Monstrata wrote:

This is a good example of "following the rule because it's a rule" and not because breaking the rule contributes to any negative quality aspects in the map. Something we should definitely discuss further in ranking criteria council.

Shiirn wrote:

Monstrata wrote:

This is a good example of "following the rule because it's a rule" and not because breaking the rule contributes to any negative quality aspects in the map. Something we should definitely discuss further in ranking criteria council.

sounds familiar, better stonewall this map for months while refusing to change the rule or let this particular map pass out of spite until lasse gives up and then change the rule right away so you can rank a 0.5 slider tick map, right monstrata?

UndeadCapulet wrote:

if you need some precedence, this uses stack leniency 1 bc the map needed it

Lasse wrote:

list of sliders that would be effected by a change from 0.5 to 1 and what sound would be on the tick:
00:31:015 (1) - really weak sound, guitar pitch change
00:57:307 (1) - nothing
01:47:363 (1,1,1) - nothing
02:31:857 (1) - similar to first
02:32:700 (1) - no concrete beat, fading sound starts around it
03:05:565 (1,1,1) - nothing
03:56:296 (1,1) - irrelevant, ruins the whole part
04:07:082 (1,1) - ^
05:08:262 (1,1,1) - nothing

1. 00:31:015 (1) - In the few measures around this spot, the vocals go kinda crazy rhythm-wise which makes it rather hard to grasp underlying metrum of the song because it goes offbeat in weird ways. This slider not ending on the major downbeat (even tho there is clearly more than just the guitar changing pitch there, actually very distinct notes here) makes it even hrader to stay in rhythm bc it provides even less rhythmic orientation than usual / than required by the RC. ofc I have no clue why this rule initially exists, but I believe that sliderticks exist to provide those means of rhythmic orientation that are missing when there is no mapped note for a long time.
2. 00:57:307 (1) - Calling this "nothing" seems very absurd to me, the sound here is ending/completely changing very clearly and distinctly on the white tick (almost seems like you mapped it as an edge for a reason, eh?), and completely ignoring the whole point about sliderticks I feel like this spot is rather weird to play bc of 00:57:812 not being clickable as it's such a strong beat, have you considered shortening the slider to 1/1 and stacking a circle under its tail? This way the contrast to the high speed of the next slider is even stronger
3. 01:47:363 (1,1,1) - Now here's obviously nothing to be ticked to, but again this spot feels rather offputting to me bc it's quite likely to loose rhythmic orientation here again and think that it changes to ~120bpm because there is nothing to orientate on again. Whether a silenced slidertail ends on a note that fits rhythmically or not does make a great difference when playing, which is why a lot of maps overmapping slidertails feel shit to a lot of players, and this is one of those cases for me. Same goes for 03:05:565 (1,1,1) and 05:08:262 (1,1,1) obviously
4. 02:31:857 (1,1) - Again or both of those the slidertick would seem completely fitting to me as there are again very distinct ntoes/drastic changes of sounds that are perceived as rhythmic notes happening on those. Just because they aren't 'active beats' doesn't mean they're completely irrelevant / no beats at all.

zev wrote:

combo color 1 & 3 look really similar kinda annoying imo.

Mao wrote:

Also, when I briefly looked at the map, I noticed 03:53:599 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - are inaudible to me due to blending hitsounds (and therefore the lack of feedback) and low volume. I especially had problems hitting 04:02:194 (1,1,1) - because of that. Personally even though the effect might be lost a bit, would put a soft hitnormal under them to provide proper feedback.