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The Chainsmokers & Coldplay - Something Just Like This

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dqs01733
hey COOL maps 8-) 8-)
Tarrasky
fanzher can do an empty kiai but graves can't use a cigar? bullshit
Pachiru
Indeed, as Arusamour said, the concept of letters, question marks, constellations, etc, is a very good idea, but seriously, the second kiai is very undermapped. The kiai is a set on a repetitive sound, and the way he mapped it is very random to be honest. He mapped some beats that sometimes are not mapped in the next section. For instance this part: 02:09:013 (1) - and here: 02:18:334 (1) - there is not the same mapping pattern, even if it gets more intense on the second part, why on the first part I mentionned is undermapped?

Maybe he has his own decision for making it like this, but to me it looks more like a lazy kiai.
Sorry to you fanzhen if it wasn't the case tho. I think that this kiai is the biggest problem of the difficulty IMO
melloe
i'm certainly biased because fanzhen is my favorite mapper, but here's how my experience with the map went, especially with the controversial second kiai.

when i first watched him map it on stream i was honestly kind of skeptical just because of how undermapped it was
but when i played it, i noticed how sparse the entire map felt. some parts were more concerned with the lyrics than the music, and i of course don't have to mention the second kiai and the third "kiai."

but then the last kiai hit, and the sheer force of it took me by surprise. of course i had, on a visceral level, adjusted to the sparseness of musical expression over the previous 3 minutes of the map, and the completely unrestrained translation of the music into mapping form (coupled with the newly introduced guitars) drew an emotion out of me that was close to triumph. it was probably the most satisfied i ever felt playing a map, at least in recent memory. the second kiai was instrumental in that experience.

was this done on purpose? i don't know, and it doesn't matter.
is this a technique that can be thrown onto anything? definitely not; it requires a song like this to work. you can't undermap the 2nd kiai of a camellia bass noisefest and expect the 3rd kiai to feel the same way this one did.
people make fun of the chainsmokers for chord progressions and melodies that indicate zero creativity, and the criticism is definitely justified, but there still is an electric subtlety of emotion that can be found here that can be found in few other songs on this website -- and even if they exist, they haven't been drawn out and utilized in the way fanzhen does here.

the map obviously isn't the most polished map ever uploaded (01:54:450 (1) - lol), but that's my experience with the map and why i support the 2nd kiai

@pw834 it's actually kinda interesting to compare it to John cage's 4'33" but I don't think they're quite related. 4'33" is about silence (and the ambient noises that lay underneath it) whereas fanzhens 2nd kiai isn't quite silence. The 3rd kiai maybe though
toybot

Tarrasky wrote:

fanzher can do an empty kiai but graves can't use a cigar? bullshit
hey now he can
VINXIS
index finger on the left
middle finger on the right

tongue in the middle
Shiirn
Guys.

Guys.

It's one thing to go.


"Hey, wouldn't it be cool to undermap a nearly identical section so that I can bring increased emphasis to the subtle differences?"


It's another to go

"Fuck mapping the second kiai let's just have a few clicks on the spots where there are tiny differences and see if people are blinded enough by my reputation to defend this disgusting decision"


One is smart mapping.


The other is being a pretentious twat.

And if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.


Stop attributing musical and artistic genius to a fucking joke gone way too far. It's pathetic.
Doyak
Hello everyone. Seems we need more discussion on fanzhen's Insane before moving this forward again. Make sure to reply to all the mods first.

In my personal opinion, I completely agree with that there's no good reason to justify the second kiai being composed 180-degree different way. Some people did say the song has "minor difference", so why does the map itself have "super major difference" to indicate such minor things? You also have to consider that the Hard is much harder on that part and this ruins the spread for the entire second kiai.

Additionally, I'd give my opinion on some other things as well:

@Hard: AR 6.5 seems a little too low, mainly because the map sometimes uses wide 1/2 spacings and even widely-spaced 1/4s. Furthermore, the spacing changes quite frequently so it requires quite a bit of AR reading, therefore I suggest increasing it a little.

