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DragonForce - Astral Empire

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Bibbity Bill
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Bibbity Bill
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:04:20 PM

Artist: DragonForce
Title: Astral Empire
Tags: reaching into infinity power metal english rsi deathstream speed
BPM: 222
Filesize: 10595kb
Play Time: 05:19
Difficulties Available:
  1. Legend (8.54 stars, 2595 notes)
Download: DragonForce - Astral Empire
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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10th map

For loved

redownload september 3rd added custom hitsounds
redownload march 23rd new mp3

bg source

can anyone pass this lol


passes before loved (as far as i know)

Wakson 9 miss 97% acc wtf

1st pass: WindowLife: screenshot replay .osu .mp3
2nd pass: Nyandonus: screenshot replay .osu .mp3
3rd pass: Diallo: screenshot replay .osu .mp3
4th pass: Unknown Anon screenshot replay .osu .mp3
5th pass: egemenbsrms screenshot replay .osu .mp3
6th pass: HaruTachi- screenshot replay .osu .mp3
7th pass: VsevolodVolkov screenshot replay .osu
8th pass: -Trinity- screenshot replay .osu
9th pass: Wakson screenshot replay .osu


special thanks:
Weeb Ass for timing this map
Last edited by Bibbity Bill , edited 120 times in total.
Condyle
24 posts
Joined December 2014
Condyle
04:05:299 (13,14,15,16) - Fix this
Bibbity Bill
65 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Bibbity Bill

09simp wrote:

04:05:299 (13,14,15,16) - Fix this
yea i'm working on it, i mostly put random notes past 04:00:201 - just to have the general idea of the streams on how i wanted them to look they arn't asesthetically pleasing just yet but it will be fixed soon.
PoNo
504 posts
Joined July 2014
PoNo
gud this is hard
Bibbity Bill
65 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Bibbity Bill

Ponoyoshi wrote:

gud this is hard
yea hard is for the better :D
fieryrage
osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II
1,402 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
yo a friend asked me to mod this so I'm just gonna give my quick thoughts

  • for timing: is ridiculously off basically everywhere in the map, the section of the map is basically completely untimed and needlessly complicated, the entire beginning should just be a 224 bpm point at 289-290 offset

    02:21:742 (1) - this part should just be 109 bpm until 02:39:363 (1) - here where it turns into 108, the other timing points, while helping the guitar riff 02:23:962 (1,2,1,2) - here are still roughly snapped to 109 bpm so it doesn't cause much of an issue taking these out anyways

    the buildup before the guitar solo 03:19:362 (1) - here is 218 bpm constant, so 03:21:584 (1) - this timing point isn't needed

    as for the guitar solo, 03:23:765 (1) - should just be 224 bpm, the solo isn't a sporadic bpm and 03:26:969 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - these are just roughly 1/6 snappings at 224 bpm lol

    basically all of this timing was taken just at a glance from an already-existing mapset of the same song from a well-known mapper, so take it as you will, but basically my point is the beginning and the solo are 100% off-timed and should be fixed; the 108-109 bpm section doesn't really matter too much imo, I think it's fine as it is personally but it's better to keep it simple rather than all over the place

    for tags: "7th seventh album" is unnecessary, no one is going to be arsed to search up "dragonforce seventh album" to find a song from the seventh album, also who the hell is going to know this song came from the seventh album unless you literally are the biggest fan of DragonForce known to mankind; tags like powermetal and speedmetal should be there for the genre, though

    as for the rest of the map, just glancing over it:
  1. 00:05:420 (7,8,1) - not really sure what you're trying to follow here, are you trying to follow guitar or drums? if the former then the slider should start on the white tick instead of where it is right now; if it's the latter then why ignore the downbeat? the rhythm you chose, while covering all the instruments the song is offering (for the most part) makes it really confusing to both play and just look at from a modding perspective, since you're basically emphasizing two different things in one pattern
  2. 00:07:686 (1,2,3) - rhythm choice here is heavily discouraged from a playability perspective, you should basically never have kicksliders on blue ticks unless it's a special rhythm (this isn't one), a standard 4 note stream filling these kicksliders does the job more than well enough, not to mention the spacing between 00:07:686 (1,2) - and 00:08:020 (3,4) - make the gap between 3 and 4 seem shorter than it actually is
  3. 00:13:153 (1) - this stream would be fine if you were following the drums before the stream started, but 00:12:086 (1,2,3,4,5) - this objectively follows the guitar; playability-wise this is fine, but rhythm consistency is really important and it would make a lot more sense to emphasize the guitar pitch changes here since it's the main instrument, which means 00:13:423 (5,5) - these two should be 4-streams with different spacing
  4. 00:15:582 (2) - vocals are the most potent instrument here so it'd make more sense to emphasize those over the drums in the background here, no?
  5. 00:19:332 (1) - this slowdown is pretty unnecessary imo, even then it'd probably be better to just have this be a 1/1 gap with circles so the emphasis on the downbeat isn't lost plus having the gap 00:19:332 (1,1) - here is really stupid considering the guitar is playing during that gap lol)
  6. 00:23:886 (1) - this is inconsistent with the rhythm that started this section to begin with 00:15:315 (1) - here

    yeah, you can basically see where I'm going with most of this mod, a lot of the rhythms you chose I disagree with mostly because they're so inconsistent in the same sections of the song that they should be consistent in; sometimes you follow the guitar, sometimes you follow the drums, there's no coherent rhythm choice throughout the map and that throws everything off
  7. 00:32:189 (6) - spacing should reduce here since the drums aren't as potent as they are before
  8. 00:33:529 (1) - why is this finish here?
  9. 00:35:672 (1,2,3,4) - this is 1/4 blue tick snapping, not 1/3, it's easy to get these mixed up though so I don't blame you
  10. 00:39:288 (6,7) - please don't change the rhythm of this in the middle of the pattern, this screws everything up so badly while playing, there's no difference in the drums in this entire section to warrant a rhythm change like this either; would be best to make this consistent
  11. 00:51:743 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - see above
  12. 00:53:886 (1) - this is the only slider that extends to the 1/4 blue tick, would be better to make it consistent and end on the red tick especially considering this is slider tick rate 2 so sliderbreaking on this is a real possibility if you misread it as a 1/2 slider
  13. 00:56:029 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are literally two different rhythms that express the same thing back-to-back, why? as I said before consistency is key to make a map enjoyable to play
  14. 00:58:172 (1) - to 01:00:047 (1) - this is literally just overmapping, you actually can't justify the usage of 1/4 in this, and even if you tried really hard to the inconsistencies of the rhythm (00:59:243 (1,2,3) - has a completely different rhythm than the start for no reason) make it pointless to anyways
  15. 01:05:672 (1,2,3,4) - this has no spacing compared to previous patterns and I'm not really sure why considering the jumps before it were pretty decently spaced
  16. 01:06:743 (1) - if you're going to do a long stream here, would make more sense to have this as a note on the white tick and start the stream on the red tick since that's where it actually starts
  17. 01:09:221 (6) - personal preference more than anything but PLEASE please please make your streams change direction every 5th or 9th note instead of doing this
  18. 01:19:868 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this has completely different rhythm than the entire kiai which makes this contrast heavily with this section for no real reason,
    would be better to be consistent
  19. 01:29:243 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - can you just not do this at all preferably because this plays horribly at anything higher than 175 bpm, there's a reason cut streams in songs like Cry Thunder are shaped like this and not with horizontal angles
  20. 01:30:047 (1) - important downbeat is basically ignored by putting this on a sliderend zz
  21. 01:34:332 (1) - red tick is really potent as a guitar hit here, which is what you seem to be following in this section, no real reason to leave it silenced lol
  22. 01:43:172 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - also overmapped since the guitar doesn't play 1/4 here at all (plus you didn't continue this rhythm for the exact same section 01:44:243 (1) - here)
  23. 01:48:930 (7) - why the finish?
  24. 01:57:100 (1,2,3,4) - you can do so much more with this rhythm than just repeat sliders, even the hitsounds give you a general idea of what the rhythm here could be, this just looks and plays bland
  25. 02:20:672 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - streams that collapse in on themselves especially during intense parts like this make no sense whatsoever and play terribly to boot, why not just make this like the other streams instead of having overlaps like this that make no sense?

