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M2U - Magnolia (feat. Guriri)

posted 2017-05-09T20:12:36+00:00

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PandaHero

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-06-25T17:35:57+00:00

-Mo- wrote:

I think as long as you keep it consistent and clearly make it different at the start of the section, it's perfectly playable even for lower levels. The rhythm repeats several times during this section so players will definitely condition themselves to this rhythm. Currently when I playtested this I could definitely hear feel the off rhythm and it just didn't feel right to play at all.

Okay, I got your point, let's try it. Thank you for explanation ~

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Magnolia
Artist:M2U feat. Guriri
ArtistUnicode:M2U feat. Guriri
Creator:Su1fu7
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squirrelpascals

982 posts

Joined March 2015

squirrelpascals 2017-06-29T23:33:23+00:00

Hi, first mod as a bn! No kd since i've modded this before and am checking back in on it again

Collab Xtreme

• 00:04:762 (1) - Although there is a sv change here you are mapping to the strings intensity throughout the intro anyways, I think it would be better to remove this nc and follow the 4/4 nc pattern

• 00:21:637 (1,2) - Why is this a stack compared to these here 00:19:574 (4,5,1) - Make this 1/4 spacing more consistent plz

• 00:32:137 - If your mapping to piano here I think that its better if you dont skip over this note

• 00:46:012 (1,2) - 00:49:012 (1,2) - not spaced very consistently, but ctrl+g on 00:49:762 (2) - can fix this

• 00:52:574 (2,3,4,5) - 00:55:574 (2,3) - Why do you represent this same string pattern differently here?

• 01:09:262 (1,2) - Sounds like it should just be one hold rhythm here. Dont hear a distinguishable beat on the second slider, this sound kind of blends together

• 01:12:074 (3,1) - Don't see a reason for this to be spaced so big compared to 01:11:887 (2,3) - and 01:12:262 (1,2,3,4) -

• 01:21:262 (6) - Not a big fan of this kickslider being here because it makes these kicksliders 01:20:887 (4,5,7) - lose significance by representing such a weaker sound. A circle or something would be better here

• 01:22:387 - Random unused sv point

• 01:22:293 (1,1) - You're not consistent in what sv you chose to represent what sound here. Oen slider is fast while the other is slow, even though that same note plays. Same thing at 01:28:293 (1,1) -

• 01:27:449 (2) - vs 01:39:450 (1,2,3) - Same concept here, you represent the same sounds here but in one part you use a slider, int he other you use a stream. The stream sounds like it works better to represent 01:27:543 - imo

• 01:48:637 (4) - This slider doesnt look like it fits in with this pattern of curved sliders 01:47:512 (1,2,3) -

• 01:46:012 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1) - I feel like your rhythm choice is very bland because of the sort of 1/2 slider spam. The vocals or strings have much more potential to add some more interest rhythm variety here. That being said, for 01:49:762 (3,4) - I think this sound is better as represented as a 1/2 slider because the note on circle 4 is very weak.

Marianna

• 00:13:762 - 50% hitsound volume doesnt really sound like it fits here because this bass is much louder compared to the intro before. With that being said, make it louer

• 00:15:074 (3,1) - Why did you map this same snare differently here? This makes the kickslider feel very out of place and kind of random, would recommend a circle instead

• 00:21:637 (5) - If this slider is mapped to the strings, I would recommend ending it at 00:22:105 - instead because the note ends on the next red tick. ALso, 00:22:012 (1) - doesnt sound that strong for a circle at all

• 00:30:824 (4,1) - The spacing here seems very overdone for a calm part of the song. its about a half screen jump even though the note is quiet

• 00:35:512 (1,2,1,2) - these 1,2 jumps feel really really random here, cant find what you were trying to represent with 00:35:699 (2,2) -

• 00:50:887 - Feels strange how you skipped this note because of how you've been previously mapping to it. It looks like you tried to use the corner of teh slider to represent that but its unnoticable because the player wont follow the slider that specifially

• 00:56:887 (2,3,4,5,2,3,4,5) - These overlaps feel inconsistent with how you choose to represent the same notes with spacing and jumps in the rest of this section. Seems appropriate at 01:03:074 (1) - though (It's also better how you did this throughout the entire part of 01:58:012 - )

• 01:26:512 (1,2,3,4) - I dont mind this pattern choice in general, but i feel like the overly detailed sliders on 01:26:887 (3,4) - really take away from it aesthetically because it discontinues the smooth curve you had going at 01:26:512 (1,2) - and just makes the aesthetic overall feel overly done.

• 01:34:387 (1,2) - the 1/8 sliders dont feel applicable here since the sound itself doesnt feel that abrupt. It also breaks players expectations from the repetitive use of kicksliders before

• 01:36:074 (1,1) - fix blanket? Also, why the random nc on 01:36:074 (1) - ?

• 01:37:012 - Around here you start switching between 4 and 2 beat combos kind of randomly. To make this consistent with the first kiai, using an nc on 01:37:762 (5,5,5) - would fix this

• 01:37:387 (3,4) - Why is this mapped differnty from 01:40:387 (1,2) - ? Would recommend the kicksliders because of what I explained at 01:34:387 (1,2) - but you don't seem to have a set time for when to use what sliders

• 01:52:574 (3,4,5,6,7) - These jumps feel overexaggerated for mapping just to the hi hats. Also, why did you stop mapping to the vocals entirely for this part?

Finshie

• 00:36:637 - Looks like you skipped a beat here, also mapped to this at 00:34:012 (1,3,5) -

• 00:46:574 (2,3,4,5) - The doubles on dont feel really applicable here, i only really hear the 1/1 vocal pattern, nothing really on the red ticks. Also at 00:51:074 (4,5) -

• 01:15:262 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - vs. 01:12:262 (3,4,5,6) - Looks like an inconsistency here. Why did you choose to map one of these sections with triples while you chose to map the others with kicksliders?

• 01:31:012 (1,2) - Why did you chose to overlap these in particular? Feels kind of like you do this out of nowhere, spacing this would

• 01:42:262 (1,2,1) - I don't feel like the repeat sliders fit that well here because you dont really hear any distinguishable beat on those 1/8 ticks, it instead sounds like one continuous sound. If you want to keep the kind of stop in flow, mapping this with slow slider or something would work too

The map is fun but there are some rhythm/consistency issues that I think can still be improved. I hope to see this in ranked someday though, good luck!

Last edited by squirrelpascals 2017-06-30T07:13:27+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

dsco

287 posts

Joined April 2014

dsco 2017-06-30T03:27:42+00:00

easy
00:06:637 (3) - spacing error?
00:52:012 (1) - should end on white tick
00:59:137 (3,5) - too close
01:03:074 (3) - should be like 3px lower
01:40:387 (2,3,4) - gradual increase
01:52:012 (1) - til 01:56:887 (4) - why 1.0x now? i would just keep 1.1x
i think you should introduce 1/2 a bit more in the easy

normal
00:41:512 (3,4,5) - straight instead of slightly angled?
00:40:762 (2,5) - can overlap (otherwise space completely)
00:46:762 (1) - remove NC
00:52:012 (1) - starting here you have too many rhythmic differences from combo to combo
01:08:324 (1) - end of spinner should be clickable
01:19:574 (2) - bad rhythm, something should be snapped to 01:20:137
01:21:262 (5) - dont think this needs to repeat
overall the kiai is DRASTICALLY more rhythmically dense than the rest of the map, i think the rest should be a bit more difficult to match
01:26:137 (4,5,6,7) - rhythm might be too difficult for normal diff
01:43:574 (2,3) - angle of jump should match slider

pandahero
00:02:887 (2) - i dont think this rhythm plays well given map structure
00:19:012 (1) - unnecessary NC
00:35:512 (1) - remove NC, breaks structure
01:36:262 (2,1) - ugly overlap
01:42:074 (2,3,4) - unsuitable overlap for diff level
01:44:699 (1) - SV change is too drastic, this reads like the 1/4 sliders in the kiai. ddont think 0.75x is necessary, 1.0x is fine
01:53:512 (1) - remove NC
dont like that you copied the map part from other time to 01:58:012 (1) - here, its lazy

