Masaki Gaillard (cv: Kiritani Hana) - Daisuki Nanda

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Ephemeral
"CV" is the correct metadata given from Alveryn's assertions and associated proof via the backside barcode image. Though the front side denotes "cv", acronym use is traditionally purely in uppercase (ie: CV) and the official frontside image is either incorrect or uses "cv" as a stylistic choice.

In respect to the common nomenclature and official metadata, "CV" is plainly the right choice for this particular case and needs no further discussion from either party, though I would encourage both of you to be more civil in your discussions in the future, even if such things can be rather frustrating at times.
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Asuka_-
edit : delete
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Asuka_-
@Ephemeral, Alveryn
Can we use a mail-order site such as Amazon as reference of meta?
Although it may be provided from the official, I think that there is no evidence of it.

I understand that "CV" should be given priority in cases where both "CV" and "cv" are present.
In this case, I think that "CV" is probably correct.

Let's finish the discussion.

If there is no opinion from IamKwan, I will change it.

edit : My information is not reliable. sorry.
hyouri
If you think retail site such as Amazon is "not official" why not use my other 3490312471941 sources I linked? For example, the Backside and Barcode?? Why are you mentioning only Amazon as if it's my only reference?

You are trying very hard to make my post as invalid as possible by ignoring all the important parts. And the fact that you are awaiting IamKwan who's just as much in denial as you, he will obviously say no, you guys don't care about the facts you just want me to be wrong.
hyouri
edit: double post, says "topic does not exist" when I try to send a post
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Asuka_-

I wrote:

I understand that "CV" should be given priority in cases where both "CV" and "cv" are present.
In this case, I think that "CV" is probably correct.

Let's finish the discussion.
Ephemeral said that "CV" is reasonable, so I will follow it.
It is clear that Backside and Barcode is official. I was not saying that because it was obvious that it was official. (I have never said that it is not official. xd)
Because "CV" and "cv" are mixed, I change to "CV" according to Ephemeral's opinion.
Discussion about "CV or cv" is already over


Whether Amazon can be used as a reference is another agenda.
I had doubts about the mail order site you presented.



Certainly I am waiting for IamKwan's posting, but that is for confirmation of the discussion.
IamKwaN

Alveryn wrote:

But the most convincing and real proof is the fact that I got the backside (you can even Barcode-scan it) and as I suspected IT HAS CV! Which disproves all your false accusations of "being on the cover means it's the official way to write" as we can see it's corrected here in the BACKSIDE
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Alveryn wrote:

If you think retail site such as Amazon is "not official" why not use my other 3490312471941 sources I linked? For example, the Backside and Barcode?? Why are you mentioning only Amazon as if it's my only reference?

You are trying very hard to make my post as invalid as possible by ignoring all the important parts. And the fact that you are awaiting IamKwan who's just as much in denial as you, he will obviously say no, you guys don't care about the facts you just want me to be wrong.
None of the songs here is the exact same song as 大好きなんだ? They are some other songs.
I have pretty much repeated many times that we have to stick with the exact alias for this exact song. I am also not against you on this matter but judging everything based on facts and rules.

Amazon and other retail stores are not treated as official reference for a while because they have already given us so many incorrect metadata examples in recent years. When there are direct materials released from the official, why do we bother to follow those unofficial third party information outside? If you need examples, I can grab some for you.

Ephemeral wrote:

"CV" is the correct metadata given from Alveryn's assertions and associated proof via the backside barcode image. Though the front side denotes "cv", acronym use is traditionally purely in uppercase (ie: CV) and the official frontside image is either incorrect or uses "cv" as a stylistic choice.

In respect to the common nomenclature and official metadata, "CV" is plainly the right choice for this particular case and needs no further discussion from either party, though I would encourage both of you to be more civil in your discussions in the future, even if such things can be rather frustrating at times.
First, The backside barcode image does not indicate any songs namely 大好きなんだ. Second, you can't prove neither the official frontside image being incorrect nor using "cv" as a stylistic choice. Thus, I don't agree discussion is over. Please do not pop in and end our discussion suddenly. Please.


I refrain from allowing more lenient metadata because doing so simply complicates stuff. The regime is being moved away from a yes or no solely based on official source to one which adds personal preference, opinion, widespread practice of other songs or even Wikipedia. If you change the metadata framework from a pretty much objective one to one which involves subjective judgement, I'd say we are not moving the system forward but backward.

Last but not least, let me repeat. My approach is always no flexibility is granted only when the official endows such flexibility, for example, they have multiple references stating different metadata. So, my treatment here is only usage of cv is allowed.

