Litharrale wrote:

Hullo, m4m from your queue
1|2|3|4
I'm just going to preface this by saying you have some hard competition for this song. Protastic (a BN) is also trying to rank this song here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/575053 with more diffs of a higher quality unless you've keysounded/SV'd the whole thing as well. Not to mention she already has it bubbled.

Not saying you should give up on this set but in the current mania BN climate, no ones going to want to rank a set of a song thats already ranked with a more diverse spread.

Anyway onto the mod!
audio+BG looks fine
Hitsound your map, the files are there already so

00:23:211 (23211|3,23630|3,23829|1,24005|0,24314|1,24446|2) - A stream would be a lot more comfortable here than weirdly snapped sliders
00:26:211 (26211|3,26299|3,26564|1,26652|1) - Your use of jacks in this section doesnt really make sense to me. If you're going to use this gimmick, try and make it make obvious sense, e.g one at the start of every measure or some shit.
e.g The second jack in this HL doesnt even have the same pitch and there's a lot of 2 pitch notes that arent jacks
from 00:34:505 (34505|2) to 00:34:505 (34505|2) - here I think you should make it slightly more intense to line up with the kicks
00:34:505 (34505|2) - lazy mapping desu
00:45:799 (45799|0,46152|1,46505|3) - lazier mapping desu
00:51:005 (51005|2) - As much as i disagree with this rule, cant have breaks in mania
mmmm, going further into this map, it's beyond my scope to mod. I dont know how to deal with jacks ><
here's a star instead

Litharrale wrote:

I'm just going to preface this by saying you have some hard competition for this song. Protastic (a BN) is also trying to rank this song here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/575053 with more diffs of a higher quality unless you've keysounded/SV'd the whole thing as well. Not to mention she already has it bubbled.

Hi.. M4M modding stuff here

Exit

00:12:976 - add 1 note
I think you can make SV at here 00:23:564 - + 00:23:740 - + 00:23:917 - That's looking good

(Start here i hear with My Headset and the Playback rate is 25% and this what i got.)

00:25:064 (25064|1) - Move to 2
00:25:505 (25505|3) - Move to another note cause i didn't hear a sound like this 00:24:799 (24799|2,24887|2) -
00:26:564 (26564|2) - Move to 3
00:26:829 (26829|2,26917|0) - Move to 1
00:26:917 (26917|1) - Same like i didn't hear a sound like this 00:24:799 (24799|2,24887|2) -
00:27:005 (27005|1) - Move to 2
00:27:093 (27093|2) - Move to 1
00:27:182 (27182|1) - Move to 2
00:27:976 (27976|3) - Move to 0
00:29:387 (29387|2) - Move to 1
00:29:476 (29476|1) - Move to 2
00:29:564 (29564|2) - Move to 1
00:29:652 (29652|0) - Move to 2
00:30:005 (30005|3) - Move to 2
00:30:799 (30799|2) - Move to 3
00:31:064 (31064|0) - Move to 1
00:32:211 (32211|0) - Move to 2
00:32:476 (32476|0) - Move to 1
00:33:623 (33623|1) - Move to 2
00:34:593 (34593|2) - Move to 0
00:34:682 (34682|1) - Move to 2
00:34:946 (34946|1) - Move to 2
00:36:446 (36446|2) - Move to 1
00:37:152 (37152|1) - Move to 2
00:37:858 (37858|2) - Move to 1
00:38:564 (38564|1) - Move to 2
00:39:270 (39270|0) - Move to 3

Sample i make the note to be like this




So much note, i cant add anymore... you can fix that like what i do before

I think this 01:04:152 (64152|2,64329|2,64505|2,64682|2,64858|2,65034|2,65211|2,65387|2) - must be in the 3 cause this sound is different with this sound 01:01:505 (61505|2,61682|2,61858|2,62034|2,62211|2,62387|2,62564|2,62740|2) -

And more this sound 01:12:623 (72623|3,72799|3,72976|3,73152|3,73329|3,73505|3,73682|3,73858|3,74034|3) - same like 01:01:329 (61329|2,61505|2,61682|2,61858|2,62034|2,62211|2,62387|2,62564|2,62740|2) - that mean its must be in 2 position

There no reason to makle it double caouse the sound is same like this 02:17:740 (137740|3,137829|2) -

And change this 02:18:446 (138446|3,138446|2,138534|0,138534|1) - to jack cause i hear the sound like this 02:18:093 (138093|1,138182|1) -

Iam sorry i can't mod that all ... cause so much note to be prefix will mod this map again...