@Regou
01:07:848 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 02:03:771 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really don't get this. Many notes are on non-existent sound and they're even heavily emphasized by jumps. I don't think the music supports this kind of rhythm emphasis at all. Like how are you going to justify 01:08:358 (2) - 01:09:450 (2) - 01:09:814 (4) - 01:10:033 (6) - , even when very obvious sounds like 01:06:392 - 01:07:557 - are just slow, passive beats?

03:16:586 (1,2,1) - 03:17:751 (1,2,1) - 03:21:246 (1,2,1) - 03:22:411 (1,2,1) - etc, basically same issue. The notes in the middle looks really forced just to create an intense movement, while the actual strong beats you hear are the other red/white tick sounds. They create active beats that do not exist in the music. There are many other ways to represent the actual strong beats.
Kawashiro
rip fanzhen
VINXIS
for the record it proly took less effort to make the 1st kiai than it did for him 2 make the 2nd kiai but ye



: P
Renumi

Shiirn wrote:

"Fuck mapping the second kiai let's just have a few clicks on the spots where there are tiny differences and see if people are blinded enough by my reputation to defend this disgusting decision"


One is smart mapping.


The other is being a pretentious twat.

And if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.
cosmic
omg Fanzhen invented basic slider art and unnecessary under mapping!!1!1!! Pure Genius!
melloe
tldr at bottom

i never called him a genius and i wouldnt call this map genius either, it's just something new and interesting that, surprisingly, works -- for me. so of course i'm fond of it, especially since i dont remember anything doing something similar. even if fanzhen disowns the kiai and calls it a joke, i'll always still like it for what it is, regardless of who mapped it.

i also don't think there are actually any significant differences, musically, between the first and second kiai; to be completely honest, i dont even hear any. it's not really consistent mapping to map the 2nd kiai this way and the 1st kiai that way, but as long as the mapping works a certain way, it doesn't need to be consistent. in fact, handsome's second section (the part of the music where fanzhen's kiai is) is mapped a bit differently from the other sections, and some of the sliders are mapped to exactly nothing in order to emphasize that nothingness, but nobody is complaining about that, except to bring it up once or twice during the modding process and then leave it alone afterwards. complaints about fanzhen's kiai aren't complaints of principle, but of degree, which i've always felt are unproductive, limiting, and way too arbitrary. "if he's only this inconsistent, it's okay. but if he's THIS inconsistent, that's just unacceptable."

even if you ignore the way the 2nd kiai contrasts with the 4th kiai, the 2nd kiai in effect does the same thing as handsome's map, which is express the music in 2 different ways and thus make the player see the same music from 2 angles. the first angle is obviously mapped to the synth, which is the most obvious mapping choice. the second angle is to express the percussive minimalism of the music which exists not in a vacuum, but which affects the feeling of the music as a whole, and the percussive minimalism in Something Just Like This is important to how the song feels. obviously some exaggeration is used to more effectively convey that aspect of the music, but exaggeration is everywhere in mapping ("extremely sʟᴏᴡ and ꓕS∀ᖵ SV is the source of ᑕᖇᙓᗩTᓰᐯᓰT૪," for instance) this is just a different method of exaggeration, and unsurprisingly, the knee-jerk reaction to any kind of difference is rejection.

the only real hard-and-fast rule of mapping is that it works. mappers have created a bunch of guidelines that we follow 99.9% of the time because there's generally no reason not to. map to the music, map consistently, have difficulty represent intensity. other well known guidelines followed less frequently: have "good flow," avoid "unjustified" difficulty spikes, etc.. but people forget that all these guidelines are derivations of the first rule, which is make sure it works. they cling to these guidelines 100% of the time instead of ~99% of the time as they should be, so if something comes along that violates these guidelines while actually working, they label it bad and shuffle along.

i'll be the first to say that great mappers everywhere are still churning out cool maps even today, but mapping really has been stagnating a little bit recently. so of course i'm glad that something interesting and new that works on several levels (one i've detailed here, and the other in my previous post) has come along, and of course i would like it to be ranked. but i've said my piece and you may now continue calling me pretentious without saying anything actually substantive, or whatever else suits your fancy. it's up to you guys to determine the possibilities and limitations of mapping now, have at it

