Amaikai wrote:

Hard map to find faults or even improvements at. hopefully that's because its good and not because its a mess

Best apple

06:01:258 (3) - I feel like entirely focusing on 1/1 rhythm here would work better because the normal rhythm on 06:01:258 (3) - is present on every white tick 06:00:823 (1) - 06:01:693 (4) - 06:02:128 (6) - but it's only followed there. sure
If you do change above, 06:01:258 (3) - finish and 06:01:476 (4) - clap.

06:02:128 (6) - Remove hitfinish from sliderend it messes up with finish,clap alternating rhythm. y

Having whistle+clap here 06:01:910 (6) - and 06:02:345 (8) - sounds bit overdone to my ears, maybe just clap?y

From my queue, mod ended up being short so no kds if not helpful.

Mykaterasu wrote:

Hey! I'm from over here!

Hitsounds

1. soft-hitclap3 has some sort of in filter which isn't really advised since it doesn't give a strong and immediate response upon hitting which can be justified as unrankable in the criteria. I don't think it's unrankable, to be honest. Most of these sounds I've gotten from ranked mapsets, and at some cases (I don't really remember if this particular one it's one of them) they've been collected from LordRaika's sets. He's one of the most reputed hitsounders out there, so I don't think there will be serious issues with them. I'd like to keep until I receive more negative feedback on this, since I think it fits really well.

Limbo

1. 00:43:704 (4,5,6,7) - I don't think a stack of this speed is appropriate for this difficulty rating, especially since we never see this pattern again. Well, it's more a rhythm issue than an spacing issue, IMO. The jump is the same as 00:48:215 (3,4) - and infact it should be easier to play since we both have a precedent in the same combo and also 5 flows to 6 with way more ease. We also do see similar patterns at 00:49:954 (3,4,5) - 00:51:693 (3,4,5) - It's the same concept, but the rhythm is noticeably different on the drums, so I have to note+slider instead of 2 1/2's like at these.
   
2. 01:03:215 (8,9,1) - This kinda pattern is very unorthodox when compared to what you've done before. Aesthetically it would mean that 8 and 9 are to be grouped together, then 1 is something different. This doesn't really convey the emphasis on 9 very well. Similar things happen to the curved triples e.g. 01:06:693 (8,9,1) - here because instead of looking like a curve, it looks like a line formed by 2 circles, then a slider head that doesn't lie on said line. If you're going to make it so that these don't stack, I think it would make a lot more sense to only apply one idea to make the themes congruent in the section instead of acting like individual outliers. There are many spacing or aesthetic choices that could be really good here. Something like this where 8 and 9 are ctrl+g'd will be a choice that would allow you to keep the kind of aesthetic you've chosen. I really like that solution, but I think it's a bit to much to space a stream like that in a set of this difficulty. I'll bring the streams in line with 00:59:737 (8,9,1) - to make those not seem so special, I guess. I want to break from stacking both to break boredom for the player and to differentiate between the sounds of 00:58:215 (1,2,3) - and 00:59:737 (8,9,1) -
   
3. 01:11:910 (5) - I don't think it's generally acceptable to have hitsounds that play longer than the duration of the object that they're emphasising (not including reverb). It carries over the bar too. I'll hold on changing this until more feedback is placed. I get why it could be an issue, but it really fits.
   
4. 02:19:302 (6,8) - I fear these reverse sliders are too short. The arrow is completely under the head, which hasn't been well prepared since the spacing is so similar to 02:18:650 (3) - that the body is almost hidden by it. While I agree, I think having a repeating slider is wiser here than a 1/6th stream for the difficulty this is aiming at. I've only used one on the whole song and it was because intensity and rhythm didn't really admit anything else tbh.
   I can't prepare the player since we have no 1/6 rhythms I could build up from, and no matter how I put these, they will still be short.
   
5. 00:55:171 (3,4,5) - or 03:42:563 (6,7,8) - You have to be careful with segments with flow like this, because this is probably the hardest part of this 4* diff. I don't believe it should appear so leisurely other than to really emphasise the highest intensity phrases in the piece. In this case, I think flow like this would be much better suited to the last kiai. When it's one-directional it's a lot harder than when it's non-linear e.g; 00:53:432 (3,4,5) - is pretty easy because the sharp change in movement accents the off-beat rhythm where the last note of the synth ends I agree these are probably one of the hardest parts.
   00:55:171 (3,4,5) - is a linear circular flow though, even if it's a bit widely spaced intensity really allows it IMO. 03:42:563 (6,7,8) - specially, both because of vocals and because of the background rhythm really deserved a pattern like that for intensity. I'll have a look and try to tone down some, but I'm going to mostly keep these as they are.
   
