1. 00:00:889 (1,2,3) - The fact that you change SV midcombo is quite misleading. If you put a NC on (3) it makes it more readable.
2. 00:02:261 (1,2,3) - ^ Same here
3. 00:02:947 (3) - Seems to be missnapped. I believe it should be a 1/1 slider ending on 00:03:290.
4. 00:07:061 (2,3,4) - I would get (3,4) further away from (2) because right now (3,4) look like they would come earlier than they actually do.
5. 00:08:090 (3,4,5) - ^ Same here. I would get (5) further away from (3,4).
6. 00:19:405 (7) - This looks exactly like 00:17:690 (1). NC here too
7. 00:22:147 (1,2,3) - Since most of the arrangements with this timing DON'T look like this, I would change 00:22:147 (1,2,3) to look more like 00:23:518 (1,2,3), for consistency.
8. 00:24:204 (5,6) - (6) broke flow when there was nothing to be emphasized at 00:24:547.
9. 00:27:632 (1,2,3,4,5) - This is nicely done
10. 00:29:004 (1,2,3) - Broke flow here again without anything to emphasize.
11. 00:31:061 (1,2,3) - Any particular reason why we don't see this arrangement ever again? Apart from 00:33:804 (5,6) I guess.
12. 00:37:918 (5,6) - To be completely honest, this looks nicer than what you did at 00:31:061 (1,2,3) & 00:33:804 (5,6).
13. 00:39:975 (1,2,3,4) - Looks slightly squished owo
14. 00:44:432 (1,2,3,4) - If there is anything you can do about this spacing I encourage you to do it.
15. 00:53:689 (1,2,3,4,5) - Kind of a weird pattern

1. 00:00:205 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Spacing is kind of weird in between (1) and (2,3,4,5,6).
2. 00:03:805 (1,2,3,4,5) - Weird spacing here too.
3. 00:06:547 (1,2,3,4,5) - Equal musical gap from (1) to (2) to (3,4,5) but it's visually different.
4. 00:14:947 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Spacing looks even but the rhythm is really not even at all.
5. 00:17:691 (1,2,3) - This is also very weird and possibly unreadable
6. 00:17:691 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Also (2,3) looks exactly like (6,7) but they are different rhythmically.
7. 00:22:147 (1,2) - This could just be replaced by a slider and still be nice.
8. 00:22:319 (2) - You break flow here but the sond you need to emphasize is on 00:22:147 (1).
9. 00:26:947 (1,2,1) - Spacing is weird here and emphasizes the wrong sound.
10. 00:28:490 (1,2) - It is really difficult to hear the sounds you are mapping. It sounds like you are trying to emphasize nothing here with the flow break at (2). Either make hitsounds quieter or don't break flow here.
11. 00:29:176 (1,2) - ^
12. 00:30:719 (1,2,3,1,1,2,3,4,5) - I have no idea whether you meant to prioritise the voice or the percussion here. Keep what you are prioritising consistent by either prioritising the percussion like you have been doing so far or by prioritising the vocals from 00:30:719 to 00:32:776.
13. 00:32:090 (2) - Because of the loud hitsounds it's impossible to hear the sound here so it sounds like overmapping.
14. 00:33:119 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - Same flow & hitsound stuff as before. Either make the hitsounds quieter or don't break flow.
15. 00:43:747 (7,1) - I don't see the need to emphasize (1) with larger spacing here.
16. 00:45:976 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - Angles are above the usual 60-70 degrees. We haven't seen wide angle jumps like these in such a large quantity and spacing before, so this is a difficulty spike and a bad one since the song is actually quieter here.
17. 00:48:205 (8,9) - (9) is not audibly stronger than (8) so there is no need to break flow. This is the same hitsound & flow stuff as earlier. I won't point any more of these out.
18. 00:54:376 (1,2,3,4,5) - Same wide angle stuff as 00:45:976 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2).
19. 00:59:519 (2,1) - Spacing here should be bigger than that at 00:59:176 (1,2).
20. 01:04:147 (1,2,3) - These are spaced too closely, I would either put them much closer to each other, or put them further away.
21. 01:05:862 (4,5) - Spacing for these two is the same as for 01:04:833 (2,3) but they are rhythmically very different.

