,125595|3,125595|0,125812|0,125812|2,125812|3,126030|0,126030|3,126030|2,126247|3,126247|2,126247|0,126537|1,126537|0,126537|3) - consider adding 1/4 stream here? example> http://puu.sh/wyf7L/8bd9528680.jpg
Aruel
oh I hope CS will finish his icon in today
Shima Rin

Critical_Star wrote:

Tofu
00:24:508 (24508|1,24653|2) - CTRL+H? just to make it left flow the thing is, in the previous part, from 00:21:319 - to 00:23:638 - i made all left flow, and from 00:23:638 - i decide to change to right flow, and until 00:25:957 - it is all right flow. I think if i change the right flow part will be influenced so i'd like to keep

00:51:754 (51754|3,51827|0,51899|2,51972|1,52044|3,52117|0,52189|2,52262|1) - the sound variation changed here, will suggest something other than 1-3-2-4 then fixed with 12 43 12 43 pattern
01:11:175 (71175|1,71319|2,71464|0,71609|1) - suggestion > http://puu.sh/wxTTT/63f3eb167b.png fixed
01:21:319 - make triple here wont be too hard fixed, i guess there is something else so need triple lol
02:07:479 (127479|1,127551|3) - CTRL+G look nice fixed
Thanks CS ;) I will tell Spy to update mine!
ExNeko

Critical_Star wrote:

Neko
00:36:972 (36972|3,36972|0) - try reduce a note here to make it easier just like you did at 00:18:421 (18421|3,18518|2,18614|1,18711|0) - fixed
00:47:310 (47310|1) - would prefer to catch the kick instead of this one, example > http://puu.sh/wxTAz/fb9fd36a0c.png fixed
00:50:740 - add a note here? fixed
00:59:001 - 01:00:160 - 01:01:319 - intention not using double here? would high suggest to make it double for consistency fixed
01:49:435 - double? No
02:02:914 - missing kick note i assume fixed
lol, thanks CS :)
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Topic Starter
Spy

Critical_Star wrote:

Spy
00:20:885 - double note here for clap + kick OK
00:29:725 (29725|2) - should be 1/4 LN like 00:29:870 (29870|1,30015|0,30160|0) - Chnaged
00:46:537 - till 00:47:696 - compared with KK diff, might wanna discuss those 1/3 stream here. Make some changes
00:47:696 - triple looks nice Hm, OK
00:49:725 - make double here since the sound are getting stronger by this point OK
00:51:175 - i just want to point a litle spike here > http://puu.sh/wyeTR/266fb11d8a.jpg not wrong but the pattern spike are huge here Make changes here
00:57:841 - add at 4 for loud bass kick OK
01:02:479 - consider to add one more note OK
01:21:319 - triple? Nope, it is already fine
01:23:638 - make double OK
02:02:769 - same like previous one, u can make it double here OK
02:05:377 (125377|0,125377|3,125377|2,125595|2,125595|3,125595|0,125812|0,125812|2,125812|3,126030|0,126030|3,126030|2,126247|3,126247|2,126247|0,126537|1,126537|0,126537|3) - consider adding 1/4 stream here? example> http://puu.sh/wyf7L/8bd9528680.jpg Changed here
Thanks for modding! :D

Fresh Chicken wrote:

oh I hope CS will finish his icon in today
Sure, we do today!
Akasha-

Critical_Star wrote:

KK
00:46:537 - till 00:47:696 - i am kinda uncertain with some 1/3 sound
00:49:508 - 00:50:088 - intention for a break 1/4 here? i prefer let it break on these
00:57:551 (57551|1,57624|2) - CTRL+H?
02:02:479 (122479|1,122551|2) - ^ nah, it sounds repetitive
02:07:696 (127696|3) - could reduce the tension here by deleting this note
The rest are applied, Thank you CS

fix
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Critical_Star
alright
Aruel
My turn

ExNeko's Normal

00:17:841 - ~ 00:18:711 - Personally want to give some difference in this part due to of kinda lack of left hand, 00:18:131 (18131|2,18276|3) - this could be 2-3 I guess, it's not so hard much either.

00:29:146 (29146|0) - This LN is kinda questionable. I think it should have finish on 00:29:725 - here.

00:34:363 (34363|1,34508|0) - I'd like to re-collocate it 1-2 just for a bit of balance.

00:43:059 (43059|0,43348|3,43638|0,43928|3) - It's very slow but don't need to be a trill pattern like this. 00:43:928 (43928|3) - What about to move it 3?

00:46:754 (46754|3) - 1/3 00:46:730 -

02:02:334 (122334|2) - 02:02:479 - Should have finish on here. I guess you did matched like other 4 LNs on below but 02:02:479 (122479|0) - a kick of this note just block that LN sound

Tofu(Love Dubstep)'s Hyper

00:09:508 - Would like to question it, is this intentionally empty'd?

00:30:015 (30015|0,30160|0) - Not same pitch so this jack might no need.
This is pretty fit. How about to use pattern like this

00:50:160 - If I was you, I'll give some difference pattern. This repeating pattern give a feeling of boredom.

KK(NOOB)'s AnotherGamer

00:22:914 (22914|1,22914|2) - I'd like to re-collocate it to 3-4 because of that these 00:22:769 (22769|3,22769|2,22914|2,22914|1) - sounds are pretty same which means it's same pitch, so could be mini jack and short LN with 12-23-34 pattern pretty can break player's acc.

00:27:406 (27406|0,27406|1,27551|2,27551|1,27696|3,27696|2) - ^

00:29:870 (29870|1,29870|0,30015|1,30015|2,30160|2,30160|3) - But this is kinda fine, this pattern pretty well be expressed this sound. breaking acc is still same but well matched.

01:10:305 (70305|1,70450|2) - I know you are following synth, yeah. 01:10:160 - If it so, you should add on here too. Low pitch but they are same instrument.

01:53:204 (113204|2,113204|3,113348|2,113348|1) - Do these shield patterns intended? if not, better to change I guess.

Leggendaria

00:36:972 (36972|3,36972|0,37068|3,37068|1,37165|2,37165|3) - Pretty unbalanced with 00:36:682 (36682|2,36682|1,36682|0,36827|2,36827|0,36827|1) - this. I'd like to use pattern like this if you think about well-playable

I think 00:42:334 (42334|3) - this should be removed because of a general pattern in this part is basically follow kick + vocal, but there's no vocal

02:05:957 - What about this, just for more balanced pattern

Most of mods are from my personal opinion, feel free to reject or question or accept or sleep with me

call me later
ExNeko

Fresh Chicken wrote:

My turn

ExNeko's Normal

00:17:841 - ~ 00:18:711 - Personally want to give some difference in this part due to of kinda lack of left hand, 00:18:131 (18131|2,18276|3) - this could be 2-3 I guess, it's not so hard much either.

00:29:146 (29146|0) - This LN is kinda questionable. I think it should have finish on 00:29:725 - here.

00:34:363 (34363|1,34508|0) - I'd like to re-collocate it 1-2 just for a bit of balance.

00:43:059 (43059|0,43348|3,43638|0,43928|3) - It's very slow but don't need to be a trill pattern like this. 00:43:928 (43928|3) - What about to move it 3?

00:46:754 (46754|3) - 1/3 00:46:730 -

02:02:334 (122334|2) - 02:02:479 - Should have finish on here. I guess you did matched like other 4 LNs on below but 02:02:479 (122479|0) - a kick of this note just block that LN sound
Thanks
All accepted
Akasha-

Fresh Chicken wrote:

My turn

KK(NOOB)'s AnotherGamer

00:22:914 (22914|1,22914|2) - I'd like to re-collocate it to 3-4 because of that these 00:22:769 (22769|3,22769|2,22914|2,22914|1) - sounds are pretty same which means it's same pitch, so could be mini jack and short LN with 12-23-34 pattern pretty can break player's acc.