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product


tl;dr:
fanzhen's 1st and 2nd kiai makes you look at the music two different ways
1: synth, which is the most obvious choice
2: the fact that the music is low bpm, uses little percussion, and thus can be and is heard as a slow, relaxing song. which it is.

it also contrasts with the 4th kiai, because the whole map is relatively undermapped but the 4th kiai isn't, so the 4th kiai is extra satisfying. the 2nd kiai is extra undermapped which makes the contrast even stronger

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
Regou
you know what, i don't have particular reasons of making anything so even I can't understand what I'm doing sometimes. what I make at last is actually something made under random trials and I feel like it *might* work. anyway, let's try to get things explained here

Doyak wrote:

@Regou
01:07:848 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - 02:03:771 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I really don't get this. Many notes are on non-existent sound and they're even heavily emphasized by jumps. I don't think the music supports this kind of rhythm emphasis at all. Like how are you going to justify 01:08:358 (2) - 01:09:450 (2) - 01:09:814 (4) - 01:10:033 (6) - , even when very obvious sounds like 01:06:392 - 01:07:557 - are just slow, passive beats? I removed those 1/4 and it should make more sense now. I also used new patterns. yet, I kept 01:08:358 (2) - because I think it would make a better linkage between 01:07:848 (1) - and those slider patterns.

03:16:586 (1,2,1) - 03:17:751 (1,2,1) - 03:21:246 (1,2,1) - 03:22:411 (1,2,1) - etc, basically same issue. The notes in the middle looks really forced just to create an intense movement, while the actual strong beats you hear are the other red/white tick sounds. They create active beats that do not exist in the music. There are many other ways to represent the actual strong beats. you're like telling me to remap the whole chorus. the whole point of this part is to emphasize the intensity of the music through movement and I like this concept a lot. The feeling of this part would be so much different, let's not to use the word "worse" here, if those notes is being removed. They also shows the articulation in the music is much stronger in this last chorus, creating contrast with the 1st and the 2nd chorus therefore I think this might work. The notes added are to reflect articulations but not to create beat.
tyty
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335,95,227169,2,0,B|281:132|281:132|189:126,1,127.4999977112,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
3,3,227460,1,2,0:1:0:0:
3,3,227751,6,0,B|61:30|61:30|102:113,1,127.4999977112,2|2,0:1|0:2,0:0:0:0:
335,95,228042,2,0,B|281:132|281:132|189:126,1,127.4999977112,10|0,0:1|0:0,0:0:0:0:
101,330,228334,2,0,B|95:265|95:265|146:188,1,127.4999977112,2|2,0:1|0:2,0:0:0:0:
246,343,228625,6,0,P|334:361|372:368,1,127.4999928474,8|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
512,282,229208,6,0,B|480:207|407:191|407:191|371:242|409:307,1,254.9999954224,10|2,0:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
512,282,229644,1,0,0:0:0:0:
382,40,229790,6,0,B|299:35|327:59|238:50,1,127.4999928474,8|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
171,122,230373,6,0,P|89:137|134:23,1,254.9999954224,10|2,0:1|0:1,0:0:0:0:
171,122,230809,1,0,0:0:0:0:
24,268,230955,6,0,B|136:262|89:309|191:305,1,169.9999904633,8|0,1:3|3:0,0:0:0:0:
298,231,231392,1,0,3:0:0:0:
298,231,231538,2,0,P|258:225|206:218,1,84.99999523163,10|2,0:1|1:0,0:0:0:0:
410,349,232120,5,4,3:0:0:0:
432,269,232266,1,0,3:0:0:0:
432,269,232339,1,0,3:0:0:0:
432,269,232411,1,0,3:0:0:0:
448,184,232557,1,8,3:0:0:0:
384,12,232703,6,0,P|393:65|402:134,1,84.99999761581,10|0,1:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
448,184,232994,2,0,P|388:124|280:140,1,169.9999952316,2|0,1:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
307,124,233576,1,0,0:0:0:0:
Pachiru

melloe wrote:

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
there is a difference between a lazy undermapping, and a bad mapping.
moreover, some mappers like undeadcapulet or hw that do something different and unfamiliar, and it's good, but the fanzhen's diff is not like this. there is good concepts with sliders indeed, now lets see what fanzhen will do with changes!
melloe