1. 00:03:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This spacing is very even but the rhythm is very, very uneven. Therefore, the spacing is bad.
2. 00:03:805 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I have no idea what sounds this is mapped to.
3. 00:03:976 - This vocal is completely ignored because?
4. 00:06:719 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I have no idea what you are trying to prioritise and why
5. 00:09:633 (1,2) - I don't hear anything here because hitsounds are too loud.
6. 00:11:176 (5) - I don't understand why there is a whistle here, not only does it make it impossible to hear what you are trying to emphasize, but it also shouldn't really be there.
7. 00:11:862 (1,2,3,4,5) - You mapped this very differently before with obtuse angle jumps, using acute angles now breaks expectations.
8. 00:13:233 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ I shouldn't need to mention this because this is literally the same pattern.
9. 00:14:947 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Too many of these overmapped sections.
10. 00:24:890 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Mapped differently from 00:22:147 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) but it's the exact same thing.
11. 00:26:262 (8) - I don't understand why you're mapping this small bit with a 1/4 rhythm.
12. 00:26:947 (1,2,3,4) - You're emphasizing stuff here and I don't hear why.
13. 00:28:147 (1,2,3,4,5) - These don't have much thought to them at all.
14. 00:29:519 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
15. 00:30:890 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
16. 00:32:262 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Why use obtuse angle jumps when you've been using acute angle jumps for the whole kiai time??
17. 00:37:747 (1,2,3,4,5) - Please actually put thought about spacing emphasis and flow into your jumps rather than making them look nice and give pp.
18. 00:38:262 (4,3) - Stack these please.
19. 00:41:347 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I can't hear what this is mapped to.
20. 00:45:805 (5) - NC here.
21. 00:46:662 - There is sound here.
22. 00:48:547 (5) - Why is there a need for emphasis here? Stream corners are used for emphasis and not aesthetics.
23. 00:49:576 (1,2,3,4) - Weird rhythm here. Part of this is mapped to 1/4 rhythm and the other part is 1/2 rhythm. This is hard to read.
24. 00:50:262 (5,6,7,8) - ^ Exact same pattern as before.
25. 00:50:947 (1,2,3,4) - This is the first time you've used obtuse angle jumps in this kiai time. You have used lots of acute angle jumps though; this is out of place.
26. 00:51:290 (3,4,1) - Quite a large jump from (4) to (1) since the player's cursor will be stationary.
27. 00:52:662 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is the last time you use wide angle jumps in this kiai time. This is out of place.
28. 00:56:947 (7) - What exactly do you need to emphasize here? Please explain.
29. 00:57:804 (1,2,3,4) - These are a gimmick we've never seen before. Please remove as adding these earlier in the map isn't really suitable.
30. 00:57:804 (1,2,3,4) - Also, obtuse angle jump. You didn't use obtuse angle jumps for the first ~45% of the map and the first ~30 seconds.
31. 00:59:862 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps are overmapping and random. Please fix. At least they're not obtuse angle jumps though.
32. 01:01:233 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps are random.
33. 01:02:604 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps have acute angles.
34. 01:03:976 (5) - Nothing needs to be emphasized here but it is.

Forzaken4K wrote:

Sorry I'm a little late.

I'll mod the general/basic stuff (I'm new to modding)

First off, I think the map is too straight forward, you should use blankets and try more variety (or distance) on jumps. Eh, I kinda gave up on this map already. Will come back when I actually learn how to map.
The combo colors don't seem to fit the background. Yeah I just wanted colors to contrast with the background and dim.
Hitsounds are loud, try to lower them a bit.

