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dingo424
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017년 7월 24일 월요일 at 오후 11:24:04

Artist: TWICE
Title: SIGNAL
Tags: TWICE 트와이스 Signal 나연 정연 모모 사나 지효 미나 다현 채영 쯔위 nayeon jeongyeon momo sana jihyo mina dahyun chaeyoung tzuyu
BPM: 207.75
Filesize: 22593kb
Play Time: 03:13
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1.19 stars, 160 notes)
  2. Hard (2.87 stars, 490 notes)
  3. Insane (4.04 stars, 676 notes)
  4. Normal (1.73 stars, 279 notes)
Download: TWICE - SIGNAL
Download: TWICE - SIGNAL (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Planning on a remap, I'll do it ASAP
Trying to let you know! That it's my first beatmap


Difficulties updates
Easy: Re-mapping
Normal: Re-mapping
Hard: Re-mapping
Insane: Re-mapping

Beatmap updates
2017.05.18. Uploaded map
2017.05.19. Uploaded Video
2017.05.20. Added normal difficulty
2017.05.21. Added Insane difficulty
2017.05.24. Applied Amos's mod, shrinked video size! Yay!
2017.05.27. Applied Fursum's mod
2017.05.30. Applied CucumberCuc, Juiceys's mod, Fixed bpm (Thanks to CharmCaster)
2017.06.04. Applied newton-'s mod
2017.06.06. Applied Dinshego, Lucyyyyyyy's mod
2017.06.07. Changed BPM to 208 (Thanks to Firetruck)
2017.06.10. Applied pingal1ty's mod
2017.07.05. Little changes on every diff
2017.07.07. Finished Normal diff
2017.07.13. Applied Asuka_-'s mod
2017.07.24. Some changes on offset
- Pika
Heya! I looked over your beatmap!

TBH, everything looks fine to me! All you really have to do is separate the notes! If you have "Distance Snap" on, turn it off, then you can move notes more freely!

Good luck!
Topic Starter
dingo424

-AsrieLx- wrote:

Heya! I looked over your beatmap!

TBH, everything looks fine to me! All you really have to do is separate the notes! If you have "Distance Snap" on, turn it off, then you can move notes more freely!

Good luck!
Thanks :) And yeah, I should separate the notes. Thanks for your help!
Amos
hello, come from my queue

[insane]
00:00:530 (1,2) - adding curves would be better for aesthetic
00:03:126 (8) - because this is an insane difficulty, you don't need to put this close to the stream, move it a bit away
00:04:279 (4) - ^
00:05:144 (1,2,3,4) - it doesn't look good when you put things next to each other
00:08:316 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - object placement a bit messy in here, try to toggle distance snap by holding alt while trying to place the object, same goes for the part like this
00:18:987 (3,4) - 4 is a strong beat, you need to emphasize it by making a bigger jump than other part, same goes for beats like this
00:21:005 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as before, it doesn't look good when putting object next to each other in insane difficulty, try to make little jumps
00:43:211 (1,2,3,4) - there's a 6 1/4 beats, or i can say 3 doubles. i suggest to change it like this. There's another section like this too

00:59:937 (1,2,3,4) - make it look cleaner, same as the other jump
01:14:645 (3,4) - inconsistent placement
01:16:664 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - it sounds the same, you don't need to put more distance
02:06:842 (2,3,4,5) - inconsistent placement
i think that sums up your map, nothing more to point out, thanks for requesting
Topic Starter
dingo424

Amos wrote:

hello, come from my queue

[insane]
00:00:530 (1,2) - adding curves would be better for aesthetic -Fixed!
00:03:126 (8) - because this is an insane difficulty, you don't need to put this close to the stream, move it a bit away -Fixed!
00:04:279 (4) - ^ -Fixed!
00:05:144 (1,2,3,4) - it doesn't look good when you put things next to each other -Fixed but I don't know if this is better.
00:08:316 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - object placement a bit messy in here, try to toggle distance snap by holding alt while trying to place the object, same goes for the part like this -Fixed!
00:18:987 (3,4) - 4 is a strong beat, you need to emphasize it by making a bigger jump than other part, same goes for beats like this -Fixed!
00:21:005 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - same as before, it doesn't look good when putting object next to each other in insane difficulty, try to make little jumps -Fixed!
00:43:211 (1,2,3,4) - there's a 6 1/4 beats, or i can say 3 doubles. i suggest to change it like this. There's another section like this too -Fixed but I hear 6-5-5 beats. So I changed it to what I heard. You can point out if you don't think it's right.

00:59:937 (1,2,3,4) - make it look cleaner, same as the other jump -Fixed!
01:14:645 (3,4) - inconsistent placement -Fixed?
01:16:664 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - it sounds the same, you don't need to put more distance -[color=#FF0000]Well.... I did it because to make it a bit more harder.
I'll think about that.[/color]
02:06:842 (2,3,4,5) - inconsistent placement -Fixed!

i think that sums up your map, nothing more to point out, thanks for requesting


Wow, I didn't know what to do about Insane (cuz my skills are not that good to play Insane, so I didn't know how it goes.) but your modding helped me a lot! Thanks for your mod :)
Fursum
Hello from my queue.