Pachiru wrote:

there is a difference between a lazy undermapping, and a bad mapping.
moreover, some mappers like undeadcapulet or hw that do something different and unfamiliar, and it's good, but the fanzhen's diff is not like this. there is good concepts with sliders indeed, now lets see what fanzhen will do with changes!
if it's lazy undermapping, it's lazy undermapping that works. if it works, nothing else matters.

melloe wrote:

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product
it might be bad mapping, but then you would have to explain why it's bad. i already explained why i think it's good
_handholding

Shiirn wrote:

if you defend this shit, you're also a pretentious twat.
A tier 2 BN nominated this map so it is, by definition, objectively good
Shiirn


For what it's worth, I personally don't think fanzhen's difficulty warranted a DQ. It's rankable. Opinions and reactions to choices are a couple of the major reasons I map as well. But there's a limit.
cosmic

melloe wrote:

tldr at bottom

i never called him a genius and i wouldnt call this map genius either, it's just something new and interesting that, surprisingly, works -- for me. so of course i'm fond of it, especially since i dont remember anything doing something similar. even if fanzhen disowns the kiai and calls it a joke, i'll always still like it for what it is, regardless of who mapped it.

i also don't think there are actually any significant differences, musically, between the first and second kiai; to be completely honest, i dont even hear any. it's not really consistent mapping to map the 2nd kiai this way and the 1st kiai that way, but as long as the mapping works a certain way, it doesn't need to be consistent. in fact, handsome's second section (the part of the music where fanzhen's kiai is) is mapped a bit differently from the other sections, and some of the sliders are mapped to exactly nothing in order to emphasize that nothingness, but nobody is complaining about that, except to bring it up once or twice during the modding process and then leave it alone afterwards. complaints about fanzhen's kiai aren't complaints of principle, but of degree, which i've always felt are unproductive, limiting, and way too arbitrary. "if he's only this inconsistent, it's okay. but if he's THIS inconsistent, that's just unacceptable."

even if you ignore the way the 2nd kiai contrasts with the 4th kiai, the 2nd kiai in effect does the same thing as handsome's map, which is express the music in 2 different ways and thus make the player see the same music from 2 angles. the first angle is obviously mapped to the synth, which is the most obvious mapping choice. the second angle is to express the percussive minimalism of the music which exists not in a vacuum, but which affects the feeling of the music as a whole, and the percussive minimalism in Something Just Like This is important to how the song feels. obviously some exaggeration is used to more effectively convey that aspect of the music, but exaggeration is everywhere in mapping ("extremely sʟᴏᴡ and ꓕS∀ᖵ SV is the source of ᑕᖇᙓᗩTᓰᐯᓰT૪," for instance) this is just a different method of exaggeration, and unsurprisingly, the knee-jerk reaction to any kind of difference is rejection.

the only real hard-and-fast rule of mapping is that it works. mappers have created a bunch of guidelines that we follow 99.9% of the time because there's generally no reason not to. map to the music, map consistently, have difficulty represent intensity. other well known guidelines followed less frequently: have "good flow," avoid "unjustified" difficulty spikes, etc.. but people forget that all these guidelines are derivations of the first rule, which is make sure it works. they cling to these guidelines 100% of the time instead of ~99% of the time as they should be, so if something comes along that violates these guidelines while actually working, they label it bad and shuffle along.

i'll be the first to say that great mappers everywhere are still churning out cool maps even today, but mapping really has been stagnating a little bit recently. so of course i'm glad that something interesting and new that works on several levels (one i've detailed here, and the other in my previous post) has come along, and of course i would like it to be ranked. but i've said my piece and you may now continue calling me pretentious without saying anything actually substantive, or whatever else suits your fancy. it's up to you guys to determine the possibilities and limitations of mapping now, have at it

also it's silly to think that mapping is automatically bad just because it's low effort, or even if it was by mistake. mapping is an art but mapping isn't high art like film or literature, intention of creator doesn't come into play. all that matters is the end product


tl;dr:
fanzhen's 1st and 2nd kiai makes you look at the music two different ways
1: synth, which is the most obvious choice
2: the fact that the music is low bpm, uses little percussion, and thus can be and is heard as a slow, relaxing song. which it is.

