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awp
where's the charm in that?
Wojjan

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Welcome to Off-Topic

  • A Word of Warning Beforehand
Off-Topic is a part of the forum that is not quite the same as other subforums you'll find on the osu! board. It is a place where everything you read has to be taken with a pinch of salt: It's a forum that houses jokes about osu!, and its community, but also about Off-Topic itself, and even about parts of the internet entirely outside the game, some of which you might not even be familiar with! This implies two things:

◘ Because of a certain pervasive sarcasm around this subforum and its users, it's very important to have a good grasp on the English language. If not, you will probably misinterpret something or other. But if you don't, look Eʟsᴇᴡʜᴇʀᴇ and you might find that the subforum of your own language has an Off-Topic thread of its own!

◘ Because of a similar pervasive joking attitude, you're expected upon entering this forum to be able to roll with the punches. You're going to be "the new kid" in the social circle for a while, and you probably won't get a joke or two at first. Be flexible. Take a joke. Learn from mistakes. Act mature. Follow these guidelines and you'll find people will accept you a lot faster!

We Like It Cozy
So be flexible!


◘ Something a lot of people forget when you arrive here, is that the subcommunity in the subforum has a history of four years behind it! There's going to be a crowd of regulars and - like it or not - they'll influence what we consider a "quality" post. So, what can you do about that? First things first, we have a Wʜᴏʟᴇ Lᴏᴛ of Oᴛʜᴇʀ Pʟᴀᴄᴇs where you can Bᴇ Yᴏᴜʀsᴇʟғ and Mᴀᴋᴇ Fʀɪᴇɴᴅs. If you don't fit in in this crowd, odds are, with all the thousands of people on osu! you'll find a place where you do. But if you really want to make it work, be mindful of your audience. Test the waters first, take your time and take it easy.

THINGS TO DO:
- Check if your topic wouldn't fit better in any other subforum linked in the above little bit.
- Find out if the regulars are people you want to associate with. They won't leave for you, you're joining them.
- Join the conversation on things you like. You'll have more luck with an existing topic than a new one.
- Be yourself in a way that opens you up to us. Show us how you're awesome. You're making friends here.
- Be yourself in a way where you don't care about what people think about you. This is a community.


We Like It Smarmy
So take a joke!


◘ This subforum is built around quick wit, humor, and rough quipping. Especially that last bit is known to cause some issues. What if you post something hilarious, and somebody disagrees with you? They're even calling you names, what a dickwad! When somebody makes a joke about you, they probably don't mean it as a personal attack, even if it's worded this way. If you found somebody's post offensive, don't make a big scene in public about them being a bigger dickwad for calling you one, take it up with one of the moderators and they will get back to you shortly. An argument you avoid is one you both win.

THINGS TO DO:
- Make lighthearted jokes about anything and anyone. As long as it stays superficial, almost anything is allowed.
- Give people flak over the jokes they've posted or things they've said. Joke about them, like the above rule.
- Go overboard with the first two rules. When somebody asks you to stop, stop. Doubly so when a moderator contacts you.
- Throw around slurs and insults consistently without provocation.
- Use the above to weasel-word what constitutes harassment, against a user, person or group.
- Overreact or start a public fight when somebody else throws anything at you.

We Like It Tidy
So learn from mistakes!


◘ We have a bit of a way of organising ourselves in Off-Topic: keep it simple and consistent. Getting acquainted with the way the forum is built and what kind of topics go where is very important, because a lot of stuff which shouldn't go here ends up here because it is the less-serious part. Especially when creating a new topic, consider the following golden rule: can this thing I'm about to post generate five pages of discussion about the thing? If it can't, we have a Tʜʀᴇᴀᴅ Aʙᴏᴜᴛ Aʟʟ Kɪɴᴅs ᴏғ Tʜɪɴɢs and a Tʜʀᴇᴀᴅ Aʙᴏᴜᴛ Pᴇʀsᴏɴᴀʟ Tʜɪɴɢs which are both quite popular, and could get you a better response than making a fresh thread just for your subject would. If you're gutsy enough, you can always try, the worst thing is you'll fail.

THINGS TO DO:
- Create new threads with substantial, meaty, original content.
- Post things that aren't as substantial in threads designated for it, so that it may know its moment.
- Create duplicate threads about subject another thread already covers.
- Post in threads that are very old without something extremely substantial and meaty to add to them.
- Immediately shoot down any new thread without letting it have its run. Who knows what could happen?
- Make posts that don't add anything new such as replying with just "lol" or ">w<", or quoting someone without adding to it.