That's what I want to say. Let's see what some other metadata dudes say.
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Asuka_-
I will follow the results of the discussion.
In addition, my remarks so far (official, notofficial, etc.) do not seem to have certainty, so please do not use in discussion.
hyouri

IamKwan wrote:

None of the songs here is the exact same song as 大好きなんだ? They are some other songs.
I have pretty much repeated many times that we have to stick with the exact alias for this exact song. I am also not against you on this matter but judging everything based on facts and rules.
This is by far the weakest argument you've had so far. Yes you are right, the song is not stated there on the backside, but do you notice how there are 3 other songs? (Vol 1, Vol 2, Vol 3)

If we look at the Vol 3 album, you'll see something you might recognize.

Original name: 「天色*アイルノーツ」キャラクターソングVol.3 アオゾラキャンバス
Artists: Shiraga Airi (CV: Natsuno Koori), Shirley Warwick (CV: Kitami Rikka), Amagiri Yune (CV: Toyota Sera), Masaki Gaillard (CV: Kiritani Hana)
Lyricist: kala (Angel Note)
Composer: Famishin (Yuzusoft)
Arranger: Inohara Satoru (Angel Note)
Release date: May 17, 2013
Catalog number: YSCD-0029
Publisher: Yuzusoft


Oh look! It's lower-case "cv"! hmm but Alveryn says it's CV? What about Vol 2?

Original name: 「天色*アイルノーツ」キャラクターソングVol.2 私だけの空
Artists: Amagiri Yune (CV: Toyota Sera), Shirley Warwick (CV: Kitami Rikka), Shiraga Airi (CV: Natsuno Koori), Masaki Gaillard (CV: Kiritani Hana)
Lyricist: Riryka (Angel Note)
Composer: Famishin (Yuzusoft)
Arranger: Shiranui Tsubasa (Angel Note)
Release date: April 19, 2013
Catalog number: YSCD-0028
Publisher: Yuzusoft


Wait looks like IamKwan is right? Nope.

If we look at backside again...



Backside shows CV for all 3 previous Volumes, which means that it is the official AND corrected format even though frontside shows stylized "cv". Backside of CD is always corrected and shows song-list.

You are making this very opinion-based rather than admitting you are wrong, and all you want is for me to be wrong, you don't care about the facts anymore I don't know why I even bother. (yes oxford comma is superior)

To be honest, I don't know how peppy can make you a QAT, this is nothing but sad times for this community.

IamKwan wrote:

You can't prove neither the official frontside image being incorrect nor using "cv" as a stylistic choice
I just did, just read the text above. And also this does not justify making yours any more valid. If we both can't prove which one is correct format, why should we use yours? QAT powers wins? Luckily, I've won so that's not an issue.

IamKwan wrote:

Amazon and other retail stores are not treated as official reference for a while because they have already given us so many incorrect metadata examples in recent years. When there are direct materials released from the official, why do we bother to follow those unofficial third party information outside? If you need examples, I can grab some for you.
This is kind of true. This would be true if there was maybe one or two sites that used incorrect format, but in this case EVERY retail, website, torrent, backside, store uses CV as if they were given CV as album information? I mean you can CLEARLY see that it says "cv" on the frontside, but album information given to these companies says CV? Why are they all using CV, there must be some retail that sells it in the metadata of "cv"? Is it just a coincidence that all companies are wrong?

And yes please provide examples that are not official from companies (not sold second hand). I'd like to see some game OST's with incorrect metadata sold on ALL those sites and not just Amazon.

To be honest I kind of want to give up and it's very obvious that my information is correct and anyone with a basic understanding of common sense and able to realize that their argument is too weak and the evidence is too strong would agree. I am beyond frustrated right now and it's obvious you know that I am right but you only keep denying it to dig further and my evidence is way more legit than yours even if both can't be 100% proven. You take any uncertainty you can find in my text and use that as counter-argument to boost your self-esteem which is kind of sad.

It's not like I had a chance to begin with since you are QAT and also too ignorant and stubborn. In case this discussion continues for god-knows-what reason and you manage to convince by opinion that you are right, enjoy the useless win, I'll give you a tinfoil hat if yours get too big for your tiny head as reward, just hit me up.
peppy
who the fuck cares. let the mapper use what they want and give up this argument.

if another essay gets posted i'm locking this thread.
hyouri
fuck this

congratz kwan and asuka you get to keep your tinfoil hats, all my evidence was for nothing :)
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Asuka_-
I use "cv" because I thought that it is impossible to break down the meta system for many years.
Thanks peppy
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Asuka_-
bn req
Akitoshi
がんばれ(
Silky
一つだけ思うところがあったので書かせて頂きます、正直割とどうでもいいと思う人もいるので無視でも構いません
01:53:958 (5,1) - 同じような配置/音取りをしている00:23:958 (5,1) - に比べSVが高く設定されているにもかかわらず十分なdistanceが確保できておらず、
カーソルの流れの延長線上にあるのも加えて1/2に誤認される可能性があると思いました。
この状態からさらにdistanceを広げるのは厳しいなので、流れを折って1/1スペースであると認識させやすくするために右下に01:54:333 (1) - を移動させる、
例えばこのような感じにするのはいかがですか?