    yeah you can basically just apply this entire mod to most of the map, really, almost all of these points are repeated constantly throughout the map
basically my main point is you're not required to map literally every single triple in the map, it becomes REALLY repetitive from a rhythm and playability standpoint because no one wants to play a map where you have a triple every 3 notes, that's why most ranked DragonForce maps don't use everything in the song given to them

for example this map, you can see during the slow parts of the map i.e. 01:29:412 (6) - here for example, where the vocals are more potent than the rest of the instruments, I neglect to map triples, while during sections like 02:22:643 (1) - this I map basically every triple since the drums and guitars are more emphasized than the vocals in this section (I still don't map triples sometimes in those sections though, 02:33:720 (1) - here for example)

it's not just exclusive to my map either, on this map 01:16:996 (1,2,3,4) - here where the triple at 01:17:296 (3,4) - is ignored for emphasis on the vocals, or practically any old DragonForce Lesjuh-style map like this (00:03:169 (3,1) - emphasis on the acoustic guitar, plus a lot of other emphasis on vocals during 01:37:069 (1,2,3,1,2) - basically the entire kiai section, obviously this isn't a modern map but you get the point) and this (05:07:233 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - constant 1/4 drum beat is ignored here in favor of vocals)

obviously you could just excuse it as "it's my style" and no one would bat an eye, but almost every map has differentiation in its rhythm to make it less boring to play and mod; not extreme differentiations mind you, but enough to make it so it's not the most repetitive thing on the planet, which is clearly something a lot of people have issues with in the map

jesus christ this was longer than I thought it would be
Bibbity Bill
65 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Bibbity Bill

fieryrage wrote:

yo a friend asked me to mod this so I'm just gonna give my quick thoughts

  • for timing: is ridiculously off basically everywhere in the map, the section of the map is basically completely untimed and needlessly complicated, the entire beginning should just be a 224 bpm point at 289-290 offset i redid the entire timing and even used a new mp3 hopefully its better now

    02:21:742 (1) - this part should just be 109 bpm until 02:39:363 (1) - here where it turns into 108, the other timing points, while helping the guitar riff 02:23:962 (1,2,1,2) - here are still roughly snapped to 109 bpm so it doesn't cause much of an issue taking these out anyways

    the buildup before the guitar solo 03:19:362 (1) - here is 218 bpm constant, so 03:21:584 (1) - this timing point isn't needed

    as for the guitar solo, 03:23:765 (1) - should just be 224 bpm, the solo isn't a sporadic bpm and 03:26:969 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - these are just roughly 1/6 snappings at 224 bpm lol

    basically all of this timing was taken just at a glance from an already-existing mapset of the same song from a well-known mapper, so take it as you will, but basically my point is the beginning and the solo are 100% off-timed and should be fixed; the 108-109 bpm section doesn't really matter too much imo, I think it's fine as it is personally but it's better to keep it simple rather than all over the place

    for tags: "7th seventh album" is unnecessary, no one is going to be arsed to search up "dragonforce seventh album" to find a song from the seventh album, also who the hell is going to know this song came from the seventh album unless you literally are the biggest fan of DragonForce known to mankind; tags like powermetal and speedmetal should be there for the genre, though is it bad to have it there? i used to search the number on maps instead of just the way to spell it so i included it just for people like me, i guess i'm a fan aha. i will add speed though

    as for the rest of the map, just glancing over it:
  1. 00:05:420 (7,8,1) - not really sure what you're trying to follow here, are you trying to follow guitar or drums? if the former then the slider should start on the white tick instead of where it is right now; if it's the latter then why ignore the downbeat? the rhythm you chose, while covering all the instruments the song is offering (for the most part) makes it really confusing to both play and just look at from a modding perspective, since you're basically emphasizing two different things in one pattern with here i was having the triple and the slider all follow the guitar riff, since it was over the shape i figured it followed the guitar good enough
  2. 00:07:686 (1,2,3) - rhythm choice here is heavily discouraged from a playability perspective, you should basically never have kicksliders on blue ticks unless it's a special rhythm (this isn't one), a standard 4 note stream filling these kicksliders does the job more than well enough, not to mention the spacing between 00:07:686 (1,2) - and 00:08:020 (3,4) - make the gap between 3 and 4 seem shorter than it actually is i was following the guitar there, and personally at this level i don't think anyone should have a problem playing that pattern
  3. 00:13:153 (1) - this stream would be fine if you were following the drums before the stream started, but 00:12:086 (1,2,3,4,5) - this objectively follows the guitar; playability-wise this is fine, but rhythm consistency is really important and it would make a lot more sense to emphasize the guitar pitch changes here since it's the main instrument, which means 00:13:423 (5,5) - these two should be 4-streams with different spacing i followed the guitar earlier because it was a major sound then switched to the drums the second they kicked in, i also was following the guitar sound within the stream there for my direction changes and only used the drums to add to it
  4. 00:15:582 (2) - vocals are the most potent instrument here so it'd make more sense to emphasize those over the drums in the background here, no? yea i actually agree ill add some jumps
  5. 00:19:332 (1) - this slowdown is pretty unnecessary imo, even then it'd probably be better to just have this be a 1/1 gap with circles so the emphasis on the downbeat isn't lost plus having the gap 00:19:332 (1,1) - here is really stupid considering the guitar is playing during that gap lol) the vocals were held for a while and why i used the slow slider, also a slider end does emphasize it, just not actively
  6. 00:23:886 (1) - this is inconsistent with the rhythm that started this section to begin with 00:15:315 (1) - here its just a longer slider on the long guitar riff how is that inconsistant/bad, do i just make it a 1/2 slider and ruin the overlap


