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Mun

Bubblun wrote:

From #modhelp requesting I mod this.

Mun's Hard

01:21:600 (1) - To better show the player this is variation you could place hitsounds on the end and the start. It'll tell them to listen to the beats on 01:22:400 (2,3) - No idea how that works, all it does is make a hitsounding inconsistency. It's perfectly readable as is.

01:28:800 (4,5,7) - Maybe soft whistle on these to bring them out better. Why? There's no reason to bring those out.

01:29:600 (1) - While this works, there's a more intuitive way to map it. You could do a more compact shape that way even if the player doesn't know to move with it, they at least know to look out for the speed in the upcoming parts. Fixed.
Thanks for modding!

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osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 31778
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: None
StackLeniency: 0.5
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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DistanceSpacing: 1.5
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Artist:sakuraburst
ArtistUnicode:【sakuraburst】
Creator:Shiirn
Version:mun's hard
Source:
Tags:mir mun plaudible anxient electronic mechanical ambient sakuraburst sample pack 5
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beaw
is anyone going to reply to my mod or
Mir

Stingy wrote:

is anyone going to reply to my mod or
Stack x 6012341234 = did something
Blanket = didn't notice problem
Cute slider = thansksfa

replied
beaw

Mir wrote:

Stingy wrote:

is anyone going to reply to my mod or
Stack x 6012341234 = did something
Blanket = didn't notice problem
Cute slider = thansksfa

replied
thanks :3
Halfslashed
[anxient's normal]
01:40:000 (1) - This slider overlaps itself in a way that makes it hard to read the path due to covering its own slider border, especially for the lowest difficulty of the mapset. I know you wanted some variation here, but I think a shape like 01:33:600 (1) - is more appropriate.
01:59:600 (2) - 02:06:000 (2) - Same issue as the above but you'd want to use a different shape.
02:20:200 (2,1) - Slider end stacks are not appropriate for this difficulty level due to the reading difficulty they add. I suggest sticking to your normal distance snap here.

[plaudible's advanced]
01:40:000 (2) - 01:41:600 (2) - Since advanced difficulties fall into the category of Normals, I'm not sure about the readability of these slider shapes. You may want to get more opinions on the rankability of these.
01:43:200 - Overall density of this section unbalances the spread due to lack of 1/1 gaps between objects and continuous chains of sliders. You'll likely need to rework the section to accommodate this, but a good place to start would be perhaps using circles on the upbeats like 01:43:600 (2) - 01:44:400 (2) - exceptions being stuff like 01:45:200 (1) - .
01:52:000 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - One 1/4 gap is already stressful enough for players at this level, 4 just seems overkill. I recommend doing a slower progression in terms of density here. Try a rhythm like this.
01:56:000 (2,3,4) - I don't changing between stack and DS was properly set up, since you didn't introduce 1/2 stacks in this difficulty. I recommend stacking all of these onto 4's position.
01:57:600 (2) - You're skipping quite a strong sound here to land on nothing. The held sound even ends at 01:58:000 - so I recommend ending this slider here.
02:02:400 (1) - I think a circle fits the snare better than a slider here - this also breaks up this long chain of 1/2.

This is both the coolest and scariest low diff I've ever modded. I recommend you get some play tests just to prove that some of your ideas actually work for this difficulty level, since slider velocity changes like this are really rare. It'd be cool to see a difficulty like this in the ranked section though, so please prove to the world that these ideas work!

[mun's hard]
01:54:800 (1) - This is so weak for an SV decrease despite this being such a prominent hold. I suggest dropping the SV here to create more contrast between this and the previous sliders.
01:58:000 (1) - An SV increase would work better here since there's a lack of contrast between this and the previous slider as is.