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good mapです! 桐谷華好きなんで頑張ってください
defiance
could i get a proper response to my mod please?
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Asuka_-

Kanau wrote:

一つだけ思うところがあったので書かせて頂きます、正直割とどうでもいいと思う人もいるので無視でも構いません
01:53:958 (5,1) - 同じような配置/音取りをしている00:23:958 (5,1) - に比べSVが高く設定されているにもかかわらず十分なdistanceが確保できておらず、
カーソルの流れの延長線上にあるのも加えて1/2に誤認される可能性があると思いました。
この状態からさらにdistanceを広げるのは厳しいなので、流れを折って1/1スペースであると認識させやすくするために右下に01:54:333 (1) - を移動させる、
例えばこのような感じにするのはいかがですか?

[]
good mapです! 桐谷華好きなんで頑張ってください
修正しました! ありがとうございます~ 返信遅くなってほんとすいません!www 
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Asuka_-

osuskrub wrote:

could i get a proper response to my mod please?
sorry, i forgot places i fixed...
but i remember your mod is good...
really sorry.
Prinsep
Insane diff

00:10:083 (2,3,4) - 4 is louder than 2 and 3 but has the same spacing
00:14:208 (1,2,3,4) - 3 broke flow when there's nothing special there
00:25:646 (3,1) - doesnt look like a proper blanket
00:37:083 (2) - no sound, and the spacing is just as big as 00:37:833 (1,2,3) - these
00:44:583 (2,3) - these 2 feel like they stand out cause of that spacing
00:53:396 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - why is the spacing getting smaller as the combo progresses? song doesnt really lower intensity, kinda stays the same
01:05:677 (2) - i dont think i hear a sound supporting this circle over map?
01:10:833 (5,6) - this spacing feels kinda big when not much changes
01:17:677 (2) - i dont hear anything hear as well, over map?
01:24:896 (1,2,3,4,5) - this kinda feels abit much for the calm part of song
01:26:208 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
02:04:833 (1,2) - over lap these
02:07:083 (2) - no sound here
02:07:833 (1,2,3) - feel like this should be more spaced than 02:06:896 (1,2,3,4) - this
02:20:958 (3) - add a NC here? the gap in the time line changed and actually caught me off guard when playing xd

there was one certain reddish brown combo colour that was kinda hard to see with a low BG dim
Delis
[General]
sourceのromanised versionとして、Amairo Islenautsをtagsに入れておきましょう。
offset +5程、してもいいかもしれません。
normal-hitclap.wavは使われてないみたいです
[Insane]
個人的に、一プレイヤーとしては00:12:333 (1,2,3) - や00:24:333 (1,2,3) - 等のキックはSVがもう少し早い方が叩きやすいです汗更に言えば、各スライダーの置き方をもう少し、曲に合わせて変えてみるとか一工夫あるとより面白くなると思います。https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8595891 例えばここでは、00:12:521 - の裏の音が強いのに対し00:12:708 - は控えめなので、 前のスライダーの近めに置き、かつ次のパートがサビと思わせておとなしめの、SVも以前のパートと同じように控えめのAIM動作から導入した方が合うと思ったので3の向きを次のスライダーに合わせてます。それと、ここからのパートの配置が実際のサビとそう変わらないレベルのジャンプ配置になっているので、もう少し控えめに配置するべきだと思います。例えば00:13:646 (3,4,5) - のジャンプ等やろうと思えばいくらでも小さく出来、かつ曲調と合います。 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8595932

