Lite Show Magic - TRICKL4SH 220

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lcfc

Frey wrote:

LCFC's INS4NE


only one question, 00:19:833 (1,1,1) - 00:20:924 (1,1,1) - 00:24:197 (1,1,1) - 00:27:469 (1,1,1) - 01:14:378 (1,1,1) - I suggest you use only one combo color instead of new combo abuse. it's so tricky that ppl might regard them as if they have individual slider velocity. I understand your concern about the NC spam but if you notice carefully I only used them for objects that have 1/4 space in the timeline instead of 1/2. I spammed NCs to them to distinguish their rhythms. The first ones might not be that of an issue, as they overlap, but if we take 00:27:469 (1,1,1) - for example the player could read them as the other sliders that have 1/2 space in the timeline. tl;dr the NC spam is only there to warn the player that the rhythm changes.
I will also add up that the player shouldn't expect an SV change there due to the nature of the diff and its AR. In this level (and, thanks to the AR), they will be able to indentify that the sliders have the same shape / length fast enough.

Thank you!
ts8zs
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offset 185
卧槽这么多摸offset还是错的?

[Terror]
话说这么大个SDVX你用得到在cw提醒?
00:54:197 - 低级错误 check aimod
00:33:605 (2,2) - 想不到换方向的理由
[Drop]
00:07:833 (1) - add a reverse and move 00:08:106 (2) - to 00:08:242 - ?
01:31:287 (1,2,3,4,5) - in a line is better?
01:35:719 (4) - overmaped?
[toybot]
looks so boring how about AR9.2
00:48:606 (1,2) - make this have a distance to 00:48:333 (2) - and 00:49:015 (1) -
[LCFC]
I think this diff have a little nc spam as insane like 01:01:287 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) -
but I don't care about it.lets have fun!
00:29:787 (1) - NC as 00:27:674 (1) -
[H4RD]
00:05:106 (3,4) - Ins4ne? 看了一下全体难度这个note怕是石乐志
00:56:378 (1,2) - make 1 copy from 2
01:01:697 (2) - NC
01:49:697 (2) - NC
[G.G]
try to fix sliders like 00:00:742 (2) -
00:22:560 (3) -
Nothing to say,1/2 stream is enough.
[NeoSL]
00:55:833 (2,1) - try to blanket 1's end better
01:18:742 (1,2) - looks like you donno know to using copy.
01:27:469 (1) - remove 3rd point http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898518
[E4SY]
01:01:969 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898522
01:03:469 (1,1) - 对于HRHDDT过于恶意 换成滑条也好删掉也好
01:13:287 (3,1) - 这摆的也太随意了
01:16:560 (1) - 曲度包2不够
01:36:197 - 用3/2折返滑条
lcfc
NC added from ts8zs's mod and removed some other NCs that didn't have any real purpose. The usage for NCs should be smoother now!

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Topic Starter
Regou

ts8zs wrote:

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offset 185
卧槽这么多摸offset还是错的?改過來了

[Terror]
话说这么大个SDVX你用得到在cw提醒?
00:54:197 - 低级错误 check aimod 好,改了
00:33:605 (2,2) - 想不到换方向的理由 這樣比較好打啊

[H4RD]
00:05:106 (3,4) - Ins4ne? 看了一下全体难度这个note怕是石乐志 這是(簡化的)insane啊,有問題嗎?
00:56:378 (1,2) - make 1 copy from 2
01:01:697 (2) - NC 不,我前面對稱的時候都沒有下
01:49:697 (2) - NC 這個也不用

[E4SY]
01:01:969 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898522
01:03:469 (1,1) - 对于HRHDDT过于恶意 换成滑条也好删掉也好 不開mod能玩就好了啊
01:13:287 (3,1) - 这摆的也太随意了 稍微改了下
01:16:560 (1) - 曲度包2不够 好改了
01:36:197 - 用3/2折返滑条 聽著覺得不合適,還是算了
謝摸