[mir's insane]
01:16:800 (1) - I suggest having a higher SV + circular shape to contrast with the upcoming motions at 01:17:200 (1,2) - and prepare the player for the high SV in places like 01:19:600 (1) -
01:38:800 (1) - Since when did you use elbow sliders.
01:44:400 (3,4,5,6,1) - These jumps seem fairly overkill for what you do at later parts like 01:49:200 (3,4,5,6,1) -. I recommend decreasing spacing here since these parts are similar in intensity.
01:57:600 (1) - Cute.
02:11:200 (1,2) - I think arranging sliders like this with higher SV would fit the kicks/wubs better than what you have, and also provide a nice contrast with 02:11:600 (1) -. You can handle the visuals, btw.
02:13:400 (3) - You could ctrl+g this and use it to make a triangle with 02:12:400 (1,2) -. This would result in a zigzag sort of motion rather than a curve so that the player has to go out of their way to hit this rather than along a smooth line, which fits what the wubs are doing better.

[conceptualize madness]
01:38:800 (1) - Compared to the previous sliders 01:32:400 (1) - 01:35:600 (1) - this seems like a movement difficulty spike, since the previous sliders you can play by moving in a straight line, but this one suggests that you should move in a zigzag motion. I think it would fit this section better if you use a shape that didn't deviate as much as this does from being a straight line.
01:58:000 (2) - It'd be cool if you used a straight slider or something with an otherwise shallow curve here to contrast this sound from 01:57:600 (1) -.

Nothing else to say here really. Good luck!
Mir

Halfslashed wrote:

[mir's insane]
01:16:800 (1) - I suggest having a higher SV + circular shape to contrast with the upcoming motions at 01:17:200 (1,2) - and prepare the player for the high SV in places like 01:19:600 (1) -
01:38:800 (1) - Since when did you use elbow sliders. - apparently now xD
01:44:400 (3,4,5,6,1) - These jumps seem fairly overkill for what you do at later parts like 01:49:200 (3,4,5,6,1) -. I recommend decreasing spacing here since these parts are similar in intensity.
01:57:600 (1) - Cute.
02:11:200 (1,2) - I think arranging sliders like this with higher SV would fit the kicks/wubs better than what you have, and also provide a nice contrast with 02:11:600 (1) -. You can handle the visuals, btw. - mm i quite like how it is now :x
02:13:400 (3) - You could ctrl+g this and use it to make a triangle with 02:12:400 (1,2) -. This would result in a zigzag sort of motion rather than a curve so that the player has to go out of their way to hit this rather than along a smooth line, which fits what the wubs are doing better.
Thanks!!!

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Izzywing
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[The spread]

okay so this is actually pretty interesting. While there is a gap between the normal and the advanced, I think this gap is required since the jump from the advanced to the the hard is also quite high in difficulty.

I don't think this song can realistically support much more than what is in this spread without being very forced, so I am fine with the spread as is.

[Plaudible]

This diff is a doozy, but I think it's really cool and fits what the song has to offer. I do suggest you nerf a few patterns though.

02:00:800 (1,2,1) - I think this may be too complex to land for this level of difficulty.
02:11:200 (1,2) - because of the spacing i think this is hard to read
02:13:600 (1,2,1)
02:16:800 (1,1,2) - definitely nerf this.

Basically if theres a 1/4 reverse slider in the middle of two sliders, I think that's too much for this level.

Other than that Half's mod addresses most of the issues I also had with it.

Do be sure to get at least a testplay or two from someone at the respective difficulty level, just so we can make sure some of these patterns are okay and fix ones that may be too difficult.

[Mun]

Nothing else, just my difficulty concerns are gone because the advanced is more challenging now.

Rest is fine, call me back when everything is addressed.
Topic Starter
Shiirn
also fixed minor shit related to unrankability issues like unused hitsounds and weird tag conflict that should not have existed (thanks obama) and verifying that, yes, the 1/6 sliders are snapped, and yes, my 1/16 snap slider is not actually unsnapped
Plaudible
@ bub fixed both

Halfslashed wrote:

[plaudible's advanced]
01:40:000 (2) - 01:41:600 (2) - Since advanced difficulties fall into the category of Normals, I'm not sure about the readability of these slider shapes. You may want to get more opinions on the rankability of these. made path more clear
01:43:200 - Overall density of this section unbalances the spread due to lack of 1/1 gaps between objects and continuous chains of sliders. You'll likely need to rework the section to accommodate this, but a good place to start would be perhaps using circles on the upbeats like 01:43:600 (2) - 01:44:400 (2) - exceptions being stuff like 01:45:200 (1) - . dont feel like this is necessary. the later more intense wub-y bits use a lot more 1/4 snapping and slow sv to make the gameplay a little more intense in that sense, i don't feel like this is that difficult in contrast, if anything, easier.
01:52:000 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - One 1/4 gap is already stressful enough for players at this level, 4 just seems overkill. I recommend doing a slower progression in terms of density here. Try a rhythm like this. changed
01:56:000 (2,3,4) - I don't changing between stack and DS was properly set up, since you didn't introduce 1/2 stacks in this difficulty. I recommend stacking all of these onto 4's position. just unstacked lul
01:57:600 (2) - You're skipping quite a strong sound here to land on nothing. The held sound even ends at 01:58:000 - so I recommend ending this slider here. honestly i dont feel like the change in the wub really needs to be clickable, i'd rather have it end where it is and then have the low slow wub have more emphasis since it's the next clickable object in this little section
02:02:400 (1) - I think a circle fits the snare better than a slider here - this also breaks up this long chain of 1/2. there's some 1/1 gaps already closeby, doesn't feel too necessary

This is both the coolest and scariest low diff I've ever modded. I recommend you get some play tests just to prove that some of your ideas actually work for this difficulty level, since slider velocity changes like this are really rare. It'd be cool to see a difficulty like this in the ranked section though, so please prove to the world that these ideas work! i nerfed a few to make it a little more feasible so hopefully it isn't as radically difficult as before :)

Hobbes2 wrote:

[Plaudible]

This diff is a doozy, but I think it's really cool and fits what the song has to offer. I do suggest you nerf a few patterns though.

02:00:800 (1,2,1) - I think this may be too complex to land for this level of difficulty. kk
02:11:200 (1,2) - because of the spacing i think this is hard to read changed
02:13:600 (1,2,1) kk
02:16:800 (1,1,2) - definitely nerf this. kk

Basically if theres a 1/4 reverse slider in the middle of two sliders, I think that's too much for this level.

Other than that Half's mod addresses most of the issues I also had with it.