00:23:958 - 3/4,或いは1/2等のスライダーからキックスライダーに導入させた方が曲と合うように感じました。自分だけかもしれません。01:53:958 (5) - ここも。
00:37:083 (2) - 流石にこのサークルはいらないのでは・・・?完全に曲内の無音な箇所にサークルを置いていて、かつここは1/1のgapが合った方が絶対に合う箇所、だと思います。配置に関しては、このサークルを消すだけで自然に合うかと思いますが改めて確認してみてください。02:07:083 (2) - 同じくです。因みにスタックさせるのがダブルタイムでプレイする際に一番やりやすいです!
01:24:146 (3,4) - 恐らく順番に、clap - 何もなし、whistle - whistleが一番合うんじゃないかなあ、と。
01:17:208 (1) - ここでfinishを付ける選択をするのであれば、01:00:896 (1) - や01:12:896 (1) - にもあるべきかと。
01:41:958 (3,1) - 少し離れすぎな気がw完全にスタックさせるまでにしないにしろ、もう少し近くて良いと思います。
01:59:958 (4,5) - 4から5へ、そしてそこから下にスライダーが流れるのが個人的に好きじゃないpatternなので一つ提案を。https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8596025 このように流れを重視して配置させた方がこの場合は良いんじゃないかな、と。なぜかと言うとサークルパターンならともかく、スライダーの場合向きにより大分流れの印象が変わり、ここで特別変わった流れ、配置をする必要は無い様に思えたので。
02:09:708 (7) - 必要以上に前後の配置と離れていて、曲と合ってない印象を受けました。適当に近づけて、90℃ほど回転させてみると02:09:896 (1) - とより合うかも・・? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8596056
02:14:583 (2) - ここでスライダーを挟んで02:13:458 (4,5,6,7,8) - のジャンプに一区切りをつけるのではなく、02:14:396 (1,2) - をより近づけてジャンプの流れを一旦休憩させた方がより綺麗なマッピングに仕上がると思います。https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8596066 (配置は若干ランダムです)
02:20:404 - 緑線ずれてます
02:21:333 (1,2,3) - よく曲を聞いてみると、02:21:333 (1,2) - はほとんど同じ音なのに対して02:21:708 (3) - だけ違いますね、なので3つまとめて一緒に見えるような配置にするのではなく、02:21:520 (2,3) - を CTRL+Gする、等で少し区切ったように見せる配置に変えてみると、なお曲に合うように出来ると思います。やってみてください。
余談ですが、AR9,OD8の方がpp的にも譜面の配置的にも合うかも?
[Hard]
DSを使用されていて、基本的に一定のspacingなのでAR7で十分かと思います。
00:12:896 - Insaneと同じようにSVx0.8の方が合うのでは・・?
00:17:958 (3) - overlapさせない方が綺麗だと思います https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8596103
00:23:864 - の方が目立つ音なのに対し、00:23:677 - の方で音を取った理由がよくわかりませんでした。1/1スライダー後に1/4snapで3連打の音を取るのは、比較的難しめの音取りで若干タイミングが合わせづらく、あまり良いデザインになっているとは思えませんでした。サークル削除、そして 00:23:864 - に追加、もしくは1/2のリズムでも良いと思います。
00:24:333 (1) - 不必要なNCかな?
00:51:708 (6) - もう1個リバースを入れてからスライダーに入ったほうがスライダー終点にてシンバル音をfinishで拾えるのでいい感じになるかも。
しいて言うなら、この難易度はx1.3 dsベースの難易度であるに関わらず、1/2のサークルスタック等が最初以外に一切無く単調、と言ったようなマッピングに見えます。たぶんスローパート (01:18:896 - や00:12:896 -)に何個か増やしてみるともう少し見栄えが良くなると思います。
[Normal]
00:30:146 (6,7) - 恐らく00:28:646 (3) - と同じように、スライダーを代わりに使った方がボーカルをうまくカバーしてる感が出るんじゃないでしょうか?
00:54:521 - 一応normalと言う事で、ルール上は00:54:146 - から配置できるんですが、00:54:521 - にサークル置いてからスピナー後の配置をスタートさせた方が合うかもしれません、特にここには少し特殊な強い音があるので。
01:47:771 (5,6) - ボーカルメインの音取りからいきなり裏の音に変わるのは少し分かりづらいリズムかもしれません。サークル、1/1スライダー、といった音取りでボーカルを丁寧にフォローした方が叩きやすいでしょう。https://delisha.s-ul.eu/yUwtCbzJ
02:00:146 (6,7) - 00:30:146 (6,7) -と同じ理由でスライダーの方が良いと思います。
02:09:333 (2,3) - リズムが変です、ギターをちゃんとスライダーでカバーできていないので、02:09:333 (2) - のリバースを減らす、02:09:708 - に02:09:896 (3) - を持ってくる、02:10:271 - にサークル。のような音取りがいいのでは!
[Easy]
00:15:896 (1) - 少し曲がっているより、直線の方がきれいです。
00:32:958 (4,1) - このoverlapは少し初心者には難しいかも・・・。
01:21:146 (3) - 内側より、外側に流れるように配置したほうが叩きやすくなるかと、こんな感じ: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8596397
02:02:583 (4,5) - このような、直線のスライダーの直前でoverlapさせると少しだけやりづらさが増すので、Easyではあまりお勧めできない配置です。
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