To gders: I've updated the timing so please update before you make any changes!! thank you
Affirmation
00:17:651 (1,2) - make these anti parallel or same angle just looks strange imowell....I didn't intend parallel?
01:08:924 (3,4) - i dont like how this looks. wouldn't overlap hereDoesn't matter
00:34:015 (3) - Fix the curves?No?
00:37:287 (1,2) - The music slowed down but the sliders are still kind of fast for that partdoesn't matter
00:49:833 (3) - You ca bearly see that the line isn't straight. Make it a bit more clearer?I don't like perfectly parallel
01:17:651 (3,1,2) - These are the same sliders but 01:17:651 (3,1) - looks different. maybe copy/paste?well....No/
01:22:015 (2,2) - Not sure about this overlapk
01:41:515 (3,1) - ^this doesn't matter,
01:44:924 (1,2) - This movements is pretty straight for "my" tastewell....I feel good
01:47:106 (1,2) - Maybe a blanket would work here?No
00:19:833 (1,2) - You should blanket them, or you should put (2) somewhere where we wouldn't think about blankets (if you understand)blanket is not major issue and I didn't intend blanket.
01:09:197 (4,1,2) - It breaks a bit the flow, the movements is kind of broken (it's a bit sad since you don't really break the flow a lot)no.
01:10:287 (2,3) - Having two weirdly-shaped sliders near themselves isn't consistent since you don't really have those sliders a lot in the diff. I think you should change 01:10:287 (2) - 's shape, since the song doesn't really justify a weird shape here.No
01:11:106 (3,1) - You should blanket (or move it somewhere else if you don't want to blanket, exemple : http://puu.sh/wsB0u.jpg here no one would think about blankets, so it's better for visuals)No
01:19:833 (3,1) - Having two exact same sliders for different patterns of the song is not recommended.I don't have any idea bout that.
01:22:015 (2,2) - This overlap is a bit ugly, and you can see it while playing so it'd be better to fix.
01:36:197 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern would look really messy for a beginner I think, so you could make 01:37:287 (3,4) - one slider to fix this for exemple.No
01:47:106 (1,2) - Same thing about blankets hereNo
01:10:287 (2) - this slider is not safe, because based on RC in low levels such as Easy or Normal, a slider's head or tail can not touch the slide itself (overlap itself). which means you have to make the track of the slider more clear to distinguish by new players.I think all players can read this,
01:13:015 - seems that you missed beat, cuz you mapped a smiliar 01:14:106 (3) -I don't want to add beat in here, but will think about that.
01:22:015 (2,2) - change the slider a bit so we can avoid the overlap?
01:24:197 (1) - yeah, it's not safe as above, better to change it like this^
00:55:833 (2,1) - try to blanket 1's end better
01:18:742 (1,2) - looks like you donno know to using copy.whaqt are you saying about
01:27:469 (1) - remove 3rd point http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8898518Is it matter?

Thanks for mod to all!

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IntellectualBoy
try to fix sliders like 00:00:742 (2) -
00:22:560 (3) - it's enough good. i don't think the problem this slider shape.
[ Drop ]

Frey wrote:

  • Drop's EXTR4
    1. 01:22:560 (1) - ...just convert it to stream directly, trust me you missed some awesome beats.
okay XD
[ Drop ]

ts8zs wrote:

[Drop]
00:07:833 (1) - add a reverse and move 00:08:106 (2) - to 00:08:242 - ?
01:31:287 (1,2,3,4,5) - in a line is better?
01:35:719 (4) - overmaped?
all fixed
thanks!
osu file format v14

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[A L P H A]
why there arent 0's in o's and why terror isnt t3rr0r
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Hey, from my queue!

[E4SY]
  1. 00:40:821 (2,1) - I can notice a very slight overlap with the track of (1) and the head of (2). It's very minor, but it wouldn't be too hard to change either.
  2. 01:29:639 (1) - This slider is overlapped rather heavily by the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation and it could pose as a reading issue for new players, so I would move it down a bit.
  3. 01:44:912 (1,2) - Double check the slider trail on these two notes. If you line then up, then you'll notice that they're not entirely parallel. It's minor, but it's easier to notice considering that it's an easy difficulty.
  4. 01:49:275 (1) - This slider ignores a series of very strong beats, which doesn't represent the music well. I would try a shape like this. Here, each red anchor is on a strong sound within the music, so I think it would suit the music better.


[NeoSL'S NORM4L]
  1. 00:32:912 (1,2) - This part of the song could be expressed with identical cursor movements to go with the repetitiveness of the music here. To do this, I would either have two straight sliders going down in the same direction, or I would curve (2) so that the cursor forms a circle whilst moving. This part of the song is quite prominent and noticeable, so I definitely don't think it should be ignored.
  2. 01:13:003 You should add a note here, as it's a bit off-putting to skip a beat in this important song build-up. It's also a bit inconsistent, as a similar sound is emphasised at 01:14:094 (3) - and 01:17:094 (2) - .


[G.G's 4DV4NCED]
  1. 00:08:912 (1,2) - I'm not too big on these overlapping blankets, imo they don't look nice and if the player uses transparent/translucent hitcircles then it's really easy to see flaws in the blanket when they are this close together (for me, it looks like this). While it might not be too much of an issue for these using the default skin, I think you should still take this into account and change them. You've only done this three times in the beginning of the map, so it'll also be more consistent pattern wise.
  2. 00:54:185 (2) - You should make this a 1/1 non-repeating slider. This is to put more emphasis on the new sound introduced in the music. Also, because the music is different here my suggestion would help the map express this fact by making the sliders different as well. Same suggestion applies for 01:02:912 (2) - .


[H4RD]
  1. 00:32:912 (1,1,1,1) - Not a fan of all the NCs here. Having all the sliders facing the same direction and having equal spacing emphasis is fine for this part of the song, you don't need to emphasise it more with NCs because it's inconsistent (this kind of comboing isn't seen anywhere else in the diff) and it'll make the HP slightly more strict than it needs to be.
  2. 01:37:275 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern will be very hard to read because the order of the notes is different to the pattern introduced at 00:53:775 (1,2,3,4) - , meaning that players will probably botch the order by hitting (4) early. The stack and back-and-forth definitely doesn't help either. An easy fix would be to ctrl+g (3,4), which will ease readability greatly.


