18:38 bob80905: would you like to give my map a testie?
18:38 Haganenno: sure nibba
18:38 Haganenno: but I will go eat hot kibin first
18:39 bob80905: oh, ok
18:39 bob80905: ?
18:39 *bob80905 is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1320299 Rita - Song for friends]
18:39 Haganenno: ye I will inform u when im ready
18:40 bob80905: O, thanks
18:59 Haganenno: ok
18:59 bob80905: Ok
19:04 Haganenno: ok so
19:04 Haganenno: it is actually rather nice
19:04 bob80905: Yes!
19:04 Haganenno: I'd suggest to keep to spacing stuff doe
19:04 Haganenno: lemme find example and I will explain off that
19:05 Haganenno: ok there is a guy who has no time so I will try to help him first
19:06 bob80905: Ok, thanks
19:23 Haganenno: ok so
19:25 Haganenno: idea of your map is nice
19:25 Haganenno: but you should keep in mind
19:25 Haganenno: what kinda flow you want for what kinda objects
19:26 Haganenno: 00:16:235 (1,2,3) - 00:19:392 (1,2,3) - these sounds are all the same, yet flow very differently for some reason
19:27 Haganenno: 00:15:107 (4,5,6,7) - 00:18:265 (4,5,6,7) - same
19:27 Haganenno: they shouldnt be alike, but the spacing should be same and flow should be same between the same sounds
19:27 Haganenno: between same sounds that you are mapping*
19:28 bob80905: Well in the first case the reason they're different is because the vocal makes the second case a little different
19:28 bob80905: And in your second example you're saying that the pattern is too similar?
19:28 Haganenno: no, I'm saying that spacings differ
19:28 Haganenno: even though why are they
19:28 Haganenno: wait nvm
19:29 Haganenno: ok maybe that's a non-issue
19:30 bob80905: But, I'm still interested in understanding what you're thinking for future reference, I want to be a semi-pro mapper
19:30 Haganenno: you should want to be a max-pro mapper
19:30 Haganenno: anyway what I wanted to say was that
19:31 Haganenno: you should have some sorta thoughts about specific sounds
19:31 Haganenno: for example "I am going to emphasise this sound and this will always change the direction of the circular flow"
19:31 Haganenno: and then you map it
19:31 Haganenno: and the same sound comes up again
19:31 Haganenno: and you map it the same way
19:31 bob80905: Hmm, I didn't consider circular flow for that case... let's see
19:33 Haganenno: I didnt talk about a specific case
19:33 bob80905: Well, I can't really say there is any circular flow in the second example... But I understand what you mean.
19:33 Haganenno: I just gave an example what should be the thought process behind something you could call a concept
19:33 bob80905: Yeah, plan out how you want to emphasize what before mapping
19:33 Haganenno: no no, not necessarily before mapping the entire map
19:33 Haganenno: but before mapping that specific sound, yes
19:34 bob80905: Yeah, good to know. I got that advice, and chose to emphasize the third (loudest) piano sound by extending the distance a tiny bit more than the rest of the notes
19:34 Haganenno: for example what you could do in this map is
19:34 Haganenno: always go for one side of circular flow
19:34 Haganenno: lets say I will use this example
19:34 Haganenno: 00:53:001 (4,5,6,1) -
I don't understand this part at all. Just the circular flow part.19:34 Haganenno: you are going clockwise
19:34 Haganenno: and then emphasise jump to the slider (1)
19:34 Haganenno: which would change the path
19:35 Haganenno: OR you could change circular flow on the jump of 4 and then continue the same flow up until another set of jumps come in
19:35 Haganenno: many possibilities
19:35 Haganenno: just make sure they are consistent
19:36 bob80905: 00:53:452 (6) -
19:36 bob80905: At this instant is where I reverse circular flow, isn't that a good time to do so?
19:36 Haganenno: you changed circular flow on 00:53:001 (4) - and continued it until 00:54:580 (2) - . Well, what if you continue it till 00:57:964 (2) - ?
19:37 Haganenno: you dont reverse the circular flow, and you shouldnt do that really
19:37 Haganenno: it is ok
19:37 bob80905: O, ok
19:37 Haganenno: this is perfect circular flow and it doesnt change
19:37 Haganenno: watch -Mo-'s videos on circular flow
19:37 Haganenno: just binge watch all -Mo-'s vids for that matter
19:38 bob80905: never heard of him, ok
19:38 Haganenno: 00:58:189 (3,4) - 00:58:415 (4,5,6) - same spacing doe time between objects differs, this is rather confusing
19:38 Haganenno: he is p much a better version of pishi
19:39 bob80905: This is true^
19:39 Haganenno: 01:14:656 (2) - rather meh trying to fit something in when you dont do it, seemed like you had nowhere to place it
19:40 bob80905: accidentally logged out
19:40 bob80905: tried changing my skin :3
19:42 bob80905: Ok, I changed the distance thing a bit, thanks for noticing that
19:43 Haganenno: 01:25:708 (1,2,3) - this felt really eeeeh when playing
19:43 Haganenno: I see that ur trying to emphasise the piano
19:45 Haganenno: 01:34:956 (4,5,6,7) - looks weird
19:45 bob80905: So you think the first case should just be an entire slider, keeping consistent with the vocals, right?
19:46 Haganenno: P.S. your map isn't really rankable at this stage because of lack of structure and aesthetics, that's why I'm pointing out the most important things that will prolly benefit once you start a new map
19:46 Haganenno: well, it could be that, yes
19:46 Haganenno: 01:50:746 (4,5,6,7) - here the spacing is the same for all four notes, but you already said it yourself that 3rd is the strongest
19:46 Haganenno: it crescendos and then diminuendos
19:46 Haganenno: every note is different
19:47 Haganenno: map accordingly, and recommended, to a fixed distance snap for each object
19:47 Haganenno: 01:54:129 (3,5) - in this occasion you show like 01:54:129 (3,4,5) - 3 4 5 are all the same in intensity
19:47 Haganenno: and that is not the case
19:48 Haganenno: 02:20:294 (1) - out of context
19:48 Haganenno: dont sacrifice aesthethics for the sake of fitting into the mappable area
19:50 Haganenno: 02:40:370 (3,4) too low a spacing
I left this alone. I think it's ok.19:51 Haganenno: 02:58:641 (3,4,5) - weird aesthetics, weird spacing
19:52 Haganenno: 03:13:527 - you should start a two tick slider here
19:52 bob80905: with 2:40 isn't it fine? when I trace my cursor across it I find that the spacing is perfect
19:52 Haganenno: four-hit repeat sliders are meh
19:53 Haganenno: idk at least in my maps I always try to keep the movement going
19:53 Haganenno: this kinda stops the movement, there is barely anywhere to move
19:53 Haganenno: half a second to move so little
19:54 Haganenno: 03:30:896 (3,4) - this spacing is ok, but then after this leads 03:32:475 (1) - and it feels like
19:54 Haganenno: it should also be on red tick then
19:54 bob80905: yeah, 4 repeats are trash, I'll change that
19:54 Haganenno: so the spacing is similiar yet
19:54 Haganenno: the distance between objects differ by half
19:55 Haganenno: btw isnt this the same singer as the one who sang "Your soul, my beats!" ?
19:56 Haganenno: 04:04:054 (5) - seems like it could be mistaken to be on red tick also
19:56 Haganenno: 04:04:956 (1) - same
19:57 Haganenno: overall really many spacing weirdness
19:57 Haganenno: that makes you think why it is not closer
19:57 Haganenno: 04:18:039 - make a two tick slider here to show piano
19:58 Haganenno: ok I finished I guess