    yeah, you can basically see where I'm going with most of this mod, a lot of the rhythms you chose I disagree with mostly because they're so inconsistent in the same sections of the song that they should be consistent in; sometimes you follow the guitar, sometimes you follow the drums, there's no coherent rhythm choice throughout the map and that throws everything off yea i see what you mean, when i originally mapped it i thought some variety made sense but the variety just hinders on how the actual map is if i'm using that excuse
  7. 00:32:189 (6) - spacing should reduce here since the drums aren't as potent as they are before 02:18:444 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - same sounds as this so therefor same spacing (kinda weak reasoning ik but it doesn't seem like a big problem to me)
  8. 00:33:529 (1) - why is this finish here? listen again, i clearly hear one
  9. 00:35:672 (1,2,3,4) - this is 1/4 blue tick snapping, not 1/3, it's easy to get these mixed up though so I don't blame you sounds 1/3rd to me
  10. 00:39:288 (6,7) - please don't change the rhythm of this in the middle of the pattern, this screws everything up so badly while playing, there's no difference in the drums in this entire section to warrant a rhythm change like this either; would be best to make this consistent yea that entire patterns pretty bleh ill just redo it (just later on when i rework that specific sound)
  11. 00:51:743 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - see above same as earlier, just when i rework the sound there
  12. 00:53:886 (1) - this is the only slider that extends to the 1/4 blue tick, would be better to make it consistent and end on the red tick especially considering this is slider tick rate 2 so sliderbreaking on this is a real possibility if you misread it as a 1/2 slider do you not hold the entire slider and go the exact same direction to the stream, i don't see how its easily sliderbreakable, unless you try to jump ahead, in that case it's your own fault.
  13. 00:56:029 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are literally two different rhythms that express the same thing back-to-back, why? as I said before consistency is key to make a map enjoyable to play i'm following the vocals, since the vocals are in some weird 1/4th weird rhythm. wasn't following the drums at all
  14. 00:58:172 (1) - to 01:00:047 (1) - this is literally just overmapping, you actually can't justify the usage of 1/4 in this, and even if you tried really hard to the inconsistencies of the rhythm (00:59:243 (1,2,3) - has a completely different rhythm than the start for no reason) make it pointless to anyways ill make the rhythm more similar to 00:54:070 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,1) - because its similar to me
  15. 01:05:672 (1,2,3,4) - this has no spacing compared to previous patterns and I'm not really sure why considering the jumps before it were pretty decently spaced alright ill increase the spacing
  16. 01:06:743 (1) - if you're going to do a long stream here, would make more sense to have this as a note on the white tick and start the stream on the red tick since that's where it actually starts drum started at 01:07:011 (1) - and why the stream started there, wasnt following the guitar since there was nothing i could reasonably follow[/color
  17. 01:09:221 (6) - personal preference more than anything but PLEASE please please make your streams change direction every 5th or 9th note instead of doing this
  18. 01:19:868 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this has completely different rhythm than the entire kiai which makes this contrast heavily with this section for no real reason,
    would be better to be consistent same as above, will rework
  19. 01:29:243 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - can you just not do this at all preferably because this plays horribly at anything higher than 175 bpm, there's a reason cut streams in songs like Cry Thunder are shaped like this and not with horizontal angles i mapped it as that because the guitar was escalating and i wanted to make it stand out, but since everyone seems to not like that pattern i'll just change it
  20. 01:30:047 (1) - important downbeat is basically ignored by putting this on a sliderend zz i didn't ignore the downbeat, just was following the super loud guitar and emphasized it on the slider end
  21. 01:34:332 (1) - red tick is really potent as a guitar hit here, which is what you seem to be following in this section, no real reason to leave it silenced lol yea i'll change
  22. 01:43:172 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - also overmapped since the guitar doesn't play 1/4 here at all (plus you didn't continue this rhythm for the exact same section 01:44:243 (1) - here) same reason as earlier, eventually will try to incorporate the triples
  23. 01:48:930 (7) - why the finish? theres a finish there?
  24. 01:57:100 (1,2,3,4) - you can do so much more with this rhythm than just repeat sliders, even the hitsounds give you a general idea of what the rhythm here could be, this just looks and plays bland i wanted to give people a break in the song since it was just streams 24/7, but i might change it later on if i can think of a good pattern
  25. 02:20:672 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - streams that collapse in on themselves especially during intense parts like this make no sense whatsoever and play terribly to boot, why not just make this like the other streams instead of having overlaps like this that make no sense? the map was closing into the slow section so i wanted the stream parts to 'finish' off if that makes any sense, and the way i expressed that was by collapsing in on itself

    yeah you can basically just apply this entire mod to most of the map, really, almost all of these points are repeated constantly throughout the map
basically my main point is you're not required to map literally every single triple in the map, it becomes REALLY repetitive from a rhythm and playability standpoint because no one wants to play a map where you have a triple every 3 notes, that's why most ranked DragonForce maps don't use everything in the song given to them i'm not changing how i mapped every triple, the entire gimmick of the map was to make an impossibly difficult dragonforce map that still played good. i get its super repetitive and monotone, but the entire song has pretty poor vocals to map because in this marc just sung super fast and in verses while your examples he sung in a harmonic way to the song

for example this map, you can see during the slow parts of the map i.e. 01:29:412 (6) - here for example, where the vocals are more potent than the rest of the instruments, I neglect to map triples, while during sections like 02:22:643 (1) - this I map basically every triple since the drums and guitars are more emphasized than the vocals in this section (I still don't map triples sometimes in those sections though, 02:33:720 (1) - here for example)

it's not just exclusive to my map either, on this map 01:16:996 (1,2,3,4) - here where the triple at 01:17:296 (3,4) - is ignored for emphasis on the vocals, or practically any old DragonForce Lesjuh-style map like this (00:03:169 (3,1) - emphasis on the acoustic guitar, plus a lot of other emphasis on vocals during 01:37:069 (1,2,3,1,2) - basically the entire kiai section, obviously this isn't a modern map but you get the point) and this (05:07:233 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - constant 1/4 drum beat is ignored here in favor of vocals)

obviously you could just excuse it as "it's my style" and no one would bat an eye, but almost every map has differentiation in its rhythm to make it less boring to play and mod; not extreme differentiations mind you, but enough to make it so it's not the most repetitive thing on the planet, which is clearly something a lot of people have issues with in the map

jesus christ this was longer than I thought it would be
thanks for the mod i really appreciate the feedback
aru-
212 posts
Joined November 2015
aru-
Jo KingOfKarma sent me o/
This is gonna be just a short mod cause i dont like dragonforce ;w;

00:05:319 (7,8,1) - For those patterns i would increase the SV since it feels kinda awkward to play high spaced jumps into slow SV slider
-> you could also remove the sliders and add jumps if u wanna follow the drums c:

00:07:596 (1,2,3,4) - I'd advice u to make those symmetrical
example

00:29:560 (4) - avoid letting sliders end on strong beats it just feels awkward -> i wont point out every slider that applies to this just look over urself

00:38:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - that pattern looks kinda random

01:18:444 (1,2,3,4,5) - why use a slider here when u did not for the same patterns before?

01:20:051 (6,7,8,9) - try keeping visual spacing to make those patterns more appealing

01:43:087 (1,2,3,4) - ^ same as above

01:57:016 (1,2,3,4) - you could map this better in another way cause theres alot going on with the drums reverse slider seem boring to me

02:41:496 (1,2,1,2) - why stack those? applies to the following aswell idk those are different drum sounds i just dont get why u would stack those :D

-> general advice in the solo u start m apping to the drums and switch to the guitar and switch back to the drums without any reason (or at least its too high IQ for me <-

04:37:605 (1,2,3,4) - same as above reverses are just boring


Overall nice map keep up the work o/
Bibbity Bill
65 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Bibbity Bill

Shifu Touka wrote:

Jo KingOfKarma sent me o/
This is gonna be just a short mod cause i dont like dragonforce ;w;

00:05:319 (7,8,1) - For those patterns i would increase the SV since it feels kinda awkward to play high spaced jumps into slow SV slider
-> you could also remove the sliders and add jumps if u wanna follow the drums c: don't see a point

00:07:596 (1,2,3,4) - I'd advice u to make those symmetrical done
example

00:29:560 (4) - avoid letting sliders end on strong beats it just feels awkward -> i wont point out every slider that applies to this just look over urself emphasized with slider ends

00:38:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - that pattern looks kinda random changed

01:18:444 (1,2,3,4,5) - why use a slider here when u did not for the same patterns before? changed

01:20:051 (6,7,8,9) - try keeping visual spacing to make those patterns more appealing done

01:43:087 (1,2,3,4) - ^ same as above done

01:57:016 (1,2,3,4) - you could map this better in another way cause theres alot going on with the drums reverse slider seem boring to me changed

02:41:496 (1,2,1,2) - why stack those? applies to the following aswell idk those are different drum sounds i just dont get why u would stack those :D changed

-> general advice in the solo u start m apping to the drums and switch to the guitar and switch back to the drums without any reason (or at least its too high IQ for me <- tried to make it follow the guitar better