00:27:406 (27406|0,27406|1,27551|2,27551|1,27696|3,27696|2) - ^

00:29:870 (29870|1,29870|0,30015|1,30015|2,30160|2,30160|3) - But this is kinda fine, this pattern pretty well be expressed this sound. breaking acc is still same but well matched.

01:10:305 (70305|1,70450|2) - I know you are following synth, yeah. 01:10:160 - If it so, you should add on here too. Low pitch but they are same instrument.nah, it sounds loudest on these 2 timings

01:53:204 (113204|2,113204|3,113348|2,113348|1) - Do these shield patterns intended? if not, better to change I guess. it was intended for [34] [23] [12], overall, it's still playable to me

call me later
Thank you for modding, the rest are fixed

fix
osu file format v14

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Topic Starter
Spy

Fresh Chicken wrote:

My turn
Leggendaria

00:36:972 (36972|3,36972|0,37068|3,37068|1,37165|2,37165|3) - Pretty unbalanced with 00:36:682 (36682|2,36682|1,36682|0,36827|2,36827|0,36827|1) - this. I'd like to use pattern like this if you think about well-playable Only this part? There 3 same parts but you only mentioned one, anyway I fixed other parts too

I think 00:42:334 (42334|3) - this should be removed because of a general pattern in this part is basically follow kick + vocal, but there's no vocal Alright

02:05:957 - What about this, just for more balanced pattern It's fine

Most of mods are from my personal opinion, feel free to reject or question or accept or sleep with me

call me later
Thanks for check! :D
About tofu's diff, he go aboard today, but about his part, he accepted all.
Aruel
00:36:972 (36972|3,36972|0,37068|3,37068|1,37165|2,37165|3) - Pretty unbalanced with 00:36:682 (36682|2,36682|1,36682|0,36827|2,36827|0,36827|1) - this. I'd like to use pattern like this if you think about well-playable Only this part? There 3 same parts but you only mentioned one, anyway I fixed other parts too

ya because this part have 2 triples before that pattern with that oattern make more harder so I pointed out only this

I guess its fine so I'll qualify soon yahoyaho
Aruel
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Topic Starter
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1 / 2 / 3 / 4

Map absolutely riddled with problems, no idea how this is getting past BNs.

General
Offset is about 10ms too early overall.
These diff names look stupid and cringy; Change them to something normal that follows the IIDX scale. (X's Normal, X's Hyper, X's Another, Leggendaria/Black Another etc.

Normal
00:01:609 (1609|3,2189|3) - Why create a random columnstack that doesn't follow the music at all? the pattern is just awkward and lopsided on the 4th column and there's no reason for it to be there.
00:18:276 (18276|1,18421|0,18518|1) - Creating an awkward minitrill on the left hand here. can be re-patterned into 1,3,2,4 to be much more comfortable
00:24:218 (24218|2,24218|0,24508|1,24798|2,24798|0) - ??? Why did you leave the 4th column to make a random pattern here (00:24:798 (24798|0,24798|2) - Change this into a 34)
00:25:957 (25957|2) - This should be a double, you map this sound previously to a double so there is no reason for it to be the same here.
00:30:305 (30305|1) - Move to 1, You leave the 1st column empty to create an awkward columnstack on 2; just move it here so that it is more comfortable and move 00:30:595 (30595|0) - to 2 to avoid another columnstack
00:38:131 (38131|1) - Would move this LN to 3 so so that it transitions comfortably. (00:38:421 (38421|2) - Move this to 2, 00:38:711 (38711|0) - Move this to 2, 00:38:856 (38856|1) - move this to 1)
00:39:001 (39001|2) - Due to the harshness of the snare, I would change this into a [34] with the hold staying on 3.
00:39:580 (39580|3) - Why is this bit completely different to 00:11:754 (11754|2) - when it sounds exactly the same?
00:44:508 (44508|3,44653|0,44798|2,44943|1,45088|0) - This is awful to play. it rolls uncomfortably and leaves 4th column blank. would repattern into 00:44:653 (44653|0,44798|2,44943|1,45088|0) - being 1, 2, 3, 4
01:03:928 (63928|3,66247|3) - The notes just, disappear here. Why? The song does not stop at all, there is legit no reason why you stop putting notes down here. This is a serious error.
01:14:363 (74363|2,74653|3,74798|2,75088|1,75233|0,75377|1) - what is this hand balance
01:19:001 (79001|2,79291|3,79870|3) - The synth doesn't stop here at all, there is no reason for you to stop mapping to it and suddenly follow the clap. You can still have it emphasise the vocals whilst still following the synth.
01:29:725 (89725|1) - Move to 1 to make exiting the previous LN on 2 to be more comfortable.
01:30:015 (90015|0) - Move to 2 because of the above point.
01:30:595 (90595|1) - Move to 1 because of the above point
01:30:885 (90885|0) - Move to 2 because of the above point
01:31:464 (91464|1) - Move to 1 because of the above point.
01:32:914 (92914|1,93493|1) - Same LN exiting 'unorthodoxness' here. (Just re-pattern it.)
01:46:537 (106537|0,106827|0) - No column stacks like this. It doesn't fit your previous patterning and makes for a not particularly good transition.
01:50:015 (110015|2,110160|1,110305|3,110450|2,110595|1,110740|3) - You completely forget about the first column here.
01:50:740 (110740|3,111175|3) - biasing a 4th column for no reason (01:51:175 (111175|3,111319|2) - Flip these so that they're 3,4)
01:54:073 (114073|2,114073|0,114653|2,114653|0) - Repeating chords is awkward and boring to play.
01:54:508 (114508|3,114653|2,114798|3) - Awkward minitrill.
01:55:522 (115522|3,116537|3) - Forgot about the 4th column again. (01:56:102 (116102|2) - move to 4)
01:57:262 (117262|0,118421|0) - Forgot about the 1st column.