hard
00:08:512 (1) - i dont think the SV should change here (make SV before 1.0x)
01:05:137 (3,4) - i think the sounds in between here should be mapped
01:22:012 (1,2) - i dont think this plays well, especially given rhythmic density of things like 01:23:512 (1,2,3) -
01:25:574 (2,3) - fix stack
01:52:012 (1) - why bump up SV 0.05x? feels unnecessary, idk. so many different SVs like 0.7, 0.8, 0.85x etc. could be simplified

hard/insane gap is quite big

finshie
01:08:137 (1,1) - 1.0x like elsewhere?
01:15:262 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:12:262 (3,4,5,6) - too different rhythmically for the same sounds

marianna's
AR is a little high
00:16:199 (1,1) - unnecessary NC
00:15:637 (1,1,1) - why is this rhythmically different from 00:20:512 (1,2,3) - ? feels very random as is
00:28:012 (1,2) - fix blanket
00:35:887 (1) - unnecessary NC
00:40:012 (1,2) - cluttered
00:41:887 (3) - no reason for 3/4, you dont use it anywhere else in section
00:51:262 (2,1) - fix stack
01:03:074 (1) - dont like this drastic of an SV change
01:04:012 (1,1) - fix blankets
01:12:918 (4,1) - too big to come out of nowhere
01:15:918 (4,1) - should be a stream jump as well
01:18:918 (4,1) - ^ (or otherwise make the first one not a streamjump)
01:21:449 (1,1) - doesn't play well / make sense to structure this as is
01:21:637 (1) - i think this should be 3/4
01:22:012 (1,2) - fix blanket
01:25:949 (2,3) - unnecessary rhythmic difficutly and breaks the structure you had previous (01:25:762 (1,2,3) - vs 01:22:762 (1,2) - )
01:26:512 (1,2,3,4) - might be unrankable?
01:34:762 (1,2,3) - fix blanket
01:28:012 (1,2) - randomly small spacing compared to 01:22:012 (1,2) - and others
01:29:043 (2,1) - fix
01:30:449 (2,3) - fix stack
01:52:387 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - random huge jumps in context of map
01:58:012 (1) - why is everything stacked in this section, last time these were jumps at least half the time, especially in energetic parts
02:04:012 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - compare rhythm to the first time you mapped this part
02:09:074 (1) - should be 1/2 like first time
02:18:074 (3,4,5,6) - only triple i hear is the two 1/4 of 6
01:37:762 (5,7) - super messy
01:41:043 (2) - white tick is important, i think it should be clickable or this slider should be 1/4 repeat
too many 1/4 spacing concepts in kiai; 01:23:230 (3,4) - 01:25:949 (2,3) - 01:35:699 (2,3) -

Kyouren

5,582 posts

Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2017-06-30T04:46:58+00:00

Hi, just help you with metadata

Metadata found from Deemo

Artist: M2U Vocal by 구리리
Romaji Artist: M2U Vocal by Guriri

Metadata found from M2U second album "DIVERSITY"

Artist:
M2U
Title: Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
Romaji Title: Magnolia (feat. Guriri)

Link: sqstore.kr/goods/goods_view.php?goodsNo=1000000023 and m2u.studio/ALBUM

Metadata found from M2U's Soundcloud

Artist: M2U
Title: Magnolia (Feat. 구리리)
Romaji Title: Magnolia (Feat. Guriri)

Link: https://www.soundcloud.com/m2ustudio/m2u-magnolia-feat-guriri

Note: We following from M2U second album with that say to used 구리리

No kudosu and Good luck!

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-06-30T08:31:19+00:00

squirrelpascals wrote:
Hi, first mod as a bn! No kd since i've modded this before and am checking back in on it again

Collab Xtreme
• 00:04:762 (1) - Although there is a sv change here you are mapping to the strings intensity throughout the intro anyways, I think it would be better to remove this nc and follow the 4/4 nc pattern I think its better to keep NC here to somehow indicate SV change

• 00:21:637 (1,2) - Why is this a stack compared to these here 00:19:574 (4,5,1) - Make this 1/4 spacing more consistent plz Idk about this one, i kinda like those stacked, this way 00:22:387 (3) - emphasized better

• 00:32:137 - If your mapping to piano here I think that its better if you dont skip over this note I reworked this part a bit so now its following the vocal. I fixed those tho

• 00:46:012 (1,2) - 00:49:012 (1,2) - not spaced very consistently, but ctrl+g on 00:49:762 (2) - can fix this ✓

• 00:52:574 (2,3,4,5) - 00:55:574 (2,3) - Why do you represent this same string pattern differently here? I reworked those slow part a bit so its following vocal now, i guess it would work a bit better for intensity in those calm part and my previous rhythm choise were a bit messy, and i keept those accordingly now its pretty clean that its following the vocal and in first mentioned pattern its mapped with two circles to indicate vocal/in second pattern with 1/2 coz theres no vocal

• 01:09:262 (1,2) - Sounds like it should just be one hold rhythm here. Dont hear a distinguishable beat on the second slider, this sound kind of blends together I prefer two 1/4, idk changes in pitches on those two is pretty notable

• 01:12:074 (3,1) - Don't see a reason for this to be spaced so big compared to 01:11:887 (2,3) - and 01:12:262 (1,2,3,4) - want to emphasize stings on 1/4s a bit more

• 01:21:262 (6) - Not a big fan of this kickslider being here because it makes these kicksliders 01:20:887 (4,5,7) - lose significance by representing such a weaker sound. A circle or something would be better here ✓

• 01:22:387 - Random unused sv point ✓

• 01:48:637 (4) - This slider doesnt look like it fits in with this pattern of curved sliders 01:47:512 (1,2,3) - Following the idea of slider with red nod on downbeat/vocal with curved/no vocal with straight sliders

• 01:46:012 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1) - I feel like your rhythm choice is very bland because of the sort of 1/2 slider spam. The vocals or strings have much more potential to add some more interest rhythm variety here. That being said, for 01:49:762 (3,4) - I think this sound is better as represented as a 1/2 slider because the note on circle 4 is very weak. I think its alright as it is because of angles/slidershapes variations. Fixed those notes into slider things tho

The map is fun but there are some rhythm/consistency issues that I think can still be improved. I hope to see this in ranked someday though, good luck!
Thanks for mod c:

dsco wrote:
easy
00:06:637 (3) - spacing error? 01:15:074 (3,1) - ✓
00:52:012 (1) - should end on white tick actually on red
00:59:137 (3,5) - too close ✓
01:03:074 (3) - should be like 3px lower ✓
01:40:387 (2,3,4) - gradual increase ✓
01:52:012 (1) - til 01:56:887 (4) - why 1.0x now? i would just keep 1.1x ✓
i think you should introduce 1/2 a bit more in the easy nah i think it fine considering that my normal uses a lot of 1/1 rhythms

normal
00:41:512 (3,4,5) - straight instead of slightly angled? but muh triangles
00:40:762 (2,5) - can overlap (otherwise space completely) ✓
00:46:762 (1) - remove NC ✓
00:52:012 (1) - starting here you have too many rhythmic differences from combo to combo Idk about those i think its nice to have some slight rhythm variations, otherwise it would be SUPR boring for player coz its would be like 1/1 sliders and circles with 1/1 gaps everywhere
01:08:324 (1) - end of spinner should be clickable ✓
01:19:574 (2) - bad rhythm, something should be snapped to 01:20:137 ✓
01:21:262 (5) - dont think this needs to repeat changed to 1/1
overall the kiai is DRASTICALLY more rhythmically dense than the rest of the map, i think the rest should be a bit more difficult to match I guess it is but at the same time rhythm in kiai is pretty simple and its mostly 1/1 gaps with occasional 1/2, i dont think it is necessary a bad thing to have happy little diffspike for a kiai
01:26:137 (4,5,6,7) - rhythm might be too difficult for normal diff Idk its the best way i could find to simplify rhythm in this sectio, i keep it as it is for now
01:43:574 (2,3) - angle of jump should match slider ✓

hard
00:08:512 (1) - i dont think the SV should change here (make SV before 1.0x) ✓
01:05:137 (3,4) - i think the sounds in between here should be mapped ✓
01:22:012 (1,2) - i dont think this plays well, especially given rhythmic density of things like 01:23:512 (1,2,3) - reworked this pattern a little bit
01:25:574 (2,3) - fix stack ✓
01:52:012 (1) - why bump up SV 0.05x? feels unnecessary, idk. so many different SVs like 0.7, 0.8, 0.85x etc. could be simplified ✓

hard/insane gap is quite big Its alright imo, but i guess i need a bit more opinions on it
Thanks for mod c:
KittyAdventure wrote:
Hi, just help you with metadata
Metadata found from Deemo
Artist: M2U Vocal by 구리리
Romaji Artist: M2U Vocal by Guriri
Metadata found from M2U second album "DIVERSITY"
Artist:
M2U
Title: Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
Romaji Title: Magnolia (feat. Guriri)