6. 04:54:302 (1,1) - This 3/4 slider is moderately deceptive and prone to slider breaks because it matches the prospective length of a 1/2 slider when referred to 04:52:128 (1,2,3,4) - the last rhythmically significant sliders. This problem is only compounded because it's a straight slider, so design-wise it seems like a normal 1/2 slider. All of your other 3/4 sliders have been a lot longer and easily identifiable, so giving this slider a special shape and bumping up the SV a tad should do wonders. Sure, not much I can do shape-wise 'cause of the low SV tho
   
7. 05:08:215 (1,2,3,4) - I recommend you drop the volume of the sliderends to something like 20%, it does wonders since there isn't actually any 1/8 rhythm here. Makes things a lot cleaner. sure, why not

As far as storyboards go, I recommend blowing up a bar.png, black fading that to make the blackscreen fadeout effect, since your spectrum isn't fading with the background, which is kinda weird.

Good luck with the map~

Akareh wrote:

Time Capsule wrote:

do you really want me to mod this?
I mean isn't it too painfull to sber when I just do like "ctrl+g" and you approve it lol

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I mean... If you have input that can improve the map I want to hear it if possible lol. If it's a shit map I want to know why and fix it

Even if it's control+g this and blanket that if it helps and improves the map, why not?

I'm nowhere near approving this tho, I can't find BNs. Mod this if you want to

Time Capsule wrote:

do you really want me to mod this?
I mean isn't it too painfull to sber when I just do like "ctrl+g" and you approve it lol

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Akareh wrote:

Mykaterasu wrote:

00:43:704 (4,5,6,7) - I don't think a stack of this speed is appropriate for this difficulty rating, especially since we never see this pattern again. Well, it's more a rhythm issue than an spacing issue, IMO. The jump is the same as 00:48:215 (3,4) - and infact it should be easier to play since we both have a precedent in the same combo and also 5 flows to 6 with way more ease. We also do see similar patterns at 00:49:954 (3,4,5) - 00:51:693 (3,4,5) - It's the same concept, but the rhythm is noticeably different on the drums, so I have to note+slider instead of 2 1/2's like at these.

Rhyth-wise that's cool, but I think you chose the wrong objects.

If you still want to keep that 1/8 triplet for that part I suggest making those 3x sliders hitcircles instead 00:42:563 (1,2,3) - so the burst afterwards becomes easier to read and to hit as well. Triplets stacked right after a sliderend, especially if they are burst ones are not comfortable and really stand out in this case for the reason mentioned above.

Either that, or completely remove the 1/8 triplet and use a rhythm like this one:

Arduck wrote:

I think you misinterpreted this guy's comment. He was mentioning the 1/8 triplet 00:43:704 (4,5,6) - which is the reason I came here in the first place.

About that being appropriate or not, that's subjective but the point he made afterwards is what I completely agree with.

Mykaterasu wrote:

especially since we never see this pattern again

Rhyth-wise that's cool, but I think you chose the wrong objects.

If you still want to keep that 1/8 triplet for that part I suggest making those 3x sliders hitcircles instead 00:42:563 (1,2,3) - so the burst afterwards becomes easier to read and to hit as well. Triplets stacked right after a sliderend, especially if they are burst ones are not comfortable and really stand out in this case for the reason mentioned above.

Either that, or completely remove the 1/8 triplet and use a rhythm like this one:


Randomly found out about this mapset, gave it a try and wanted to share my thoughts.

You've done a pretty good job tbh, really nice song choice as well!

Bad Apple!! and all of it's remixes bring back memories since the original was one of the first songs besides the default ones that really got me into this game ;D
It would be nice to get one more Bad Apple!! song into the ranked section.

Go for it!

Good luck ;3

Arduck wrote:

Akareh wrote:

Okay, I've changed the 1/8 stream to a standard-ish 1/4 stream instead, which should be easier to play and pose no problems.
I'm not happy with it, because now that part sounds really empty, but I can get the reasoning so I'll cope.

You don't have to make changes that you don't agree with and I'm with you on that one, ignoring the 1/8 part isn't a good choice either.

That's why I'll give you an example for the pattern that I had in mind that doesn't ignore this rhythm and it doesn't go against your mapping logic.