[LCFC's INS4NE]
  1. 00:08:912 (1) - Why are two incredibly important sounds being skipped here? (00:09:321 - and 00:09:730 -). The rhythm feels incredibly weird if you consider that the repeat and end of this slider land on nothing, whilst the important sounds are being completely skipped. Extend this slider by 1/2 of a beat for a much better rhythm. Same suggestion applies to 00:11:094 (1) - and 00:13:275 (1) - .
  2. 00:17:639 (1) - Change these sliders so that they end on a red tick, it'll be nicer to play since the rhythm is much clearer. This applies to every 1/8 slider in this segment of the map. Just extend them to the 1/2.
  3. I'm not even sure that the 1/8 in the beginning of the map is even intentional, seems like a bug with the .osu or something went wrong with an sv change. Because after 00:21:730 (1) - the rhythm gets a lot better.
  4. 01:27:594 (2) - Missing clap? It's inconsistent considering that a clap was at 01:28:275 (5) - as well, so I would add one here to be consistent.


[toybot's 4NOTHER]
  1. 00:14:639 (2) - I feel like the end of this slider could definitely use some more emphasis. Maybe you could try a simple rhythm like this but position them differently so that the changes in the music are expressed. Or you could do a rhythm like this and express the strong sound using a circle.


[Drop's EXTR4]
  1. 00:02:775 (2,3) - Make this stack consistent with the stacks at 00:00:594 (2,3) - and 00:03:457 (5,1) - . It'll throw players off and I don't see a reason why the spacing on this stack should be any different to the ones before and after.
  2. 00:41:639 (1,2,3) - You can make this pattern look nicer if you moved (2) to x:477 y:254 and (3) to x:441 y:336. This way there is a noticeable symmetry and the player will easily be able to see the parallel lines formed by (1) and (2). Same suggestion applies to 00:42:730 (1,2,3,4) - .
  3. 01:11:503 (4) - I'd make this note a lot louder. While I do understand the effect you were going for (silencing the note to put emphasis on the vocal), this is a decision that I don't agree with because hitsounds serve the purpose of providing the player feedback; without them then the player will struggle to hit the notes accurately. I would at least make the hitsound here louder, i.e. have the note at 30% volume instead of 5%, because this'll still allow you to achieve the effect you were going for without hindering the player's experience.
  4. 01:44:912 (1) - I would move the third anchor point to x:342 y:140 so that it blankets 01:45:321 (1) - , making it look nicer. (It'll look something like this)


[4VEN4'S ULTR4]
  1. In the set, GD'er names don't have numbers substituted for letters, so you should probably change this to be more consistent. It'll also be clearer to players who the GD'er is if you change it.
  2. 00:28:003 (1,2) - Not a fan of this sliders aesthetic, this kind of pattern is quite out of place as it's the only time you've used a slider-end overlap like this. Perhaps you could move (2) so that it overlaps the head of (1) instead. That way the cursor doesn't have to move out of the slider area when hitting the circle; whilst still maintaining a consistent aesthetic.
  3. 00:50:025 - You should map the 1/4 here. The sound is very audible, so you should do this in order to represent the music in the best way. I also think it's good because it'll help the repetition effect by having it end at the correct place dictated by the music, meaning it'll seem less forced. Same applies for 00:58:753 - and 01:29:298 - .
  4. 01:10:548 (6,7,8,9) - You should make this pattern flow in a similar way to 01:06:185 (6,7,8,9) - because firstly, the music in these two segments is roughly the same. Secondly, the flow in this pattern isn't good because the two sets of sliders mislead each other, meaning the transition from (7) to (8) will play choppy.


[TERROR]
  1. Shouldn't the difficulty name be "T3RR0R"? You mentioned the difficulty name like this in the difficulty description so I'm not too sure whether or not this inconsistency is intentional.
  2. 01:01:275 (1,2) - I am not fond of this rhythm because the music easily justifies having a hold sound, but instead you chose to use two circles, with the latter being on a really weak sound. A rhythm I would suggest would be to replace (1) with a 1/2 slider and delete (2), which would fit the music better because it continues mapping to the main melody without switching to some obscure instrument in the background, making it more faithful to the music that way.


Nice map, I like the slider art in Terror and the general theme of the mapset. Good luck with this ~
Avena