We Like It Serious (sometimes)
So act mature!

◘ While Off-Topic is a very fun forum to be a part of once you're settled in, it takes some effort to keep this entire show running smoothly. For this cause, there are two designated Off-Topic janitors: WOJJAN and DKUN. (that's me on the left!) We are responsible for the Off-Topic damage control: when somebody makes a thread here which should've gone elsewhere or already existed, we move and merge them. When a conversation gets out of hand, we lock a thread (and in worse cases move it to the Abandoned Wasteland) but while we don't often administer silences or timeouts to the ones responsible, we have friends who do. Anyone on the Admin team (which are those fine lads and lasses with the Green names) is also moderator in here, and counts as much as they do anywhere else on the forum. They still count here and they will have those powers, and are not afraid to use them. So if you fuck up along the way, and you get enough DINGS for the janitors to notice you as a DINGUS, expect some consequences.

THINGS TO DO:
- Report inappropriate behavior which wronged you or annoyed you to us, through PM or otherwise.
- Contact us for questions or information that's not about somebody who broke something. We can show you the way.
- Call us out on mistakes you think we might have made. We're human! It happens, and we'll gladly right the wrongs.
- Publicly complain about what you consider rude or wrongful intervention. It will only make things worse.
- Know that moderators are people too, with personal lives, sleep schedules, but also feelings (sort of).


I wrote a guide on OTHD for new users. Tell me what you think (tomorrow)
My eventual goal is writing a similar post about what's actually and concreetly going to change from OT Mk I to OT Mk II. Those two together will be the basic ruleset of the new OT.

I had an idea of making the old OT invisible somewhere during the merge, and come out with only a few of its absolute best threads left, all locked but visible to everyone in a separate Valhalla, subforum on the same level like Forum Games.
dkun
Well, so much for discussion; you just summed up everything I would of liked to of discussed, or much rather, it's ~perfect~.

Also I'm pretty sure that the old OT is going to be archived into Wasteland? (and we know what this means to users) Although, I do agree with taking out some of the best of the threads that are left, and separate Valhalla them.
Sakura
Not to mention she can now discuss it in the lounge
Wojjan
awp
A word of warning, paragraph three:

I say drop the bit about being "the new kid". We don't want to foster circle-jerking from the getgo; the idea is to start the forum fresh. The history will be there, but let's not call attention to it as if it's a requirement or expectation.

Because of a similar pervasive joking attitude, you're expected upon entering this forum to be able to roll with the punches. You're going to be "the new kid" in the social circle for a while, and you probably won't get a joke or two at first. Be flexible. Take a joke. Learn from mistakes. Act mature. Follow these guidelines and you'll find people will accept you a lot faster!



Scratch out that sentence, and suddenly you have pretty much everything OTHD should be in a single paragraph
Wojjan
I dunno, I still feel like people paying heed to they who came before them is important. Mostly because I care about my flock, I'm afraid the current regulars could end up with no place to stay on the forum were OT to change too much.

how about:
Because of a similar pervasive joking attitude, you're expected upon entering this forum to be able to roll with the punches. Be flexible. Take a joke. Learn from mistakes. Act mature. Follow these guidelines and you'll find that the people who were already around will accept you a lot faster!
just so the history keeps a little bit of merit
awp
Something like that, yeah. I'd rephrase it as "you'll find that the existing community will accept you a lot faster"
Sakura
It begins...
dkun
let's do this
Wojjan
' -'7
Wojjan


During your travels in the community of Oz!, you stumble upon an OPULENT THRONEROOM. In the middle is a pedestal on which two golden thrones stand, each harboring an equally golden statue - presumably king and queen. Between them, a crystal ball with an emerald, ephemeral flame inside. "Hello," the woman says. She seems to be dressed in pajamas, or at least robes, the kind you link with a powerful magician. "Welcome to our kingdom, I would say..." Her hand beckons you closer, and you recognise it as an order. The gate closes behind you. "But this golden palace is all that's left of it." The windows and holes in the wall give vision into an endless, inky black; a marble, solid galaxy. Like an empty canvas in space it is ready to be molded. "And good riddance, too." The king is speaking now. He seems to be a strong warrior, if not a swordsman at least a man who owns a sword. "Lawless bunch a' nothin'. Better off without 'em. Who's you, then? New generation?" His voice strikes you as a lot more warm than the magician's, even though they are both clearly statues. The warmth carries intimidation. The surroundings thunder when he speaks next. "Very well. We shall teach you the rules." And she fills in: "The rules of the game, yes! Let's begin right away!"