• [Hard]
  Most of the map is just going around, try to mix things up a little.
  00:03:805 - There's a sound here. Very awkward to map that. Just doesn't play well, also for the first part, I mapped on vocals.
  00:06:547 - ^
  00:10:147 - ^ (very quiet tho)
  00:14:776 - ^
  00:11:861 (1,2,3) - Just a tip, when mapping the vocals, try to add whistles to the slider start circle, it sounds nice.
  00:23:175 (6) - Hitsounds?
  00:46:147 (1,2,3,4) - I like this pattern. :]
  01:06:032 (11) - I don't think this sould be a whistle, maybe a finish instead

• [Insane]
  00:10:147 - Here, there's a quiet sound, that would be good for a slider end to be there, so 00:09:805 - Should be a slider. I tried mapping around that too, its just an echo so I ignored it.
  00:14:776 - There's a sound here.
  00:22:137 - Kiai isn't snapped. (though this isn't such a big deal, it would be nice to fix)
  00:27:284 - Kiai's end too.
  Some hitsounds are missing, 00:28:662 (2) - For example.
  00:35:519 (2) - There's a weird red tick on the slider shape.
  00:39:632 (6) - Object's end isn't snapped.
  00:58:662 (1) - Sliders should start on the white tick (strong sound).

I'm sorry if I didn't help, or if you already fixed them before.
Nice song btw.

19:04 Yamicchi: well first things, aesthetics
19:04 Fursum: is it that bad
19:04 Yamicchi: a bit
19:05 Yamicchi: 00:00:171 (1,2,3,4,5) - I can tell by this
19:05 Yamicchi: there are many ways to create a clean pattern
19:05 Yamicchi: using symmetrycal or geometrycal
19:05 Fursum: should i just create a circular pattern
19:06 Yamicchi: idk it might destroy the emphasis if you don't create it well
19:06 Yamicchi: here lemme give you an example on what is good
19:07 Yamicchi: http://puu.sh/weiUc/31355e0ce6.jpg
19:07 Yamicchi: what do you think
19:07 Yamicchi: I combine the 2 parallel sliders with a blanket of 00:01:204 (4,5) - 
19:07 Fursum: yeah its pretty simple
19:07 Yamicchi: that's what I called clean
19:08 Yamicchi: 00:03:776 (1,2,3) - love this
19:08 Yamicchi: the spacing is good
19:08 Yamicchi: 00:03:776 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - actually this whole pattern is good tho
19:09 Fursum: http://imgur.com/bxPgEyX
19:09 Fursum: how is this
19:09 Yamicchi: adjust the (4) to blanket with (3) too and it's good
19:10 Yamicchi: 00:07:033 (3,5) - not such a good idea here
19:10 Yamicchi: 00:10:461 (1,2,3,4,1) - geez this is so far the best
19:10 Yamicchi: 00:16:633 (9) - NC this one?
19:11 Fursum: oops
19:11 Fursum: the colors are pretty close and i dont have numbers on
19:11 Fursum: :p
19:12 Yamicchi: lol you should use other skin to map
19:13 Yamicchi: 00:14:747 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - well the pattern here is so linear, it doesn't express the song well, how about sth like http://puu.sh/wej83/280d3fffef.jpg
19:13 Yamicchi: 00:15:261 (4) - spacing emphasis here and 00:15:947 (6) - break flow for different vocal here
19:14 Fursum: hmm
19:14 Fursum: the pattern is so symmetrical though
19:14 Fursum: :D
19:14 Yamicchi: yea xd
19:14 Yamicchi: just a suggestion
19:16 Yamicchi: ok talking about the kiai. Remember when you map DnB, kicks and snares are the 2 most important things to be mapped. Along with that are the synth, rhythm and vocal
19:17 Fursum: i have some snares on slider ends because of the vocals
19:17 Fursum: but the slider heads should have a similar sound
19:17 Yamicchi: you should at least increase the spacing for like 90% of the snares except for those special ones where you choose to follow something else, but it should be convinced
19:18 Yamicchi: well for ex from the start of the kiai to 00:24:861 - here, there are nothing special to be mapped except for the kicks/snares right?
19:19 Fursum: i went for a flow break emphasis instead of spacing because sr was a bit low than i expected
19:19 Fursum: but i guess it will help with the sr too
19:19 Yamicchi: light insane you're making right?
19:19 Fursum: yeah
19:19 Yamicchi: if you wanna break the flow it should go along with a bit of spacing increase too
19:20 Yamicchi: http://puu.sh/wejsp/4e01bd1757.jpg small example
19:21 Yamicchi: you're in 45k rank so I believe you would feel the flow better this way too right?
19:21 Yamicchi: I mean you've gotta know what is a good flow and what is not
19:21 Yamicchi: when to break the flow and when not to
19:21 Fursum: kind of :p
19:22 Yamicchi: haha ok xd