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[4VEN4'S ULTR4]
  1. In the set, GD'er names don't have numbers substituted for letters, so you should probably change this to be more consistent. It'll also be clearer to players who the GD'er is if you change it.
  2. 00:28:003 (1,2) - Not a fan of this sliders aesthetic, this kind of pattern is quite out of place as it's the only time you've used a slider-end overlap like this. Perhaps you could move (2) so that it overlaps the head of (1) instead. That way the cursor doesn't have to move out of the slider area when hitting the circle; whilst still maintaining a consistent aesthetic.
  3. 00:50:025 - You should map the 1/4 here. The sound is very audible, so you should do this in order to represent the music in the best way. I also think it's good because it'll help the repetition effect by having it end at the correct place dictated by the music, meaning it'll seem less forced. Same applies for 00:58:753 - and 01:29:298 - .
  4. 01:10:548 (6,7,8,9) - You should make this pattern flow in a similar way to 01:06:185 (6,7,8,9) - because firstly, the music in these two segments is roughly the same. Secondly, the flow in this pattern isn't good because the two sets of sliders mislead each other, meaning the transition from (7) to (8) will play choppy.
1. I'll ask Regou to fix it
2. It's honestly just fine? I tried what you suggested and it felt wrong.
3. I am following the melody, the beat you suggested is a small hi-hat in the background which isn't even that dominant
4. It plays super nice, and thanks to slider leniency there isn't such a big difference.
lcfc
Apparently the vast majority of my diff's objects got unknowingly unsnapped. I or Regou will fix it soon, thank you!
Topic Starter
Regou

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Hey, from my queue!

[E4SY]
  1. 00:40:821 (2,1) - I can notice a very slight overlap with the track of (1) and the head of (2). It's very minor, but it wouldn't be too hard to change either. fixed
  2. 01:29:639 (1) - This slider is overlapped rather heavily by the default skin's healthbar, which is poor presentation and it could pose as a reading issue for new players, so I would move it down a bit. alright
  3. 01:44:912 (1,2) - Double check the slider trail on these two notes. If you line then up, then you'll notice that they're not entirely parallel. It's minor, but it's easier to notice considering that it's an easy difficulty.fixed
  4. 01:49:275 (1) - This slider ignores a series of very strong beats, which doesn't represent the music well. I would try a shape like this. Here, each red anchor is on a strong sound within the music, so I think it would suit the music better. ok


[H4RD]
  1. 00:32:912 (1,1,1,1) - Not a fan of all the NCs here. Having all the sliders facing the same direction and having equal spacing emphasis is fine for this part of the song, you don't need to emphasise it more with NCs because it's inconsistent (this kind of comboing isn't seen anywhere else in the diff) and it'll make the HP slightly more strict than it needs to be. obviously I did it for aesthetics reason (tho it still kinda make sense as the beat is super strong here). I'll keep this one for now.
  2. 01:37:275 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern will be very hard to read because the order of the notes is different to the pattern introduced at 00:53:775 (1,2,3,4) - , meaning that players will probably botch the order by hitting (4) early. The stack and back-and-forth definitely doesn't help either. An easy fix would be to ctrl+g (3,4), which will ease readability greatly. overlapping (4) and (5) doesn't make pretty much sense to me here as it breaks the flow while it's nowhere supported by the music imo. I added a NC here instead.


[TERROR]
  1. Shouldn't the difficulty name be "T3RR0R"? You mentioned the difficulty name like this in the difficulty description so I'm not too sure whether or not this inconsistency is intentional. I tried to apply E=3 and O=0 to other diffnames and it looks very weird so I just keep the diffname as "TERROR".
  2. 01:01:275 (1,2) - I am not fond of this rhythm because the music easily justifies having a hold sound, but instead you chose to use two circles, with the latter being on a really weak sound. A rhythm I would suggest would be to replace (1) with a 1/2 slider and delete (2), which would fit the music better because it continues mapping to the main melody without switching to some obscure instrument in the background, making it more faithful to the music that way. sound is even weaker on 01:01:412 - while I hear a relatively stronger snap on 01:01:548 (2) - so I think I would prefer keeping as it is right now.


Nice map, I like the slider art in Terror and the general theme of the mapset. Good luck with this ~ Thanks! :3
Changed ultra's diff name and snapped notes for LCFC as well (osu update is always creating more bugs gg)
IntellectualBoy

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Hey, from my queue!


[G.G's 4DV4NCED]
  1. 00:08:912 (1,2) - I'm not too big on these overlapping blankets, imo they don't look nice and if the player uses transparent/translucent hitcircles then it's really easy to see flaws in the blanket when they are this close together (for me, it looks like this). While it might not be too much of an issue for these using the default skin, I think you should still take this into account and change them. You've only done this three times in the beginning of the map, so it'll also be more consistent pattern wise. Okay. i will the other move to patterns.
  2. 00:54:185 (2) - You should make this a 1/1 non-repeating slider. This is to put more emphasis on the new sound introduced in the music. Also, because the music is different here my suggestion would help the map express this fact by making the sliders different as well. Same suggestion applies for 01:02:912 (2) - . it's not. because 00:54:312 - 00:54:457 this point to hear electrionic piano sounds.
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toybot
well theres a shit ton of mods so i'd rather not write a reply for all of them, but i fixed a lot. pm if you want to know why i mapped it like i did :d
thanks! https://0paste.com/15343.txt
Affirmation

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[NeoSL'S NORM4L]
  1. 00:32:912 (1,2) - This part of the song could be expressed with identical cursor movements to go with the repetitiveness of the music here. To do this, I would either have two straight sliders going down in the same direction, or I would curve (2) so that the cursor forms a circle whilst moving. This part of the song is quite prominent and noticeable, so I definitely don't think it should be ignored.I think this pattern looks not bad.
  2. 01:13:003 You should add a note here, as it's a bit off-putting to skip a beat in this important song build-up. It's also a bit inconsistent, as a similar sound is emphasised at 01:14:094 (3) - and 01:17:094 (2) - .
Thanks :D