[General]

Your spacing is VERY inconsistent. Most of the time its not aligned properly and it looks bad. Sometimes its not readable as well.

Some of the vocals fit to 1/3 spacing, yet you use 1/4 for them, and it doesn't represent any sound then.

You probably can fit more hitsounds but it shouldn't be your priority, your mapset needs a lot of polish.

[Easy]

According to guidelines, you shouldn't break time/distance, try using distance snap.

02:16:071 (1,1) - There should be a 4 beat gap between spinner and the next click.

03:07:403 (3) - Almost offscreen for 4:3 users

[Normal]

Same thing with easy. Although its less strict.

01:14:357 (1,2) - I'd make the slider 1/4 longer and move the next circle to the next red tick. Same thing with others, but thats up to you.

01:23:585 (1) - Almost offscreen

01:33:390 (2) - Offscreen

[Hard]

00:45:662 (6) - Slider should start at the red tick and end at the white tick.

01:32:236 (3) - I'd move this to the white tick. Vocal comes between blue and white tick, yet white tick is stronger.

01:39:734 (3) - I would make this a double reverse slider and end it at the blue tick.

02:52:119 (4,8) - These are also off for vocals.

[Insane]

02:17:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Stream doesn't fit, theres nothing for 1/8 beats.
Topic Starter
dingo424

Fursum012 wrote:

Hello from my queue.

[General]

Your spacing is VERY inconsistent. Most of the time its not aligned properly and it looks bad. Sometimes its not readable as well.

Some of the vocals fit to 1/3 spacing, yet you use 1/4 for them, and it doesn't represent any sound then.

You probably can fit more hitsounds but it shouldn't be your priority, your mapset needs a lot of polish. -Okay, I haven't thought about using 1/3 spacing :(

[Easy]

According to guidelines, you shouldn't break time/distance, try using distance snap.

02:16:071 (1,1) - There should be a 4 beat gap between spinner and the next click. -Fixed

03:07:403 (3) - Almost offscreen for 4:3 users -Fixed

[Normal]

Same thing with easy. Although its less strict.

01:14:357 (1,2) - I'd make the slider 1/4 longer and move the next circle to the next red tick. Same thing with others, but thats up to you.Well... I think I should follow the vocals. I'll change the hitsouds or find something else.

01:23:585 (1) - Almost offscreen Fixed

01:33:390 (2) - OffscreenFixed

[Hard]

00:45:662 (6) - Slider should start at the red tick and end at the white tick. -Fixed

01:32:236 (3) - I'd move this to the white tick. Vocal comes between blue and white tick, yet white tick is stronger. Fixed

01:39:734 (3) - I would make this a double reverse slider and end it at the blue tick. Fixed

02:52:119 (4,8) - These are also off for vocals. I think it's OK

[Insane]

02:17:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - Stream doesn't fit, theres nothing for 1/8 beats. -There are definitely beats at 1/8 (Or maybe 1/6?)


Well... I think I ruined my map by turning the distance snap off :( Anyway, thanks for your mod!
CucumberCuc
Hi

[General]
first kiai end on 01:32:813 and second kiai start 02:18:955 + end on 02:55:868

[Easy]
check AiMod (ctrl+shift+a)
click on ctrl+a and then q and check Distance Snap
00:07:451 (3) maybe this slider be better?

00:09:759 NC
00:13:219 (6) make curve

00:16:680 (1) wtf is this ?!?

00:18:987 (1) end slider remove Clap sound
00:21:294 (2,3) be better if you do like on this:

00:23:601 (4) NC
00:26:485 (6) not good blanket; to make it more open

00:28:792 (2) start slider move down and end slider move left for better flow
00:30:522 (3) end slider move up for better flow
00:32:829 (1,2) fix first slider and i think this blanket be better

00:55:900 (1,2,3) make curve sliders
01:00:514 NC
01:02:821 ^
01:15:000 for what you put here green TP?
01:16:664 (2) fix this slider and do this

01:30:506 (3) do more open
01:48:963 (6) this slider blanket be better

01:56:461 (6) not good blanket
02:11:457 - 02:13:764 NC
02:16:071 (1) at this level of complexity after the spinner must have 3 to 4 white teak
02:21:262 (3) - 02:23:569 (4) - 02:26:453 (6) - 02:28:183 (1) - 02:30:490 (3) - 02:37:411 (1) not good blankets
02:23:569 NC
02:42:025 ^
02:48:947 (4,5) overlap
02:51:254 NC
03:09:710 NC
03:09:710 (5,6,7) not good blanket

[Normal]
check AiMod
click on ctrl+a and then q and check Distance Snap
00:01:107 (2) not good blanket, fix this
00:09:759 (2) ^
00:58:784 (5) ^
01:05:705 (3) ^
01:09:166 NC
01:11:473 (1) end shorten to previous white tick
01:14:357 (1,2,3,4) - 01:18:971 (1,2,3,4) - 01:22:431 (7,1,2,3,4) - 01:28:632 (2,4,8) - 01:35:120 (4,6) this bad arrangement of circles and sliders, here is best suited 1/2
01:31:083 (7,8) bad overlap and 8 not good blanket
01:34:832 NC
01:39:446 (4,5) far
01:44:925 (6) not good blanket
01:48:674 NC
01:56:461 (3) not good blanket
01:57:903 NC
01:58:768 (6) not good blanket
02:18:955 to 02:55:551 like for 01:14:357 (1,2,3,4) - 01:35:120 (4,6)
02:32:220 (8) not good blanket
02:41:449 (8) ^
02:44:621 (6) ^
02:49:235 (6) ^
03:07:115 (4) why here short slider but 03:09:422 (1) long slider if the sounds the same?