Link: sqstore.kr/goods/goods_view.php?goodsNo=1000000023 and m2u.studio/ALBUM
Metadata found from M2U's Soundcloud
Artist: M2U
Title: Magnolia (Feat. 구리리)
Romaji Title: Magnolia (Feat. Guriri)

Link: https://www.soundcloud.com/m2ustudio/m2u-magnolia-feat-guriri
Note: We following from M2U second album with that say to used 구리리

No kudosu and Good luck! Fixed artis and the song name accordingly, thanks for help c:

PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-06-30T11:18:10+00:00

dsco wrote:
pandahero
00:02:887 (2) - i dont think this rhythm plays well given map structure
I just follow the violin. Btw, reworked next part a bit.
00:19:012 (1) - unnecessary NC
Not really, but okay, removed.
00:35:512 (1) - remove NC, breaks structure
ok
01:36:262 (2,1) - ugly overlap
Almost invisible in game.
01:42:074 (2,3,4) - unsuitable overlap for diff level
I think it's fine.
01:44:699 (1) - SV change is too drastic, this reads like the 1/4 sliders in the kiai. ddont think 0.75x is necessary, 1.0x is fine
Changed to 1.0x.
01:53:512 (1) - remove NC
ok
dont like that you copied the map part from other time to 01:58:012 (1) - here, its lazy
Lazy, but consistent as f

Thanks

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Joined October 2012

Kyouren 2017-06-30T12:05:13+00:00

I forget, Can you add DIVERSITY to tags? Because that song already have in his second album, so it's much add to tags

Mir

osu! Alumni

2,151 posts

Joined July 2016

Mir 2017-06-30T14:05:03+00:00

Follow up mod

[Easy]
- 00:04:012 (4) - not really a fan of these since the stronger sound is 00:04:762 - and it gets skipped for a less prominent rhythm
- 01:06:637 - could add a note here if you wanted for the pick up vocal
- 01:19:012 (1) - end on red instead? more noticeable sound there
- 01:24:262 - cooler sound here to end on? same for all sliders of this type 01:29:887 (4) - etc
- 01:32:512 (3) - red tick rhythm with slider ends can work, you should probably try to make more use of it http://i.imgur.com/UJEWoxu.png

[Normal]
- 01:08:137 (3) - nc maybe? xd
- 01:19:762 (1) - why not move this to the red where the stronger sound is? and maybe remove the nc too lol
- 01:22:012 (1) - stuff like this could be 1/1 sliders
- 02:14:137 (3) - also nc here?

[PandaHero's Advanced]
- 00:35:887 (4,5) - ds
- 01:05:137 (3,4,5) - ew overlap

idk i just.. this diff's aesthetics are so weird and just don't sit right with me. the rhythm is generally fine but it's just all the objects are spread so far away and stuff and aaaaaa the DS is so consistently high even in the slow parts it's 1.2x - 1.4x >:

no kds since i modded before

goodluck~

Marianna

1,392 posts

Joined July 2015

Marianna 2017-06-30T14:14:10+00:00

squirrelpascals wrote:
Marianna
• 00:13:762 - 50% hitsound volume doesnt really sound like it fits here because this bass is much louder compared to the intro before. With that being said, make it louer

• 00:15:074 (3,1) - Why did you map this same snare differently here? This makes the kickslider feel very out of place and kind of random, would recommend a circle instead

• 00:21:637 (5) - If this slider is mapped to the strings, I would recommend ending it at 00:22:105 - instead because the note ends on the next red tick. ALso, 00:22:012 (1) - doesnt sound that strong for a circle at all

• 00:30:824 (4,1) - The spacing here seems very overdone for a calm part of the song. its about a half screen jump even though the note is quiet It is to emphasize the piano note

• 00:35:512 (1,2,1,2) - these 1,2 jumps feel really really random here, cant find what you were trying to represent with 00:35:699 (2,2) - I want to make a difference to this 00:34:012 (1,2,3,4) - So I used the vocal to make this 1/2 jump

• 00:50:887 - Feels strange how you skipped this note because of how you've been previously mapping to it. It looks like you tried to use the corner of teh slider to represent that but its unnoticable because the player wont follow the slider that specifially

• 00:56:887 (2,3,4,5,2,3,4,5) - These overlaps feel inconsistent with how you choose to represent the same notes with spacing and jumps in the rest of this section. Seems appropriate at 01:03:074 (1) - though (It's also better how you did this throughout the entire part of 01:58:012 - ) Why does this seem inconsistent? I used the emphasis of the instrumental to compose these sequences and it also gives a differentiation in the map, besides that I do not see why it changes, it seems playable and beautiful

• 01:26:512 (1,2,3,4) - I dont mind this pattern choice in general, but i feel like the overly detailed sliders on 01:26:887 (3,4) - really take away from it aesthetically because it discontinues the smooth curve you had going at 01:26:512 (1,2) - and just makes the aesthetic overall feel overly done.

• 01:34:387 (1,2) - the 1/8 sliders dont feel applicable here since the sound itself doesnt feel that abrupt. It also breaks players expectations from the repetitive use of kicksliders before I wanted to use 1/8 not to leave the session so simple and not have to use simple circles

• 01:36:074 (1,1) - fix blanket? Also, why the random nc on 01:36:074 (1) - ?

• 01:37:012 - Around here you start switching between 4 and 2 beat combos kind of randomly. To make this consistent with the first kiai, using an nc on 01:37:762 (5,5,5) - would fix this

• 01:37:387 (3,4) - Why is this mapped differnty from 01:40:387 (1,2) - ? Would recommend the kicksliders because of what I explained at 01:34:387 (1,2) - but you don't seem to have a set time for when to use what sliders

• 01:52:574 (3,4,5,6,7) - These jumps feel overexaggerated for mapping just to the hi hats. Also, why did you stop mapping to the vocals entirely for this part?

no reply = fix

(Unfortunately @dsco nothing fixed)

Thanks!

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PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-06-30T14:36:49+00:00

Mir wrote:
[PandaHero's Advanced]
- 00:35:887 (4,5) - ds
I explained it before, I use 1.4 ds for showing that vocal on 3 is stronger than on 1 and 2
- 01:05:137 (3,4,5) - ew overlap
Don't be rude with him..
idk i just.. this diff's aesthetics are so weird and just don't sit right with me. the rhythm is generally fine but it's just all the objects are spread so far away and stuff and aaaaaa the DS is so consistently high even in the slow parts it's 1.2x - 1.4x >:

It called old school style, I have no idea why it looks wierd for you. Also it's advanced diff, a difficulty between normal and hard, it means that I can use different ds for emphasizing some strong sounds.