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329,109,89639,6,0,L|341:209,1,100,6|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
242,225,90185,2,0,L|230:325,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
137,285,90730,2,0,L|149:185,2,100,4|14|4,1:0|1:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
56,344,91548,1,12,1:0:0:0:
43,245,91821,6,0,L|60:96,1,150,6|6,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
142,37,92503,1,6,1:0:0:0:
216,104,92775,2,0,L|316:116,1,100,6|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
217,229,93457,2,0,L|117:241,1,100,6|14,1:2|1:3,0:0:0:0:
176,322,94003,6,0,L|276:310,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
369,351,94548,2,0,L|357:251,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
398,158,95094,2,0,L|298:170,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
205,129,95639,2,0,L|217:229,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
149,302,96185,6,0,L|193:362,2,75,4|12|4,1:0|1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
130,254,96730,2,0,P|82:267|38:246,1,100,4|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
102,169,97275,2,0,L|95:119,1,50,4|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
99,69,97548,2,0,L|106:19,2,50,4|4|4,1:0|1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
199,64,98094,1,14,1:0:0:0:
254,147,98366,6,0,P|304:154|348:133,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
446,108,98912,2,0,P|439:157|460:201,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
485,299,99457,2,0,P|435:292|391:313,1,100,4|12,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
294,338,100003,2,0,P|300:288|279:244,1,100,4|14,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
183,214,100548,6,0,P|110:225|49:184,1,150,6|6,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
132,128,101230,1,6,1:0:0:0:
97,33,101503,2,0,P|147:28|192:47,1,100,2|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
298,154,102185,2,0,P|347:158|392:139,1,100,2|6,1:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
391,38,102730,6,0,P|318:31|252:65,2,150,4|4|4,1:0|1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
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199,170,104366,2,0,P|218:215|213:264,1,100,8|2,1:0|1:2,0:0:0:0:
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426,349,105730,2,0,P|401:280|438:218,1,150,4|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
391,76,106548,2,0,P|346:94|298:83,1,100,4|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
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302,203,108730,2,0,L|298:302,1,100,8|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
389,344,109275,6,0,L|394:194,1,150,4|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
339,110,109957,1,4,1:0:0:0:
302,203,110230,2,0,L|300:252,1,50,4|4,1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
MaridiuS
Hello, i'm here to mod.

[TERROR]
Map looks sweet, however, similar to my previous mod on one of your maps, it also has a few inconsistencies relating to difficulty of similar parts in the song too large for me to look over. Adding to that there could be some emphasis issues and some seemingly way too uncomfy patterns.
  1. 00:21:321 (5,1) - I admit that the movement feels nice here, but the jump is cross screen, while at it, it seems like it is the biggest one in the map lol. It's usage on a not so important note is what is disturbing me a bit. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452027 By placing it similar to this the jump will have the same movement, except it now makes sense with the song by not being cross screen. Of course further pattern adjustment is up to you.
  2. 00:26:912 (1,2,1,2) - Another example of where the jumps feel fairly nice, but comparing it to any other part in the map on the same sounds, it is way too different and harder to land. 00:29:094 (1,2,3) - This is an example where you went 1/4 sliders and less spacing for some reason on same sounds. 00:31:412 (2,3) - An example on where you made a very passive pattern on the same sounds you did much more difficult patterning. Generally my advise is to find a hotspot on what patterning difficulty is the best for all those similar sounds in the song I mentioned and map all according to that difficulty. When going freely with patterning it is always advised to keep the difficulty of them similar, not doing that doesn't feel like it correlates to the song. If you intend on redoing the patterns, keep in mind that they should be easier than 00:32:912 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since it is the most intense part of the section, and deserves its own difficulty to be higher than the other examples.
  3. 00:46:821 (1,2,1) - Dunno how much you care about movement/flow on not so hard parts but these angles are what players generally dislike. This pattern 00:59:912 (1,2,1) - has a sharp jump to (1) which other's of the same sound don't have, and should be reworked in correlation the others. The others seem to all have those wide angles, just in case you want to please some players you might consider doing sharp jumps ;p. I don't recall anyone hating sharp jumps except extreme pp map haters, but this ain't a pp map.
  4. 00:50:639 (2,1) - Comparing this jump to any counterpart you could see that it much larger and adding to that a bit uncomfortable. The inconsistency is too large, and should be adjusted in correlation to other patterns like 00:46:275 (2,1,2,3) - or 00:55:003 (2,1,2,3) -
  5. 00:59:094 (1,2) - Hmm doesn't look appealing because the overlap is inconsistent (the blanket or w/e), not perfect, and generally overlapping whole slider with a really low amount where their lines collide is generally consider bad looking idk.
  6. 01:18:935 (1,2,1,2,1) - The patterning here is way too unconventional. The player is forced to break their momentum many times while being forced after that to move extremely fast on the sliders. Generally for extremely fast SV's you should most usually consider the flow to be circular or linear, especially if the spacing between the sliders is big. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452185 in my example I did some more pleasant flow. When you're about to go fast, it is usually done with a previous momentum, not with one artificially made. Today 2 testplays, players gave up on following the sliders fully(3digits).
  7. 01:23:912 (1,2,3) - I'm sorry but there don't seem to be any intense sounds on all of these 3 notes (just 2), so a very spaced triangle doesn't correlate to the song in any way I can understand.
  8. 01:30:185 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern reminds of a very usual pattern where a circle next to two kicksliders is placed really close to them. However in this case, the two circles are ctrl+g'd and is too much against usual mapping conventions for this pattern to be likeable lol. Generally, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454454 by doing something like this it should be much more enjoyable to play, in its current state the movement feels too artificial and hard. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454462 This also fits probably even better, but you'll have to readjust the subsequent patterns a bit more.
  9. 01:36:185 (1,2,3) - The composer imo seems to have intended a reducement in intensity here, since other than the rhythm not being that fast anymore, the background noise is tuned down. Putting a little stop to the intensity should, other than fit the song better, make further patterns that much enjoyable. I advise SV of 1.5x to 2x.