[Hard]
check AiMod and fix timing green TP's
00:05:144 (1) fix blanket
00:10:624 (5,6,7) different range
00:15:382 (6,7,8) ^
00:18:698 (1,2,3) not good blanket
00:18:987 (3) make slider more open
00:39:462 NC
00:40:904 ^
00:43:211 ^
00:47:537 ^
00:48:690 ^
00:58:207 ^
01:03:686 (5,6) overlap and 6 not good blanket
01:05:128 (1,3) not good blanket
01:09:310 (2,3,4) different range
01:15:510 (5,6,7,8) ^
01:16:664 (1,2,3,4) not good sliders
01:28:199 (1,2) bad overlap
02:20:252 (6,7,8) different range
02:28:327 (2,3,4) - 02:29:336 (5,6,7) ^
02:32:941 (2,3,4) ^
02:42:025 (1,2,3) ^
02:43:179 (4,5,6) ^ and slider 4 not good blanket
03:01:924 (6) not good blanket
03:10:143 (3) ^
03:12:882 (5,6,7) different range

[Insane]
check AiMod and fix timing green TP's
00:02:260 (3,4,5) fix this
00:03:702 (1,2,3) different range
00:08:461 (6,7,8) do like on picture

00:13:219 (3,4) do far
00:15:382 (2,3,4) why you put are close if previous circles and sliders put slightly far?
00:15:670 (4,5) overlap
00:17:256 (3,4) remove circle and move slider on his place and end do to red tick
00:19:852 (5,6) - 00:20:140 (7,8) different range
00:21:005 (1,2,3,4,5,6) ^
00:24:745 (7,8) do far
00:26:196 (4,5) ^
All the rest of the map - damn just check all the circles and sliders and make them at least equal in distance between the ticks(and now I'm going to talk about other things)
00:33:117 (2,3) not good blanket
00:37:443 (2) end slider move up or down for better flow
01:07:147 (7) end slider move right for better flow
01:29:785 (7) end slider move left for better flow
01:40:599 (5) not good blanket
02:17:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) use 1/6
Juiceys
Normal:
00:00:530 (1,2) - You can select ( 1 ) and ctrl + c to copy it and ctrl + v to paste it onto 2 to make them the same object
Those two sounds are very similar so they should be mapped the same way and with the same slider. at least in lower diffs
00:02:837 (5,7) - These should probably be the same, length wise and visually for the same reason above

00:25:908 (6) - Sliders with more than 1 reverse arrow are pretty confusing, especially for new players that will play this diff. If you want a slider with a reverse in a low difficulty map, probably want to keep the number of reverses = 1

01:52:423 (3,4) - Don't like the flow here. When a player plays (3) The cursor will tend to move in the direction the end of the slider is, but the next object instead of going where it feels natural breaks the flow and goes down, not where the slider is pointing to, feels weird.

You can apply this to almost every part of the map, I feel it would be pointless to name of every single one though.

Good luck!
Topic Starter
dingo424

CucumberCuc wrote:

Hi

[General]
first kiai end on 01:32:813 and second kiai start 02:18:955 + end on 02:55:868 -Done!

[Easy]
check AiMod (ctrl+shift+a)
click on ctrl+a and then q and check Distance Snap -Okay
00:07:451 (3) maybe this slider be better? -Fixed!

00:09:759 NC -Fixed!
00:13:219 (6) make curve -Fixed!

00:16:680 (1) wtf is this ?!? -Fixed XD

00:18:987 (1) end slider remove Clap sound -I think I should keep that sound
00:21:294 (2,3) be better if you do like on this: -Fixed!

00:23:601 (4) NC -Fixed!
00:26:485 (6) not good blanket; to make it more open -Fixed!

00:28:792 (2) start slider move down and end slider move left for better flow -Fixed!
00:30:522 (3) end slider move up for better flow -Fixed!
00:32:829 (1,2) fix first slider and i think this blanket be better -Fixed!

00:55:900 (1,2,3) make curve sliders -Fixed!
01:00:514 NC -Fixed!
01:02:821 ^ -Fixed!
01:15:000 for what you put here green TP? -Fixed! I didn't even realize that XD
01:16:664 (2) fix this slider and do this -Fixed!

01:30:506 (3) do more open -Fixed!
01:48:963 (6) this slider blanket be better -Fixed!