Anyway, thank you for checking ~

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-06-30T14:51:43+00:00

KittyAdventure wrote:
I forget, Can you add DIVERSITY to tags? Because that song already have in his second album, so it's much add to tags Sure, added to tags. Thanks for help once again c:

Mir wrote:
Follow up mod

[Easy]
- 00:04:012 (4) - not really a fan of these since the stronger sound is 00:04:762 - and it gets skipped for a less prominent rhythm idk about it circle into 6/4 feels really weird coz this way we skipping a bunch of violin stuff, ill keep it as it is for now
- 01:06:637 - could add a note here if you wanted for the pick up vocal ✓
- 01:19:012 (1) - end on red instead? more noticeable sound there ✓
- 01:24:262 - cooler sound here to end on? same for all sliders of this type 01:29:887 (4) - etc
- 01:32:512 (3) - red tick rhythm with slider ends can work, you should probably try to make more use of it http://i.imgur.com/UJEWoxu.png ✓

[Normal]
- 01:08:137 (3) - nc maybe? xd nced 01:10:012 (1) - instead to keep it consistent with 02:14:137 (3) - /im ncing every two downbeats anyway
- 01:19:762 (1) - why not move this to the red where the stronger sound is? and maybe remove the nc too lol sure
- 01:22:012 (1) - stuff like this could be 1/1 sliders this way its becoming somewhat boring to play, ill keep it as it is for now
- 02:14:137 (3) - also nc here? nah it fine as it is

no kds since i modded before

goodluck~
Thanks for mod c:

Finshie

829 posts

Joined October 2012

Finshie 2017-06-30T20:47:31+00:00

squirrelpascals wrote:
Hi, first mod as a bn! No kd since i've modded this before and am checking back in on it again

Finshie
• 00:36:637 - Looks like you skipped a beat here, also mapped to this at 00:34:012 (1,3,5) - fixed

• 00:46:574 (2,3,4,5) - The doubles on dont feel really applicable here, i only really hear the 1/1 vocal pattern, nothing really on the red ticks. Also at 00:51:074 (4,5) - 00:51:074 (4) - has an intrument though i used 00:46:574 (2) - as a filler rhythm to make it not that empty and not that easy.

• 01:15:262 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - vs. 01:12:262 (3,4,5,6) - Looks like an inconsistency here. Why did you choose to map one of these sections with triples while you chose to map the others with kicksliders? 01:12:262 (3,4,5,6) - the red and white ticks sounds equally to me while 01:15:262 - only at white ticks are abit stronger thats why i made it different. Maybe my hearing is weird but change it anyway for better consistency and make it abit easier.

• 01:31:012 (1,2) - Why did you chose to overlap these in particular? Feels kind of like you do this out of nowhere, spacing this would

• 01:42:262 (1,2,1) - I don't feel like the repeat sliders fit that well here because you dont really hear any distinguishable beat on those 1/8 ticks, it instead sounds like one continuous sound. If you want to keep the kind of stop in flow, mapping this with slow slider or something would work too it sounded like a buzzing sound to me so i made it 1/8. making it just a regular slider seems kinda missing on something.

The map is fun but there are some rhythm/consistency issues that I think can still be improved. I hope to see this in ranked someday though, good luck!

@Dsco made the perfect overlapped slider to spinner instead cus it looks ugly anyway xd and the other one got fixed with squirrel's mod.

Update

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
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Source:Deemo
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sammish

119 posts

Joined May 2014

sammish 2017-07-01T19:16:09+00:00

squirrelpascals wrote:
Collab Xtreme
• 01:22:387 - Random unused sv point I think su1fu7 removed this before I saw the mod; no green lines over here.

• 01:22:293 (1,1) - You're not consistent in what sv you chose to represent what sound here. Oen slider is fast while the other is slow, even though that same note plays. Same thing at 01:28:293 (1,1) - Im hearing a very distinctly higher pitched noise on the second one, in both instances - so the sv increases. Am I missing something?

• 01:27:449 (2) - vs 01:39:450 (1,2,3) - Same concept here, you represent the same sounds here but in one part you use a slider, int he other you use a stream. The stream sounds like it works better to represent 01:27:543 - imo changed first one to a stream accordingly

The map is fun but there are some rhythm/consistency issues that I think can still be improved. I hope to see this in ranked someday though, good luck! thanks again squirrel~

dsco in discord wrote:
01:23:230 (3,4) - 01:24:074 (2,1) - evil I think the whole rhythm should be taken into consideration, the distance and rhythm before the note is different so it reads differently, I'll change if this is too much of a reading problem
01:31:762 (1,1,1) - bigger shape / flow variance would be nice to emphasize different sounds edited shape slightly, ctrl+g doesnt work as nicely imo

code

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 40012
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.4
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
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DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 1.3

[Metadata]
Title:Magnolia (feat. Guriri)
TitleUnicode:Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
Artist:M2U
ArtistUnicode:M2U
Creator:Su1fu7
Version:Collab Extreme
Source:Deemo
Tags:wav.av. rayark sammish finshie pandahero diversity
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[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:5
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ApproachRate:9.2
SliderMultiplier:1.4
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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riffy

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riffy 2017-07-02T13:03:36+00:00

I am awfully sorry about the insane delay, been kinda demotivated lately

[General]

The drum-hitclap.wav appears to be unused and on top of that it also has it's peak volume delayed, so players sort of recieve double/delayed feedback.

[Easy]

My main concern wouldbe trhe general feel of the patterns. They just feel not neat enough. For insntance, 00:17:512 (1) - the overlap with score-metre could have easily been avoided, or 00:07:012 (4,1,2) - the fact that these don't form a triangle, whereas 00:10:012 (4,5,6,1,2) - do. Approach Rate 4 sort of makes these things less noticeable, but I doubt that it is really necessary. I'd recommend to look through the difficulty and see where the visuals can be improved, for insntance here's a very easy to spot thing 00:33:262 (3,1,2) - the spacing is slightly lower here, and thta doesn't feel intentional at all. This is the only art where this occurs and the change is too minor to affect anything.

I guess you've tried to cover ythat up with higher AR, but that sort of switched the idea of a map. Instead of being slow and requiring players to listen to the song, you decided to use faster AR and make it more reaction-based.

And one more thing, the rhythm density doesn't really change throughout the difficulty, so, the kiai and intro parts are practically equal. Consider lowering the density of the calm parts to make the kiai stand out?

[Normal]
Normal sort of does the same thing, with Approach Rate 6 and some transitions that I personally find artificial in the context of your style and general feel of the map. 00:42:262 (5,1) - for instance, this doesn't flow because the movement from 5 to uses a very sharp and forced angle. Sort of similar thing occurs to 01:03:074 (4,1), yet another example can be found on 01:51:262 (5,1,2,3) - do sort of arc-shaped pattern and then 01:53:887 (5,6) - and (3,4) in the same pattern contradict that idea.

00:05:887 (2) - see how this works with the string instrument and compare it with 00:08:887 (2,3) - when the violin (or whatevver that instrument is) is pretty much ignored. I think that'd be a better idea to keep the rhythm more consistent and map the violin in the same manner you've done it before. example
Alternatively, if you really do want to map the clap sounds, you can try something a bt more complex, 1/2 sliders for example
00:16:762 (4,1,2,3,4) - there is no real reason for this to be that intense. Assuming normal-level players still hold the slider untill the very end instead of dropping it early, this becomes intense pattern for a relatively relaxed part. Take a look at the rhythm the Advanced and Easy difficulties use, it is less dense.
For insntаnce, you can finish (1) here 00:17:887 - as there's a clear cut-off
00:22:199 - it doesn't make much sense to map a very strong drum sample with a slidertail and then give a clickable beat to a much weaker piano sample 00:22:387. A better rhythm would probably be something like this as it highlights both the bass and piano sounds while keeping things relatively playable.
Note: 01:05:137 - same thing here, both vocals and drums have a clear peak here, yet you map it with a slidertail and then add extra emnphasis on a much weaker bass sound on 01:05:512 - I guess something vocal-centreed would work better here. example (tl;dr, just refer to 01:07:012 (1,2,3) as it represents a very similar idea )
Then, it reoccurs with 02:10:012 (1,2) -
00:39:637 (4) - this doesn't really need to be a slider. A lot of patterns/rhythms are simplified to fit the rhythm/density concept of a Normal difficulty, and this is why in this pattern 00:39:637 (4) - would make more sense as a single circle
01:21:449 - the peak is here, yet this beat is completely ignored. Why not try two 1/2 sliders to match the feel of the song better?
01:23:137 (4) - 01:26:137 (4) - 01:29:137 (4) - none of the sliders don't really follow anything as the actual sound is 1/4 earlier. You can actually refer to the way this was mapped in Deemo or Panda's Advanced to see that the stuff is more 3/4 oriented in this part. I've tried altering the rhythm and got this. See if that sounds any better than the existing rhythm and if it does, apply to the whole part.
Note: this wll apply to the Easy difficulty as well to a certain degree, so you might want to look through the rhythm there one mor time.

I really believe that the rhythm can be improved quite a lot as I feel it sometimes tries to be too simple and ignores the actual song.