Moku_Hazushi wrote:

(From my modding queue~)
(M4M request)

Hey there, sorry this mod should have arrived like 1 week sooner because of the M4M request. But Im so used to NM request in my queue that i missed it xD
By the way, i must say i suffered a bit during the testplay ahah, the map is really underrated. But anyway i tried to let my weakness aside as much as i could and do a mod that hopefully will be useful.

As i always say, please apply the mod only if you 120% agree, i have that tendency to do some real personnal suggestion :3

Legend is 0|1|2|3

Insane

In fact i think a jack with 00:13:152 and 00:13:329 would be nice going well with the drum, but moving 00:13:152 (13152|0) is not really good so what i would suggest is
00:13:152 (13152|0) - Moving it to (1)
00:13:329 (13329|2) - To (1) too

00:23:652 (23652|0,23829|1,24005|2) +
00:24:358 (24358|1,24446|2) - Ok this is not wrong, but i think LNs are kinda inappropriate here, the synthesizer notes are not really sustain i hear them more as simple notes, but that maybe just me, as you prefer

About the part from 00:24:623 to 00:35:917
For this part i dont understand what you intended to map with the jacks. I mean, its a great idea, it fits well with the song but i just feel like most of the time you use them at the wrong timing. Its possible i missed something, in that case just ignore what will follow, but otherwise here is what i suggest :
For me the jacks should be used at some key points when the medium-bass synthesizer play :
At 00:24:799 + 00:25:064
At 00:26:211 + 00:26:476
At 00:27:623 + 00:27:887
At 00:29:034 + 00:29:299
etc
Also as you can see i pack them in pairs, the thing is i think the jacks of a same pair should be of a same column. The reasons are i find this mapping style really nice but still really unusual. Also using the same column for a same jack pair gives a habbit to the player making the play-feel less painful for those who are not used to play that and also making the mapping less disorganized.
In final it would look like this :
At 00:24:799

What i did :
00:24:976 (24976|1,25064|1) - jacks removed
00:25:064 (25064|1,25152|2) - jacks added
00:25:329 (25329|0,25417|0) - jacks removed

And that that would mean doing the same all over this part (i know that mean remapping a lot of stuff :c)
Sorry for that huge personnal suggestion, but i wanted to notify it anyway, ill keep with a more traditional mod for now

00:58:505 (58505|0) - Would move it to (3) no need to have a jack here
00:58:858 (58858|3,59034|3) - Same thing, i dont think you should have a jack here

From 01:02:740 to 01:04:152 - This is weird because you have that full jack pattern just before and after, i think you need to be consistent, either go for a full jack mapping until the end of this part (which is not a good choice in my opinion) either go for a simple note mapping at 01:01:329 and keep the jacks for later

01:12:623 - Same remark, i dont think this is the right moment for the full jack mapping

01:34:152 (94152|0) - Maybe move it to (1) just to not have too many note only on the (0) column during those chords

01:38:034 (98034|2) - If you follow the synthesizer, this LN should last until 01:39:093

01:56:387 +
01:56:740 - Make them triple chords, like 01:54:976 (114976|2,114976|0,114976|3,115329|2,115329|1,115329|3) both of those chords happen when the voice say "TRACK TRACK"

02:10:593 (130593|2) - Move it to (1) i think, the triple jack goes better with the song and stand out of the other jack creating a really nice contrast
02:21:887 (141887|2) - That would also mean moving this one

02:23:740 (143740|3,143740|2,143740|1) - Not sure this triple is really necessary here

02:24:358 (144358|1,144534|2) - No reasons for those jacks

02:33:623 (153623|3) - Maybe replace this LN by some jacks, if we follow the song the jacks should also be there
02:44:917 (164917|0) - Same remark

03:05:564 +
03:16:858 - Same remark as 01:12:623

Next kiais you have many quads surrounding by jacks like
03:59:829 (239829|2,239917|3,239917|1,239917|0,239917|2,240005|1) or
04:01:240 (241240|0,241329|3,241329|1,241329|2,241329|0,241417|2)
And i really dont see why there are here, i mean there is no special reason for jacks and quad neither. I mean i understand they appear on a reccurring synthesizer pattern but i dont think that a good way to map it

04:08:917 (248917|1,249005|2) - Maybe you can make them LN to emphasize them even more