01:56:461 (6) not good blanket -Fixed!
02:11:457 - 02:13:764 NC -Fixed!
02:16:071 (1) at this level of complexity after the spinner must have 3 to 4 white teak There are 3 teaks, and I think it'll make it more hard if I make the spinner longer.
02:21:262 (3) - 02:23:569 (4) - 02:26:453 (6) - 02:28:183 (1) - 02:30:490 (3) - 02:37:411 (1) not good blankets -Fixed!
02:23:569 NC -Fixed!
02:42:025 ^ -Fixed!
02:48:947 (4,5) overlap -Fixed!
02:51:254 NC -Fixed!
03:09:710 NC -Fixed!
03:09:710 (5,6,7) not good blanket -Fixed!

[Normal]
check AiMod
click on ctrl+a and then q and check Distance Snap
00:01:107 (2) not good blanket, fix this -Fixed!
00:09:759 (2) ^ -Fixed!
00:58:784 (5) ^ -Fixed!
01:05:705 (3) ^ -Fixed!
01:09:166 NC -Fixed!
01:11:473 (1) end shorten to previous white tick I think I should leave that because of the hitsound.
01:14:357 (1,2,3,4) - 01:18:971 (1,2,3,4) - 01:22:431 (7,1,2,3,4) - 01:28:632 (2,4,8) - 01:35:120 (4,6) this bad arrangement of circles and sliders, here is best suited 1/2 -Fixed! I thought it was not right to put like that, but I think it's okay now.
01:31:083 (7,8) bad overlap and 8 not good blanket -Fixed!
01:34:832 NC -Fixed!
01:39:446 (4,5) far -Fixed!
01:44:925 (6) not good blanket -Fixed!
01:48:674 NC -Fixed!
01:56:461 (3) not good blanket -Fixed!
01:57:903 NC -Fixed!
01:58:768 (6) not good blanket -Fixed!
02:18:955 to 02:55:551 like for 01:14:357 (1,2,3,4) - 01:35:120 (4,6) -Fixed!
02:32:220 (8) not good blanket -Fixed!
02:41:449 (8) ^ -Fixed!
02:44:621 (6) ^ -Fixed!
02:49:235 (6) ^ -Fixed!
03:07:115 (4) why here short slider but 03:09:422 (1) long slider if the sounds the same? -Fixed!

[Hard]
check AiMod and fix timing green TP's
00:05:144 (1) fix blanket -Fixed!
00:10:624 (5,6,7) different range -Fixed!
00:15:382 (6,7,8) ^ -Fixed!
00:18:698 (1,2,3) not good blanket -Fixed!
00:18:987 (3) make slider more open -Fixed!
00:39:462 NC -Fixed!
00:40:904 ^ -Fixed!
00:43:211 ^ -Fixed!
00:47:537 ^ -Fixed!
00:48:690 ^ -Fixed!
00:58:207 ^ -Fixed!
01:03:686 (5,6) overlap and 6 not good blanket -Fixed!
01:05:128 (1,3) not good blanket -Fixed!
01:09:310 (2,3,4) different range -Fixed!
01:15:510 (5,6,7,8) ^ -Fixed!
01:16:664 (1,2,3,4) not good sliders -Fixed!
01:28:199 (1,2) bad overlap -Fixed!
02:20:252 (6,7,8) different range -Fixed!
02:28:327 (2,3,4) - 02:29:336 (5,6,7) ^ -Fixed!
02:32:941 (2,3,4) ^ -Fixed!
02:42:025 (1,2,3) ^ -Fixed!
02:43:179 (4,5,6) ^ and slider 4 not good blanket -Fixed!
03:01:924 (6) not good blanket -Fixed!
03:10:143 (3) ^ -Fixed!
03:12:882 (5,6,7) different range -Fixed!

[Insane]
check AiMod and fix timing green TP's
00:02:260 (3,4,5) fix this If you're meaning the range, it's fixed, and if not, it's not fixed
00:03:702 (1,2,3) different range -Fixed!
00:08:461 (6,7,8) do like on picture -Fixed!

00:13:219 (3,4) do far -Fixed!
00:15:382 (2,3,4) why you put are close if previous circles and sliders put slightly far? -Fixed!
00:15:670 (4,5) overlap -Fixed!
00:17:256 (3,4) remove circle and move slider on his place and end do to red tick -Fixed!
00:19:852 (5,6) - 00:20:140 (7,8) different range -Fixed!
00:21:005 (1,2,3,4,5,6) ^ -Fixed!
00:24:745 (7,8) do far -Fixed!
00:26:196 (4,5) ^ -Fixed!
All the rest of the map - damn just check all the circles and sliders and make them at least equal in distance between the ticks(and now I'm going to talk about other things)
00:33:117 (2,3) not good blanket -Fixed!
00:37:443 (2) end slider move up or down for better flow -Fixed!
01:07:147 (7) end slider move right for better flow -Fixed!
01:29:785 (7) end slider move left for better flow -Fixed!
01:40:599 (5) not good blanket -Fixed!
02:17:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) use 1/6 -Fixed! Yeah, 1/6 is better than 1/8
Still working on Insane, but so much thanks for your modding! I think I have done so much things wrong :?
Topic Starter
dingo424

Juiceys wrote:

Normal:
00:00:530 (1,2) - You can select ( 1 ) and ctrl + c to copy it and ctrl + v to paste it onto 2 to make them the same object Fixed! Thanks for your tip!
Those two sounds are very similar so they should be mapped the same way and with the same slider. at least in lower diffs
00:02:837 (5,7) - These should probably be the same, length wise and visually for the same reason above Okay... Fixed!