Hyper
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8495490 - why is the normal harder than the hyper here
00:09:580 (9580|1,9653|2,9725|0,9798|3) - The way this pattern rolls is incredibly awkward for no reason and actually makes exiting it here(00:10:450 (10450|1,10522|2,10595|0,10595|3)) more comfortable as it rolls out 2,3,4. This needs some sort of re-pattern.
00:13:059 (13059|1,13204|2,13348|1,13493|2) - Awkward minitrill
00:18:131 (18131|0,18131|2,18276|2,18276|0,18421|1,18421|3) - Awkward jacks like before with an (00:18:421 (18421|1,18518|2,18614|1)) awkward minitrill mixed in.
00:20:595 (20595|2,20667|1,20740|3,20812|2,20885|1) - Re-pattern this so that it includes the use of the left column, there isn't any layering or pitch relevancy being used in this mapset so there is no reason to just ignore a column like that.
00:26:102 (26102|1) - Move to 1 to evenly distribute across columns. No idea how BNs missed this, come on.
00:28:566 (28566|0) - Would turn into a chord just to make it consistent and follow the drums more.
00:29:725 (29725|1,29870|1) - These two are not remotely the same pitch. why make them into a jack.
00:29:146 (29146|1,29218|0,29291|1) - Another awkward minitrill.
00:39:146 (39146|1,39291|0,39363|1) - ^
00:40:450 (40450|3,40740|3,41030|3,41319|3) - This is an anchor, its sort of ok here since its not obnoxious, but it does not follow the music which hints to me that its unintentional.
00:41:609 (41609|0,41899|0,42189|0,42479|0,42769|0,43059|0) - You do the same here but it's not following the song at all, this would actually be really cool to play if it was on the right beats (i.e 1 1 1 1 4 4 4 4 1 1 1 1 || but instead you have 1 1 1 1 1 4 4 4 4 4 4 which is just not following it at all)
00:43:059 (43059|3,43348|3,43638|3,43928|3,44218|3,44508|3,44798|3,45088|3,45377|3,45667|3,45957|3,46247|3,46537|3) - Random extremely long anchor. This is completely unrankable and does not fit the song at all.
00:49:073 (49073|1,49146|0,49291|1) - Awkward minitrill
00:49:363 (49363|2,49435|3,49580|2) - ^
00:49:653 (49653|1,49725|0,49870|1) - ^
00:50:160 (50160|0,50233|2,50305|0,50450|3,50522|1,50595|3) - Why switch patterns here for no reason and then go back to the previous patterning. Either way the way this is patterned should be how this section is patterned throughout.
00:50:812 (50812|1,50885|0,51030|1) - Awkward Minitrill
00:51:102 (51102|2,51319|2) - ^
00:51:247 (51247|0,51319|2,51392|1,51464|3,51537|0,51609|2,51682|1,51754|3) - Calls back to my previous point at 00:09:580 (9580|1,9653|2,9725|0,9798|3) -
00:53:059 (53059|2,53493|2) - Bad transition. Repattern so that this 00:52:914 (52914|3,53059|2) - goes 3, 4
00:50:522 (50522|1,50812|1,51030|1,51392|1,51682|1,51972|1,52262|1,52479|1,52769|1) - Insanely long anchor that makes no sense.
00:54:363 (54363|3,54363|1) - Would mark these loud claps with hands.
00:57:841 (57841|2,58131|2) - Exiting this LN is uncomfortable.
01:02:189 (62189|2,62262|0,62334|2) - Awkward minitrill
01:10:885 (70885|3,72044|3) - Forgot about the 4th column here.
01:26:827 (86827|1,86827|0,86972|2,86972|3,87117|3,87117|0,87117|1) - This pattern is awkward, change into [12]-[3]-[124]
01:27:986 (87986|2,87986|3,88131|0,88131|1,88276|3,88276|2,88276|0) - ^
01:42:189 (102189|0,102189|2,102189|3) - Why use a hand here when for the exact same sound you use a jump earlier?
01:56:102 (116102|1,116102|3,116102|0) - ^ (this is copy and pasted from the one before it lol)
01:59:291 (119291|1,119291|3) - Would still mark these loud claps with hands.
02:00:450 (120450|2,120450|1) - ^
02:01:609 (121609|2,121609|0) - ^
02:03:928 (123928|1,123928|3) - ^
02:05:088 (125088|2,125088|1) - ^
02:06:247 (126247|0,126247|2) - ^
02:07:551 (127551|1,127624|2,127696|1) - awkward minitrill.

Another
00:01:320 (1320|3,1609|3,2479|3) - Why so dense on column 4 instantly?
(this diff is really well made, nice layering.)
00:29:870 (29870|1,29870|0,30015|1,30015|2,30160|2,30160|3) - I dislike this transition a lot, its very easy to mess up because of the lns and feels awkward with it using both wrists for 1 chord + 3 note jacks. you could repattern this but it is ok as-is.
00:53:493 (53493|3,53493|2) - You could really do some cool SV tricks here. that would really increase this difficulties replay value.
Overall this is really well made!

Leggendaria
00:09:435 (9435|3,9580|3,9725|3) - Why the random jack?
00:16:102 (16102|3,16102|2,16247|2,16392|2,16392|3,16537|3,16537|2,16682|3) - Incredibly awkward on the right hand for no real reason.
00:20:305 (20305|2) - There is clearly a sound here.
00:23:928 (23928|1,23928|2,23928|3,24073|1,24146|2,24218|1,24218|3,24291|2) - ??? Awkward minitrill + random jack on column 2 + awkward minitrill on 2/3. Please re-pattern this.
00:27:986 (27986|1,28059|2,28131|1,28204|2,28276|1) - Why map these like awkward trills when you could make interesting jumpstreams out of it?
00:45:088 (45088|0,45667|0) - Column 1 just forgotten about for no reason.
00:45:522 (45522|1,45595|2,45667|1) - refer to my point at 00:27:986
00:50:160 (50160|2,50305|2,50450|2) - Whats with the random jack?
00:50:305 (50305|2,50377|1,50450|2,50522|1) - And the awkward trill?
00:50:595 (50595|0,51175|0) - Completely forgetting about column 1 when you could move one of the notes (00:50:885 (50885|1)) into column 1 and (00:50:885 (50885|3)) to column 2 and also flipping (00:51:030 (51030|2,51102|3,51175|2)) so that its 4,3,4 so that you retain a jack but also keep an even spread throughout the columns.
00:51:175 (51175|0,51247|1,51319|0,51392|1,51537|1) - Another minitrill into unfun jack.
00:52:262 (52262|3,52262|2,52334|0,52334|3,52334|1) - No. Remove these minijacks. -- you can just delete 00:52:262 (52262|3) and this pattern would be fun and still fit the song. there is no reason to sacrifice playability to follow this drumroll.
00:52:624 (52624|0,52769|1,52914|3,53059|2) - Repattern this so that it ends on the 1; this will mean that the 1st column will be empty for a much shorter period of time and overall even out hand-balance. I should note that I have no problem with the up-coming jacks and i recommend not changing these.
00:57:551 (57551|3,57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57841|3) - If you're going to throw in a burst mid-jack; Do NOT make it a onehanded trill. This is such a spike in awkwardness.
01:01:754 (61754|0,61827|1,61899|0,61972|1,62117|1) - Another awkward trill into jack.
01:02:044 (62044|3,62189|3) - Why make the stream start on the same hand as the double when there is an empty column 1 during most of this burst. you could make the stream start on column 1 and not only would it be more comfortable but it would also even out hand balance since this is a predominantly right-handed map.
01:11:464 (71464|3,71754|3,71899|2,72044|3,72189|2,72334|3) - Re-pattern this; It's very unfun to play.
01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1) - Columnstacking for no reason, column 3 is left empty for a while in this section, why not move 01:13:493 (73493|1) - to column 3, this would also even out hand density.
01:14:798 (74798|2,75088|2,75377|2) - Another column stack which isn't following the music.
01:16:392 (76392|3,76537|2,76682|3,76827|2,76972|3) - This is still not particularly nice to play, please re-pattern this.
01:17:551 (77551|1,77841|1,78131|1) - You copied and pasted this from 01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1) so edit out the same problems I pointed in it beforehand.
01:22:189 (82189|1,82479|1,82769|1,82769|3) - You also copied and pasted this from 01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1). Fix the same problem.
01:25:812 (85812|2,85885|1,85957|2) - Please don't put random minitrills in this section; its just awkward and unfun to play and makes it feel like you squished a 7k map into 4k to make it.
01:26:102 (86102|1,86175|0,86247|1) - ^
01:26:392 (86392|2,86464|1,86537|2) - ^
01:27:262 (87262|2,87334|1,87406|2) - ^
01:27:551 (87551|1,87624|0,87696|1) - ^
01:27:841 (87841|2,87914|3,87986|2) - ^
01:29:363 (89363|0,89363|1,89435|2,89435|0,89435|3) - Remove minijack patterns like this. They're extremely un-fun. (once again, you can just delete 01:29:363 (89363|0) and it would be fun and playable with minimal changing to your mapping style.)
01:34:508 (94508|1,94508|3,94580|2,94653|1,94653|3,94725|2) - If you're going to put bursts in your jacks; Don't make them one handed trills LET ALONE trills on 2-3 and 3-4!! This is just completely unbearable to play.
01:34:798 (94798|0,94870|1,94943|0) - Another awkward one-handed trill.
01:39:291 (99291|0,99363|1,99435|0) - ^
01:39:580 (99580|1,99653|2,99725|1) - I don't feel like these are as bad when they use both hands, they are still an un-fun pattern in my opinion and I would remove them.
01:40:160 (100160|2) - ??? why an LN here? you didn't do this before and it doesn't seem to fit anything in the song.
01:42:334 (102334|2,102406|1,102479|2,102624|1,102624|2,102769|2,102841|1,102914|2) - This is not particularly nice to play; please re-pattern.
01:43:059 (103059|1,103131|2,103204|1,103348|2,103493|1,103566|2,103638|1,103711|2,103856|1,103928|2) - Oh my god it continues. Just redesign these bursts so that they're not awkward trills. Like I said above; It feels like you've squished a 7k map into 4k -- which is not particularly good
01:46:972 (106972|2,107044|3,107117|2) - Please stop these one-handed trills; they're not fun and can be patterned so much smoother.
01:47:624 (107624|1,107696|0,107769|1) - ^
01:48:856 (108856|2) - Move to 2; the column is empty for a long period of time here -- you're not following pitch relevancy or any form of layering so there's no reason for columns to randomly fall empty.
01:53:059 (113059|2,113204|2,113348|2,113493|2,113638|2) - Awkward 5 note jack; remove this as it's just bad. Also it merges with trills which just makes it awful -- you should re-pattern this.
01:57:841 (117841|1,117914|2,117986|1) - I'll give this one a pass since it fits the music.
02:02:479 (122479|0,122479|3,122479|1,122551|2,122624|3,122696|0,122696|2,122769|3,122769|1) - Copied and pasted from 00:57:551 (57551|3,57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57841|3) (infact this entire map is copy-pasted patterns lol); Fix the same mistakes I pointed out there.
02:02:914 (122914|3,122914|0,122914|2) - The sound here is much lighter than the clap-smashes, why not make this a double instead? you could remove the note on column 4 and that would also ease the anchor on there which is currently extremely long.
02:05:377 (125377|3,125377|2,125377|0,125450|1,125522|2,125595|1,125595|0,125595|3,125667|2,125740|1,125812|3,125812|0,125812|2,125885|1,125957|2,126030|3,126030|0,126030|1,126102|2,126175|0,126247|3,126247|1,126247|2,126319|0,126392|2,126464|1,126537|3,126537|2,126537|0) - Why?? With all due respect; this plays like complete trash. It has trills on every column and intense anchors on 2-3 -- This NEEDS a re-pattern.
02:06:175 (126175|0,126247|1,126319|0,126392|2,126464|1,126537|2) - The trills here are just as bad.
02:06:682 (126682|2) - Why on earth is this on column 3? It should be on column 2 for so many reasons (Hand balance, column density, columnstacking, pitch relevancy, layering -- wait, that's every reason.)
02:07:117 (127117|2,127117|0,127189|1,127262|3,127334|0,127406|2,127479|1,127551|3,127624|2,127696|1,127696|0,127696|3) - There is a decent drop in quality towards the end of this map. You should re-pattern this so that it's comfier; which will make it more fun and less likely to just kill FC/AAA runs at the end of songs.