08:27 Fursum: i have to apply the mod first though
08:27 Fursum: it can take a bit
08:27 Manakravte: tell me when you're ready
08:48 Fursum: alright i updated the map
08:49 Manakravte: alright
08:49 Manakravte: gonna take about 5 minutes to familiarize myself with your style
08:51 Manakravte: alright
08:51 Manakravte: do you have anything to say before i start?
08:52 Fursum: not really
08:53 Manakravte: what are you following for rhythm?
08:53 Fursum: vocals on calm sections and percussion when available
08:54 Manakravte: 00:03:604 - note here
08:55 Manakravte: so vocals come before percussion basically?
08:55 Manakravte: 00:06:347 - note here, just follow the pattern
08:56 Fursum: some percussions are not clickable because of the held vocals
08:56 Fursum: but every percussion should be mapped
08:57 Manakravte: 00:13:890 (3,1) - inconsistant spacing
08:57 Manakravte: you should use "red" more
08:58 Manakravte: 00:21:433 - example
08:59 Manakravte: i saw you only used the color red in your map 2 times
08:59 Manakravte: one of them doesn't make sense btw @ 02:09:604 (1,2,3,4) - 
08:59 Fursum: yeah red doesnt really exist in the bg so i just used fot those special occasions
09:01 Manakravte: from what i can see, you're not using "red" for anything special except when she says "red"
09:01 Manakravte: unless you plan to do something more with it, i'd get rid of it altogether
09:01 Fursum: yeah
09:01 Fursum: it doesnt hurt though
09:01 Fursum: i have got enough colors for the rest of the map
09:02 Manakravte: it hurts when you use it incorrectly
09:02 Manakravte: 01:03:261 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - i am not sure what rhythm you are using here
09:02 Manakravte: can you explain
09:03 Fursum: for the snares
09:04 Manakravte: rather strange for there to be less notes when instrumental is still active
09:04 Fursum: but the instrumental overlaps with the snares
09:04 Fursum: so no notes skipped there
09:05 Fursum: maybe i skipped some held vocals though
09:05 Manakravte: no, all the notes in between were skipped
09:06 Manakravte: there are notes skipped and it's blatant
09:06 Fursum: oh yeah i skipped a kick
09:06 Fursum: oops
09:07 Manakravte: also, i hope you know that there is a major disadvantage for purely following vocals
09:08 Fursum: i didnt ignore strong instrumentals though
09:08 Fursum: 01:27:947 -
09:08 Fursum: like on this part
09:09 Manakravte: 01:22:461 - strong piano sound
09:09 Manakravte: 01:19:718 - another
09:09 Manakravte: 01:14:233 - and another
09:10 Fursum: hmm
09:10 Manakravte: 00:46:118 - 
09:10 Manakravte: and the list goes on
09:11 Manakravte: take this however you want, but if you removed vocals from this song, it would be a pile of nonsense
09:11 Manakravte: it has disadvantages
09:11 Fursum: haha
09:12 Manakravte: yes, it's like trusting your drunk friend to drive you home
09:12 Fursum: yeah but for example on the only vocal mapped part, the song is pretty calm and i dont really want to crowd it with too many notes
09:12 Manakravte: but he's your friend, so you don't have to completely ignore him
09:13 Manakravte: the "crowding" that you'd do for those parts is actually fine
09:14 Manakravte: oh and more spacing inconsistancies that i can count
09:15 Manakravte: 00:46:118 - example 1
09:17 Manakravte: 00:51:261 (2,3,4,1) - example 2
09:17 Fursum: those are for emphasis on snares
09:17 Fursum: other notes have distance snap on
09:20 Manakravte: 00:52:290 (1) - why is this note not farther then?
09:21 Manakravte: it has the same signifiance as the note you mentioned
09:21 Fursum: not really
09:21 Fursum: i can even stack it with 00:52:118 (4) -
09:22 Manakravte: no, it has the same signifiance
09:24 Manakravte: another issue is aesthetics
09:24 Manakravte: you must have heard this from other modders as well
09:25 Manakravte: your slider placements have 2 problems that i can think of
09:25 Fursum: yeah i did :p
09:26 Manakravte: 1. it just doesn't LOOK good
09:26 Manakravte: 2. the placement doesn't have any PLAYING purpose
09:27 Manakravte: 00:24:518 (6) - example
09:27 Manakravte: i'll skip point one since i can really explain it well
09:28 Manakravte: as for the purpose, this slider is very short
09:28 Manakravte: so you hold while very slightly going to the right, and then it goes to the next note
09:29 Manakravte: basically, it doesn't serve a purpose other than a hold note
09:30 Manakravte: hold notes are not necessary bad, but if you have alot of them, it doesn't give much movement than what you could have had
09:30 Fursum: though i used the pattern for most of the snares
09:31 Manakravte: we are talking about placement
09:32 Fursum: i dont really get it
09:33 Manakravte: do you know pishifat's videos?
09:33 Fursum: yeah i watched them
09:34 Manakravte: i want you to go over rhythm again
09:35 Manakravte: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BC_I2ufqC8 rhythm]
09:35 Manakravte: there are many problems with rhythm in this map
09:36 Manakravte: few inconsistancies, skipped notes, large amount of pauses, etc.
09:38 Manakravte: and i apologize if i may have seemed rude, i just want you to understand the basics
09:38 Manakravte: anyways, good luck with your map, you got alot of work to do