00:25:908 (6) - Sliders with more than 1 reverse arrow are pretty confusing, especially for new players that will play this diff. If you want a slider with a reverse in a low difficulty map, probably want to keep the number of reverses = 1 Fixed! Changed to 2 sliders!

01:52:423 (3,4) - Don't like the flow here. When a player plays (3) The cursor will tend to move in the direction the end of the slider is, but the next object instead of going where it feels natural breaks the flow and goes down, not where the slider is pointing to, feels weird. Fixed! Moved (4) to right

You can apply this to almost every part of the map, I feel it would be pointless to name of every single one though.

Good luck!
Thank you for your mod!
Fragmented
fix BPM pls,

00:00:530 - BPM should be 103.75
00:18:966 - BPM should be 104 because the intro bpm is slightly slower than the rest of the song

no kds, good luck!
Topic Starter
dingo424

CharmCaster wrote:

fix BPM pls,

00:00:530 - BPM should be 103.75
00:18:966 - BPM should be 104 because the intro bpm is slightly slower than the rest of the song Fixed!

no kds, good luck!
Now I know why the bpm was not appropriate at the intro :) Thanks for your help!
Firetruck
yo the bpm is acutally 208 lol

placeholder for mod shignal <3 i love momo
Topic Starter
dingo424

Firetruck wrote:

yo the bpm is acutally 208 lol

placeholder for mod shignal <3 i love momo
208?! Whoa... but it's my bpm doubled so.... is it ok not to change it?
newton-
hi from q

since youre a new mapper it would be better to give you general advice on what to do and what not to do, using examples from your map:

(keep in mind that these apply through the whole map so it would be wise for you to find and fix them)

[ insane]
  1. 00:01:108 (2,1) - avoid unjustified overlaps (ie ones that arent part of a pattern, concept or gimmick) - they look ugly to most players. a way to solve overlap problems is to stack objects when possible instead of overlapping them - for example, here you can move 00:01:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - so 1 is stacked on the head of 00:01:108 (2) -
  2. 00:02:843 (7,8) - unless it's the concept behind the map, avoid using uncomfortable flow unless it's for emphasis. here for example the flow is uncomfortable since players move towards sliders in fluid motions, and this placement forces snappy movement to the slider. this gives the slider extra emphasis which imo it doesnt need.
  3. 00:03:132 (8) - you may have heard this before, but avoid ending sliders on stronger sounds than they start. in this case the blue tick that the slider ends on is stronger than the red tick that it starts on, so this is an example of bad slider usage. (00:10:795 (2) - for another example)
  4. 00:05:157 (1,2,3,4) - these sliders would look neater if they were tilted at consistently the same angle (example) or consistently tilted by the same angle each repetition (example). this is because players find patterns neater and more pleasing when they are repeated in a consistent way. this doesnt just apply to aesthetics, this applies to rhythm choice and emphasis too. (00:08:337 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - example of inconsistent rhythm - the vocals are exactly the same but theyre mapped very differently)
  5. 00:07:470 (3) - heads up, most players don't like long-ish repeating sliders with more than 1 reverse arrow
  6. that stuff aside, i feel that the main problem in your map would have to be visuals. in truth, your map needs to improve a lot in this department since it's really hard to find any visual patterns in it aside from the fact that the objects are vaguely distance-snapped. in order to create pleasing visual patterns, i recommend arranging objects in shapes, symmetrical patterns (especially the first 3 kinds of symmetry here), or parallel lines whenever possible. in short, make every object part of a pattern that you feel complements the song (eg calm songs would have more pleasing patterns while chaotic songs would have less structured patterns) - give it as much reasons to stay in its current position as possible.
the problem i have mostly in your map would have to be inconsistent visuals and rhythm (as discussed above), so i strongly suggest going through the entire map fixing and rearranging stuff

good luck!
Topic Starter
dingo424

newton- wrote:

hi from q

since youre a new mapper it would be better to give you general advice on what to do and what not to do, using examples from your map:

(keep in mind that these apply through the whole map so it would be wise for you to find and fix them)