Very long mod. This should not be in qualified at all in it's current state.
Mir

DDMythical wrote:

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Hello there!

It seems you have extremely pronounced concerns about the quality of this mapset!

However, the method in which you word your feedback may come across as mildly offensive to the mapper. Please consider using more reasonable language to word your suggestions, thereby helping the mapper understand your point of view!
Hydria
ok lets settle this before it goes even further

his mod isn't exactly worded in the best format possible yet however it is far from being a personal attack towards anyone here

lets just be real with this situation and treat this as you would any mod, and if it has reasonable points towards the mapset then it can be dq'd as is standard practice okay good
Blocko
Alright, this is really getting out of hand. We don't need to be aggressive to each other, so calm down and let the mapper reply to the mod that is posted. Even when it's conveyed in a way that could come off as hostile, it's not a personal attack by a long shot. Take your quarrels out of here.

Any further posts that incite any sort of flaming / drama will not be tolerated and will be dealt with accordingly. If you don't have anything constructive to post about the map, then don't post anything at all.
juankristal
To be fair I dont think the hardest difficulty is that big of a problem really. I dont know about the easier ones, dont really have the time to check them out so I will just point out here some stuff for you Spy in case you want to consider them (and sorry if DDM already pointed those ones out, I just want to give you my input on it regardless)


00:18:518 (18518|1,18614|1) - This minijack in particular worries me a little bit since you have this stack on the first column: 00:18:276 (18276|0,18421|0,18614|0) -. Main thing about this is hitting the transition just feels a bit weird. In my opinion having the jack in the other hand would just make the pattern a bit smoother but the theme of the map is already a bit of disorder so I guess its borderline fine if you really want to keep it that way.

For example on this part 00:37:068 (37068|2,37165|2) - you use the minijack in a more balanced way which is another reason for me to believe it would be better to apply the previous suggestion.

00:46:344 (46344|1,46440|1) - This one in particular is a biiit too much imo. 00:45:957 (45957|0,46102|0,46247|0,46440|0) - Having this with the triple anchor is a bit heavy for left hand and it will cause a spike that its, in my eyes, not enough to be justified by the maps theme. This plus a transition into 1/3 rythm is a bit too much.

00:57:624 (57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57769|0,57841|3,57841|1) - This pattern appears twice in the song and I believe its a problematic one as well. Of course the main reason would be this 00:57:406 (57406|3,57551|3,57696|3,57841|3,57986|3,58131|3) - anchor that is a bit too long plus doing the 13-24 split jump is overall heavy to nail considering the peace of the section. If you feel the 13-24 doubles are worth to stay then my option would be deleting this 00:57:696 (57696|3) - note. I am not too sure about moving 00:57:551 (57551|1) - this one up to 00:57:624 - here to simulate the effect of the 13-24 as the drums are the most relevant sound out of this part. There are a couple of options to apply here so you can analyze them and see what suits you better. In my opinion that pattern is probably the heavier spike of the whole map and even tho the section is intense considering those drum hits the note in the red tick just kills a bit the intensity and makes it akward to play.

The same thing applies to 02:02:479 -

01:43:566 (103566|2,103638|3,103711|2,103783|3,103928|3,104073|3,104218|3) - Not a fan of this right hand minitrill into the anchor but its not that big of a problem, feel free to make it a bit smoother as you did here 01:53:059 -


Anyways, thats my two cents. Hope it helps or at least gives you something to think about in regards to those patterns.
Akasha-
EDIT:

DDMythical wrote:

1 / 2 / 3 / 4

Map absolutely riddled with problems, no idea how this is getting past BNs.

General
Offset is about 10ms too early overall. Of course no, I checked it, I can make sure it's no problem at all
These diff names look stupid and cringy; Change them to something normal that follows the IIDX scale. (X's Normal, X's Hyper, X's Another, Leggendaria/Black Another etc. Is it wrong to be creative? Yes, it's informal according to the original difficulties name but we want something different here, but it's still follow to the song's meaning

Another
00:01:320 (1320|3,1609|3,2479|3) - Why so dense on column 4 instantly? 00:01:320 (1320|3,1609|3,2479|3) - it's all to follow the recym sound, it goes like this to me
Further more: 00:01:320 (1320|0) - this is a kick, and 00:02:334 (2334|0,2479|1,2624|2,2769|3) - are vocals

(this diff is really well made, nice layering.)
00:29:870 (29870|1,29870|0,30015|1,30015|2,30160|2,30160|3) - I dislike this transition a lot, its very easy to mess up because of the lns and feels awkward with it using both wrists for 1 chord + 3 note jacks. you could repattern this but it is ok as-is. but the pitch should go like this
00:53:493 (53493|3,53493|2) - You could really do some cool SV tricks here. that would really increase this difficulties replay value. I tried, but I don't think it's that good to keep either
Overall this is really well made! Thank you
ExNeko