xRiiuk wrote:

M4M

SPOILER: Either I'm a bad modder or this map is already in a nice state. :thinking: Don't expect much from this mod.

[Light Insane]
Woah. This diff is almost perfect. There isn't alot to mod here. owo
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02:34:461 - The time gaps between 1, 2 and 3 are too big in comparison the previous song section. The player could expect a 1/2 gap and not a full beat gap. Yes I intentionally made the spacing smaller and I think small 1/1 gaps and big 1/2 gaps are readable enough, but the emphasis on the clap with a 1/1 gap might be a bit bad. I'll change it when it gets pointed out.
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03:05:318 - Maybe make 4 the same way as 2 because the vocals sound similar. First vocal is 1,5 beat long and second one is 1 beat long,
I checked it over and over and I'm pretty sure its correct right now.

[New and better Insane]
Okay, for real. I really had problems modding this map because there aren't alot of things that I consider "bad".
My mod contains things that aren't necessary to change, but could help the gameplay.

01:02:204 (2,3,5,6) - You first used smaller spacing on 2 and 3, but then larger spacing plus different slider angle on 5 and 6. I'd change that, because the song sounds nearly the same at both times. My intention was to make it different for the funs sake, however I could argue that 5 and 6 is different because of the added instrument, yet I haven't paid much attention to that instrument when mapping, so your point is correct but I'll leave it as it is.
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01:11:490 - Slider shape of 4 hides slider shape of 6. I separated them but now the spacing emphasis could be overdone xd
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02:02:233 - The slider shape goes out of the grid, could be a problem when you try to get your map ranked. Its not offscreen on the player though, so I guess its fine.
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02:11:833 - Let the player click at the blue tick, as the storyboard and drums indicate this. Storyboard pulse starts at the white tick though :d also theres no sound on the blue tick and I don't want to overmap it.
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02:28:804 - I feel like something is missing here. The reverse slider feels odd. I added the reverse slider for variety but I feel the same way, changed to slider+circle.
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03:04:976 - This circle isn't necessary. Leaving a small amount of space in the timeline between 5 and 1 fits the music. I don't want to ignore the snare/clap there. So far I mapped all of the drums so It would be inconsistent to do so.

This map is really nice designed. No spacing problems, no timing problems, everything is balanced, the map doesnt feel cluttered. Try to get a BN next. Good Luck!