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  1. 00:01:108 (2,1) - avoid unjustified overlaps (ie ones that arent part of a pattern, concept or gimmick) - they look ugly to most players. a way to solve overlap problems is to stack objects when possible instead of overlapping them - for example, here you can move 00:01:976 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - so 1 is stacked on the head of 00:01:108 (2) - Not sure that I understood it exactly, but there are 7 beats.. so I don't think I should stack them... but I"ll stack if it looks better to other overlapped ones.
  2. 00:02:843 (7,8) - unless it's the concept behind the map, avoid using uncomfortable flow unless it's for emphasis. here for example the flow is uncomfortable since players move towards sliders in fluid motions, and this placement forces snappy movement to the slider. this gives the slider extra emphasis which imo it doesnt need. -Yep I knew my map flow is very uncomfortable, but I don;t have a clue to fix it :(
  3. 00:03:132 (8) - you may have heard this before, but avoid ending sliders on stronger sounds than they start. in this case the blue tick that the slider ends on is stronger than the red tick that it starts on, so this is an example of bad slider usage. (00:10:795 (2) - for another example) I'll fix it, now I know what is the strong beat :) Thanks
  4. 00:05:157 (1,2,3,4) - these sliders would look neater if they were tilted at consistently the same angle (example) or consistently tilted by the same angle each repetition (example). this is because players find patterns neater and more pleasing when they are repeated in a consistent way. this doesnt just apply to aesthetics, this applies to rhythm choice and emphasis too. (00:08:337 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - example of inconsistent rhythm - the vocals are exactly the same but theyre mapped very differently) Okay, I should make the same pattern when the part is the same
  5. 00:07:470 (3) - heads up, most players don't like long-ish repeating sliders with more than 1 reverse arrow Fixed!
  6. that stuff aside, i feel that the main problem in your map would have to be visuals. in truth, your map needs to improve a lot in this department since it's really hard to find any visual patterns in it aside from the fact that the objects are vaguely distance-snapped. in order to create pleasing visual patterns, i recommend arranging objects in shapes, symmetrical patterns (especially the first 3 kinds of symmetry here), or parallel lines whenever possible. in short, make every object part of a pattern that you feel complements the song (eg calm songs would have more pleasing patterns while chaotic songs would have less structured patterns) - give it as much reasons to stay in its current position as possible.
Yep... I knew my map is very bad in visuals, but I don't even have a clue to make it better. I'll try to make it better, but I can't assure that the visuals will be better than before.

the problem i have mostly in your map would have to be inconsistent visuals and rhythm (as discussed above), so i strongly suggest going through the entire map fixing and rearranging stuff

good luck!
Thanks for your mod! Not sure if I could make visuals better, but I'll try my best!
Dinshego
Hello, a mod from my q! I'm new to modding, so if I did something wrong, I apologize.
And since this map is longer than 3 minutes, I'll mod just half of it. I'm sorry.

Easy

00:07:470 (3,1) - I notice that these sliders emphasizing the same repeated lyrics, but I found 00:09:783 (1) - longer and is emphasizing the lyrics better than 00:07:470 (3) - so try to make them the same.
00:51:273 (1) - I'm thinking of turning this slider like this for a nice flow


instead of this

01:10:312 (4,5) - The lyrics here share the same pattern as 01:01:081 (2) - so I suggest to change it into reversed slider to make a consistent note

Normal

01:30:504 (1,2) - I think that these shouldn't be stacked or it'll be hard to read the note

Actually what I found generally from this map is an uncosistent note. As an example from the Hard diff, 00:00:530 (1,2,3,4,5) - and 00:05:157 (1,2,3,4) - have the different patterns and ways to emphasize the lyrics, so they should have the same pattern. Why? So the player can recognize the pattern and plays the map consistently.
I'm sorry for this short mod.

Good luck!

o yeah btw can you mutual me plz maybe we can be friends since im new to mapping too
Ayumiita
Lightmod from my queue


i´ll recommend you to focus more on structure and especially concepts. Since this is just a lightmod and you seem to be relatively new to mapping you will get some help in terms of learning how to map.

Pishifat Youtube watch some of his vids, he is good at teaching mapping related stuff.

I especially recommend you to look at "spacing emphasis" and "asthestic"

But since im still here to help you i´ll give you some aspects/points in your map that i´ll consider you to recheck and try to redo better

00:50:552 (4,5,6,1,2) - doesn´t look to nice, something that you could do is.
1st: do a slider 2nd: ctrl + shift + f so you get the pop up window for slider to stream creation. Now you choose a fitting "distance snap" for example 0,9x and press OK
it should look like this
Since you do those triple sliders quite often, ill give you some tricks on that too
1st: make a basic CURVED slider like this for example 2nd: now you copy and paste the slider with ctrl + c and ctrl + v it should look like this. 3rd: you rotated the new slider by 120° with ctrl + shift + r (choose under origin "selection centre")
4th: repeat step 2 and 3
5th: readjust the sliders and you got this
dont worry, you will get used to those things aswell, if you didnt know about those short cuts i´ll recommend you "the editor" video by pishifat aswell

hope I could help you
Topic Starter
dingo424

Dinshego wrote:

Hello, a mod from my q! I'm new to modding, so if I did something wrong, I apologize.
And since this map is longer than 3 minutes, I'll mod just half of it. I'm sorry.

Easy

00:07:470 (3,1) - I notice that these sliders emphasizing the same repeated lyrics, but I found 00:09:783 (1) - longer and is emphasizing the lyrics better than 00:07:470 (3) - so try to make them the same. Okay, fixed!
00:51:273 (1) - I'm thinking of turning this slider like this for a nice flow


instead of this
Fixed, yeah, I think that's better
01:10:312 (4,5) - The lyrics here share the same pattern as 01:01:081 (2) - so I suggest to change it into reversed slider to make a consistent note Okay, fixed!