DDMythical wrote:

Normal
00:01:609 (1609|3,2189|3) - Why create a random columnstack that doesn't follow the music at all? the pattern is just awkward and lopsided on the 4th column and there's no reason for it to be there. The tone has barely changed, so I think they can be in the same col
00:18:276 (18276|1,18421|0,18518|1) - Creating an awkward minitrill on the left hand here. can be re-patterned into 1,3,2,4 to be much more comfortable I think that's good. The left hand is three note and the right hand is the three note
00:24:218 (24218|2,24218|0,24508|1,24798|2,24798|0) - ??? Why did you leave the 4th column to make a random pattern here (00:24:798 (24798|0,24798|2) - Change this into a 34) This is only a temporary departure, and my overall allocation is fairly average. If you want to be specific to each paragraph to be average, Well, I don't think it's interesting.
00:25:957 (25957|2) - This should be a double, you map this sound previously to a double so there is no reason for it to be the same here. There were already many note (00:25:088 (25088|125233|225377|025522|125667|325812|0) -), and if this double was, then the difficulty would be high
00:30:305 (30305|1) - Move to 1, You leave the 1st column empty to create an awkward columnstack on 2; just move it here so that it is more comfortable and move 00:30:595 (30595|0) - to 2 to avoid another columnstack
00:38:131 (38131|1) - Would move this LN to 3 so so that it transitions comfortably. (00:38:421 (38421|2) - Move this to 2, 00:38:711 (38711|0) - Move this to 2, 00:38:856 (38856|1) - move this to 1) I don't know why you think it's more comfortable, but I think my pattens is easier. Maybe we're used to different ways, lol
00:39:001 (39001|2) - Due to the harshness of the snare, I would change this into a [34] with the hold staying on 3. You can do it, too, but I think I can do it myself, and it's not a serious problem, and also that's your way, but map it's not made by you
00:39:580 (39580|3) - Why is this bit completely different to 00:11:754 (11754|2) - when it sounds exactly the same? Yes, but not all of the same sounds should be in the same pattern, That would only make the map look boring
00:44:508 (44508|3,44653|0,44798|2,44943|1,45088|0) - This is awful to play. it rolls uncomfortably and leaves 4th column blank. would repattern into 00:44:653 (44653|0,44798|2,44943|1,45088|0) - being 1, 2, 3, 4 For the more difficult part of the back (00:45:812 (45812|346344|346440|2) -), a little rest here is necessary, After all, this is for novice difficulty
01:03:928 (63928|3,66247|3) - The notes just, disappear here. Why? The song does not stop at all, there is legit no reason why you stop putting notes down here. This is a serious error.I don't think there's really any need to catch the latter paragraph
01:14:363 (74363|2,74653|3,74798|2,75088|1,75233|0,75377|1) - what is this hand balance Is this imbalance?
01:19:001 (79001|2,79291|3,79870|3) - The synth doesn't stop here at all, there is no reason for you to stop mapping to it and suddenly follow the clap. You can still have it emphasise the vocals whilst still following the synth. Again, I don't think it's necessary here
01:29:725 (89725|1) - Move to 1 to make exiting the previous LN on 2 to be more comfortable. They are not the same tone, overlap? not good
01:30:015 (90015|0) - Move to 2 because of the above point. I don't think there's any real change
01:30:595 (90595|1) - Move to 1 because of the above point above point
01:30:885 (90885|0) - Move to 2 because of the above point above point
01:31:464 (91464|1) - Move to 1 because of the above point. above point
01:32:914 (92914|1,93493|1) - Same LN exiting 'unorthodoxness' here. (Just re-pattern it.) The tail end of the LN isn't counted as a strike point, so they won't change
01:46:537 (106537|0,106827|0) - No column stacks like this. It doesn't fit your previous patterning and makes for a not particularly good transition. As you can see, this is my map. I can change my style, and it's not a serious problem. It's just a jack. It's good to emphasize the following note
01:50:015 (110015|2,110160|1,110305|3,110450|2,110595|1,110740|3) - You completely forget about the first column here. Above point, This is only a temporary departure, and my overall allocation is fairly average. If you want to be specific to each paragraph to be average, Well, I don't think it's interesting.
01:50:740 (110740|3,111175|3) - biasing a 4th column for no reason (01:51:175 (111175|3,111319|2) - Flip these so that they're 3,4) I don't think there's anything wrong with that
01:54:073 (114073|2,114073|0,114653|2,114653|0) - Repeating chords is awkward and boring to play. above point
01:54:508 (114508|3,114653|2,114798|3) - Awkward minitrill. above point
01:55:522 (115522|3,116537|3) - Forgot about the 4th column again. (01:56:102 (116102|2) - move to 4) Above point, This is only a temporary departure, and my overall allocation is fairly average. If you want to be specific to each paragraph to be average, Well, I don't think it's interesting.
01:57:262 (117262|0,118421|0) - Forgot about the 1st column. above point
Thank you for your mod, but it's a pity that it hasn't changed.
Topic Starter
Spy

DDMythical wrote:

1 / 2 / 3 / 4

Map absolutely riddled with problems, no idea how this is getting past BNs.

General
Offset is about 10ms too early overall.
These diff names look stupid and cringy; Change them to something normal that follows the IIDX scale. (X's Normal, X's Hyper, X's Another, Leggendaria/Black Another etc. About offset, we did checked for many times, maybe it got some delays but it still fine here. At least I asked many modders and BNs to testplayed the map, and no one think offset it a problem here, also there was even a player got SS when the map in qualified state.
Then, about diff name, I disagree here, they are informal diff names, but still identifiable for know what difficulties players are playing.