[PandaHero's Advanced]

Mixing 1/4s and 1/2 don't really work for the intro. If you map 1/4s, then you really should do it all the way in a consistent manner, yet 00:04:668 - 00:07:668 - these 1/4 bursts are ignored, and mapped in practically the same way as a much less dense part 00:13:574 - here. Additionally, the number of repeats on these sliders is quite hard to understand for the players due to the length/velocity of these sliders. And lastly, introducing 1/4s in the intro makes the kiai bland, as it brings no new elements of the gameplay.

I'd try using 1/2 rhythm for the intro, (example) as this makes the whole intro more consistent and structured as well as adds some extra contast to the kiai, making it stand out more.
Oh, and as for the spacing emphasis thing you do. Can you explain the way it works, because I don't really see any difference between 00:04:012 (1,2,1) - 00:07:012 (1,2,1) - yet they use different spacings. One more example would be 00:50:512 (3,1) - this, which has lower spacing despite a very clear and strong sound. Which, again, contradicts your idea of using spacing changes for intensity representation of the beats.
It seems to me that spacing just generally fluctuates for no apparent reason. Additionally, the whole idea of spacing emphasis in general sort of confuses me as you stress beats like 00:28:762 (2,3) - in a relatively relaxced part, yet you ignore 00:19:574 (4,1) - objectively strong instruments in a way more dense parts.
Perhaps, it would be reasonable to keep the spacing fluctuation only for the most intense parts of the song (for instance, the most dense ones, or for the kiai part only) as to make the changes in spacing feel more structured and logical.
01:09:637 (2) - this doesn't really need to be a 1/4 + reverse. Just remove the reverse and start it 1/4 later to match the bass peaks. this, basically. This would also be a nice itroduction to the kiai part.
01:55:012 (1,2) - I'd recomeend avoiding 1/2 overlaps as those can be mistaken for 1/4s. Since yopu have already used spacing changes, there'd be no issue to use additional spacing changes for better readability.

I liked the feel of the kiai, though it felt like the intro sort of spoiled a bit of fun.

[Hard]

The way 1/4 spacing fluctuates in the intro makes the following 1/2 stacks like 00:19:949 (4,5) - harder to read. This may slip through for a less intense intro, but later on as we move to the kiais, the whole mix of stacks and low spaced 1/4s becomes a lot harder to read. The best solution for this would be to keep a clear and consistent spacingfor each of the parts and using stacks only when necessary. Please, remember, that this is a relatively fast-paced song, so reading difficulties here will trouble players a lot.
01:52:012 (1) - fairly sure that this was meant to be snapped on the white tick eairlier. Same applies to a few more sliders in that part, by the way.
00:08:887 (2,3) - 00:11:887 (2,3) - you practically contraict yourself with the way yoy place sliders. I'd rather stick to a single way of placing them, rather than alterating between 00:10:387 (2,3) - 00:11:887 (2,3) - these two.
00:14:137 (2,3,4) - in this triplet (2) doesn't really have to be a circle, you can just remove it and end the slider there. (3,4) stand out more as they have a different sound. Give that a try, a double here makes much more sense than a triplet.
00:21:637 (4) - this should be split into a 1/1 sldier and a circle on 00:22:199 - to match the rhythm you've been following before. As pretty much every oother slider around ends on weak beats except for this one.
Note: 00:54:074 (2) - and most of the 3/2 sliders in this part would require the same, I believe.
00:33:262 (3,4,1) - the transition to the slider is sort of forced as there is a lot of angle/direction changes which stands out of your style. I tried to somehow make it feel softer and ended up with this let me know if you like it
01:06:637 (5,1) - there is no reason to reduce the spacing as the sound on (1) is actually a lot stronger.

The kiai has the same problem with the rhythm as Easy and Normal, basically, 01:23:137 (5) - sliders like this one ignore objectively strong beats 01:23:230 - same goes to 01:26:137 (5) - and so on. In this case, I'd refer to Panda's difficulty as it has these sounds mapped in an interesting and pretty neat way.

I find the rhythm sort of inconsistent as well as the map in general being somewhat unpolished or maaybe misleading, rather than actually confusing, which is the result of using a number of various pattrens which are inconsistent.

[Finshie's Insane]

00:19:012 (1) - for the consistency with the previous patterns and to match the music better it really needs a 1/4 triplet, this way
Note: 02:06:074 (5,6) - same.
01:00:637 (6) - probably needs a jump to it as to highligh the music and be consistent with the other objects in the combo.
Note: 01:06:262 (5) - this might need a jump as well, thugh I generally disagree with the pattern as (1) which is clearly the strongest beat out of 5-6-1, gets less spacing emphasis than (6). Probably you could place it (1) somewhere else to give it enough emphasis.
Note: 01:24:449 (2,3,4) - 01:30:637 (3,4) - same here.
01:45:262 (1,1) - minor - this is the only pattern where two sliders overlap in this part. Besides, the slider doesn't seem too accurate and could be snapped to the white tick earlier to match the instruments. This would make the pattern neater and fit the song.

Just a few minor things, in general it seems to be a decent difficulty. Good job!

[Collab Expert]

I can't say that I like the spacing changes for 1/4s in the into. Essentially, this creates a lot of condusion as well as inconsistencies, as players at times are left to guess whethr they play 1/2 or 1/4 patterns. For instance, 00:13:762 (1,2) - vs 00:14:512 (1,2). Using a clear and easy to read indication like colours or stacks for 1/4 vs 1/2 variable spacing /OR/ 1/4 variables vs 1/2 stacks could work pretty well.
00:18:449 - this would require a circle to highlight the piano part as it clearly does stand out and require some form of emphasis.
00:23:512 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - these, however, require way less new combos. Just one or two would be enough, as spacing is constantly decreasing and players of that skill level should be able to read this. Excessive comboing only breaks the intended HP Balance (as each New Combo adds extra hp)
There are also a lot of spacing changes and there are no any regular spacing values for parts like 00:31:762 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this one. Which would be fine, if the sliders are readable and were forming consistent and repetitive patterns, but since they vary both visually and in terms of spacing the whole part feels relatively random. The best way to resolve that would be to restructure things starting with more or less consistent spacing and repeating similar patterns with a gradual increase in spacing.
01:12:449 (2,3) - in this case (3) is stressed, 01:15:449 (2,3) - and here it's not. Probably would be better to either stress it in both patterns or keep it unemphasised.

Generally, I feel like like the diffeculty lacks some structure and consistency.

I liked a few of your decisions and ideas, but I feel like they can be implemented n a better or more logical way. Hit me up if you need any kind of additional comments or if something is unclear.

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Best of luck!

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-07-02T16:37:20+00:00

Bakari

Bakari wrote:
I am awfully sorry about the insane delay, been kinda demotivated lately

[General]
The drum-hitclap.wav appears to be unused and on top of that it also has it's peak volume delayed, so players sort of recieve double/delayed feedback. removed this one
[Easy]

My main concern wouldbe trhe general feel of the patterns. They just feel not neat enough. For insntance, 00:17:512 (1) - the overlap with score-metre could have easily been avoided, or 00:07:012 (4,1,2) - the fact that these don't form a triangle, whereas 00:10:012 (4,5,6,1,2) - do. Approach Rate 4 sort of makes these things less noticeable, but I doubt that it is really necessary. I'd recommend to look through the difficulty and see where the visuals can be improved, for insntance here's a very easy to spot thing 00:33:262 (3,1,2) - the spacing is slightly lower here, and thta doesn't feel intentional at all. This is the only art where this occurs and the change is too minor to affect anything.