Do be sure to get at least a testplay or two from someone at the respective difficulty level, just so we can make sure some of these patterns are okay and fix ones that may be too difficult. deskadiddly done and they didnt have any particular troubles reading it, since it follows pretty consistent spacing representation, just playing on some sv gimmicks
ty gois <3
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417,144,116400,2,0,P|352:181|280:140,1,148.75,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
269,117,117200,6,0,P|259:149|262:193,1,68,4|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
244,268,117600,2,0,B|299:267|299:267|326:272|326:272|354:259|354:259|383:267|383:267|445:267,1,204,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
502,209,118400,6,0,P|514:164|508:137,1,63.75,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
491,109,118800,6,0,B|404:100,1,68,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
357,58,119200,2,0,B|270:66,1,68,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
234,124,119600,6,0,P|168:138|128:116,1,106.25,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
113,87,120200,5,0,0:0:0:0:
43,127,120400,2,0,P|39:162|43:181,1,42.5,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
62,247,120800,6,0,B|96:229|96:229|147:231,1,68,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
205,245,121200,2,0,L|239:241,3,34,0|0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
278,256,121600,6,0,B|303:225|303:225|305:175,1,68,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
391,180,122000,6,0,B|375:136|375:136|327:110,1,85,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
356,34,122400,6,0,P|329:34|298:43,1,42.5,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
260,106,122800,1,0,0:0:0:0:
184,68,123000,2,0,P|173:117|199:168,1,106.25,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
234,190,123600,6,0,P|239:219|232:246,1,42.5
173,283,124000,6,0,B|240:277|240:277|244:279|244:279|248:276|248:276|308:271|308:271|315:228|342:201|388:197,1,238,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
414,201,124800,6,0,P|421:164|411:137,1,63.75
387,106,125200,1,4,0:0:0:0:
248,18,125600,6,0,L|255:92,1,68,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,156,126000,2,0,P|161:176|110:160,1,106.25,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
90,136,126600,5,0,0:0:0:0:
72,59,126800,2,0,L|76:8,2,42.5,0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
8,117,127400,1,4,0:0:0:0:
29,197,127600,2,0,L|31:230,3,21.25,2|2|2|2,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
59,255,128000,6,0,B|99:278|135:260|135:260|139:256|139:256|147:256|147:256|151:253|151:253|188:231|236:263,1,170,0|8,0:0|0:2,0:0:0:0:
329,344,129200,2,0,B|353:337|386:345|386:345|408:329|408:329|442:342|480:328,1,148.75,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
503,303,130000,6,0,L|506:231,1,68,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
508,149,130400,2,0,B|452:144|452:144|425:136|425:136|396:147|396:147|368:136|368:136|306:131,1,204,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
242,175,131200,6,0,L|213:171,3,21.25,0|0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
276,204,131600,2,0,P|280:252|275:269,1,68,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
219,339,132000,2,0,P|186:346|153:341,1,68,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
67,344,132400,2,0,P|82:297|54:241,1,106.25,4|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
20,224,133000,5,0,0:0:0:0:
0,141,133200,2,0,P|-2:117|0:93,1,42.5,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
50,35,133600,6,0,B|79:56|79:56|121:51,1,68,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
191,39,134000,2,0,L|225:43,3,34,0|0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
264,28,134400,6,0,B|289:59|289:59|291:109,1,68,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
377,104,134800,6,0,B|361:148|361:148|313:174,1,85,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
342,250,135200,6,0,P|315:250|284:241,1,42.5,8|0,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
246,178,135600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
172,221,135800,2,0,P|161:172|186:117,1,106.25
227,95,136400,6,0,P|263:94|283:103,1,42.5
328,155,136800,6,0,B|391:160|391:160|401:158|401:158|412:162|412:162|447:163|447:163|481:204|447:262,1,204,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
429,323,137600,6,0,L|394:326,3,21.25
361,312,138000,2,0,P|332:316|309:309,1,42.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
249,277,138400,1,8,0:0:0:0:
156,349,138800,2,0,B|160:301|160:301|167:292|167:292|173:231,1,106.25,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
176,205,139400,5,0,0:0:0:0:
237,153,139600,2,0,P|270:152|291:160,1,42.5,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
330,216,140000,1,8,0:0:0:0:
406,187,140200,6,0,B|409:150|409:150|398:129|401:104,1,68
398,114,140800,1,0,2:0:0:0:
Izzywing
https://pastebin.com/6Ai2mxLT

^log of our small converstaion, tl;dr plaudible is incompetent
Plaudible
stop being bully ur incompetenter smh
Izzywing
A legend, a tale, a story to tell,
of Shiirn, his maps, of evil to fell,
An age old answer to an age old question,
"Can Shiirn get any of his maps ranked?"
Topic Starter
Shiirn
yes
Einja
bset poem
Chewin
why did you add sakuraburst also in the tags?
Topic Starter
Shiirn
"sakuraburst sample pack 5" is technically the album name.
Izzywing

Shiirn wrote:

"sakuraburst sample pack 5" is technically the album name.
whoops, missed this. its redundant because if you search sakuraburst it'll show up anyway because its in the title. fix before qualy i guess
Topic Starter
Shiirn
BUT IF IT'S JUST "SAMPLE PACK 5" IT DOESN'T QUITE HAVE THE SAME COMEDIC IMPACT, who cares if its redundant

i was 100% aware of this btw
Nozhomi
Did I missed something or Anxient never replied to mods and diff seems not even updated from eventual changes ?
nice bg name