Simply add this .osu file as a new diff on this mapset's folder and check out 00:43:432 (3,4,5,6) -

Suggestion

1. 01:59:519 (2) - this stuff is repeated a lot, but this last one feels a bit more important than the others, so what do you think of using circles instead?
   If you listen, 01:53:867 - 01:55:606 - 01:57:345 - all these start the same rhythm 3 times, but 01:59:084 - starts a similar rhythm which is slightly different,
   that's why it would be nice to change 01:59:519 (2) - in some way to make it stand out
2. 02:06:476 (2,3,4,5,6) - first, I find consistency important in a map, so you should try to make something similar to 01:59:084 (1,2,3) - (since they are similar).
   Second, I wanted to see if you liked something like... this. The reason for that is for the sound on 02:06:910 (4,5) - compared to the sound on 02:07:345 (6,7) - .
   02:06:910 (4,5) - seem rather stale, while 02:07:345 (6,7) - start pumping up the song, so ye... more movement on stuff that needs intensity, less movement on stuff that doesn't need it
3. 02:51:041 (8,9,1) - seeing what you usually did with this rhythm, making 02:51:041 (8,9) - a slider and 02:51:258 (1) - into a couple of circles looks and plays better: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9416563
4. 03:04:954 (8,9,1) - probably same ^
5. 03:57:997 (5,1) - if ever, having a NC on the start of the stream looks cleaner imo. If not, you can even remove 03:58:215 (1) - as NC since it's part of the same rhythm as the rest of the stream
6. 05:39:519 (6,7) - highly personal, but stacked they feel better // 05:46:476 (6,7) - obviously same for all the others if you agree

MrSergio wrote:

All touhou games end with a dot (.) character, which is missing in your source right now woops, fixed

[Limbo]

1. 01:59:519 (2) - this stuff is repeated a lot, but this last one feels a bit more important than the others, so what do you think of using circles instead?
   If you listen, 01:53:867 - 01:55:606 - 01:57:345 - all these start the same rhythm 3 times, but 01:59:084 - starts a similar rhythm which is slightly different,
   that's why it would be nice to change 01:59:519 (2) - in some way to make it stand out hmm, I noticed it but figured I'd rather try and be consistent than changing it, let's see how it goes, sure
2. 02:06:476 (2,3,4,5,6) - first, I find consistency important in a map, so you should try to make something similar to 01:59:084 (1,2,3) - (since they are similar). I'd prefer to keep this as is, if possible, since I feel that part has so much power compared to 01:59:084. I mean, it introduces the build up and the change of rhythm, I think it's not too far-fetched to give it some more emphasis.
   Second, I wanted to see if you liked something like... this. The reason for that is for the sound on 02:06:910 (4,5) - compared to the sound on 02:07:345 (6,7) - .
   02:06:910 (4,5) - seem rather stale, while 02:07:345 (6,7) - start pumping up the song, so ye... more movement on stuff that needs intensity, less movement on stuff that doesn't need it Your suggestion is nice, if I can't keep ^ as it is I'll probably change those to something like that, yeah
3. 02:51:041 (8,9,1) - seeing what you usually did with this rhythm, making 02:51:041 (8,9) - a slider and 02:51:258 (1) - into a couple of circles looks and plays better: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9416563 yep, sure
4. 03:04:954 (8,9,1) - probably same ^ yep
5. 03:57:997 (5,1) - if ever, having a NC on the start of the stream looks cleaner imo. If not, you can even remove 03:58:215 (1) - as NC since it's part of the same rhythm as the rest of the stream sure, I'll start NC earlier
6. 05:39:519 (6,7) - highly personal, but stacked they feel better // 05:46:476 (6,7) - obviously same for all the others if you agree I'd prefer to keep the movement in these, tbh.

cool

MrSergio wrote:

All touhou games end with a dot (.) character, which is missing in your source right now

[Storyboard]
As far as I could observe, you have 3 main effects + lyrics in the whole map. What you did was basically starting up each effect and letting it go on and on till the end of the map. While the effects themselves are not bad, their continuous usage feels kinda unfitting at times.
Examples of this is for example your spectrum running at all times, even during breaks; you also have the entire map being highlighted with that glow effect.

My suggestion is to use these things sparingly, since they would add much more effect that way through contrast with parts that don't have such effects:
for example, the highlighting glow effect on each note can be done during really calm parts only:
- from start till 00:16:476 - is a good section;
- 00:37:345 - 00:44:302 -
- 00:56:476 - 01:26:041 - to add extra effect to kiai
and so on... Just make sure you don't use it everywhere, otherwise it's kinda pointless imo. Using too much something becomes boring

As for the spectrum: as you did from 00:37:345 - 01:26:041 - is cool (maybe cut it at 01:24:302 - instead since it looks like a good point where the song becomes way calmer). The same would be nice for the other kiais too.
The concept is similar: don't use that spectrum everywhere, but cut it during really calm parts. Start it again when some strong kick kicks in:
- 02:07:780 - 02:20:823 -
- 02:35:606 - 03:15:497 -
and so on...

Overall simple but nice SB, just try to not make it too boring tho

Akareh wrote:

nomico is bae
nhato is daddy

thank you!