I guess you've tried to cover ythat up with higher AR, but that sort of switched the idea of a map. Instead of being slow and requiring players to listen to the song, you decided to use faster AR and make it more reaction-based. Fixed those mentioned overlaps/ds issues and some other stuff, and also redused AR to 3

And one more thing, the rhythm density doesn't really change throughout the difficulty, so, the kiai and intro parts are practically equal. Consider lowering the density of the calm parts to make the kiai stand out? Changed some stuff from 00:58:012 - on to reverses, should be better now
[Normal]

Normal sort of does the same thing, with Approach Rate 6 and some transitions that I personally find artificial in the context of your style and general feel of the map. 00:42:262 (5,1) - for instance, this doesn't flow because the movement from 5 to uses a very sharp and forced angle. Sort of similar thing occurs to 01:03:074 (4,1), yet another example can be found on 01:51:262 (5,1,2,3) - do sort of arc-shaped pattern and then 01:53:887 (5,6) - and (3,4) in the same pattern contradict that idea. Fixed those and reduced AR to 4.5
00:05:887 (2) - see how this works with the string instrument and compare it with 00:08:887 (2,3) - when the violin (or whatevver that instrument is) is pretty much ignored. I think that'd be a better idea to keep the rhythm more consistent and map the violin in the same manner you've done it before. example fixed
Alternatively, if you really do want to map the clap sounds, you can try something a bt more complex, 1/2 sliders for example
00:16:762 (4,1,2,3,4) - there is no real reason for this to be that intense. Assuming normal-level players still hold the slider untill the very end instead of dropping it early, this becomes intense pattern for a relatively relaxed part. Take a look at the rhythm the Advanced and Easy difficulties use, it is less dense.
For insntаnce, you can finish (1) here 00:17:887 - as there's a clear cut-off fixed
00:22:199 - it doesn't make much sense to map a very strong drum sample with a slidertail and then give a clickable beat to a much weaker piano sample 00:22:387. A better rhythm would probably be something like this as it highlights both the bass and piano sounds while keeping things relatively playable. done
Note: 01:05:137 - same thing here, both vocals and drums have a clear peak here, yet you map it with a slidertail and then add extra emnphasis on a much weaker bass sound on 01:05:512 - I guess something vocal-centreed would work better here. example (tl;dr, just refer to 01:07:012 (1,2,3) as it represents a very similar idea ) fixed here too
Then, it reoccurs with 02:10:012 (1,2) -
00:39:637 (4) - this doesn't really need to be a slider. A lot of patterns/rhythms are simplified to fit the rhythm/density concept of a Normal difficulty, and this is why in this pattern 00:39:637 (4) - would make more sense as a single circle make sense
01:21:449 - the peak is here, yet this beat is completely ignored. Why not try two 1/2 sliders to match the feel of the song better? sure
01:23:137 (4) - 01:26:137 (4) - 01:29:137 (4) - none of the sliders don't really follow anything as the actual sound is 1/4 earlier. You can actually refer to the way this was mapped in Deemo or Panda's Advanced to see that the stuff is more 3/4 oriented in this part. I've tried altering the rhythm and got this. See if that sounds any better than the existing rhythm and if it does, apply to the whole part.
Note: this wll apply to the Easy difficulty as well to a certain degree, so you might want to look through the rhythm there one mor time. fixed i guess

I really believe that the rhythm can be improved quite a lot as I feel it sometimes tries to be too simple and ignores the actual song.
[Hard]
The way 1/4 spacing fluctuates in the intro makes the following 1/2 stacks like 00:19:949 (4,5) - harder to read. This may slip through for a less intense intro, but later on as we move to the kiais, the whole mix of stacks and low spaced 1/4s becomes a lot harder to read. The best solution for this would be to keep a clear and consistent spacingfor each of the parts and using stacks only when necessary. Please, remember, that this is a relatively fast-paced song, so reading difficulties here will trouble players a lot. Fixed those, should be better now
01:52:012 (1) - fairly sure that this was meant to be snapped on the white tick eairlier. Same applies to a few more sliders in that part, by the way. i guess i messed up those while was changing SVs, fixed now
00:08:887 (2,3) - 00:11:887 (2,3) - you practically contraict yourself with the way yoy place sliders. I'd rather stick to a single way of placing them, rather than alterating between 00:10:387 (2,3) - 00:11:887 (2,3) - these two. fixed
00:14:137 (2,3,4) - in this triplet (2) doesn't really have to be a circle, you can just remove it and end the slider there. (3,4) stand out more as they have a different sound. Give that a try, a double here makes much more sense than a triplet. sure
00:21:637 (4) - this should be split into a 1/1 sldier and a circle on 00:22:199 - to match the rhythm you've been following before. As pretty much every oother slider around ends on weak beats except for this one. done
Note: 00:54:074 (2) - and most of the 3/2 sliders in this part would require the same, I believe. I'd prefer to keep those tho, i think it would be a bit better to keep this section a bit less dense to make kiai stand out a bit more
00:33:262 (3,4,1) - the transition to the slider is sort of forced as there is a lot of angle/direction changes which stands out of your style. I tried to somehow make it feel softer and ended up with this let me know if you like it yea i think that wold work a bit better
01:06:637 (5,1) - there is no reason to reduce the spacing as the sound on (1) is actually a lot stronger. made spacing between those equal

The kiai has the same problem with the rhythm as Easy and Normal, basically, 01:23:137 (5) - sliders like this one ignore objectively strong beats 01:23:230 - same goes to 01:26:137 (5) - and so on. In this case, I'd refer to Panda's difficulty as it has these sounds mapped in an interesting and pretty neat way. fixed those too

I find the rhythm sort of inconsistent as well as the map in general being somewhat unpolished or maaybe misleading, rather than actually confusing, which is the result of using a number of various pattrens which are inconsistent.
[Collab Expert]
I can't say that I like the spacing changes for 1/4s in the into. Essentially, this creates a lot of condusion as well as inconsistencies, as players at times are left to guess whethr they play 1/2 or 1/4 patterns. For instance, 00:13:762 (1,2) - vs 00:14:512 (1,2). Using a clear and easy to read indication like colours or stacks for 1/4 vs 1/2 variable spacing /OR/ 1/4 variables vs 1/2 stacks could work pretty well. Reworked this part a little bit, should be better now
00:18:449 - this would require a circle to highlight the piano part as it clearly does stand out and require some form of emphasis.done
00:23:512 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - these, however, require way less new combos. Just one or two would be enough, as spacing is constantly decreasing and players of that skill level should be able to read this. Excessive comboing only breaks the intended HP Balance (as each New Combo adds extra hp) sure
There are also a lot of spacing changes and there are no any regular spacing values for parts like 00:31:762 (2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this one. Which would be fine, if the sliders are readable and were forming consistent and repetitive patterns, but since they vary both visually and in terms of spacing the whole part feels relatively random. The best way to resolve that would be to restructure things starting with more or less consistent spacing and repeating similar patterns with a gradual increase in spacing. tried to map it with visually similar spacing (with slightly increasing spacing to downbeats)
should be better now
01:12:449 (2,3) - in this case (3) is stressed, 01:15:449 (2,3) - and here it's not. Probably would be better to either stress it in both patterns or keep it unemphasised. Fixed

Generally, I feel like like the diffeculty lacks some structure and consistency.
I liked a few of your decisions and ideas, but I feel like they can be implemented n a better or more logical way. Hit me up if you need any kind of additional comments or if something is unclear.

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Best of luck!

Thanks for mod c:

PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-07-02T18:06:37+00:00

Bakari wrote:
[PandaHero's Advanced]
Mixing 1/4s and 1/2 don't really work for the intro. If you map 1/4s, then you really should do it all the way in a consistent manner, yet 00:04:668 - 00:07:668 - these 1/4 bursts are ignored, and mapped in practically the same way as a much less dense part 00:13:574 - here. Additionally, the number of repeats on these sliders is quite hard to understand for the players due to the length/velocity of these sliders. And lastly, introducing 1/4s in the intro makes the kiai bland, as it brings no new elements of the gameplay.