Leggendaria
00:09:435 (9435|3,9580|3,9725|3) - Why the random jack? Why not? This is not jack purposely, I just did small stream between 00:09:435 (9435|0,9435|3,9435|2) - and 00:09:725 (9725|3,9725|1) - . I don't think that is a problem, you're so picky.
00:16:102 (16102|3,16102|2,16247|2,16392|2,16392|3,16537|3,16537|2,16682|3) - Incredibly awkward on the right hand for no real reason. No reason? I testplayed many times, at the first, 00:16:102 (16102|2,16102|3,16102|0,16247|2) - is same as 00:15:233 (15233|3,15233|2,15233|0,15377|2) - it is just kick with bass stuffs, and then 00:16:392 (16392|1,16392|2,16392|3,16537|2,16537|1,16537|3) - for 2 same kick. any problem here? You're still picky for jack stuff as above. Then if I move 00:16:392 (16392|2,16537|2) - to 1, no matter how I change 00:16:682 (16682|1,16682|3,16682|0) - , you'll still mention on this part, right?
00:20:305 (20305|2) - There is clearly a sound here. Yes then? Mapping is not only a way to map all sound you heard in the song. I can choose follow it or not.
00:23:928 (23928|1,23928|2,23928|3,24073|1,24146|2,24218|1,24218|3,24291|2) - ??? Awkward minitrill + random jack on column 2 + awkward minitrill on 2/3. Please re-pattern this. You know, your point makes no sense here. As I said above, you're so picky about jacks. Even if I rearrange this part here, it will got same jack issues as you mentioned, it is 4K, not 7K or 8K that I can move those notes to other columns. Besides, they don't obviously give an uncomfortable feel while playing.
00:27:986 (27986|1,28059|2,28131|1,28204|2,28276|1) - Why map these like awkward trills when you could make interesting jumpstreams out of it? Oh please, so what do you want here? :( You don't want jacks, then you don't want jumpstreams, then minitrill..blabla, I have a big problem to map if I follow your ideas. Anyway, I don't think that is a big problem here.
00:45:088 (45088|0,45667|0) - Column 1 just forgotten about for no reason. Sorry but I don't get what you mean, forgotten what? And what is the problem with these 2 notes? I didn't see something wrong here.
00:45:522 (45522|1,45595|2,45667|1) - refer to my point at 00:27:986 Refer to my response above.
00:50:160 (50160|2,50305|2,50450|2) - Whats with the random jack? How about move 00:50:160 (50160|2) - to column 2? then 00:50:160 (50160|1,50377|1,50522|1) - they are random jacks again? Come on. Please. :o
00:50:305 (50305|2,50377|1,50450|2,50522|1) - And the awkward trill? How could this be awkward for you? only 4 notes here, I don't think it is a problem.
00:50:595 (50595|0,51175|0) - Completely forgetting about column 1 when you could move one of the notes (00:50:885 (50885|1)) into column 1 and (00:50:885 (50885|3)) to column 2 and also flipping (00:51:030 (51030|2,51102|3,51175|2)) so that its 4,3,4 so that you retain a jack but also keep an even spread throughout the columns. Nope, the gap is bigger than previous parts you mentioned, why should I still have to follow similar stuffs?
00:51:175 (51175|0,51247|1,51319|0,51392|1,51537|1) - Another minitrill into unfun jack. Oh please, I don't know how many times you pointed similar parts for same reasons. I have been explained many times for, they are not jacks purposely, and only 4 notes, how can that be awkward minitrill for you?
00:52:262 (52262|3,52262|2,52334|0,52334|3,52334|1) - No. Remove these minijacks. -- you can just delete 00:52:262 (52262|3) and this pattern would be fun and still fit the song. there is no reason to sacrifice playability to follow this drumroll. ................. I have nothing to say if you're so picky for this part. Also I have no idea why nobody mentioned same stuffs when it appeared in other maps, but only this map. :o
00:52:624 (52624|0,52769|1,52914|3,53059|2) - Repattern this so that it ends on the 1; this will mean that the 1st column will be empty for a much shorter period of time and overall even out hand-balance. I should note that I have no problem with the up-coming jacks and i recommend not changing these. Nope, that makes no sense for me. Only single notes here and I still have to rearrange patterns for balance?
00:57:551 (57551|3,57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57841|3) - If you're going to throw in a burst mid-jack; Do NOT make it a onehanded trill. This is such a spike in awkwardness. I think I have repeat many times in previous responses.
01:01:754 (61754|0,61827|1,61899|0,61972|1,62117|1) - Another awkward trill into jack. .................Please. It is same case above.
01:02:044 (62044|3,62189|3) - Why make the stream start on the same hand as the double when there is an empty column 1 during most of this burst. you could make the stream start on column 1 and not only would it be more comfortable but it would also even out hand balance since this is a predominantly right-handed map. If I reverse 01:02:189 (62189|3,62262|2,62334|1) - and then you'll say awkward minijacks right?
01:11:464 (71464|3,71754|3,71899|2,72044|3,72189|2,72334|3) - Re-pattern this; It's very unfun to play. Unfun/Not fun is not a reason that I should change them.
01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1) - Columnstacking for no reason, column 3 is left empty for a while in this section, why not move 01:13:493 (73493|1) - to column 3, this would also even out hand density. Because I'm trying to make only column 4 is for clap sound. For this effect, I make column 3 empty. Is that a problem?
01:14:798 (74798|2,75088|2,75377|2) - Another column stack which isn't following the music. I don't think that is a serious issue here.
01:16:392 (76392|3,76537|2,76682|3,76827|2,76972|3) - This is still not particularly nice to play, please re-pattern this. I think I've said many times for same point enough.
01:17:551 (77551|1,77841|1,78131|1) - You copied and pasted this from 01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1) so edit out the same problems I pointed in it beforehand. So what? They are same melody, I did small copied and paste for same melody. I don't think it is a problem and I don't want to make it different for looking like messy.
01:22:189 (82189|1,82479|1,82769|1,82769|3) - You also copied and pasted this from 01:12:914 (72914|1,73204|1,73493|1). Fix the same problem. I don't want to repeat same sentence again.
01:25:812 (85812|2,85885|1,85957|2) - Please don't put random minitrills in this section; its just awkward and unfun to play and makes it feel like you squished a 7k map into 4k to make it. I said, unfun is not a reason that I should change them.
01:26:102 (86102|1,86175|0,86247|1) - ^ ^
01:26:392 (86392|2,86464|1,86537|2) - ^ ^
01:27:262 (87262|2,87334|1,87406|2) - ^ ^
01:27:551 (87551|1,87624|0,87696|1) - ^ ^
01:27:841 (87841|2,87914|3,87986|2) - ^ ^
01:29:363 (89363|0,89363|1,89435|2,89435|0,89435|3) - Remove minijack patterns like this. They're extremely un-fun. (once again, you can just delete 01:29:363 (89363|0) and it would be fun and playable with minimal changing to your mapping style.) Please check my response at 00:52:262 - .
01:34:508 (94508|1,94508|3,94580|2,94653|1,94653|3,94725|2) - If you're going to put bursts in your jacks; Don't make them one handed trills LET ALONE trills on 2-3 and 3-4!! This is just completely unbearable to play. I don't think so. You have pointed many I said I'm not making minijacks purposely, if you still want to count it in, then I think if follow your idea, this part will be more awkward than original version.
01:34:798 (94798|0,94870|1,94943|0) - Another awkward one-handed trill. Just stop being picky for such parts.
01:39:291 (99291|0,99363|1,99435|0) - ^ ^
01:39:580 (99580|1,99653|2,99725|1) - I don't feel like these are as bad when they use both hands, they are still an un-fun pattern in my opinion and I would remove them. You know it is not a reason for me that I should change them, right?
01:40:160 (100160|2) - ??? why an LN here? you didn't do this before and it doesn't seem to fit anything in the song. Vocal.
01:42:334 (102334|2,102406|1,102479|2,102624|1,102624|2,102769|2,102841|1,102914|2) - This is not particularly nice to play; please re-pattern. At least they are fine for me.
01:43:059 (103059|1,103131|2,103204|1,103348|2,103493|1,103566|2,103638|1,103711|2,103856|1,103928|2) - Oh my god it continues. Just redesign these bursts so that they're not awkward trills. Like I said above; It feels like you've squished a 7k map into 4k -- which is not particularly good
01:46:972 (106972|2,107044|3,107117|2) - Please stop these one-handed trills; they're not fun and can be patterned so much smoother. Stop mentioning unfiun in your mod for a reason to ask me to change, please.
01:47:624 (107624|1,107696|0,107769|1) - ^ ^
01:48:856 (108856|2) - Move to 2; the column is empty for a long period of time here -- you're not following pitch relevancy or any form of layering so there's no reason for columns to randomly fall empty. I prefer 3 anyway, it is obvious better than put in column 2.
01:53:059 (113059|2,113204|2,113348|2,113493|2,113638|2) - Awkward 5 note jack; remove this as it's just bad. Also it merges with trills which just makes it awful -- you should re-pattern this. No, I won't. I did many changes for this part, and this is the best pattern for me to use them here.
01:57:841 (117841|1,117914|2,117986|1) - I'll give this one a pass since it fits the music.But I will not.
02:02:479 (122479|0,122479|3,122479|1,122551|2,122624|3,122696|0,122696|2,122769|3,122769|1) - Copied and pasted from 00:57:551 (57551|3,57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57841|3) (infact this entire map is copy-pasted patterns lol); Fix the same mistakes I pointed out there. Same melody should be same patterns, or have a small changes, is that a problem? Even if it is copy pasted, but so what? I don't like to make stuff being messy.
02:02:914 (122914|3,122914|0,122914|2) - The sound here is much lighter than the clap-smashes, why not make this a double instead? you could remove the note on column 4 and that would also ease the anchor on there which is currently extremely long. Originally I use 3 notes for such sound, I just used 2 notes for 02:02:696 (122696|2,122696|0,122769|3,122769|1) - because of they are 1/4, if I keep using 3 notes, then that will be so bad.
02:05:377 (125377|3,125377|2,125377|0,125450|1,125522|2,125595|1,125595|0,125595|3,125667|2,125740|1,125812|3,125812|0,125812|2,125885|1,125957|2,126030|3,126030|0,126030|1,126102|2,126175|0,126247|3,126247|1,126247|2,126319|0,126392|2,126464|1,126537|3,126537|2,126537|0) - Why?? With all due respect; this plays like complete trash. It has trills on every column and intense anchors on 2-3 -- This NEEDS a re-pattern. I don't think so, this is a part that I discussed with BN, and we both think it is fine.
02:06:175 (126175|0,126247|1,126319|0,126392|2,126464|1,126537|2) - The trills here are just as bad. If I just make some changes here, I guess you will still say bad trill here, so I have no idea how you want it be.
02:06:682 (126682|2) - Why on earth is this on column 3? It should be on column 2 for so many reasons (Hand balance, column density, columnstacking, pitch relevancy, layering -- wait, that's every reason.) No, I think put in column 3 is much better.
02:07:117 (127117|2,127117|0,127189|1,127262|3,127334|0,127406|2,127479|1,127551|3,127624|2,127696|1,127696|0,127696|3) - There is a decent drop in quality towards the end of this map. You should re-pattern this so that it's comfier; which will make it more fun and less likely to just kill FC/AAA runs at the end of songs. I have no words to say. https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/c554A5B.jpg