04:37:605 (1,2,3,4) - same as above reverses are just boring changed


Overall nice map keep up the work o/
thanks for the mod
Sharkie
343 posts
Joined May 2014
Sharkie
k leggo
[General]
  1. My dude, you need Mid Tom and Floor Tom hitsounds, 02:09:874 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this stream begs for it.
  2. The mp3 is 191kbps instead of 192, but I guess that's okay
  1. 00:30:230 (1,2,3,7,8,9) - 00:30:497 (4,5,6,10,11,12) - these two patterns look too close together, and they don't really look symmetrical. Especially with these pixel overlaps 00:30:364 (3,7) - 00:30:632 (6,10) -
  2. 00:38:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - In this pattern, it would look a lot better if 00:38:935 (2,6,8,9,10) - is equidistant, from each other. Like this: https://puu.sh/zZq2b/a22dbef9cb.jpg
  3. 00:49:783 (2,1) - This not being a blanket bothers me, you don't have to blanket but it looks like an almost-blanket so yah
  4. 00:51:658 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - cool tbh
  5. 01:45:230 (1) - Not sure if this is intentional, but this doesn't fit the angle the rest of the stream has.
  6. 02:18:444 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - Very cool stream, however, some notes (imo) don't exist: 02:18:510 (2,4,2,2) -
  7. 02:35:146 (2) - I'd space this out more, this is a snare flam.
  8. 02:37:623 (1) - I wouldn't use a reverse slider here, I don't hear anything here 02:37:760 - unless you want a slider because there's a crash, but still, I'd say mapping the flam is more important (02:37:898 -).
  9. 02:38:311 (1) - Flams are not ~really~ snapped to 1/8 since its a grace note then an accented note (and grace notes ~can~ be out of time) but its w.e.
  10. 02:42:051 (2) - I'd make this a slider, the crash plus the sustained note on one of the guitars.
  11. 02:46:496 - 02:46:635 - I wish you mapped these as single taps :cry:
  12. 03:05:940 (1,2,3,4) - These are actually 16th note triplets on the bass guitar. (1/6)
  13. 03:19:274 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think these jumps should be smaller then get gradual, definitely smaller spaced than 03:18:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -. All of the bass guitar notes in 03:18:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are accented, however all of these notes: 03:19:274 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - have the guitar playing a palm muted note and the bass guitar is much, MUCH quieter.
  14. 03:21:475 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Good emphasis
  15. 03:38:409 (6) - This isn't blanketed by 03:37:605 (1) - nor does it really fit the middle curve of 03:37:605 (1) - I think it'd look way better if you did so.
  16. 03:39:213 (4) - I'd space this out and 03:39:748 (1) - because of the accented nature, not just its higher relative pitch.
  17. 03:53:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It's hard to hear it here, but easier to hear it here 03:55:284 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These are 16th note triplets (1/6). It does change over back to 1/4 here 03:56:891 (1) -.
Bibbity Bill
65 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
Bibbity Bill

Sharkie wrote:

k leggo
[General]
  1. My dude, you need Mid Tom and Floor Tom hitsounds, 02:09:874 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - this stream begs for it. added toms to notes throughout
  2. The mp3 is 191kbps instead of 192, but I guess that's okay mp3 191 because its encoded variably
  1. 00:30:230 (1,2,3,7,8,9) - 00:30:497 (4,5,6,10,11,12) - these two patterns look too close together, and they don't really look symmetrical. Especially with these pixel overlaps 00:30:364 (3,7) - 00:30:632 (6,10) - fixed
  2. 00:38:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - In this pattern, it would look a lot better if 00:38:935 (2,6,8,9,10) - is equidistant, from each other. Like this: https://puu.sh/zZq2b/a22dbef9cb.jpg fixed
  3. 00:49:783 (2,1) - This not being a blanket bothers me, you don't have to blanket but it looks like an almost-blanket so yah enable stacking and it is
  4. 00:51:658 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - cool tbh thx
  5. 01:45:230 (1) - Not sure if this is intentional, but this doesn't fit the angle the rest of the stream has. not intended
  6. 02:18:444 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1) - Very cool stream, however, some notes (imo) don't exist: 02:18:510 (2,4,2,2) - thx, fixed the invisible notes
  7. 02:35:146 (2) - I'd space this out more, this is a snare flam. did
  8. 02:37:623 (1) - I wouldn't use a reverse slider here, I don't hear anything here 02:37:760 - unless you want a slider because there's a crash, but still, I'd say mapping the flam is more important (02:37:898 -). 2 notes/2 sliders both seem ackward there, so ill just keep with emphasizing it on the slider end for the intro where it's meant to be low density
  9. 02:38:311 (1) - Flams are not ~really~ snapped to 1/8 since its a grace note then an accented note (and grace notes ~can~ be out of time) but its w.e. i originally had it 1/6th, decided to change to 1/8th because i thought i heard it as that but i guess i was retarded lool
  10. 02:42:051 (2) - I'd make this a slider, the crash plus the sustained note on one of the guitars. wtf was i thinking in that spot, i did that originally LOL
  11. 02:46:496 - 02:46:635 - I wish you mapped these as single taps :cry: did
  12. 03:05:940 (1,2,3,4) - These are actually 16th note triplets on the bass guitar. (1/6) keeping as 1/8th, even though probably not 10000000000000% musically correct i wanted to still map the foot pedal once they started 03:06:357 - , and 1/12th didnt sound good
  13. 03:19:274 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think these jumps should be smaller then get gradual, definitely smaller spaced than 03:18:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -. All of the bass guitar notes in 03:18:162 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - are accented, however all of these notes: 03:19:274 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - have the guitar playing a palm muted note and the bass guitar is much, MUCH quieter. they are gradual, its just a slight buildup because i didnt want to go from super small spacing to gigantic to make it flow nice
  14. 03:21:475 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Good emphasis thx
  15. 03:38:409 (6) - This isn't blanketed by 03:37:605 (1) - nor does it really fit the middle curve of 03:37:605 (1) - I think it'd look way better if you did so. ty for blanket mod
  16. 03:39:213 (4) - I'd space this out and 03:39:748 (1) - because of the accented nature, not just its higher relative pitch. did
  17. 03:53:677 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It's hard to hear it here, but easier to hear it here 03:55:284 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - These are 16th note triplets (1/6). It does change over back to 1/4 here 03:56:891 (1) -. 03:55:886 (2) - i hear some notes like this that are clearly 1/4th, so im under the assumption it's just some major shredding that was intended to be 1/4th with some minor (understandable) mistakes like 03:52:069 (5,6) - is 1/6th, but clearly screams a mistake while they were playing
thanks for the mod!
Monarch
213 posts
Joined July 2014
Monarch
Us being retards and modding the map somewhere inbetween
2018-04-03 22:24 Monarch: ill have a check anyway
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: yea youll need to redl
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: i changed the mp3
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: i didnt redo the streams
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: just basically everything else
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: though
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: LOL
2018-04-03 22:24 Bibbity Bill: because i still liked the streams
2018-04-03 22:25 Bibbity Bill: but yea everything else was practically redone aha
2018-04-03 22:29 Monarch: 01:34:582 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - 
2018-04-03 22:29 Monarch: this is kinda like you place the stream but it would sound better if you do your kickslider thing here
2018-04-03 22:30 Bibbity Bill: like you mean adding some kicksliders there?
2018-04-03 22:30 Bibbity Bill: or what exactly
2018-04-03 22:30 Monarch: yeah
2018-04-03 22:30 Monarch: cus like youve put a stream
2018-04-03 22:30 Monarch: but it would be much better if you emphasised the drums
2018-04-03 22:32 Bibbity Bill: yeah that streams basically a remnant of the old stream
2018-04-03 22:32 Bibbity Bill: which i got rid of anyway
2018-04-03 22:32 Bibbity Bill: so its definitely out of place
2018-04-03 22:32 Bibbity Bill: but yea what's your overall take on the rework?
2018-04-03 22:33 Monarch: have you had testplays of the map?
2018-04-03 22:34 Bibbity Bill: of this new version?
2018-04-03 22:34 Bibbity Bill: nope
2018-04-03 22:34 Monarch: alright
2018-04-03 22:34 Monarch: 03:32:248 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
2018-04-03 22:34 Bibbity Bill: because i literally woke up at 2 am and redid it all today
2018-04-03 22:34 Monarch: just this section here id look out for
2018-04-03 22:35 Monarch: cus the stream spacing is very similar to the 1/4 spacing before but obviously its 1/3
2018-04-03 22:35 Bibbity Bill: yea 1/3rd is tricky to map
2018-04-03 22:35 Monarch: id imagien if someone played it they wouldnt have a problem cus they could see like they cant see as many notes ahead so the timing must be different but yeah
2018-04-03 22:36 Bibbity Bill: i mean its the best i can do without making it just sliders or something
2018-04-03 22:36 Bibbity Bill: its not impossible to play and i figure at this level you should be able to read 1/3rd streams\
2018-04-03 22:36 Monarch: yeah the only thing i could think of is increasing the spacing but then
2018-04-03 22:36 Monarch: you have to increase the spacing of the 1/3 before
2018-04-03 22:36 Monarch: which might be a bit op
2018-04-03 22:36 Bibbity Bill: yea aha
2018-04-03 22:37 Bibbity Bill: it was just 1/4th in my original map so i had to fix it
2018-04-03 22:37 Bibbity Bill: there was sooo many rhythm mistakes and whatnot
2018-04-03 22:37 Monarch: 03:44:033 (3) - just an advocate for jump spacing tbh like you have the 1/2 jump before and then this jump even though the sound is hard and has the finish on it youve made the jump much smaller
2018-04-03 22:38 Monarch: 03:48:319 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - would be better if you made this one similar to 03:56:891 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - 
2018-04-03 22:38 Bibbity Bill: yea i just thought on 3:44 with how it goes horizonal vs vertical would of emphasized the change enough
2018-04-03 22:38 Bibbity Bill: but idk the patterns probably crummy to begin with haa
2018-04-03 22:39 Bibbity Bill: yea 3:48 definitely i agree with i just didnt know how to map that sound
2018-04-03 22:39 Monarch: i mean its just a pretty big jump difference even though the sound in essence is the oposite of the difference
2018-04-03 22:39 Bibbity Bill: and now that you point that out it makes so much sense lol
2018-04-03 22:40 Bibbity Bill: how would you redo that jump
2018-04-03 22:41 Monarch: mmm
2018-04-03 22:41 Bibbity Bill: i just made it some christmas tree wannabe because i had no clue for an actual pattern
2018-04-03 22:41 Bibbity Bill: so i just tried to make one lol
2018-04-03 22:41 Monarch: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/1Vjuwbs.jpg
2018-04-03 22:41 Monarch: in essence you couldf start of with something like this
2018-04-03 22:42 Monarch: and then just continue off into some sort of star pattern
2018-04-03 22:42 Bibbity Bill: nice cookiezi skin
2018-04-03 22:42 Bibbity Bill: i use it too dw lol
2018-04-03 22:42 Monarch: xd
2018-04-03 22:43 Bibbity Bill: you think its close to being rankable at all or still just a fun map?
2018-04-03 22:43 Monarch: but yeah you can like spin it round completely and do something like this https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/c4DrkEt.jpg
2018-04-03 22:43 Monarch: as for being rankable
2018-04-03 22:43 Monarch: if you can find bns who like you map
2018-04-03 22:43 Monarch: which you wont struggle to do