Words find their way into your mind...
Are you a man, or are you a mouse?


                                          I am a mouse

They wrote:

Welcome to Off-Topic

  • A Word of Warning Beforehand
Off-Topic is a part of the forum that is not quite the same as other subforums you'll find on the osu! board. It is a place where everything you read has to be taken with a pinch of salt: It's a forum that houses jokes about osu!, and its community, but also about Off-Topic itself, and even about parts of the internet entirely outside the game, some of which you might not even be familiar with! This implies two things:

◘ Because of a certain pervasive sarcasm around this subforum and its users, it's very important to have a good grasp on the English language. If not, you will probably misinterpret something or other. But if you don't, look Eʟsᴇᴡʜᴇʀᴇ and you might find that the subforum of your own language has an Off-Topic thread of its own!

◘ Because of a similar pervasive joking attitude, you're expected upon entering this forum to be able to roll with the punches. Be flexible. Take a joke. Learn from mistakes. Act mature. Follow these guidelines and you'll find that the existing community will accept you a lot faster!

We Like It Cozy
So be flexible!


◘ Something a lot of people forget when you arrive here, is that the subcommunity in the subforum has a history of four years behind it! There's going to be a crowd of regulars and - like it or not - they'll influence what we consider a "quality" post. So, what can you do about that? First things first, we have a Wʜᴏʟᴇ Lᴏᴛ of Oᴛʜᴇʀ Pʟᴀᴄᴇs where you can Bᴇ Yᴏᴜʀsᴇʟғ and Mᴀᴋᴇ Fʀɪᴇɴᴅs. If you don't fit in in this crowd, odds are, with all the thousands of people on osu! you'll find a place where you do. But if you really want to make it work, be mindful of your audience. Test the waters first, take your time and take it easy.

THINGS TO DO:
- Check if your topic wouldn't fit better in any other subforum linked in the above little bit.
- Find out if the regulars are people you want to associate with. They won't leave for you, you're joining them.
- Join the conversation on things you like. You'll have more luck with an existing topic than a new one.
- Be yourself in a way that opens you up to us. Show us how you're awesome. You're making friends here.
- Be yourself in a way where you don't care about what people think about you. This is a community.


We Like It Smarmy
So take a joke!


◘ This subforum is built around quick wit, humor, and rough quipping. Especially that last bit is known to cause some issues. What if you post something hilarious, and somebody disagrees with you? They're even calling you names, what a dickwad! When somebody makes a joke about you, they probably don't mean it as a personal attack, even if it's worded this way. If you found somebody's post offensive, don't make a big scene in public about them being a bigger dickwad for calling you one, take it up with one of the moderators and they will get back to you shortly. An argument you avoid is one you both win.

THINGS TO DO:
- Make lighthearted jokes about anything and anyone. As long as it stays superficial, almost anything is allowed.
- Give people flak over the jokes they've posted or things they've said. Joke about them, like the above rule.
- Go overboard with the first two rules. When somebody asks you to stop, stop. Doubly so when a moderator contacts you.
- Throw around slurs and insults consistently without provocation.
- Use the above to weasel-word what constitutes harassment, against a user, person or group.
- Overreact or start a public fight when somebody else throws anything at you.

We Like It Tidy
So learn from mistakes!


◘ We have a bit of a way of organising ourselves in Off-Topic: keep it simple and consistent. Getting acquainted with the way the forum is built and what kind of topics go where is very important, because a lot of stuff which shouldn't go here ends up here because it is the less-serious part. Especially when creating a new topic, consider the following golden rule: can this thing I'm about to post generate five pages of discussion about the thing? If it can't, we have a Tʜʀᴇᴀᴅ Aʙᴏᴜᴛ Aʟʟ Kɪɴᴅs ᴏғ Tʜɪɴɢs and a Tʜʀᴇᴀᴅ Aʙᴏᴜᴛ Pᴇʀsᴏɴᴀʟ Tʜɪɴɢs which are both quite popular, and could get you a better response than making a fresh thread just for your subject would. If you're gutsy enough, you can always try, the worst thing is you'll fail.