it also contrasts with the 4th kiai, because the whole map is relatively undermapped but the 4th kiai isn't, so the 4th kiai is extra satisfying. the 2nd kiai is extra undermapped which makes the contrast even stronger

this is different mapping, and just because it's different and unfamiliar, people will think it's bad. this is always what happens
i was just responding to the map itself and not you specifically, I don't mean to reject your opinion, I just think, that the concepts are there, but for me personally, they were done pretty lazily, and just don't feel right. I think it's cool to do new, interesting things, but this definitely felt more like it was mostly purposed to grab attention versus actually represent the song. But, that's just me.
melloe

cosmiccc wrote:

i was just responding to the map itself and not you specifically, I don't mean to reject your opinion, I just think, that the concepts are there, but for me personally, they were done pretty lazily, and just don't feel right. I think it's cool to do new, interesting things, but this definitely felt more like it was mostly purposed to grab attention versus actually represent the song. But, that's just me.
i was talking more to shiirn, gratuitous hostility annoys me.

that's fine that you have your opinion, i dont think the map is perfect either. but personally i think this actually adheres to the music more closely and more interestingly than all other maps. the song really is kind of chill, and fanzhen's map is the only one that says "hey there's a lot going on but remember this is kind of a relaxing song too," and then maps just the snare drums

and for the record i'm actually not a big fan of the slider shapes correlating to the lyrics, and some of the resulting patterns. when mapping, lyrics are the least important part of the song imo. however, it's a viable mapping choice, and it's his map, not mine, so i'm not going to bother complaining about it.

Shiirn wrote:

But there's a limit.
but where is it? and how do we decide that? this is why i dislike arguments of degree. "you're doing something right, but do it less" is a strange statement to me. but i guess discussions of degrees are a better conversation than full out shitting on a map without considering what it's doing and how
Shiirn
The limit is defined by social conventions and the comparison between intents of the mapper against the desires of the community.


If you think that that limit has not been made abundantly clear here, you are beyond help.
melloe
good one

when you have a hard time getting something ranked you get to act all victim-y and high-and-mighty noble, and throw around lengthy, exhausted elegies about how a map is doing something right but people just don't get it, but now that you find something you can casually dislike you get to throw around careless words like that?

if a map is good it should be ranked. the limit set by the "desires of the community" is an artificial, arbitrary, and ill-informed one. if they dislike it so much it doesn't get ranked that's fine because that's how the system works, but that's on them and not the map
aesu

VINXIS wrote:

for the record it proly took less effort to make the 1st kiai than it did for him 2 make the 2nd kiai but ye



: P
Enon
lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
Est-

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
sick meme
Kawashiro

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
:thinking:
Joe Castle

Enon wrote:

lol how about just wait fanzhen's respond
That's... That's a spicy mehmeh
7ambda

Kisses wrote:

A tier 2 BN nominated this map so it is, by definition, objectively subjectively good
Topic Starter
hehe
quick update

Natteke desu
lo when mapping only one thing in the trak became special???????????????


i like kiais and touhou
Ryuusei Aika
"I want something just like this"
Topic Starter
hehe
updated
Vovan
Feedback for the new fanzhen's Insane :