I'd try using 1/2 rhythm for the intro, (example) as this makes the whole intro more consistent and structured as well as adds some extra contast to the kiai, making it stand out more.
Ok, remaded it as you suggested
Oh, and as for the spacing emphasis thing you do. Can you explain the way it works, because I don't really see any difference between 00:04:012 (1,2,1) - 00:07:012 (1,2,1) - yet they use different spacings.
00:04:012 (1,2,1) and 00:07:012 (1,2,1) have equal spacing, I don't know what are you talking about
One more example would be 00:50:512 (3,1) - this, which has lower spacing despite a very clear and strong sound. Which, again, contradicts your idea of using spacing changes for intensity representation of the beats.
Good catch, changed.
It seems to me that spacing just generally fluctuates for no apparent reason. Additionally, the whole idea of spacing emphasis in general sort of confuses me as you stress beats like 00:28:762 (2,3) - in a relatively relaxced part, yet you ignore 00:19:574 (4,1) - objectively strong instruments in a way more dense parts.
Increased spacing between 00:19:012 (3,4).
Perhaps, it would be reasonable to keep the spacing fluctuation only for the most intense parts of the song (for instance, the most dense ones, or for the kiai part only) as to make the changes in spacing feel more structured and logical.
I'll think about it, thanks.
01:09:637 (2) - this doesn't really need to be a 1/4 + reverse. Just remove the reverse and start it 1/4 later to match the bass peaks. this, basically. This would also be a nice itroduction to the kiai part.
For me this wub sounds as a reverse slider, I hear sound on the white tick. so I prefer to keep it.
01:55:012 (1,2) - I'd recomeend avoiding 1/2 overlaps as those can be mistaken for 1/4s. Since yopu have already used spacing changes, there'd be no issue to use additional spacing changes for better readability.
ok

I liked the feel of the kiai, though it felt like the intro sort of spoiled a bit of fun.

thanks

code

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Finshie

829 posts

Joined October 2012

Finshie 2017-07-02T18:16:23+00:00

Bakari wrote:
I am awfully sorry about the insane delay, been kinda demotivated lately

[Finshie's Insane]
00:19:012 (1) - for the consistency with the previous patterns and to match the music better it really needs a 1/4 triplet, this way
Note: 02:06:074 (5,6) - same. changed 00:19:012 (1) - but not on 02:06:074 (5,6) - cus it sounds different and no 1/4 indication there.
01:00:637 (6) - probably needs a jump to it as to highligh the music and be consistent with the other objects in the combo. made it abit closer to make it less confusing for the next 1/1 rhythms
Note: 01:06:262 (5) - this might need a jump as well, thugh I generally disagree with the pattern as (1) which is clearly the strongest beat out of 5-6-1, gets less spacing emphasis than (6). Probably you could place it (1) somewhere else to give it enough emphasis.
Note: 01:24:449 (2,3,4) - 01:30:637 (3,4) - same here. All fixed
01:45:262 (1,1) - minor - this is the only pattern where two sliders overlap in this part. Besides, the slider doesn't seem too accurate and could be snapped to the white tick earlier to match the instruments. This would make the pattern neater and fit the song. fixed

Just a few minor things, in general it seems to be a decent difficulty. Good job!
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Best of luck!

Thanks Bakari!

Update

osu file format v14

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Title:Magnolia (feat. Guriri)
TitleUnicode:Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
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ArtistUnicode:M2U
Creator:Su1fu7
Version:Finshie's Insane
Source:Deemo
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Strategas

1,378 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2017-07-03T18:47:44+00:00

m4m bn boys queue

ez
02:08:512 (2,3) - ds

advanced
00:19:012 (3,4) - ds
00:35:512 (3,4,5) - ds

hard
01:10:012 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - autostack is messing up your spacing, turn it on in view->stacking in the editor and fix inconsistencies because they look pretty bad

don't really like how you handle spacing in this diff tbh, for example you have spacing like 00:17:512 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - and then lower the ds for no reason at 00:19:199 (2,3,4,5) - .. would be much better if you sticked to more consistant spacing and only change it where music changes noticably (like different sections)

expert
01:23:793 (1) - 01:29:793 (1) - this sv is nonsense, you had high sv for such sound 01:22:293 (1,2) - 01:23:043 (2,4) - etc.. and it plays pretty bad when you have slow slider that goes into a spaced note 01:24:074 (2) -

I might push this forward if hard diff fixes gross spacing everywhere

PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-07-03T18:58:37+00:00

Strategas wrote:
m4m bn boys queue

advanced
00:19:012 (3,4) - ds
00:35:512 (3,4,5) - ds

I did it for emphasize strong sounds by increasing ds from 1.2 to 1.4 (violin in the first timecode and vocal in the second), don't eat me ;w;

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-07-03T20:08:05+00:00

Strategas wrote:
m4m bn boys queue

ez
02:08:512 (2,3) - ds fixed

hard
01:10:012 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - autostack is messing up your spacing, turn it on in view->stacking in the editor and fix inconsistencies because they look pretty bad fixed

don't really like how you handle spacing in this diff tbh, for example you have spacing like 00:17:512 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - and then lower the ds for no reason at 00:19:199 (2,3,4,5) - .. would be much better if you sticked to more consistant spacing and only change it where music changes noticably (like different sections) changed some parts, now ds is consistent in each section, should be better now

I might push this forward if hard diff fixes gross spacing everywhere

thanks for mod c:

sammish

119 posts

Joined May 2014

sammish 2017-07-05T13:55:32+00:00

applied what strategas said and made other minor changes to improve spacing and emphasis, hopefully it's alright now.

(used a note for the second pattern instead of a slider, to reduce momentum - which makes the pattern after it feel faster; hopefully its alright.)

sent code in discord.

Strategas

1,378 posts

Joined July 2013

Strategas 2017-07-05T19:04:39+00:00

Nozhomi

Global Moderator

4,568 posts

Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2017-07-05T19:10:06+00:00

You really like M2U, right Su1fu7 ? ^^

Sulfur

278 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-07-05T19:45:55+00:00

Strategas wrote:
gl

Thank you c:

Nozhomi wrote:
You really like M2U, right Su1fu7 ? ^^

:thinking:

Doormat

2,049 posts

Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-07-10T00:03:36+00:00

~~placeholder~~

from my queue

[Easy]

00:13:762 (4) - could add a circle for this unique sound, but you might have to move 00:14:512 (1) - a bit if you do
00:59:512 (2,1) - missed your blanket here by chance, or is this intentional? i still think it should be a blanket seeing as how you blanketed 00:56:512 (3,1) -
02:15:637 - circle here for vocals?

[Normal]

00:38:512 (3) - hm consider shortening this to a 2/1 slider and then placing a 1/2 slider at 00:39:449 - instead? it just feels a bit off imo how the combo starts off on vocals but then this slider end lands on the piano instead
SPOILER
01:43:949 (3) - might be better to use a circle + 1/1 slider here instead since the vocals are held
SPOILER
02:20:324 (1) - shouldn't the spinner end on the blue tick lol

[PandaHero]

00:10:012 (1,2,3,4) - if 00:08:512 (1,2,3,4) - is 1.2x spacing and 00:11:512 (1,2,3,4) - is 1.4x spacing, try making this orange combo have 1.3x spacing to match the music buildup imo
00:35:512 (3,4,5) - these all have the same emphasis and sound, so the 1.4x spacing increase from 4->5 doesn't make sense
01:20:887 (3) - this 3/4 repeat slider doesn't really match the music; music is placing emphasis on 01:20:887 - and 01:21:074 - so why not try something like this?
SPOILER
02:17:137 (2) - this 3/2 slider doesn't really fit the music; there's no significant sound on 02:17:699 - so the repeat doesn't make sense.

[Hard]

01:05:137 (3,4,5) - i personally think density could be a bit more dense here given the difficulty level, especially since the Advanced is more dense here. why not try a rhythm like this?
SPOILER
01:22:012 (1,2) - 01:25:012 (1,2) - 01:28:012 (1,2) - 01:31:012 (1,2) - rhythm here isn't exactly the best; there's no strong sound on the (2) - so i don't think it should be clickable
02:08:512 (1) - based on previous rhythms following the vocals, shouldn't this be a 1/1 slider + circle instead of a 3/2 slider?
02:11:137 (3,4,5) - similar suggestion to the rhythm i suggested at 01:05:137 (3,4,5) -
02:22:105 - shouldn't the 5% volume timing point be placed here instead?