THINGS TO DO:
- Create new threads with substantial, meaty, original content.
- Post things that aren't as substantial in threads designated for it, so that it may know its moment.
- Create duplicate threads about subject another thread already covers.
- Post in threads that are very old without something extremely substantial and meaty to add to them.
- Immediately shoot down any new thread without letting it have its run. Who knows what could happen?
- Make posts that don't add anything new such as replying with just "lol" or ">w<", or quoting someone without adding to it.


We Like It Serious (sometimes)
So act mature!

◘ While Off-Topic is a very fun forum to be a part of once you're settled in, it takes some effort to keep this entire show running smoothly. For this cause, there are two designated Off-Topic janitors: WOJJAN and DKUN. (that's me on the left!) We are responsible for the Off-Topic damage control: when somebody makes a thread here which should've gone elsewhere or already existed, we move and merge them. When a conversation gets out of hand, we lock a thread (and in worse cases move it to the Abandoned Wasteland) but while we don't often administer silences or timeouts to the ones responsible, we have friends who do. Anyone on the Admin team (which are those fine lads and lasses with the Green names) is also moderator in here, and counts as much as they do anywhere else on the forum. They still count here and they will have those powers, and are not afraid to use them. So if you fuck up along the way, and you get enough DINGS for the janitors to notice you as a DINGUS, expect some consequences.

THINGS TO DO:
- Report inappropriate behavior which wronged you or annoyed you to us, through PM or otherwise.
- Contact us for questions or information that's not about somebody who broke something. We can show you the way.
- Call us out on mistakes you think we might have made. We're human! It happens, and we'll gladly right the wrongs.
- Publicly complain about what you consider rude or wrongful intervention. It will only make things worse.
- Know that moderators are people too, with personal lives, sleep schedules, but also feelings (sort of).
I am a man                                           

They wrote:

Welcome back to Off-Topic


  • Things have Changed
Welcome to the new Off-Topic. Off-Topic HD, Off-Topic osz2, Off-Topic Mk II. We have given the project a lot of stupid names while setting up this rebirth. This forum is functionally near identical to what Off-Topic used to be: a place where people take the osu! community with a grain of salt, having a chuckle with itself, but this spring cleaning is to address some common problems that have gotten too ingrown in the old version: the community had gotten very shut-in, close-knit, and had a generally elitist and cilquey attitude towards new users. Off-Topic's motto has always been "just try to have fun." The new Off-Topic's motto is supposed to be "just try to make others have fun." Feel free to jab at one another, but don't poke somebody's eye out, is what I'm saying.

We (Mostly awp, Sakura, dkun and myself) decided to start anew. The old Off-Topic is not gone beyond salvage, it lies in the Abandoned Wasteland. You will find that in Vᴀʟʜᴀʟʟᴀ MAKE THIS LINK TO VALHALLA FUTURE WOJJIE the highlights of its legacy lie to rest. This forum is permanently locked to ordinary users, and all moderators are encouraged to steer clear from posting in these threads. This subforum will also continue to serve as the Elysium for amazing threads when they have run their course.

Following is a list of things that will change in the new Off-Topic. Some of these things might be confrontational. Rest assured that these have been discussed among the OT resident BATs and OPs: these points of action emphasise the direction in which we want to head with this new Off-Topic.

No Fighting

Talking smack about other users is disallowed. You are free to give people shit for their ideas and opinions when you rebuke them, but who they are should not be criticised. Focus on what other users do, not who other users are.
Posts that are no longer allowed:
Hurr german people
Gtfo my thread, asshole
Posts that are allowed:
Gtfo, you're acting like an asshole

No Agreeing

You're expected to have a decent opinion about the topic when posting. There already is a minimum length on posts, and it is not implemented as a game to circumvent it. If your post is absolutely insubstantial, it will be deleted posthaste. If you see somebody else who has voiced perfectly what you wanted to say, rare as that might be, either state that you agree with this person and add your own two cents or say nothing at all.
Posts that are no longer allowed:
lol xD
Gettysburg wrote:
Lilly is best girl
Posts that are allowed:
I agree with Gettysburg, Lilly's good ending was the best in the game.