04:15:093 (255093|2) - I would move it to (1) but this time i have no real reason to do so, just a feeling xD

04:21:887 (261887|2,261976|1) - I think CTRL+H those, i dont think you should have a jack with 04:21:799 (261799|2) its confusing with the jack mapping you are doing after

04:26:652 - You should have a jack here to be consistent with the rest of the mapping

04:33:182 (273182|1) - Maybe move it to (2) for the same reaons as 04:21:887

04:28:152 (268152|3,268329|3,268505|3,268682|3,268858|3) - Careful to this anchor
04:33:799 (273799|1,273976|1,274152|1,274329|1,274505|1,274682|1,274858|1,275034|1) - Im pretty sure you can do something about this anchor

04:55:329 (295329|0,295505|0,295682|0,295858|0) - You can avoid this one too, the mapping is not as dense as the kiai

This is a hard song to map but you managed to bring really good recurring ideas. Yet i think the mapping still need a lot off works on some parts but i cant wait to see the final result, good luck with that ;3

Alberiansyah wrote:

Our thinking is the same: 'v
In the jack section

Kim_GodSSI wrote:

Modding From:

Kim_GodSSI's Mania Modding Queue

here come to my m4m

Modding

[Karman Line]

1. 00:23:652 - how about
   
   this ? it make it clearly something(?) sound Yes!
   
2. 02:08:564 (128564|1) - change the ln this note. end time is 02:08:740 - here This pattern emphasizes the voice. : )
   
3. 02:30:976 (150976|0) - how about move to 02:31:152 - this place ? I don't think that's necessary
   
4. 02:36:446 - how about Agreed
   
   this ?
   
5. 02:45:093 - this place Yes
   
   how about it ?
   
   
   I can't found anything wrong ;ㅅ;
   because I didn't play a lot of these patterns and maps so I cant found any wrong T_T ( I'm 7K player and 7K mapper so.. :3 not only but it much played and made)
   
   sorry for short modding

Good luck !

Couil wrote:

Hello mr. 7k god, NM req. Hey, I assume you mean me!

Green= applied
Red = Not applied
Orange = :Thinking:

Karman Line

00:16:152 - Missed double? yeS
00:21:799 - ^ yeS
00:21:623 - Missed note? Myes
00:23:034 (23034|3,23211|3) - A jack here might be a bit awkward, but i guess it's there because you don't want to break your JS pattern, otherwise I'd ctrl + g these; 00:22:858 (22858|2,23034|3) - Moved them around a bit and found a nice pattern
00:28:505 (28505|3,28682|3,28858|3,29034|3,29123|3,29299|3,29387|3) - A bit crowded in the 4th column tbh, maybe move a few and change up the pattern a bit? FixD
00:29:564 (29564|1,29652|3) - Missed jack? We've been thinking about these patterns for a while and if we do add them, there are barely no streams in that specific part
00:29:917 (29917|3,30005|2) - ^ ^
00:34:505 (34505|2,34593|2,34858|1,34946|1,35211|2,35299|2,35564|1,35652|1) - Are these jacks because of the drum? If not I'd prolly map them like you did before. Yee they are becuase of the drum, might change em around like the previous part
00:36:358 (36358|1,36446|2,37064|2,37152|1,39270|0) - No jacks for these (and the ones further ahead)? Mb becomes a bit too crowded then i guess. We've tried to map them with jacks before, didn't feel have a nice feel at all to it
00:51:976 - Missed note. Fixed
01:57:799 (117799|0,117799|1) - Maybe start on a two handed note here to make it more even/comfortable? Also since all of the other notes are two handed it would be weird to leave this as a sole one-handed note, imo. Woah nice find!
02:10:946 (130946|2,130946|1) - Why is this a double? Ask my dad
02:22:240 (142240|2,142240|1) - ^ Fix ye
02:16:240 (136240|2) - Ghost note? YES FINALLY THANK YOU!!!
02:19:682 - Triple? If we change this to a triple we'd have to change a lot of other parts to triples. This would mostly make for uncomfortable patterns in most cases and if we just add it to this part it would make it inconsistent. I talked with Vortex- and we thought it'd be better to skip triples on most sliders for consistency
02:20:034 - ^ Might make it a bit crowded though, but it's to keep it consistent with the other triples. Same as above
02:28:858 (148858|0,148858|2,148858|1,148858|3) - These LNs seems kinda weird, maybe map em as only normal notes? Mapped as normal notes for now
02:34:505 - Think there should be at least a double here for the loud sound. Maybe remove the short LN and map it as a JS?Mapped as jS
02:34:858 (154858|0,155034|0,155211|0,155387|0,155564|0,155740|0,155917|0) - Anchor asdasdada, Fixed asdasdasda
02:35:387 (155387|3,155387|0,155476|1,155476|2,155564|3,155564|0) - Should prolly change this pattern a bit to avoid the anchor. Yeee you are right
02:40:152 (160152|0,160152|3) - Didn't you map this as a quad before? Should prolly keep it that way tbh. Also the LN comment applies here as well. Fixed
02:40:505 - triple? Fixed and removed 1/6th notes which shouldn't be there
02:45:093 (165093|3) - Why is this LN so short compared to the other ones? Doesn't seem to be anything special about it as far as i can see. Fixed
02:45:976 - 02:47:917 - Why is the pattern so different all of a sudden, it sounds about the same to me, mb keep it consistent with the other parts of this section? Changed it to be consistent with the other parts
02:50:270 (170270|1,170270|3,170387|1,170387|3) - Why is this a double jack? The other ones are singles. This could prolly throw a couple ppl of when they play it. Fixed
02:51:093 (171093|0,171093|2,171093|3,171093|1) - This quad is kinda out of place, think mapping it as a triple with a extra note between the quad and the doubles would work better, e.g Removed the extra two notes on the right hand side and added a single note on the 4th col
02:56:917 - Missed note? added
03:58:858 (238858|0) - Should prolly change this to a right hand note, for hand balance.Changed to 4th col
04:17:123 - Missed note. y ES
04:24:005 (264005|2,264093|1) - Missed jack here. A.D.D.E.D.
04:31:682 (271682|0,271682|3,271682|2,271770|0,271858|3,271946|3,272034|1,272123|1,272211|2,272299|2,272387|0,272387|1,272476|0,272564|3,272564|2,272652|3,272740|0,272740|1,272829|1,272917|3,272917|2,273005|2) - Mb have doubles only on the white ticks here, for drum emphasis? Good CALL my duDE
04:33:093 - 04:35:917 This section becomes a bit too repetitive imo, why did you change it up here? Doesn't sound like anything changed tbh. I'd suggest just keeping the pattern you had before to make it less repetitive. Especially since you basically go back to it here; 04:38:740 We'll keep it as is for now since the drums change to all hands at 04:35:917 -
04:52:505 (292505|0,292593|1,292682|0,292770|1) - Should be a middle trill for consistency. KLAPPAT O KLART
04:55:505 (295505|1,295593|1) - Why is this a jack? Should be a trill pattern for consistency. Samma med denna MIN KAMRAT
05:09:799 - Missed double. And THen We DoublED iTTTT
05:15:446 - ^ WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
05:17:917 (317917|3) - Remove? I know there's a sound there, but it feels weird since you've predominantly followed the snare + kick combo before this. Throwing in the open high-hit might confuse some. Woa YOU GOT ME CONFUSED DADDY, hence I fixed it. Removed for GOOD

Sorry if i sound mean/mad in my mod, I should prolly try using more smileys or smth /shrug. Mods are to be taken seriously so NO PROBLEM dad

Good map mr. 7k god, rank pls. Thanks for the mod DAD, nice of you seeing my true colors

Abraxos wrote:

recheck

fuck the beginning Fixed

00:29:829 (29829|1,29917|1) - wot lol

00:24:799 (24799|2,24887|2,25064|2,25152|2) - stacked jacks like these are already pretty unbalanced to hit, so i'd rather you at least give the hand that's hitting these some form of break when it exits the pattern - e.g not have it continue into 00:25:240 (25240|3) , or 00:30:711 (30711|2,30799|2,30976|2) - not stacking another double consecutively right on top of the same column of jacks Agreed

00:35:564 (35564|1,35652|1,35829|1,35917|1,36093|1,36182|1) - pls

01:29:034 (89034|2,89387|2) - pitch

01:43:152 (103152|3) - https://i.imgur.com/WYsBa24.png you could do this if you want the drum beats to enter stronger

02:02:034 (122034|0,122123|0,122211|3,122299|3) - maybe start from the inner columns since you've been jacking the other ones for a while

02:04:461 (124461|1,124593|1,124726|1,124858|1) - you need to remodel the streams here; anchor makes it left heavy
https://i.imgur.com/SD72Qaq.png something like this could work

^All above agreed^

02:10:593 (130593|1,130682|1,130770|1) - rip left hand
i guess it's fine if you plan to keep it, it'd just be a bit unbalanced Keeping it
02:21:887 (141887|1,141976|1,142064|1) - but at least move this to the other hand for parity Yes!