Very long mod. This should not be in qualified at all in it's current state. It that based on your skill to say that? Sorry but no offense.
Alright, I don't get why you're so mad here. Besides, these mods are just shows you're dislike them so much, but it didn't give me a specific reason why they shouldn't be.
I'm not mad or exploded, but your words made me feel uncomfortable for sure. I hope you know.
In the end, your words have been hurt me for my map, and 2 BNs who checked the map.
You're not forced to enjoy the map and understand it, but you have to understand how a mapper work so hard for a map, I did testplayed many times, and asking for feedback so much. You never see it, then, follow these words in the mod, I just see lots of words like awkward, un-fun and many words that hurt me.
Also, your mod is very random to pick some parts and mention for stuffs you don't like.
I don't need an apology, buy I'm sincerely asking you for an apology to them. You should be responsible for your words.

Respect, thanks.


juankristal wrote:

To be fair I dont think the hardest difficulty is that big of a problem really. I dont know about the easier ones, dont really have the time to check them out so I will just point out here some stuff for you Spy in case you want to consider them (and sorry if DDM already pointed those ones out, I just want to give you my input on it regardless)


00:18:518 (18518|1,18614|1) - This minijack in particular worries me a little bit since you have this stack on the first column: 00:18:276 (18276|0,18421|0,18614|0) -. Main thing about this is hitting the transition just feels a bit weird. In my opinion having the jack in the other hand would just make the pattern a bit smoother but the theme of the map is already a bit of disorder so I guess its borderline fine if you really want to keep it that way.

For example on this part 00:37:068 (37068|2,37165|2) - you use the minijack in a more balanced way which is another reason for me to believe it would be better to apply the previous suggestion.

00:46:344 (46344|1,46440|1) - This one in particular is a biiit too much imo. 00:45:957 (45957|0,46102|0,46247|0,46440|0) - Having this with the triple anchor is a bit heavy for left hand and it will cause a spike that its, in my eyes, not enough to be justified by the maps theme. This plus a transition into 1/3 rythm is a bit too much.

00:57:624 (57624|2,57696|3,57769|2,57769|0,57841|3,57841|1) - This pattern appears twice in the song and I believe its a problematic one as well. Of course the main reason would be this 00:57:406 (57406|3,57551|3,57696|3,57841|3,57986|3,58131|3) - anchor that is a bit too long plus doing the 13-24 split jump is overall heavy to nail considering the peace of the section. If you feel the 13-24 doubles are worth to stay then my option would be deleting this 00:57:696 (57696|3) - note. I am not too sure about moving 00:57:551 (57551|1) - this one up to 00:57:624 - here to simulate the effect of the 13-24 as the drums are the most relevant sound out of this part. There are a couple of options to apply here so you can analyze them and see what suits you better. In my opinion that pattern is probably the heavier spike of the whole map and even tho the section is intense considering those drum hits the note in the red tick just kills a bit the intensity and makes it akward to play.

The same thing applies to 02:02:479 -

01:43:566 (103566|2,103638|3,103711|2,103783|3,103928|3,104073|3,104218|3) - Not a fan of this right hand minitrill into the anchor but its not that big of a problem, feel free to make it a bit smoother as you did here 01:53:059 -


Anyways, thats my two cents. Hope it helps or at least gives you something to think about in regards to those patterns.
Thanks for feedback, however no changes. I have my opinions, and these concerns have been discussed earlier than qualified, so I will just make a short response here.
At the first I did 00:18:421 (18421|3,18421|0,18518|2,18518|1,18614|0,18614|1) - like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8498724, while Fresh Chicken checking it, he mentioned, just as my concerned, so I followed his suggestion, change to this pattern. I did testplaying, it is definitely better than original version, also I don't think it will be a big problem after change like this. So does reversal parts. Also about the right hand parts, do you really notice there are too many notes on the right hand while playing? Or only look in editor? I have to admit it may get a little more notes on the right hand, but I think that should be fine because it doesn't affect so much while playing. When I start to mapping, I always care about balance for both hands, it is based on my playing skill to understand how it feel. My skill is not very good, but when I adjust a part to be accepted like me, based on my skill, I think people will not concern it so much. When I have any concern, I will ask players for testplaying or mappers/modders for help.
In the end, no changes for these, thanks.
DoNotMess
hello, since i also modded shana's version of brogamer, (which i forgot to mention because i was mainly focused on fixing the pattern and sv spacing) might as well point out a little snap problem here too!!
00:18:421 - the spacing here should be 3/8 instead of 1/3, as u can hear, the sound of 00:18:614 (18614|1,18614|0) - to 00:18:711 (18711|3,18711|2) - is faster than the notes before, so the snap here should be 3/8 - 3/8 - 1/4 (u can differentiate the snap with this one 00:36:972 - this is correct 1/3)
Akasha-

DoNotMess wrote:

hello, since i also modded shana's version of brogamer, might as well point out a little snap problem here too!!
00:18:421 - the spacing here should be 3/8 instead of 1/3, as u can hear, the sound of 00:18:614 (18614|1,18614|0) - to 00:18:711 (18711|3,18711|2) - is faster than the notes before, so the snap here should be 3/8 - 3/8 - 1/4 (u can differentiate the snap with this one 00:36:972 - this is correct 1/3)
It's exactly 1/3 on here, and even on though, IIDX chart go on 1/3 too
I found no reason to change snap on here
Critical_Star

DoNotMess wrote:

hello, since i also modded shana's version of brogamer, might as well point out a little snap problem here too!!
00:18:421 - the spacing here should be 3/8 instead of 1/3, as u can hear, the sound of 00:18:614 (18614|1,18614|0) - to 00:18:711 (18711|3,18711|2) - is faster than the notes before, so the snap here should be 3/8 - 3/8 - 1/4 (u can differentiate the snap with this one 00:36:972 - this is correct 1/3)
i am pretty sure it is 1/3 beats here
even if it really fall on 3/8 snap, we could use 1/3 snap to simplified it then
DoNotMess