No Complaining

If you have an issue with a thread, report it by sending a PM to either of the designated moderators. We are here to take care of them, we sometimes just need a moment to do so. What you shouldn't do under any circumstance is start flaming the user who made it. If you feel a topic of conversation is stupid, the most effective way to boycot it is to not be a part of it. If nobody holds a conversation about it, it dies automatically.
Posts that are no longer allowed:
locked and wastelanded
Posts that are allowed:
None. No complaining, whatsoever.
Wojjan
Dear Loliflan: lurk more. The wojjlog is there for people to use, and I have made a rulespost about NSFW earlier. I'm fine with anyone disagreeing on my NSFW policy and going against my decisions, but talk to me about these things. I can't do my job if you don't
dkun
as a general notice to every other mod that lurks OT

use duck-sama to your advantange. people seem to listen if you stick the damn duck on the thread
what was originally a joke turned into a sort of an authority figure

or just go on about your day doing what you do, either way
dkun
Wojjan: OTHD rules.

publish?
Wojjan
Trust me when I say I have a plan for this forum.
dkun
well, it's a start
Nyquill
I thought I'd mention something here.

I recently WL'd a thread because of the inherent consequences of not doing so is too great. I doubt you want to restore it, but if you do its in wl.
dkun
THE DEAD SEMI-PRIVATE MOD THREAD LIVES ON AGAIN

HURRAH

but in all seriousness, you're fine
MillhioreF
man, I just saw this thread and nearly approved it. Way to go me.

luckily I didn't so WOOP WOOP super secret mod zone
Derekku
Nearly 2 1/2 years; man how time flies...
Wojjan
Friendly reminder to move stupid threads to the wasteland instead of letting them rot in OT. This is why the wojjlog was so cool!
dkun
I let them rot for a day or two for OP to realize how stupid their thread was. Makes sense, right? Duly noted, though.

Also, a note to our lord savior Shellghost:

Please make your own version of the WOJJLOG. The seagull wasn't too happy with the one I made for you.
Shellghost
Is it really necessary? Seems like a lot of effort which I could avoid doing.
Wojjan
If you want to see how well people take moderation when it's not spelled out to them by the action take a gander at Yoeri's posts in the tfw thread.
Shellghost
I think Yoeri is a special case of retard at the moment.

People that deep in the rabit hole will act stupid no matter how the moderation is presented to them
dkun
fwiw, you don't need to follow up with it Shellghost.

It's usage for all mods in the house, I guess Eph just wants you to start it. Since you know, you're our savior for the next x amount of time.
Shellghost
Tell him it's a WIP then :^)
Trash Boat
Like, seriously, nobody can see this thread? At all? ._. This thread is a paradox on itself.
Friendan
hi
Bweh
Don't.
Nyquill
holy shit I almost forgot this was here
kirueggy
A crocodile snatches a young boy from a riverbank. His mother pleads with the crocodile to return him, to which the crocodile replies that he will only return the boy safely if the mother can guess correctly whether or not he will indeed return the boy. There is no problem if the mother guesses that the crocodile will return him—if she is right, he is returned; if she is wrong, the crocodile keeps him. If she answers that the crocodile will not return him, however, we end up with a paradox: if she is right and the crocodile never intended to return her child, then the crocodile has to return him, but in doing so breaks his word and contradicts the mother’s answer. On the other hand, if she is wrong and the crocodile actually did intend to return the boy, the crocodile must then keep him even though he intended not to, thereby also breaking his word.
Pep
What if you wished for your wish to not come true.
Trash Boat
You build a time machine in order to go back to the past to kill your grandfather, thus preventing you from being conceived. You succeed in your mission, but because of it, the grandfather paradox triggers, in which states that if you kill your grandfather, you wouldnt have been conceived, therefore you wouldnt have created the time machine. But if you havent created the time machine, your grandfather would still be alive, and thus you would have been conceived. But if you have been conceived, then you could have went back to the past to kill your grandfather, and it keeps going indefinitely.
Trash Boat
oh ahd does a set of all sets contain itself?
Antlia-
Cyclohexane
new design ruined this thread's purpose
Trash Boat

Mr Color wrote:

new design ruined this thread's purpose

I hardly think so. When people check that most posts are from mods-slash-managers-slash-admins-slash-alumnis, shitposters will be like

deadbeat
yet you're still posting here
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