Normal

01:30:504 (1,2) - I think that these shouldn't be stacked or it'll be hard to read the noteDidn't noticed it was stacked! Fixed!

Actually what I found generally from this map is an uncosistent note. As an example from the Hard diff, 00:00:530 (1,2,3,4,5) - and 00:05:157 (1,2,3,4) - have the different patterns and ways to emphasize the lyrics, so they should have the same pattern. Why? So the player can recognize the pattern and plays the map consistently. Okay
I'm sorry for this short mod.

Good luck!

o yeah btw can you mutual me plz maybe we can be friends since im new to mapping too -Sure why not!
Thanks for your mod! :D
Topic Starter
dingo424

Lucyyyyyyy wrote:

Lightmod from my queue


i´ll recommend you to focus more on structure and especially concepts. Since this is just a lightmod and you seem to be relatively new to mapping you will get some help in terms of learning how to map.

Pishifat Youtube watch some of his vids, he is good at teaching mapping related stuff.

I especially recommend you to look at "spacing emphasis" and "asthestic" Thanks! I should definitely watch it!

But since im still here to help you i´ll give you some aspects/points in your map that i´ll consider you to recheck and try to redo better

00:50:552 (4,5,6,1,2) - doesn´t look to nice, something that you could do is.
1st: do a slider 2nd: ctrl + shift + f so you get the pop up window for slider to stream creation. Now you choose a fitting "distance snap" for example 0,9x and press OK
it should look like this Thanks for your tip! Fixed!

Since you do those triple sliders quite often, ill give you some tricks on that too
1st: make a basic CURVED slider like this for example 2nd: now you copy and paste the slider with ctrl + c and ctrl + v it should look like this. 3rd: you rotated the new slider by 120° with ctrl + shift + r (choose under origin "selection centre")
4th: repeat step 2 and 3
5th: readjust the sliders and you got this Thank you! This looks way more better than mine! Should apply it right now :)

dont worry, you will get used to those things aswell, if you didnt know about those short cuts i´ll recommend you "the editor" video by pishifat aswell Thank you :3

hope I could help you
Thank you for your tips for the visuals, I really needed it!
Firetruck

dingo424 wrote:

Firetruck wrote:

yo the bpm is acutally 208 lol

placeholder for mod shignal <3 i love momo
208?! Whoa... but it's my bpm doubled so.... is it ok not to change it?
i mean, the real bpm is 208 so you can't rank it unless you change ;p
Topic Starter
dingo424

Firetruck wrote:

i mean, the real bpm is 208 so you can't rank it unless you change ;p
aaaaaaaaaaaaaah you gotta be kidding me! It was 104 bpm at BPM database and BPM Analyzer.... I'll need some time to change it to 208... (Because the map goes crazy when I change the bpm :cry: )
Firetruck

dingo424 wrote:

Firetruck wrote:

i mean, the real bpm is 208 so you can't rank it unless you change ;p
aaaaaaaaaaaaaah you gotta be kidding me! It was 104 bpm at BPM database and BPM Analyzer.... I'll need some time to change it to 208... (Because the map goes crazy when I change the bpm :cry: )
dont worry about the map!! just change sv till its normal again :D
Topic Starter
dingo424

Firetruck wrote:

dont worry about the map!! just change sv till its normal again :D
Changed bpm to 208!
pingal1ty
from my modding queue

SPOILER
Easy :

Spacing inconsistencies, spacing goes from 0.90 to 1.x for no reason, try keep everything with a 0.90 spacing and it should be fine.
Also,
00:28:196 (1) - Can be confusing for new players since there's a huge time between the slider and the circle and this didn't got represented with spacing.
01:58:196 (7,8) - Could have tried to make a blanket between these two
02:35:696 (3,1) - This spacing o_O
Really check note by note, the spacing is so unconsistent, try to make everything absolutely the same spacing, not a single .01 difference, that's what will make the biggest difference.

Normal:

01:19:831 (2) - Spacing
OK its a total mess, you should do more blankets everywhere, you abuse circular flow through all the song and have 0 blankets, also spacing inconsistency same as Easy difficult.
03:07:139 (4) - This don't do it, its Normal difficulty, just keep following the rythm and ignore that vocal
Some example on what I was saying about the blankets and circular flow abuse : 00:11:807 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) -

Hard:

A bit too dense for a Hard difficult?
Also, you abuse patterns agains, first with that W jump pattern twice at the beginning of the map, later then with circular flow again... no blankets...
Its basically same as Normal but since its more dense it will have more errors, and spacing inconsistencies.
For example here :
00:37:427 (2,3,4) - You did good spacing, there's 1.0x between 2 and 3, 3 and 4, but you could have made in a way that both sliders do blanket with the circle.
02:28:196 (1,2,3,4) - Even here the spacing is wrong

Insane:

Same inconsistencies than in previous difficulties, spacing, same flow abuse, etc etc.