2018-04-03 22:43 Monarch: you can rank it
2018-04-03 22:43 Bibbity Bill: yea theres like 60 now
2018-04-03 22:44 Bibbity Bill: isnt there
2018-04-03 22:44 Bibbity Bill: just a stupid amount of em
2018-04-03 22:44 Monarch: i have whitnessed myself maps that are a quarter of the quality that you're bringing to the table get ranked so i dont think you'd have a problem
2018-04-03 22:44 Bibbity Bill: i mean you think the big jump/guitar stream needs nerfing at all?
2018-04-03 22:44 Monarch: its just down to getting it to a point where you're satisfied with it
2018-04-03 22:45 Bibbity Bill: 03:18:162 -  04:30:105 -  05:15:775 -
2018-04-03 22:45 Bibbity Bill: these 3
2018-04-03 22:45 Bibbity Bill: oh im fairly content with it because ive redone so much of the map because i decided i wanted to try to map it seriously
2018-04-03 22:45 Bibbity Bill: now that ive been more experienced
2018-04-03 22:45 Bibbity Bill: like besides getting a few misc mods to fix some issues i might of msised its basically what i wanted to map
2018-04-03 22:46 Bibbity Bill: i just dunno if i need to nerf it at all
2018-04-03 22:46 Bibbity Bill: im fine with nerfing if i have to, just dunno if its overmapped to you personally or not
2018-04-03 22:46 Monarch: jumps are reasonable
2018-04-03 22:46 Monarch: like they reflect the music, as long as they do that there isnt a problem
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: oh and the rest of the map can match the diff spike
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: which is does so you're fine on that front
2018-04-03 22:47 Bibbity Bill: yea its just
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: as for the stream
2018-04-03 22:47 Bibbity Bill: 7.7* without that
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: i wouldn't have an issue with it
2018-04-03 22:47 Bibbity Bill: so its practically a 8* map already
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: yeah
2018-04-03 22:47 Bibbity Bill: od/hp/ar fine to you?
2018-04-03 22:47 Monarch: its not like its going from 6 star to 9 star or something
2018-04-03 22:47 Bibbity Bill: yeah aha
2018-04-03 22:48 Monarch: anyway as for the stream i think it looks fine but honestly for that one you'd just have to wait to see what a bn says and argue your case for it
2018-04-03 22:48 Bibbity Bill: yea
2018-04-03 22:48 Bibbity Bill: i mean its just the only real controversial piece but its an easy fix if it becomes a problem
2018-04-03 22:49 Bibbity Bill: i mean in my eyes as long as its above 8*s to be the first 8* df im fine
2018-04-03 22:49 Monarch: 05:11:891 (1,2,3) - 
2018-04-03 22:49 Bibbity Bill: rest of it is just added difficulty
2018-04-03 22:50 Monarch: last thing i saw
2018-04-03 22:50 Monarch: this should be like a slider or something
2018-04-03 22:50 Monarch: for the whole section here youve done slider for the guitar
2018-04-03 22:50 Monarch: but here you went off and did a triple instead
2018-04-03 22:50 Bibbity Bill: yea i see entirely what you mean
2018-04-03 22:50 Bibbity Bill: 05:12:293 (4) - this probably should of been the triple
2018-04-03 22:51 Bibbity Bill: just i think the guitar switched differnently and i didnt catch it
2018-04-03 22:51 Bibbity Bill: happens to the best of us
2018-04-03 22:51 Monarch: ye triple starting on the end of where you have the first slider now going onto the second slider
2018-04-03 22:51 Monarch: but yeah good map tbh
2018-04-03 22:51 Bibbity Bill: yea much better than previous version
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: actual variety this time lol
2018-04-03 22:52 Monarch: hope you map some more stream maps after you rank this
2018-04-03 22:52 Monarch: xd
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: oh i have more stream maps
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: didnt you look at my profile xd
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1582287 BABYMETAL - Amore]
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: i was gonna hitsound  this soon
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: just been busy remapping astral because its been the map i wanted to get popular
2018-04-03 22:52 Bibbity Bill: but NOBODY really plays astral so im like ;-;
2018-04-03 22:53 Bibbity Bill: i submitted the song the day the album came out and finished it first
2018-04-03 22:53 Bibbity Bill: i assumed df was a popular artist and people would be playing it often
2018-04-03 22:53 Bibbity Bill: but i guess i judged wrong lol
2018-04-03 22:53 Monarch: i think its because
2018-04-03 22:53 Monarch: its really really hard]
2018-04-03 22:53 Monarch: xddddd
2018-04-03 22:53 Bibbity Bill: yeah probably that too
2018-04-03 22:54 Bibbity Bill: i didnt intend to be it to 8*s when i mapped
2018-04-03 22:54 Bibbity Bill: just happened LOL
2018-04-03 22:54 Bibbity Bill: but yea amore i mapped like last week just because this song needed a good map
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: and nobody ever mapped it good
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: like there was only 1 other map for it and it was pretty bad
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: so i had to remap it myself
2018-04-03 22:55 Monarch: yeah this si really well mapped too
2018-04-03 22:55 Monarch: xd
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: its basically honesty 2.0 to me
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: just a much better version of the same gimmick
2018-04-03 22:55 Bibbity Bill: but still people like honesty better ;-;
2018-04-03 22:56 Bibbity Bill: probably i mean idk lol
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: only thing id say about this map is
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: and just fior your streams in general
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: is sometimes you avoid emphasis 
2018-04-03 22:56 Bibbity Bill: yea i definitely mapped em super quick
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: 01:30:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: like all of this
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: has loads of sounds you could use to chop and change the stream
2018-04-03 22:56 Monarch: but you just keep it in a circle haha
2018-04-03 22:56 Bibbity Bill: yea i agree definitely
2018-04-03 22:57 Bibbity Bill: i just didnt map it with as much care as my other maps since i mapped it quickly because i just wanted to play a decent map for once
2018-04-03 22:57 Bibbity Bill: theres alot of minor overlap mistakes that i should of fixed too but since it was just for fun i didnt fix
2018-04-03 22:57 Bibbity Bill: and alot more vocals i could of followed too
2018-04-03 22:57 Bibbity Bill: just alot of that sorta stuff
2018-04-03 22:58 Monarch: yeah
2018-04-03 22:58 Bibbity Bill: stuff i would fix if it was going for ranked but im far too lazy to map 5 difficultys for it
2018-04-03 22:58 Bibbity Bill: funny enough probably could of mapped it with how much time i spent fixing astral
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: you got any maps you want me to look at or anything?
2018-04-03 22:59 Monarch: ah yes 
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: i shouldnt be so selfish aha
2018-04-03 22:59 Monarch: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1241370 GYZE - Honesty [Dishonest]]
2018-04-03 22:59 Monarch: this is the map i saw
2018-04-03 22:59 Monarch: first i mean
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: yea its just so poorly done now in retrospect lol
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: like it had like
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: 6 favorites
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: then all of a sudden haenes plays it
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: and now everyone likes it
2018-04-03 22:59 Monarch: xdddddd
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: i didnt even want to submit it in the first place
2018-04-03 22:59 Bibbity Bill: because in my eyes its such a boring map
2018-04-03 23:00 Bibbity Bill: i literally only mapped it for stream practice
2018-04-03 23:00 Bibbity Bill: for myself lol
2018-04-03 23:00 Bibbity Bill: and then only submitted it because my friend wanted to use it as warmups in multi
2018-04-03 23:00 Bibbity Bill: that's why i didnt even spend time to get proper backgrounds or anything
2018-04-03 23:00 Bibbity Bill: i just didnt expect anyone to like it lol
2018-04-03 23:00 Monarch: haha
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: and its like if it becomes a loved canidate ill definitely polish it up right before
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: i mean 150 favorites in 3 months seems like alot
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: i just dont think the end stream is rankable
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: because its like
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: 6.4* into 7.2*
2018-04-03 23:01 Monarch: xdddddd
2018-04-03 23:01 Bibbity Bill: and the spacing just seems ludicrous to me