02:16:240 - wub here
02:16:329 (136329|1,136417|2,136505|0,136682|3,136858|1,136946|0,136946|3,137034|1,137211|2,137299|3,137387|2,137387|1) - everything seems so confused here, you're following the vocals and the percussion AND the synths all the same time while missing one of the synths; the key thing about emphasis is that if everything is emphasized nothing is, same goes for layering.
would rather you choose to focus on the things that stand out to you the most

^Remapped that section^

02:23:652 - not sure if you noticed but all the jacks are on the inner columns Yes
02:23:652 (143652|2,143740|2,143740|1,143829|1) - this isn't exactly the nicest pattern to transit with either; it's especially jarring since all your jacks up till now have at least 1/4 breathing spaces It's suppose to be the most difficult part of the map
02:23:740 (143740|1,143740|3,143740|2) - not really sure why this is a triple too, could work fine just being a double The rhythm goes 123 123 123 which are represented by hands, later on it's presented as jump jacks

02:30:093 (150093|0,150093|1) - no synth so why double? Oh
to add on: 02:30:093 - 02:30:446 - there is virtually no distinction between these two patterns except for directionality but each of them represents vastly different sounds in the music too I can't hear any difference between them sound-wise

02:40:505 - triple
02:40:505 (160505|3,160505|0,160593|1,160682|0,160682|3) - 02:43:329 - 02:46:152 - still 1/6
actually, you can't exactly do the 1/6 with the triple - a double is fine

All fixed

02:42:534 (162534|1) - would rather you delete this, cause you'd have to add a note at 02:42:358 - if not Deleted

02:44:211 - you doubled this before, see 02:32:917 - There was an extra drum sound before

02:47:211 (167211|3,167211|2,167387|2,167387|3,167564|3,167564|2) - seems odd that 02:47:211 - is the same double as the synth pairs Fixed

03:53:564 - what happened to the repetition for this part?

03:56:432 (236432|2,236564|2,236696|2,236829|2,236961|2) - wew lad
think you should know how to fix it by now

^All fixed^

04:00:887 (240887|3,240976|2,241064|3,241152|2,241240|3,241329|2) - trill seems out of place Oh wtf
04:09:799 (249799|0) - quad is fine, would rather you enter it from a different column though, because 04:09:887 (249887|1,249976|1,250417|1,250505|1) -
Yes!

04:19:682 - you could double for the vocals tbh Nah, think it works with what I have right now

04:20:387 - i think you should start off with a simple burst and then lead onto 04:20:432 (260432|2,260564|2,260652|1,260696|2,260784|1,260917|1) - these things? starting with the more awkward patterning is a bit hard to ply for the player
04:41:652 - same deal here
it would follow the music better too since it increases in intensity over time Fixed!

04:24:005 (264005|2,264093|2) - this is pretty gay, ngl - it's out of place first of all (since a pattern like this has never come up before), and it's on the same hand as the LN too
04:24:093 (264093|1,264093|2) - also the red tick is doubled which you've never done for the chorus
i think it should be fine if they're just normal streams, since you decided to follow the piano here with LNs

Yeah that was kinda gay

04:29:652 (269652|1,269740|3,269740|1) - same deal here, it's up to you to decide whether or not you want to keep the layering inconsistency for the sake of the jack - i personally wouldn't :)

04:34:505 - switch up the columns the jacks fall on Oh yes

04:52:946 - there's an element of repetition you can use
https://i.imgur.com/mqDqkPx.png something like this for instance
right now the jacks seem to be arbitrarily placed which is odd given how there's still structure in the music
04:54:976 - as for this part you can always have the jacks be in the same columns, fits the music well too
04:55:682 - just exit with the other hand if you do so

^Absolutely agreed^

04:59:564 (299564|0,299740|0,299917|0,300093|0,300270|0,300446|0,300623|0) - some people might complain about anchoring in this section, i'm impartial to most of it - you might want to take note, though Keeping those for now

should be all, chart is way more structured than the ranked one that's for sure [/color]

gl with ranks Thank you again for an awesome mod!

Alberiansyah wrote:

03:35:564 (215564|0) - oops something its wrong here just give some notice for you
DONT GIVE KUDOSU!

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