00:18:530 (7) - NC
00:27:331 (7) - Blanket?
00:59:927 (1,2,3,4) - Just no...
01:43:773 (6) - Blanket?
01:59:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Spacing.
02:04:542 (1,2,3,4) - Don't do it again pls! =(
02:13:773 (1,2,3,4) - mind messing, and badly spaced
02:16:081 (1,2,3,4) - ^
02:44:927 (3,4,5) - Spacing!
02:46:081 (8,9,10) - ^

There's also a lot of copy/paste with just a flip

That's all I can mod for you, sorry :/

PS : Easy is good, perhaps few changes and some blanket here and there, its the best chance you have to make a good difficulty in this set for now.
Topic Starter
dingo424

pingal1ty wrote:

from my modding queue

SPOILER
Easy :

Spacing inconsistencies, spacing goes from 0.90 to 1.x for no reason, try keep everything with a 0.90 spacing and it should be fine. Fixed!
Also,
00:28:196 (1) - Can be confusing for new players since there's a huge time between the slider and the circle and this didn't got represented with spacing. Fixed!
01:58:196 (7,8) - Could have tried to make a blanket between these two I'll think about it
02:35:696 (3,1) - This spacing o_O Fixed!
Really check note by note, the spacing is so unconsistent, try to make everything absolutely the same spacing, not a single .01 difference, that's what will make the biggest difference. Yes sir!

Normal:

01:19:831 (2) - Spacing Fixed
OK its a total mess, you should do more blankets everywhere, you abuse circular flow through all the song and have 0 blankets, also spacing inconsistency same as Easy difficult.
03:07:139 (4) - This don't do it, its Normal difficulty, just keep following the rythm and ignore that vocal Well.. I was following the vocals all the time, so I think I should follow the vocals.
Some example on what I was saying about the blankets and circular flow abuse : 00:11:807 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) -
So.. you mean I should make a blanket there? I'll try
Hard:

A bit too dense for a Hard difficult?
Also, you abuse patterns agains, first with that W jump pattern twice at the beginning of the map, later then with circular flow again... no blankets...
Its basically same as Normal but since its more dense it will have more errors, and spacing inconsistencies.
For example here :
00:37:427 (2,3,4) - You did good spacing, there's 1.0x between 2 and 3, 3 and 4, but you could have made in a way that both sliders do blanket with the circle. Okay, Fixed!
02:28:196 (1,2,3,4) - Even here the spacing is wrong Fixed

Insane:

Same inconsistencies than in previous difficulties, spacing, same flow abuse, etc etc.

00:18:530 (7) - NC It's a circle for JYP, so I think I should stick to he combo with he previous one
00:27:331 (7) - Blanket?
00:59:927 (1,2,3,4) - Just no...
01:43:773 (6) - Blanket?
01:59:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Spacing.
02:04:542 (1,2,3,4) - Don't do it again pls! =(
02:13:773 (1,2,3,4) - mind messing, and badly spaced Spacing fixed, but it's an Insane... I thought I could do some mind messing notes
02:16:081 (1,2,3,4) - ^
02:44:927 (3,4,5) - Spacing! Fixed!
02:46:081 (8,9,10) - ^ [/color]

There's also a lot of copy/paste with just a flip
That's all I can mod for you, sorry :/

PS : Easy is good, perhaps few changes and some blanket here and there, its the best chance you have to make a good difficulty in this set for now.
Thanks for your mod!
Asuka_-
im not good at english
i use google translate. xd


good song xD

general
Please set the volume respectively.

Easy
check AImod!! (many unsnap issue)

there are many point you can make blanket. you should fix them.
e.g.)00:39:735 (3,4) - maybe https://gyazo.com/302abf2ef286ba41b939a72c046ecfca.png

00:16:723 (1,2,1) - 00:42:042 (1,2) -
00:31:658 (4,1) - avoid overlap

Hard
01:14:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:18:966 (1,2,3,4) - there rythym is used in Insane diff already. maybe change to like 01:20:119 (5,6,7) -
01:22:860 (4) - no sound here. you should move to 01:22:932 - or 01:23:004 -
01:32:091 (3) - same

Good Luck!!
Topic Starter
dingo424

Asuka_- wrote:

im not good at english
i use google translate. xd


good song xD

general
Please set the volume respectively. Set to 65%

Easy
check AImod!! (many unsnap issue) Fixed! It must have been unsnapped when I changed the bpm :?

there are many point you can make blanket. you should fix them. Fixing!
e.g.)00:39:735 (3,4) - maybe https://gyazo.com/302abf2ef286ba41b939a72c046ecfca.png

00:16:723 (1,2,1) - 00:42:042 (1,2) -
00:31:658 (4,1) - avoid overlap Fixed!

Hard
01:14:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:18:966 (1,2,3,4) - there rythym is used in Insane diff already. maybe change to like 01:20:119 (5,6,7) - Hmm.. I'll think about it. I'll either change hard or Insane's rhythm
01:22:860 (4) - no sound here. you should move to 01:22:932 - or 01:23:004 - Fixed! I realized it when I listened to the song at 50% speed
01:32:091 (3) - same Fixed!

Good Luck!! Thanks :)
Thanks for your mod!
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