From my modding queue
13:21 Zxozmo: hello
13:21 Mombei: Oh, hi
13:21 Zxozmo: sorry bout my map
13:21 Zxozmo: but im ready whenever you are
13:22 Mombei: It would be better to get this over with as soon as possible
13:22 Zxozmo: ill just wait until you finish with your mods
13:22 Mombei: I had started, so I have a saved draft with some suggestions already
13:22 Zxozmo: thanks
13:23 Mombei: Let me fix up a couple of things and we may get started
13:23 Zxozmo: ok
13:24 Mombei: Okay then
13:24 Mombei: I only got as far as the first bit before the pause
13:24 Zxozmo: iim ready as well\
13:25 Mombei: 00:00:329 (1,2,3)
13:25 Mombei: 3 should blanket 1's sliderhead and be arranged as a triangle (1-2-3)
13:26 Zxozmo: ok done
13:26 Mombei: [https://puu.sh/wk8L9/01671e42f6.jpg this is what it would look like]
13:26 Zxozmo: ah yes
13:26 Mombei: Don't eyeball triangles, especially when you're going to build a lot of them
13:26 Zxozmo: should i also rotate is as well so that 3 doesnt lead into a dead zone?
13:27 Mombei: A way to make perfect triangles is to create 2 new circles that overlap perfectly 1 and 2 and rotate them by 60 degrees, and overlap again
13:27 Mombei: Then you'll have a placeholder for 3 that makes a perfect triangle
13:27 Mombei: rotate what?
13:27 Zxozmo: um
13:27 Zxozmo: 00:00:329 (1,2,3) -
13:28 Mombei: Why would you? Just make the placeholder the way I just explained and make 3 so it blankets 1
13:28 Zxozmo: ok then
13:29 Mombei: 00:01:328 (5) - It's probably better to make this slider just blanket 1 instead of overlapping it awkwardly [url=https://puu.sh/wk95x/aae2844ffe.jpg like this]
13:29 Mombei: Oh dammit
13:29 Mombei: That looks neat though
13:29 Mombei: You there?
13:29 Zxozmo: ye
13:30 Zxozmo: im trying to see where the slider tail of 2 went
13:30 Zxozmo: sorry
13:30 Zxozmo: i meant 1
13:30 Mombei: 00:01:828 (6) - With the new 5 if you just ctrlG this it looks good and plays fine, so do that
13:30 Mombei: 1's slidertail position doesn't matter, it's already faded
13:30 Zxozmo: ah
13:31 Mombei: 00:02:662 (9,1) - bring your stack leniency down to like, 3 (in the song setup, last tab) and overlap these
13:32 Zxozmo: ok done
13:32 Mombei: Also, you should delete 1 and use a flipped copy of 00:02:328 (8) instead
13:32 Mombei: Move 9 and 1 so that the slidertail overlaps with 00:01:828 (6)'s head and blankets 8 too, like [https://puu.sh/wk9fZ/0ed57d5d48.jpg this]
13:32 Zxozmo: ok
13:33 Mombei: 00:02:995 (1,2,3,4,5) - This pattern is better arranged like the previous one. [https://puu.sh/wk9BE/159a663eb8.jpg sketch]
13:33 Mombei: That's as far as I had gotten, from there I guess 6 would have to be fixed
13:35 Mombei: I'm thinking something like [https://puu.sh/wlECS/89416c391a.jpg this]
13:35 Mombei: Dude wth
13:36 Zxozmo: sorry
13:36 Zxozmo: router crashed
13:36 Zxozmo: anyways i did what you asked me
13:36 Mombei: I was saying
13:36 Mombei: I'm thinking something like [https://puu.sh/wlECS/89416c391a.jpg this] for 6
13:37 Zxozmo: ah thats nice
13:37 Mombei: You probably want to make it look as close to 00:01:828 (6,7,8,9) - as possible
13:37 Mombei: And just repeat that arrangement for the rest of the section
13:38 Mombei: It probably requires some replacement, it's not something that can be done with just tweaking around
13:38 Zxozmo: how about hitcircles?
13:38 Mombei: Mh?
13:38 Zxozmo: to change some of the sliders
13:39 Mombei: I don't understand what you're attempting to convey to me
13:39 Zxozmo: 00:02:328 (8) -
13:40 Zxozmo: replacing it with hitcricles instead of the usual slider?