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

DoNotMess wrote:

hello, since i also modded shana's version of brogamer, might as well point out a little snap problem here too!!
00:18:421 - the spacing here should be 3/8 instead of 1/3, as u can hear, the sound of 00:18:614 (18614|1,18614|0) - to 00:18:711 (18711|3,18711|2) - is faster than the notes before, so the snap here should be 3/8 - 3/8 - 1/4 (u can differentiate the snap with this one 00:36:972 - this is correct 1/3)
It's exactly 1/3 on here, and even on though, IIDX chart go on 1/3 too
I found no reason to change snap on here

taken from dolce liveplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHUl3TWtwyk&t=28s
IF we refer to the chart there, i think 1/3 is absurd seemingly, the last 2 notes spacing is closer than the notes before
but spy said that section i mentioned cant be snapped well in osu editor, so, might as well hear your thought about this
EDIT : if snap can be simplified, then there is no more problem to me but how would it affect snap problems in the future? i recall something like unmeiron that has tons of 1/6 -1/8 - 1/12 snaps problem and getting mentioned 1 by 1
Topic Starter
Spy

DoNotMess wrote:

hello, since i also modded shana's version of brogamer, (which i forgot to mention because i was mainly focused on fixing the pattern and sv spacing) might as well point out a little snap problem here too!!
00:18:421 - the spacing here should be 3/8 instead of 1/3, as u can hear, the sound of 00:18:614 (18614|1,18614|0) - to 00:18:711 (18711|3,18711|2) - is faster than the notes before, so the snap here should be 3/8 - 3/8 - 1/4 (u can differentiate the snap with this one 00:36:972 - this is correct 1/3)

DoNotMess wrote:


taken from dolce liveplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHUl3TWtwyk&t=28s
IF we refer to the chart there, i think 1/3 is absurd seemingly, the last 2 notes spacing is closer than the notes before
but spy said that section i mentioned cant be snapped well in osu editor, so, might as well hear your thought about this
EDIT : if snap can be simplified, then there is no more problem to me but how would it affect snap problems in the future? i recall something like unmeiron that has tons of 1/6 -1/8 - 1/12 snaps problem and getting mentioned 1 by 1
Greeting, I have checked so many times.
The snap is not 1/3 correctly, also it only delayed a bit here.
As the result, I think keep 1/3 will just be better for players to play, since the BPM is 207, I'm pretty sure keep 1/3 is better than moving the notes to something like 1/16 for only light space issues. Also I'm pretty sure it may be mp3 issue, but it is the current best mp3 I'm using.
Besides, following simple logics, there is no composer use odd stuffs like 3/8 in the song, so I disagree that snap should be 3/8 or something sounds odd.
Thanks.
DoNotMess

Spy wrote:

Greeting, I have checked so many times.
The snap is not 1/3 correctly, also it only DELAY a bit here.
As the result, I think keep 1/3 will just be better for players to play, since the BPM is 208, I'm pretty sure keep 1/3 is better than moving the notes to something like 1/16 for only light space issues. Also I'm pretty sure it may be mp3 issue, but it is the current best mp3 I'm using.
Thanks.
if it's for comfort reason, ok then, no prob for me 8-) first off, i was just intrigued with the SOUND , wihtout checking the reference from the original iidx chart itself.. but ok
Shima Rin
wtf is going on when i am on the plane
juankristal
I based myself from my first two attempts on the map and judging it on the editor. The pattern you linked there with the 3 note jack on 1/3 snaps was definetly too much indeed so good job there by FC to calling it out.

I just feel, as a player, that the things I pointed out are harder compared to the rest of the map in sections that music wise dont really sound that challenging. It feels like its just a misplacement of the notes instead of an actual challenging thought into the map. I wouldnt mind them if they are justified music wise but for me they arent really well justified or at least not enough for me.

Its certainly not anything really imposible to play but it just feels unfair instead of challening. Nonetheless good luck with it!
DDMythical
Mod response; response.

Only going to go through leggendaria for the missing notes, ghost notes and consistency problems. I'm not doing this to DQ your map or because I hate you in the slightest. I'm doing this so that the quality of this map improves; It's a fun map -- it's just got some general errors.

RESPONSES TO RESPONSES
This time I will go over your responses to problems. I will not point out errors in patterning but rather errors in consistency and hand balance.

Your response came off as really aggressive towards me as a person rather than my mod, I would not mind at all if you were aggressive at my modding style but instead you have targetted me with comments such as "It that based on your skill to say that? Sorry but no offense." and "If I just make some changes here, I guess you will still say bad trill here, so I have no idea how you want it be."

I'd like to complain about some of the reasons you deny my points. For example:

02:06:682 (126682|2) - Why on earth is this on column 3? It should be on column 2 for so many reasons (Hand balance, column density, columnstacking, pitch relevancy, layering -- wait, that's every reason.) No, I think put in column 3 is much better.

This provides no reason for why you deny my mod. Generally in a mod response you should give reasons why you deny or accept specific parts of the mod but here you have provided no counterpoints to my point.

" I don't think so, this is a part that I discussed with BN, and we both think it is fine."
The BN and you is not everyone. My problem with it is that it is not consistent. If it was just a solid trill throughout it would be fine, but towards the end it branches off into two minitrills while the song stays exactly the same (omitting a slight rise in pitch)

"No, I won't. I did many changes for this part, and this is the best pattern for me to use them here."

Just because you have changed it before doesn't mean its perfect. Here's a way you could re-pattern it that makes it retain the style of mapping (minitrills) while removing unorthodox anchors. (https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8504177) (With drawn on layering explaination: http://i.imgur.com/EFEAYdY.png -- Red is a trill, blue is a chord, Green is a special note that follows the song when it breaks from its own drum beat) [This is subjective -- In my opinion it makes more sense and is much more fun to play; Which should be ideally what you are aiming for with your maps -- the enjoyment of other players.)

"01:57:841 (117841|1,117914|2,117986|1) - I'll give this one a pass since it fits the music.But I will not."

Here I don't think you read my point, I was saying that the use of minitrills in that sense is acceptable as it follows the music (subjectively.) You have responded by saying that you don't find that part of the map ok? I think this could just be a common misunderstanding.

"I prefer 3 anyway, it is obvious better than put in column 2."

It is obviously better is not really a helpful response to this mod. I suggested it as column 2 because column 2 is largely empty for this section and I think the map would play nicer if you spread it across all columns.

"Stop mentioning unfiun in your mod for a reason to ask me to change, please."

Generally you should want your maps to be the most fun as possible so that players replay them and enjoy them having a leaderboard. With a response like this it's coming off as if you just want maps ranked so that your maps are ranked.

" I have no words to say. http://i.imgur.com/c554A5B.jpg"

Just because someone SS'd the map (RE: One of the best acc players in the world) Doesn't mean that a sudden spike in difficulty isn't going to trip up players unfairly at the end of the map.

posting throughout your mod is quite disrespectful to me when I put hours of effort into modding these maps to help you.

OBJECTIVE MOD
Nothing in here is related to your patterning or mapping style, This is just pointing out ghost notes and missing notes (along with snares being inconsistenly mapped)

00:36:464 (36464|2) - A note is missed here when following the vocals. -- You do the exact same sound correctly at 01:34:508 (94508|3,94508|1,94580|2,94653|3,94653|1,94653|0,94725|2). This is a consistency issue where two of the same sounds are mapped to different rhythms.

02:07:406 (127406|2) - A snare is mapped to a single here. There doesn't appear to be any reason when just before it a snare (and a lighter one at that) is mapped to a double (referring to 02:07:117 (127117|0,127117|2) - ) (If you want a way to integrate a snare without causing an anchor on column 4; consider doing

01:39:653 (99653|2,99725|1) - This triplet is mapped to no sound. (Ghost notes)

02:02:624 (122624|3) - This is also a ghost note.

02:06:682 (126682|2) - This isn't snapped to the right measure. (Listen on 25% or similar and you'll hear its extremely off.)
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