  1. 00:11:343 (2) - I don't understand why these short sliders are here, that use 2 time the hitsound (beginning & end of the slider) and that don't look really pleasant and that don't follow the song very well in my opinion, please consider adding circles instead of sliders.
    If you apply, same here : - 00:12:800 (1) -
    - 00:15:130 (1) -
    - 00:25:907 (3) -
    - 01:25:907 (4) -
    - 01:40:470 (3) -
  2. 00:24:159 (5) - Remove the clap at the end and add a clap at the beginning of the next slider, it will follow what you did here : 00:17:751 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - and the song by itself.
  3. 00:34:644 (3) - Maybe add a whistle here to follow the previous sliders, this beat feels a bit empty
  4. 00:44:693 - There is nothing on this beat, so I think a circle is more appropriated than a slider in this case
  5. 00:51:101 (4) - Same thing for this circle, he isn't on the music, maybe remove it ?
  6. 01:00:421 (4) - Same ^
  7. 01:06:101 (1,2,3) - Really nice pattern, Just maybe add some timing points at the end of the sliders at 5% volume, it will give the impression that there's no sound at the end and it will emphasize a lot the beginning of the sliders. I think that's really better like that and If you apply it, don't forget to apply it on other patterns like this one !
  8. 01:49:207 (3) - whistle ?
  9. 01:59:110 (6) - The end is not following the music, maybe replace it by a circle
  10. 02:50:372 (1,1) - You can improve this blanket
  11. 02:57:363 - I don't think that's a kiai o.o
  12. I just love the last kiai ! Great job ! that insane is clearly better :D Just for the last kiai I think you can improve some sounds, like the triplets on 1/8, I couldn't hear a sound on them and that's a shame :c, just adding some sound/volume on them could be perfect !
P.S : Regou's Insane don't have kiais .-.

Good luck for the next :D
pw384
just mentioning, 03:22:994 (3) - missing newcombo on fanzhen's new insane
Einja
insane diff (handsome's)
01:28:819 (1) -
Frostium
od 7 on insane, od 9 on fanzhen, od 7.5 on regou, then od 9 on master.
consider making things have a bit more spread? although i do think od9 on insane is allowed, its just extremely unusual and od 9 is almost always for an extra.
Kibbleru
irc'd the added diff

SPOILER
07:38 Kibbleru: 00:18:916 (1) - before u always placed the slider near the previous circles, but this one is just far away
07:38 Kibbleru: 00:27:072 (2,3,4,5) - could try some ascending spacing here for the increase in pitch
07:38 Kibbleru: actually that wudnt b very consistentnvm
07:39 Kibbleru: 00:45:130 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - the J lmfao
07:40 handsome: hell yea
07:40 Kibbleru: uhhhhhhh
07:40 Kibbleru: 01:28:819 (1) -
07:41 Kibbleru: LOL
07:41 Kibbleru: great speedmap bruh
07:41 handsome: Yeee
07:42 Kibbleru: 01:50:373 - intended whistle? or no
07:42 handsome: uh kinda
07:42 Kibbleru: 02:07:266 (1) - pretty sure offscreen
07:42 handsome: yet
07:42 handsome: yeet
07:44 Kibbleru: 03:24:159 (1,2,3,4,5) - i think this is kinda hard
07:44 Kibbleru: same with the other ones
Topic Starter
hehe


applied everything from nozhomi
Nozhomi
smth for Insane

  1. 01:33:479 (1) - would forget the blanket and curve it on the other side to get better flow with 01:34:644 (2) - https://puu.sh/wMExN/d60b7e3992.png
  2. 01:39:305 (2,3,4,5,6) - / 01:41:635 (2,3,4,5) - spacing increased a lot here but became smaller on a more intense section 01:43:965 - . Smth with a spacing who increase with music would fit more here instead of directly smth way bigger and constant.
  3. 01:45:712 (1,2,3,4) - I would more regroup 01:45:712 (1,2,3) - with same spacing and doing the jump between 01:46:877 (3,4) - because vocal beat on 01:47:460 - is way stronger than 01:46:877 - .
  4. 01:50:373 - Forget soft addition.
  5. 02:00:276 (1,2,3) - Imo that kind of spacing is a bit overkill, also strange considering you change it after for 02:00:858 (1,2,3,4,1) - .
  6. 02:02:023 (2,3,2,3,2,3) - and other should share the same spacing no ? Because right now I don't get it why 02:02:023 (2,3) - spacing is so different, and inonsistent with 02:11:343 (2,3) - . Same for other.
  7. 03:18:916 (2,3,1) - Spacing hi~
  8. 03:52:703 (1,2,3) - Don't perfect stack them pls thx.
Also not fan of AR8.6 on both other Insane tbh. Feels a bit low.
Hf.

Mukyu~
Realazy
fanzhen diff

03:33:625 (4,5) - these shouldn't be 5% volume they're barely audible
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