13:40 Zxozmo: something like that
13:40 Mombei: I mean, you could do that, but why would you?
13:41 Zxozmo: i dont mean it like change it there
13:41 Zxozmo: for the other parts
13:41 Mombei: Again
13:41 Mombei: You could do that, but why would you?
13:41 Zxozmo: ah
13:44 Mombei: Well
13:44 Mombei: Pretty much the same applies to everything else after that
13:44 Zxozmo: im doing the same changes before the first break
13:45 Mombei: You need to consider more how objects play into each other
13:45 Mombei: And have a reason to change the flow
13:45 Mombei: A reason to use different spacings
13:45 Mombei: A reason to arrange objects a certain way
13:45 Mombei: What you lack is a criteria behind object placement
13:45 Zxozmo: how can i change that?
13:45 Mombei: If I just told you "make this pattern like this" you wouldn't get anything out of it
13:46 Mombei: Honestly, it's the same as getting better
13:46 Mombei: play more
13:46 Mombei: map more
13:46 Mombei: Focus on it
13:46 Mombei: Prioritize flow until it's second nature
13:46 Mombei: You got rhythm down pretty well
13:46 Mombei: Now practice object placement
13:46 Zxozmo: is it possible for me to use how other maps flow into each other?
13:46 Mombei: Flow is a pretty vague and general concept
13:47 Mombei: It's more about comfortable and uncomfortable movement
13:47 Zxozmo: pishifat?
13:47 Mombei: Yeah, that
13:47 Mombei: A good rule of thumb is to use comfortable movement unless you have a reason not to
13:47 Zxozmo: what are those reasons tho?
13:47 Mombei: A sound that stands out a lot, perhaps
13:48 Mombei: Or maybe a repetition of the same section
13:48 *Mombei is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1291493 Daniel Ingram - My Little Pony Theme Song]
13:48 Zxozmo: i see
13:48 Mombei: This is the map I used to practice circular flow
13:49 *Mombei is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1317729 Fractal Dreamers - Fortuna Redux [Extra]]
13:49 Zxozmo: ill try it
13:49 Mombei: And with this I've been practicing streams
13:49 Mombei: Making neat streams is tougher than it looks
13:50 Zxozmo: ill keep that in mind if i decide to make streams
13:51 Mombei: Sometimes it's good to get inspiration from other mappers
13:51 Mombei: For example
13:51 *Mombei is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1301681 Daniel Ingram - My Little Pony Theme Song [Insane]]
13:51 Mombei: 00:12:589 (2,3,4,5) - Seen these anywhere?
13:52 Zxozmo: i havent mapped that long that i havent seen those types of patterns yet
13:53 Zxozmo: one last question
13:53 Zxozmo: do you use silders for streams?
13:53 Mombei: Of course
13:53 Mombei: No sane man handdraws their streams
13:53 *Mombei is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/869222 BABYMETAL - Road of Resistance [Rebellion]]
13:53 Zxozmo: but some people dont though?
13:54 Mombei: 01:35:007 (1,2,3,4) -
13:54 Mombei: The people that don't can't have neat streams unless they spend an unreasonable amount of time drawing them
13:54 Mombei: Using sliders is just better
13:54 Zxozmo: ok ok
13:55 Zxozmo: also
13:55 *Zxozmo is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1317729 Fractal Dreamers - Fortuna Redux [Extra]]
13:55 Zxozmo: how did you make those streams with different spacing
13:55 Mombei: By using different sliders
13:55 Mombei: You don't make the whole stream with just one slider
13:55 Mombei: Otherwise shaping them would be painful
13:56 Zxozmo: and when is a good idea to expand or shorten the streams?
13:56 Mombei: That's usually based on the instensity of the song
13:57 Mombei: A lot of the time it's also just for variation
13:57 Mombei: Whether that's correct varies from case to case though
13:57 Zxozmo: how?
13:57 Mombei: I just told you - it's case dependent
13:57 Zxozmo: ah
13:57 Mombei: You'd have to look at the map to see if it actually fits
13:58 Zxozmo: hmm like drumrolls?
13:58 Mombei: I suppose
13:59 Zxozmo: thanks
13:59 Zxozmo: ill get to mapping once im done taking a break
13:59 Mombei: I guess I'll post this as an IRC mod
13:59 Mombei: Sorry again for the delay