[Aven4]
On this difficulty I am generally a bit against a few rhythm choices. At times choices between going circles or sliders seems arbitrarily done without much relation to the song. It looked like you were going for patterning ideas in mind, dismissing the song as nothing is happening differently on several occasions.
  1. 00:18:185 (3,1,2) - First comparison that comes to mind is this. The song has constant synth sound on the red tick like 00:18:048 - and 00:18:594 - , but there are exceptions in the song, when the red tick 00:18:321 - has an additional vocal. Generally you'd want to acute some more distinct sounds in a section in order to make a better relation to the song. By actively mapping most vocals on red ticks like 00:18:321 - 00:18:866 - 00:19:412 - you will differentiate them from the other red ticks that have the constant synth going meaning it will better relate to the song. Now going back to the example, in order to understand better what I mean is to turn 00:18:185 (3) - into two circles, resulting in the red tick vocal being mapped, and change 00:18:457 (1) - into a slider, since the red tick is more fitting to be a sliderend because it has nothing important to it. 00:23:094 (1,1) - Some more examples of where you could make the sliderend actively mapped. Of course if you agree, this section might need a remap..
  2. 00:19:821 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing on these seems to be too large in comparison to the rest of the section since its in 1/4. 00:24:185 (1,2,3,4,5) - especially goes for this one, the spacing is bigger than the default choice of 1/2 spacing on the section.
  3. 00:46:275 (2,3) - In the rest of the section you tend to use bigger jumps and not so direct flow for this particular pattern where a 1/4 slider goes into a 1/2 one.
  4. 01:03:594 (2) - Comparing it to 01:04:139 (5) - it is fairly quiet and doesn't contain the deep bass + synth that that the other one has. Yet it is mapped identically. Ideally you'll want to make the weaker note a sliderend or give it lower spacing.
  5. 01:04:548 (1,2,3) - The vocals going faster compared to the previous pattern in this section suggests that the map should complement that with more circles and harder difficulty. By making all of these into circles every red tick with vocals will be filled, which is the way to go imo since it will be more intense to better follow the intensity of the song.
  6. 01:05:094 (3,5) - The synth (guitar?!?) notes appearing here are also fast going in 1/2 intervals, yet in the map it is all filled up with sliders without any particular change in the map to complement those additional sounds. Ideally if you follow my previous suggestions, and if you decide on turning these into circles, they should be differentiated as they're a different sound layer, so doing stacks or low spacing on these sounds would be the way to go.
  7. 01:05:912 (4,5) - Don't understand at all why this jump is large compared to anything else in the section.
  8. 01:07:821 - 01:10:003 - This interval contains similarly mapped notes, so all suggestions that I've said on this section are meant for this too.
  9. 01:10:139 (2,3,4,5) - Uhm them having different spacing emphasis than 01:05:639 (1,2,3,4,5) - doesn't seem to make sense at all when they're identical sounds.
  10. 01:12:185 (1,2,3) - Another example where a random note that isn't vocals or any particular synth / drum on the red tick is mapped same like one that has more intensity in the song to it 01:12:866 (5) - .
  11. 01:13:275 (1,2,3) - Similar issue I have pointed out recently where the vocals are going faster but the rhythm in the map is slowing down with slider usage.
  12. 01:14:094 (5,6) - Giving such huge notice to this particular synth sound makes me further put into question your dismissing of it on previous patterns like 01:09:730 (5) - .
  13. 01:24:185 (1) - Okay so let's try to analyze this. Let's say that the scream HZ is about 255 since its human maximumim... Calculating on this bpm 32 notes on 1/8 will happen in 1 second. 1/16 is 64, 1/32 is 128, 1/64 is 256. So that means in order to make this fit the song you'll have to multiply the bpm by 4x and snap on 1/16. Good luck on that. Tldr it's a good idea to use a slider or a spinner instead since following vocal pitch in HZ is not how much osu! has developed yet.
  14. 01:25:685 (3,4,5,6) - Like I've mentioned 00:46:275 (2,3)
  15. Okay let me try to rationalize on why the spacing is a bit overspaced in the chorus. 00:49:139 (8,1) - 01:28:411 (8,1) - browsing the map a bit, I've found these as examples of drum emphasis on a note after a circle. This is a single note emphasis, therefore it is generally more acceptable to be big. While in this section, every jump is bigger than that emphasis even though its like all jumps. So by comparing a bit, I think that I've found the most acceptable spacing for the jump section https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9455107 , that way it would make more sense with the rest of the map. However it gets a little more problematic 01:35:094 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - when you increase the intensity of the map, even though the song doesn't seem to have any louder 1/2 or a pitch increasing in the background. The spacing becomes incomparable to the rest on this spacing distance.
  16. 01:39:458 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Another argument that may compel you to not increase of spacing in the first part of the kiai is that this, what I linked, has no increasment in spacing compared to its counterpart in the first part.
  17. 01:39:935 - pretty sure the 3stack should be here and not 01:39:798 (4) -