2018-04-03 23:02 Monarch: anyway yeah just get a few mods on astral and then look for a bn
2018-04-03 23:02 Bibbity Bill: yea that's what i was planning on doing
2018-04-03 23:03 Bibbity Bill: get a few experienced mappers to give input > ask for some tesplays > hopefully its rankable after that
2018-04-03 23:03 Bibbity Bill: i just dont think alot of people want to mod it because its modding v1 still lol
2018-04-03 23:03 Bibbity Bill: and i cant change it afaik ;-;
2018-04-03 23:05 Bibbity Bill: but yea ill apply your mod later today just want to actually play the game than be in the editor lol
2018-04-03 23:05 Bibbity Bill: post in the thread if you want a kudosu or something
2018-04-03 23:05 Bibbity Bill: if they even matter yet
2018-04-03 23:05 Monarch: uh
2018-04-03 23:05 Monarch: ill give someone a shout to change it to v2 if you want
2018-04-03 23:06 Bibbity Bill: i mean isnt it better to be v2 since more people like v2?
2018-04-03 23:06 Monarch: well thats what im sayin g if you want v2 i can ask someone to chamnge it for you
2018-04-03 23:06 Bibbity Bill: hmm ill think about it but i dont think modding v2 is that necessary currently
2018-04-03 23:07 Bibbity Bill: maybe if it wasnt already right there to being pushed but yea
2018-04-03 23:07 Monarch: alright lmk if you change your mind
2018-04-03 23:07 Bibbity Bill: yea definitely
2018-04-03 23:08 Bibbity Bill: only real reason i would change it to mv2 is for kroytz's stream to get his opinion on the map
2018-04-03 23:08 Bibbity Bill: but i figure his opinion probably isnt manditory for it anyway lol
2018-04-03 23:10 Bibbity Bill: but yea thanks for the mod its really appreciated to have some one else besides me look at it aha
2018-04-03 23:10 Bibbity Bill: because i dont really know any mappers so i just mostly just learn by myself
2018-04-03 23:10 Bibbity Bill: got a mod from fiery rage and xexxars opinion and what triggered me to remap most of it
2018-04-03 23:10 Bibbity Bill: but that was the first time i pretty much got a mod on any of my maps lol
2018-04-03 23:11 Bibbity Bill: also sorry for spamming so much i figured youre tired
2018-04-03 23:11 Bibbity Bill: just got alot on my mind after fixing this aha
2018-04-03 23:14 Monarch: nah its fine lol
2018-04-03 23:14 Monarch: lmk if you change it a lot a need a second opinion again
2018-04-03 23:16 Bibbity Bill: yea i dont think i need to change alot again lol
2018-04-03 23:16 Bibbity Bill: i just dont see
2018-04-03 23:16 Bibbity Bill: what else i could really improve is the thing
2018-04-03 23:17 Bibbity Bill: besides fixing your inconsistancies, maybe nerfing a stream or changing a slider shape or 2
2018-04-03 23:18 Bibbity Bill: not really much of anything
2018-04-03 23:18 Monarch: yeah its pretty polished so i wouldnt worry about even having to full deny mods if you dont agree with them xd
2018-04-03 23:18 Bibbity Bill: yea lol
2018-04-03 23:41 Bibbity Bill: 03:31:177 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - is this 1/3rd or 1/4th to you?
2018-04-03 23:41 Bibbity Bill: i mean the drums are clearly in 1/3rd but is the guitar in it
2018-04-03 23:41 Bibbity Bill: aha
2018-04-03 23:42 Monarch: guitar is 1/4
2018-04-03 23:43 Bibbity Bill: you think i should just make it like 1/3rd kicksliders or go back to a 1/4th stream like i had originally in the map
2018-04-03 23:43 Bibbity Bill: ?
2018-04-03 23:43 Bibbity Bill: or just not change it at all
2018-04-03 23:43 Monarch: i think what you have right now but 1/4 
2018-04-03 23:43 Monarch: would work fine
2018-04-03 23:43 Bibbity Bill: aight
2018-04-03 23:43 Monarch: and then youd be able to do
2018-04-03 23:43 Monarch: 1/3 spacing spaced
2018-04-03 23:43 Bibbity Bill: yea so basically how it was originally mapped
2018-04-03 23:44 Monarch: in the next stream
2018-04-03 23:44 Monarch: and it wouldnt be as similar to the 1/4 in the previous stream
2018-04-03 23:44 Bibbity Bill: 04:09:748 - yea like this stream heres super misleading too
2018-04-03 23:45 Monarch: ye
2018-04-03 23:45 Monarch: doesn't hurt to make it spaced since its 1/3
2018-04-03 23:45 Bibbity Bill: yea
2018-04-03 23:45 Bibbity Bill: and only like 180 bpm anyway
2018-04-03 23:45 Bibbity Bill: your hands are dead anyway
2018-04-03 23:45 Bibbity Bill: btw are the storyboarded hitsounds a bad thing in this map or not
2018-04-03 23:46 Bibbity Bill: like idk if i should of been using em or not since i used em in a few spots lol
2018-04-03 23:46 Monarch: hitsounds are nice
2018-04-03 23:46 Monarch: as for sb thats just like up to you
2018-04-03 23:46 Bibbity Bill: so its not a problem?
2018-04-03 23:46 Bibbity Bill: got it
2018-04-03 23:46 Monarch: if you wanna go thropugh the effort of doing a sb
2018-04-03 23:46 Monarch: then u can but
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: naw i dont want to
2018-04-03 23:47 Monarch: hardly anyones gonna see it really
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: just the hitsounds
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: nobody looks at sb
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: yea ikr
2018-04-03 23:47 Monarch: yeah hitsounds are good
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: its like
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: why spend the effort
2018-04-03 23:47 Bibbity Bill: for something nobody looks at
2018-04-03 23:47 Monarch: +
2018-04-03 23:48 Bibbity Bill: yea was just gonna change that to 1/4th and add it to my notepad on what to fix later today
2018-04-03 23:48 Bibbity Bill: this map keeps changing to sample set none every time
2018-04-03 23:48 Bibbity Bill: is that a bad thing too
2018-04-03 23:48 Bibbity Bill: because i keep switching it to drum but it keeps defaulting to none
2018-04-03 23:49 Monarch: you mean when you set a new green tick?
2018-04-03 23:49 Bibbity Bill: no
2018-04-03 23:49 Bibbity Bill: like in the .osu
2018-04-03 23:49 Bibbity Bill: it says sample set none
2018-04-03 23:50 Bibbity Bill: or does that happen to every hitsounded map and i just dont look at maps to realize
2018-04-03 23:51 Monarch: ive never even seen that
2018-04-03 23:51 Monarch: as long as the samples are correct on the ticks it doesnt matter though
2018-04-03 23:51 Bibbity Bill: yea idk my maps weird
2018-04-03 23:51 Bibbity Bill: maybe its due to it having that old map bug still
2018-04-03 23:51 Bibbity Bill: where it shows a billion difficultys
2018-04-03 23:51 Bibbity Bill: kinda triggers me
2018-04-03 23:51 Bibbity Bill: any idea how to fix it?
2018-04-03 23:52 Bibbity Bill: https://z.s-ul.eu/8tzy5huz.png
2018-04-03 23:52 Bibbity Bill: like definitely got what like 12 difficultys xdd
2018-04-03 23:54 Monarch: thats just ous being weird
2018-04-03 23:54 Monarch: xd
2018-04-03 23:54 Monarch: a lot of maps have it not just yours
2018-04-03 23:55 Monarch: quite a few ranked maps too
2018-04-03 23:55 Monarch: lol
2018-04-03 23:55 Bibbity Bill: yea i know
2018-04-03 23:55 Bibbity Bill: it just happens on maps submitted earlier in the year
2018-04-03 23:55 Bibbity Bill: i think it was because the new site caused the maps to not update correctly or something
2018-04-03 23:56 Bibbity Bill: because it happend as soon as peppy forced the new site on you
2018-04-03 23:56 Bibbity Bill: for beatmaps
2018-04-03 23:56 Bibbity Bill: so i figure it was something like the new site didnt update maps correctly and after he reverted it to the old site or whatever the maps updated correctly again
2018-04-03 23:57 Bibbity Bill: just kinda tilting to see the map look so messy though lol
2018-04-04 00:00 Monarch: yeah no clue how to fix sadly xd
2018-04-04 00:01 Bibbity Bill: yea its not that upsetting if anything it makes it more clickbait
2018-04-04 00:01 Bibbity Bill: lol
2018-04-04 00:01 Bibbity Bill: osu clickbait
2018-04-04 00:01 Monarch: xddddddd
2018-04-04 00:01 Bibbity Bill: everyone will click on a map with 80 difficultys
Bibbity Bill
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Bibbity Bill
thanks for the mod earlier this week
HML
343 posts
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HML
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09:24 Bibbity Bill: so are ya free now to give me a mod or something?
09:24 Bibbity Bill: seriously want your feedback lol
09:25 HML: Yeah, in a bit
09:25 Bibbity Bill: aight
09:25 HML: Someone wanted me to help them with their map
09:25 Bibbity Bill: just redl when you are because i added a few hs and stuff
09:25 *Bibbity Bill is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1603635 DragonForce - Astral Empire]
09:25 HML: kk
09:25 Bibbity Bill: might as well do it rn
09:45 HML: You ready?
09:46 Bibbity Bill: yeah
09:46 Bibbity Bill: ive been its just whatever you want to say
09:46 Bibbity Bill: i just want another opinion because ive put alot of work into it this week
09:46 Bibbity Bill: and you probably can notice lol
09:46 HML: YEah, it shows
09:47 HML: I still don't like the rhythm at the start. Like how you ignore stuff 00:05:319 (1) -
09:47 HML: and 00:06:391 (1) - 00:09:605 (1) - 00:10:676 (1) -
09:47 Bibbity Bill: i did that to mostly follow the guitar there but its like
09:47 Bibbity Bill: everyone doesnt like that