[anxient's normal :]
  1. Answer mods
  2. Like Hobbes2 asked, I wonder why there's so much DS variations from that point 02:04:000 - , because I kinda get the system you used for 01:28:000 - this part, but this one have no real sense.
  3. 01:30:400 (1,2) - Also I would avoid that for readability and be safe with new players.
[plaudible's advanced :]
  1. 01:53:600 (1) - Unsnaped, also make it stop at 01:53:800 - to keep it with one reverse and not making it inconsistent for a player of that lvl.
  2. 01:54:000 (1) - This extended have no reason to be. You have an obvious drumbeat on 01:54:200 - who deserve to be clickable, also it would make this section a bit less dense and make the player having a small break after the reverses.
[mun's hard :]
  1. 01:18:000 (3,1) - Is there a reason why this DS is lower than other when other similar stuff have an equal spacing ? (like 01:20:800 (3,4,1) - )
  2. 02:01:200 (2) - Make that reverse arrow more visible pls (example : https://puu.sh/xwgni/163acec874.png ).
[mir's insane]
  1. 02:07:400 (2,1) - I would have nerf a bit this one to make the gap a bit more like 02:07:200 (1,2) - (the minimum I ask if you really can't is to stack 02:07:600 (1) - with end of 02:07:000 (3) - ).
[conceptualize madness :]
  1. 01:23:500 - Did you forget to lower volume here ? The volume is definitly too loud here. Same for 01:29:900 - / 01:33:100 - / etc....
  2. 01:43:200 - Imo the 1212 don't work because the spacing shouldn't increase that much, music intensity don't grow like that, and also because you can feel a small change at 01:44:400 - who kill the point of doing that pattern.

Mukyu~
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Nozhomi wrote:

Did I missed something or Anxient never replied to mods and diff seems not even updated from eventual changes ?
nice bg name

[anxient's normal :]
  1. Answer mods im lazy as fuck to respond for him, and halfy's mod was declined in general
  2. Like Hobbes2 asked, I wonder why there's so much DS variations from that point 02:04:000 - , because I kinda get the system you used for 01:28:000 - this part, but this one have no real sense. imo it's fine more due to the fact that each noise is independent - there's no real rhythm and stuff to it and players will need to use approach circles anyway
  3. 01:30:400 (1,2) - Also I would avoid that for readability and be safe with new players. sure
[plaudible's advanced :]
  1. 01:53:600 (1) - Unsnaped, also make it stop at 01:53:800 - to keep it with one reverse and not making it inconsistent for a player of that lvl. fixed unsnap but really don't see the point of maintaining 1-repeat since this leads into a different slider and its not like it'd really be confusing
  2. 01:54:000 (1) - This extended have no reason to be. You have an obvious drumbeat on 01:54:200 - who deserve to be clickable, also it would make this section a bit less dense and make the player having a small break after the reverses. There's the vocal-ish hold pattern that he's using instead of the drums. I think this is actually really cool. and the drumbeats are not obvious nor demanding to be clicked.
[mun's hard :]
  1. 01:18:000 (3,1) - Is there a reason why this DS is lower than other when other similar stuff have an equal spacing ? (like 01:20:800 (3,4,1) - ) sure fix sure
  2. 02:01:200 (2) - Make that reverse arrow more visible pls (example : https://puu.sh/xwgni/163acec874.png ).sure fix sure
[mir's insane]
  1. 02:07:400 (2,1) - I would have nerf a bit this one to make the gap a bit more like 02:07:200 (1,2) - (the minimum I ask if you really can't is to stack 02:07:600 (1) - with end of 02:07:000 (3) - ). nerfed just a smidge
[conceptualize madness :]
  1. 01:23:500 - Did you forget to lower volume here ? The volume is definitly too loud here. Same for 01:29:900 - / 01:33:100 - / etc.... 1:23:500 fixed but the others are intentionally hitsounded for emphasis on them being longer
  2. 01:43:200 - Imo the 1212 don't work because the spacing shouldn't increase that much, music intensity don't grow like that, and also because you can feel a small change at 01:44:400 - who kill the point of doing that pattern. I don't really know what you're pointing at that 3 for - the musical pattern is a clear 1234123412(growl), and this pattern is intentionally absurdly basic and simple straight back-and-forths to contrast the higher density and more rotation nature of the following patterns

Mukyu~ ugu
Nozhomi
Oki back~
Be careful about how you answer mods for your GDers next time tho.
Topic Starter
Shiirn
yes mom
Mun
sure fix sure
Izzywing
Play all the diffs
Shovan
Maybe i'm not up to date on this but i always thought youd have to map something like 80% of the mp3 file, but this one only has 1:04 drain on a 2:20 song so less than 50% mapped right? thought that was against the rc?

anyway it's an awesome map. top diff is hilarious. thanks shiirn :-3
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