[Finshie]

00:46:574 (2,4) - i don't think the filler rhythm is really necessary here when previous rhythms in this same phrase don't use filler rhythm, but it's up to you whether you want to keep them or not
01:11:512 (6) - it'd be neat if this was facing in the opposite direction of 01:10:762 (4,5) - . since it's the start of a new bar i think you can give it a bit more emphasis to make it stand out more; maybe something like this?
SPOILER
01:14:512 (6) - ^similar idea to the above

[Collab Expert]

maybe you could dampen some of the sliderends for the 3/4 sliders at the beginning violin part to like 5% or 10% volume? when you have violin phrases like 00:02:887 (2,3,4,5,) - not hitsounded, it makes some of the unhitsounded sliderends also stand out more than they should, like 00:02:793 - , 00:03:543 - , 00:03:918 - , 00:04:480 - , etc. to name a few
00:25:012 (7) - you could still probably place a spinner after this note and end the spinner around 00:26:512 - for that drawn out string sound
00:32:887 (2) - if you're following the vocals for this section, perhaps you could make this into two circles instead
00:37:762 (2) - should be shortened to 00:38:137 - if you're following the vocals, which you have been doing up until this point; suddenly switching here doesn't really feel appropriate since there aren't any special sounds
00:44:887 (4) - you could probably make this a 1/2 slider, since it sounds like the vocals here has an inflection and ends on 00:45:074 -
00:46:012 (1) - something something vocals end on white tick something something
01:09:262 (1,2) - should be combined into one slider imo. this wub sound doesn't sound like it divides into two 1/4 sliders like that; it sounds more like one sustained note from 01:09:262 - to 01:09:543 -
01:32:043 (1) - personally i'd increase the sv on this more so that the difference between this and 01:31:762 (1) - is much more noticeable; right now i can barely tell a difference between the two due to how similar the svs are due to the shapes you used
01:33:449 (2,1) - isn't a perfect stack, if you care about those sort of things
01:38:512 (1,2,1,1) - should follow a different movement path from 01:38:137 (1,2) - imo, since the sounds are completely different between the two
01:52:762 (3,4) - might work better as a 1/1 slider because of the held vocals
02:17:137 (3) - 3/2 slider doesn't make sense since there's no significant sound on 02:17:699 - .

call me back after you get things checked out

Finshie

829 posts

Joined October 2012

Finshie 2017-07-10T02:21:52+00:00

Doormat wrote:
~~placeholder~~

[Finshie]
00:46:574 (2,4) - i don't think the filler rhythm is really necessary here when previous rhythms in this same phrase don't use filler rhythm, but it's up to you whether you want to keep them or not removed. tried to make similar to 00:34:574 (2,4) - but i guess this one doesnt have that piano sound.
01:11:512 (6) - it'd be neat if this was facing in the opposite direction of 01:10:762 (4,5) - . since it's the start of a new bar i think you can give it a bit more emphasis to make it stand out more; maybe something like this? yea but it sounds the same to 01:10:762 (4,5) - so i dont see why this needs to be different and it Kinda ruins the flow i wanted for the next objects too :/
SPOILER
01:14:512 (6) - ^similar idea to the above same

call me back after you get things checked out

thanks doormat

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PandaHero

662 posts

Joined November 2011

PandaHero 2017-07-10T10:09:54+00:00

Doormat wrote:
[PandaHero]
00:10:012 (1,2,3,4) - if 00:08:512 (1,2,3,4) - is 1.2x spacing and 00:11:512 (1,2,3,4) - is 1.4x spacing, try making this orange combo have 1.3x spacing to match the music buildup imo
00:35:512 (3,4,5) - these all have the same emphasis and sound, so the 1.4x spacing increase from 4->5 doesn't make sense
01:20:887 (3) - this 3/4 repeat slider doesn't really match the music; music is placing emphasis on 01:20:887 - and 01:21:074 - so why not try something like this?
SPOILER
02:17:137 (2) - this 3/2 slider doesn't really fit the music; there's no significant sound on 02:17:699 - so the repeat doesn't make sense.

All fixed, thanks.

diff

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 40012
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.4
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 26512,81637,105074,141449
DistanceSpacing: 1.4
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2

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Title:Magnolia (feat. Guriri)
TitleUnicode:Magnolia (feat. 구리리)
Artist:M2U
ArtistUnicode:M2U
Creator:Su1fu7
Version:PandaHero's Advanced
Source:Deemo
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BeatmapSetID:610967

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Sulfur

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Topic Starter

Sulfur 2017-07-10T10:44:03+00:00

Doormat

Doormat wrote:
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from my queue

[Easy]
00:13:762 (4) - could add a circle for this unique sound, but you might have to move 00:14:512 (1) - a bit if you do done
00:59:512 (2,1) - missed your blanket here by chance, or is this intentional? i still think it should be a blanket seeing as how you blanketed 00:56:512 (3,1) - fixed
02:15:637 - circle here for vocals? i'd rather avoid it since its a held vocal from 02:14:137 - and its sounds a bit awkward to make the end of it clickable
[Normal]
00:38:512 (3) - hm consider shortening this to a 2/1 slider and then placing a 1/2 slider at 00:39:449 - instead? it just feels a bit off imo how the combo starts off on vocals but then this slider end lands on the piano instead sure
SPOILER
01:43:949 (3) - might be better to use a circle + 1/1 slider here instead since the vocals are held done
SPOILER
02:20:324 (1) - shouldn't the spinner end on the blue tick lol woops looks like i messed up it while applying mods, fixed
[Hard]
01:05:137 (3,4,5) - i personally think density could be a bit more dense here given the difficulty level, especially since the Advanced is more dense here. why not try a rhythm like this? done
SPOILER
01:22:012 (1,2) - 01:25:012 (1,2) - 01:28:012 (1,2) - 01:31:012 (1,2) - rhythm here isn't exactly the best; there's no strong sound on the (2) - so i don't think it should be clickable fixed all of those
02:08:512 (1) - based on previous rhythms following the vocals, shouldn't this be a 1/1 slider + circle instead of a 3/2 slider? consistency machine broke, fixed
02:11:137 (3,4,5) - similar suggestion to the rhythm i suggested at 01:05:137 (3,4,5) - yea fixed here too
02:22:105 - shouldn't the 5% volume timing point be placed here instead? fixed
[Collab Expert]
maybe you could dampen some of the sliderends for the 3/4 sliders at the beginning violin part to like 5% or 10% volume? when you have violin phrases like 00:02:887 (2,3,4,5,) - not hitsounded, it makes some of the unhitsounded sliderends also stand out more than they should, like 00:02:793 - , 00:03:543 - , 00:03:918 - , 00:04:480 - , etc. to name a few done
00:25:012 (7) - you could still probably place a spinner after this note and end the spinner around 00:26:512 - for that drawn out string sound idk its just sounds a bit off to me (and aso i kinda want to have this dramatic pause before calm part
00:32:887 (2) - if you're following the vocals for this section, perhaps you could make this into two circles instead sure
00:37:762 (2) - should be shortened to 00:38:137 - if you're following the vocals, which you have been doing up until this point; suddenly switching here doesn't really feel appropriate since there aren't any special sounds fixed
00:44:887 (4) - you could probably make this a 1/2 slider, since it sounds like the vocals here has an inflection and ends on 00:45:074 idk about this one tho, i thin circle works a bit better since that held vocal is kinda quiet (and also i think its nice to keep it consistent with stuff like 00:47:512 (3,4) -
00:46:012 (1) - something something vocals end on white tick something something fixed
01:09:262 (1,2) - should be combined into one slider imo. this wub sound doesn't sound like it divides into two 1/4 sliders like that; it sounds more like one sustained note from 01:09:262 - to 01:09:543 - changed to a 3/4 slider
01:52:762 (3,4) - might work better as a 1/1 slider because of the held vocals imo two 1/2s work a bit better: vocal is kinda quiet and 1/1 just feels really out of place in this intense section
02:17:137 (3) - 3/2 slider doesn't make sense since there's no significant sound on 02:17:699 - . fixed
call me back after you get things checked out

Thanks for mod c:

sammish

119 posts

Joined May 2014

sammish 2017-07-10T21:45:38+00:00

Doormat wrote:
[Collab Expert]
01:32:043 (1) - personally i'd increase the sv on this more so that the difference between this and 01:31:762 (1) - is much more noticeable; right now i can barely tell a difference between the two due to how similar the svs are due to the shapes you used this is popping up q often so I changed sv alot higher, there is no longer a linear increase in sv to accomodate for emphasis
01:33:449 (2,1) - isn't a perfect stack, if you care about those sort of things couldnt get a perfect overlap prolly due to stack leniency, so I got it as close as I could - should be cleaner now.
01:38:512 (1,2,1,1) - should follow a different movement path from 01:38:137 (1,2) - imo, since the sounds are completely different between the two did a rotation on the second pair for variation, hope its fine now

thank you!!

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