09:47 Bibbity Bill: so you got any suggestion?
09:48 HML: Don't ignore the drums you hitsounded it
09:48 HML: That's what I suggesy
09:48 HML: *suggest
09:48 Bibbity Bill: so a triple and a slider?
09:48 HML: Yes
09:49 HML: That is much better
09:49 Bibbity Bill: aight ill do that
09:50 HML: Coolio
09:50 HML: Another problem I see a lot is your slider angles often dont' match your jump angles like 00:06:926 (2,3,4) -
09:51 HML: The slider body and stuff is ugly becuase it doesn't fit
09:51 Bibbity Bill: i see that
09:51 Bibbity Bill: its like i wanted to change the intro but really had no suggestions and if everyone wants it change ill chang it
09:52 HML: Also, I don't like overlaps like 00:07:060 (3,1,3) -
09:53 HML: Be crative and use the playfield, don't narrow down on one place and cause overlaps
09:53 Bibbity Bill: i dont even think its put on evenly anyway
09:53 Bibbity Bill: lol
09:53 Bibbity Bill: yea its just the intro i had alot of issues with
09:53 Bibbity Bill: and didnt really have ways of fixing it
09:53 Bibbity Bill: and now with more freedom i should be able to polish it
09:54 HML: Yeah, just take your time on it
09:54 HML: No one is rushing you but yourself
09:54 Bibbity Bill: yea yea
09:55 HML: 00:15:498 (2,4,1) - Things like these are really ugly. I'd prefer if you blanket 00:16:301 (1) - with either 00:15:498 (2) - or 00:15:766 (4) -
09:55 HML: The between is just unsightly imo
09:56 Bibbity Bill: yea i agree there
09:56 Bibbity Bill: its like i can make a triangle with the slider end
09:56 HML: 00:15:766 (4,4) - These small overlaps can be easily avoided by just changing the angle of 00:16:704 (3,4) - by a few degrees, so anything like this is unexceptable imo
09:56 Bibbity Bill: 00:15:498 (2,4) -
09:56 Bibbity Bill: with these 2
09:56 HML: Mhmm
09:57 HML: 00:22:194 (7,8,9,1) - Like here too
09:57 Bibbity Bill: but does that minor overlap really affect much at all
09:57 HML: No, but it makes it look so much cleaner
09:58 Bibbity Bill: i see
09:58 HML: Remeber, maps are just as much visual pieces as they are playing ones
09:58 HML: Fun map that looks ugly isn;t a good map
09:58 Bibbity Bill: yea i get whatcha mean
09:58 HML: Bad map that looks bad is Kroytz
09:59 HML: You don't wanna be Kroytz
10:00 Bibbity Bill: yea DEFINITELY dont want it to be artistically challenged
10:00 HML: LOL
10:00 HML: 00:24:069 (2,3) - You ignore tripples a lot
10:00 Bibbity Bill: following vocals
10:00 HML: You either map to all of them or none
10:01 HML: I don't care, it needs to be represented if you've followed it imo
10:01 HML: Use like 1/4 sliders are smthn
10:02 Bibbity Bill: i did that sorta mapping in the chorus to make it stand out
10:02 Bibbity Bill: i just didnt want the map to be differnet before then
10:02 Bibbity Bill: and if i used kicksliders throughout
10:02 Bibbity Bill: what difference would the chorus be
10:02 HML: 00:31:838 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1) - I like using smaller spacing for tom rolls
10:03 Bibbity Bill: yea i just liked the perfect curve there
10:03 Bibbity Bill: and to keep the spacing consistant throughout the map
10:04 HML: The difference would be that in the chorus, you use notes then a slider, here it'll just be a slider into a note
10:04 HML: If you keep spacing the same for everything, it'll get boring
10:05 HML: Represent sounds, don't ignore emphasis for consistency sake
10:05 Bibbity Bill: i get it
10:07 HML: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10682744
10:07 HML: Poor thing lmao
10:08 Bibbity Bill: ;-;
10:08 Bibbity Bill: did he eat something bad?
10:09 HML: 00:34:515 (1,2,3,4) - This might play a bit stange. I think the angle or placement of 00:35:051 (4) - needs to change with the pattern
10:09 HML: Idk, maybe
10:09 Bibbity Bill: yea i could easily flip that
10:10 HML: And no, probably just a puppy thing
10:10 Bibbity Bill: yea hopefully
10:11 HML: 00:46:971 (7,8,9) - I don't like playing these. They're not fun because you stop flow at the end of a slider which is never good unless it's for a long pause in time
10:12 HML: Also under emphasizes the first sound
10:12 Bibbity Bill: yea thats like one spot where i did it that slider kinda annoyed me too
10:13 HML: 00:49:783 (2,3,4,1) - Fix blanket
10:14 Bibbity Bill: it is fixed with stacking enabled
10:14 Bibbity Bill: with it disabled its not fixed
10:14 HML: I have stacking on
10:14 Bibbity Bill: then how is it not right
10:14 Bibbity Bill: ss what you mean by fixed then
10:15 HML: The tail overlaps with the approach circle
10:15 Bibbity Bill: a pixel off?
10:15 HML: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10682797
10:15 HML: No, for me it's pretty bad
10:16 HML: Because there is a gap, but then there isn't between the body and the approach circle
10:16 HML: Just move it away more
10:16 Bibbity Bill: yea i see what you mean
10:17 Bibbity Bill: will fix
10:17 HML: Close blankets like that usually aren;t good
10:18 Bibbity Bill: yea i agree i just eyeballed it badly
10:18 Bibbity Bill: was no point to keep it so close
10:18 HML: 01:10:141 (1,2,3,1) - What's cool is in these parts I usually do a quiet reverse slider for the guitar tremming and have the next one start on the next drum beat
10:19 HML: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10682819 Placement is random
10:19 HML: But like, this is really cool imo
10:19 Bibbity Bill: yea i like the 3 notes to emphasize it than a single repeat
10:19 Bibbity Bill: for 1:10
10:20 Bibbity Bill: oh wait you meant like that?
10:20 HML: Yeah
10:21 Bibbity Bill: oh wait thats kinda dope actually
10:25 Bibbity Bill: but yea you got any other thoughts?
10:25 HML: Yeah, was just making sure my replays worked because my client was being gay af
10:25 Bibbity Bill: ic aha
10:25 Bibbity Bill: yea the osu client has been kinda broken tbis last week
10:25 Bibbity Bill: i got a ghost process for the first time
10:26 HML: ALmost all of my collections were deleted, and with that usually means it deletes all of my replay data
10:26 HML: WHich it did
10:26 Bibbity Bill: damn
10:26 HML: Yeah
10:26 HML: So all of my replays are broken
10:26 HML: None of them work
10:26 HML: Only ones I download
10:26 HML: 3rd time this has happened
10:27 HML: 01:11:212 (2,3) - Make thing like this the same angle as the tail and not the head
10:27 HML: Becauce that's what the player will corralate better with
10:27 Bibbity Bill: if the replay data is still there you could try rebuilding em
10:27 Bibbity Bill: https://z.s-ul.eu/nd8JukdC.zip with this
10:27 Bibbity Bill: see if that might work
10:28 Bibbity Bill: just place it in your osu folder and run it
10:28 HML: kk
10:28 HML: brb
10:28 Bibbity Bill: itll go through your maps
10:28 Bibbity Bill: and try to rebuild rom your data folder
10:28 Bibbity Bill: if it can be rebuilt itll rebuild em
10:29 Bibbity Bill: if that doesnt work your replays are probably gone though
10:31 HML: Woah, it worked wtf
10:31 Bibbity Bill: yea just your replay data was still present then
10:31 Bibbity Bill: just wasnt built
10:31 HML: REEEEEEEEE WTF
10:31 HML: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10682907
10:31 HML: Fucking 2 YEARS OLD AKDFHNSDG
10:31 Bibbity Bill: lol
10:32 Bibbity Bill: i dont think ive passed that map in 2 years myself
10:32 Bibbity Bill: :thinking:
10:40 HML: lol
10:40 HML: Okay, sorry
10:41 HML: Was trying to see if some old replays I did still existed
10:41 Bibbity Bill: nono its fine not trying to rush you or anything lol
10:42 HML: 02:10:141 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I think you need a spacing change for the toms here again
10:43 HML: I think what I've said is just general advice for the map
10:43 Bibbity Bill: yea no its good advice
10:43 Bibbity Bill: just minor inconsistancies i have to fix
10:44 Bibbity Bill: they always pop up after mods because theres sounds i didnt realize
10:44 Bibbity Bill: and all that sorta stuff
10:44 Bibbity Bill: just modding for ya
10:44 Bibbity Bill: but yea i agree ill have those toms be a bit more noticible
10:45 HML: So when you comb through it again, look for 1) blanket fixes are places you could have place them, 2) rhythmic changes that you can emphasize better, 3) avoidable overlaps, and 4) question if your rhythms are the best for that part
10:46 Bibbity Bill: yea definitely
10:46 Bibbity Bill: i mean besides some minor inconsistancies the maps improved alot hasnt it
10:46 Bibbity Bill: atleast clean factor wise
10:47 HML: Yeah
10:47 Bibbity Bill: 03:17:051 (1,1) - like here for example
10:47 Bibbity Bill: ez fix
10:47 HML: I still think you should utilize corners and the edges of the playfield more though
10:48 Bibbity Bill: yea i tried my best to utilize them more
10:48 Bibbity Bill: maybe not absolute corners but atleast 95% of it
10:49 Bibbity Bill: 03:40:819 - mistake here i just noticed
10:49 Bibbity Bill: but yea thanks for the feedback
10:50 HML: Sure, I'm glad to help :)
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SilverCatalyst
phenomenal map, especially for someone who has 0 ranked maps
get this shit ranked my bro
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