Depending on the replies and results of my mod on these two maps, I will consider going for nomination, will however checkback on my own accord. Also Toybot difficulty also seems like it has some rhythm issues, but as I said, I'll be first awaiting replies. Checked the others diffs, and there doesn't seem anything of much significance as these two posts.
Topic Starter
Regou

MaridiuS wrote:

Hello, i'm here to mod.

[TERROR]
Map looks sweet, however, similar to my previous mod on one of your maps, it also has a few inconsistencies relating to difficulty of similar parts in the song too large for me to look over. Adding to that there could be some emphasis issues and some seemingly way too uncomfy patterns.
  1. 00:21:321 (5,1) - I admit that the movement feels nice here, but the jump is cross screen, while at it, it seems like it is the biggest one in the map lol. It's usage on a not so important note is what is disturbing me a bit. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452027 By placing it similar to this the jump will have the same movement, except it now makes sense with the song by not being cross screen. Of course further pattern adjustment is up to you.
    Nerfed the spacing by a lot should be better now lol

  2. 00:26:912 (1,2,1,2) - Another example of where the jumps feel fairly nice, but comparing it to any other part in the map on the same sounds, it is way too different and harder to land. 00:29:094 (1,2,3) - This is an example where you went 1/4 sliders and less spacing for some reason on same sounds. 00:31:412 (2,3) - An example on where you made a very passive pattern on the same sounds you did much more difficult patterning. Generally my advise is to find a hotspot on what patterning difficulty is the best for all those similar sounds in the song I mentioned and map all according to that difficulty. When going freely with patterning it is always advised to keep the difficulty of them similar, not doing that doesn't feel like it correlates to the song. If you intend on redoing the patterns, keep in mind that they should be easier than 00:32:912 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since it is the most intense part of the section, and deserves its own difficulty to be higher than the other examples.
    I mainly want to focus on vocal so I'll keep this pattern, though, I nerfed the spacing here as well.

  3. 00:46:821 (1,2,1) - Dunno how much you care about movement/flow on not so hard parts but these angles are what players generally dislike. This pattern 00:59:912 (1,2,1) - has a sharp jump to (1) which other's of the same sound don't have, and should be reworked in correlation the others. The others seem to all have those wide angles, just in case you want to please some players you might consider doing sharp jumps ;p. I don't recall anyone hating sharp jumps except extreme pp map haters, but this ain't a pp map.
    I ctrl+g ed the second slider now the pattern should give a comfortable wide angle flow now

  4. 00:50:639 (2,1) - Comparing this jump to any counterpart you could see that it much larger and adding to that a bit uncomfortable. The inconsistency is too large, and should be adjusted in correlation to other patterns like 00:46:275 (2,1,2,3) - or 00:55:003 (2,1,2,3) -
    they now have similar spacing :3

  5. 00:59:094 (1,2) - Hmm doesn't look appealing because the overlap is inconsistent (the blanket or w/e), not perfect, and generally overlapping whole slider with a really low amount where their lines collide is generally consider bad looking idk.
    I increased the overlapping here should look better now

  6. 01:18:935 (1,2,1,2,1) - The patterning here is way too unconventional. The player is forced to break their momentum many times while being forced after that to move extremely fast on the sliders. Generally for extremely fast SV's you should most usually consider the flow to be circular or linear, especially if the spacing between the sliders is big. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9452185 in my example I did some more pleasant flow. When you're about to go fast, it is usually done with a previous momentum, not with one artificially made. Today 2 testplays, players gave up on following the sliders fully(3digits).
    I think the vocal here would kind of support artificial momentum as vocal is repeating here. I understand this pattern is very tricky especially for tablet players, but personally I still prefer current pattern as the movement required would be drastic if I making more changes in jump angle here it would be less straight forward (change of angle is way too sudden so players, at least for me, will not to able to sense it immediately). It's very hard to follow the slider shape completely under high SV but you'd still be able to get a 300 here by making a more linear movement.

  7. 01:23:912 (1,2,3) - I'm sorry but there don't seem to be any intense sounds on all of these 3 notes (just 2), so a very spaced triangle doesn't correlate to the song in any way I can understand.
    I did that to emphasize the screaming at (3) jumps at here will build up the momentum to emphasize (3).

  8. 01:30:185 (1,2,1,2) - This pattern reminds of a very usual pattern where a circle next to two kicksliders is placed really close to them. However in this case, the two circles are ctrl+g'd and is too much against usual mapping conventions for this pattern to be likeable lol. Generally, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454454 by doing something like this it should be much more enjoyable to play, in its current state the movement feels too artificial and hard. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9454462 This also fits probably even better, but you'll have to readjust the subsequent patterns a bit more.
    sure!

  9. 01:36:185 (1,2,3) - The composer imo seems to have intended a reducement in intensity here, since other than the rhythm not being that fast anymore, the background noise is tuned down. Putting a little stop to the intensity should, other than fit the song better, make further patterns that much enjoyable. I advise SV of 1.5x to 2x. Bass still give very strong impact here so I'd prefer using high SV. Yet, I reduced the SV to 2.5x so as to make the pattern more comfortable to play.


Depending on the replies and results of my mod on these two maps, I will consider going for nomination, will however checkback on my own accord. Also Toybot difficulty also seems like it has some rhythm issues, but as I said, I'll be first awaiting replies. Checked the others diffs, and there doesn't seem anything of much significance as these two posts.
Thanks for modding!!
DeRandom Otaku
Finally a proper map for this song tbh
[General]
  1. http://puu.sh/ydR4c/29c6ec3ed8.png

[Easy]
  1. 00:50:094 - 00:58:821 - 01:29:366 - Try adding a circle on these spots or atleast extend the previous sliders to blue ticks. The rhythm will still be fine and won't get too dense. Adding a circle would really make more sense since the sound on beats like 00:58:003 - continuous till 00:58:821 -

[NeoSL]
  1. 00:47:639 (3) - This is the only spot where you did a 1/2 repeat slider while at other places like 00:52:003 (3) - these got a 1/1 slider only so yea maybe change 00:47:639 (3) - to a 1/1 as well, Firstly for consistency ,secondly because 1/2 sounds pretty unnecessary

[G.G]
  1. 00:52:548 (1) - 1/2 is extremely unnecessary here. just try to do a 1/1 slider instead because with the current rhythm you are emphasizing 00:52:685 - which makes the sounds on 00:52:957 - 00:53:230 - feel less drastic even tho they are much more emphasized
  2. 00:53:775 (1,2) - The sounds that are supported by 00:54:185 (2) - are seriously not as much strong as the sounds 00:53:775 (1) - this is supporting. Having both with same rhythm, same slider shape and having them next to each other is what makes it problematic to me. Atleast try to map them in a way so that the contrast between the different sounds is more reasonable
  3. Same things repeat throughout the difficulty

[Hard]
  1. 00:08:503 (1) - Could be a bit misleading as its a hard difficulty because the slider ends on the upward direction while the next circle is below it

[toybot]
  1. 00:29:912 - I get that you are trying to follow the kicks here but the rhythm ,the way you made it, sounds a bit weird. Theres a clear sound on 00:29:912 - which you shouldn't ignore, if you don't want to give it much emphasis you can simply add a reverse to 00:29:639 (1) - and that will solve the problem

[Drop]
  1. 01:06:185 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - You made this whole pattern so hard and followed the wubs really nicely ,The wubs at 01:07:275 - 01:07:412 - 01:07:548 - 01:07:548 - Are even more intense than what all the previous ones so yea i really suggest you do something more intense than just a 1/2 slider.
    Suddenly changing the instrument from wubs to those sounds at 01:07:275 - 01:07:548 - felt kind of weird
  2. 01:11:503 - 01:12:048 (8) - Why are these notes muted lol
  3. 01:22:548 (1,2) - Comparing these two, theres a big difference between what both sliders follow, yet they are next to each other and are mapped in a similar way. 01:22:548 (1) - You can definitely change this into a 1/4 repeat slider for a better contrast
  4. 01:35:707 (4) - There is no audible sound on this beat and giving it as much emphasis as 01:35:503 (1,2,3) - is just bad because giving 4 equal emphasis to the first three circles makes them loose their emphasis really badly. The way you executed this at 01:40:207 (4) - is better though

[Avena]
  1. 01:39:798 (4) - The sound is actually at 01:39:935 - not at 01:39:798 -
  2. 01:44:639 (1) - Probably remove this nc since you didn't NC this one in other cases

[Terror]
  1. 00:30:457 (1) - Try ctrl'g on this because that would make a much better movement through these notes
  2. 01:38:094 (3) - Unsnapped
  3. 01:37:412 (1,1,1,1) - Unnecessary NC spam tbh

You can call me back if the things i mentioned in advanced are fixed and if maridius doesn't bubble
Topic Starter
Regou
Fixed all for my diff!! also fixed tags etc on lcfc's diff
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