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ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX- [Osu|OsuMania]

posted 2017-04-21T16:48:11+00:00

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Underdogs

820 posts

Joined July 2014

Underdogs 2017-06-06T00:02:58+00:00

late queue mod w

Easy

00:30:549 (2) - Not sure if it's just me or the copy paste is not clean (Does not stack properly)
00:36:004 (1,3) - For me, I do not think this looks good. But it is just me, and not what the other people is thinking
00:53:458 (1,1) - I think people could not see this stack, because it is delayed long enough. You use rhythm non-stop and suddenly stop. Newbies might not be able to play properly
01:06:549 (1,2) - I do not think this direction goes properly
01:12:367 (1,2,3) - ^

Normal

00:05:458 (1,2) - Blanket? looks better if you do
00:18:004 (4,1) - ^
00:30:185 (6) - NC here, remove NC at 00:30:549 (1) -
00:30:549 (1,2,3) - I do not think this looks good to play.
00:34:549 (3,4) - Blanket?
00:41:095 (4,1) - ^
00:47:095 (5,1) - ^
01:16:549 - add a circle here?
01:18:731 (2,3) - overlap looks bad here
01:24:549 (2) - set this sampleset to auto and add clap. It sounds better and consistent on hitsounds

Hard

00:06:185 (3) - Make this slider straight. Flows better
00:16:004 (9) - NC?
00:18:913 (8) - ^
00:21:822 (7) - ^
00:29:640 (1) - Why NC here? Better remove
00:50:549 (9) - NC?
00:53:276 (1,2) - tbh this looks confusing, and asking too much from a Normal player who started Hard diff. I think a triplet would fit better here

Light Insane

00:29:822 (4,1) - Add a triplet betwen these two notes? For this bpm it should be fine for a Light Insane
00:35:640 (4,1) - ^
00:43:276 (1,2,3) - This looks randomly placed and looks bad
01:00:913 (2) - Reduce spacing here? The vocal does not sound too high compared to the previous ones
01:20:185 (4) - Put this at x:296 y:92? The reduced spacing is to emphasize 01:20:367 (5) - more and it helps reading a bit more instead of stacking
01:21:095 (1) - Fix this wave slider? Currently looks bad

sorry for lazy mod. I just got up when I mod this

good luck

[Kamiya]

637 posts

Joined November 2012

[Kamiya] 2017-06-06T01:13:34+00:00

Winter Story wrote:
late queue mod w
Hard
00:06:185 (3) - Make this slider straight. Flows better because here will be follow to 00:06:913 (1) -
00:16:004 (9) - NC?clear
00:18:913 (8) - ^clear
00:21:822 (7) - ^clear
00:29:640 (1) - Why NC here? Better remove clear
00:50:549 (9) - NC?no
00:53:276 (1,2) - tbh this looks confusing, and asking too much from a Normal player who started Hard diff. I think a triplet would fit better here all think hard to play was pretext,give a reason

thank you for your modding~!

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 54731
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.2
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 3.899998

[Metadata]
Title:Hitorigoto -TV MIX-
TitleUnicode:ヒトリゴト -TV MIX-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Tofu1222
Version:Kamiya's Hard
Source:エロマンガ先生
Tags:eromanga sensei ero manga eromanga-sensei opening tv size eromangasensei Suzuki_1112 1112deng kanor Level9 Ryuusei Aika RsAk Moeri Moecho [Kamiya] victorica_db [Emiria]
BeatmapID:1291030
BeatmapSetID:602861

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:4
OverallDifficulty:6.5
ApproachRate:7.5
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Shima Rin

1,304 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Shima Rin 2017-06-06T01:32:34+00:00

Winter Story wrote:
late queue mod w

Normal
00:05:458 (1,2) - Blanket? looks better if you do
00:18:004 (4,1) - ^
00:30:185 (6) - NC here, remove NC at 00:30:549 (1) -
No, this was intentional because there's a 1/2 break between, it would look worse if I NC'd here as people usually do on long white line.
00:30:549 (1,2,3) - I do not think this looks good to play.
Thanks, fixed.
00:34:549 (3,4) - Blanket?
00:41:095 (4,1) - ^
00:47:095 (5,1) - ^
01:16:549 - add a circle here?
Added.
01:18:731 (2,3) - overlap looks bad here
Adjusted.
01:24:549 (2) - set this sampleset to auto and add clap. It sounds better and consistent on hitsounds
Thanks for noticing that for me.

sorry for lazy mod. I just got up when I mod this
I fixed no blankets, since they are intentional to be like that. Thanks for the mod, it was good.

good luck

Moecho's Reply. Thanks for mod

[Emiria]

1,010 posts

Joined November 2012

[Emiria] 2017-06-06T05:33:49+00:00

-[Apple]- wrote:
快fly了我来留个摸
ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX-

[General]
Nice.
[Easy]
00:13:458 - 个人感觉这里Ctrl+g一下？按音调rearrange的话可以和前面保持一致，因为你前面也是按音调排的吧。
其他的没啥好说的，很完美
[Normal]
00:18:367 - 这里可以加一个note，跟鼓强调一下。
00:23:276 - 这里是double，那 00:23:640 - 这里也统一一下吧。
后半段看不懂你double在跟啥，就有点迷，hitsound加的有点花哨了
R e m u r i n g wrote:
Hi >w< tofuuuu xd

mania mod

1 | 2 | 3 | 4

Normal
00:06:458 (6458|0) - move this note here 00:06:428 - (1/3)
00:06:731 (6731|1) - move this note here 00:06:670 - (1/3)

Emiria's Hard
00:06:413 (6413|3,6413|1,6640|2,6640|0) - snap here is wrong
00:06:185 (6185|2) - this LN should end here 00:06:428 -
00:06:413 (6413|3,6413|1) - these notes should be moved here 00:06:428 -fixed 感觉我不背锅我记得我做的1/3的
and this LN should end here

Manga
00:06:185 (6185|3,6185|0,6185|2,6458|3,6458|1,6458|0,6731|3,6731|1,6731|2) - snap here is wrong make it 1/3
00:24:367 - add note here is can hear the cymbol sound

i'm sorry late xd
GL <3

[Hard]
维多爷爷的太神了没啥好看的
00:03:367 (3367|1,9185|1) - 觉得这两个很有可能被挑..
01:00:185 -
img
觉得会好一些。
第一个应该是我的snap对的。。看不到图。

[Manga]
00:54:549 - 也许可以考虑玩一下SV?
img
其实这个人声的话可以这样玩...虽然你不改也没关系
就这样了，祝早飞。

dkingo wrote:
水摸一下
mania mod
[Easy]
HP OD有点高，建议调到7以下
00:15:640 - 这里只有一个kick，不至于用两个note吧
00:17:276 (17276|1) - 建议移到4，比较适合音调

[Normal]
00:18:185 (18185|0) - 移到3，这个jack有点不舒服
就这样把
[Hard]
01:10:731 (70731|2) - 移至4，4个连一起感觉没必要
01:13:458 (73458|0) - 移至4
Good luck!

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-06-06T08:40:51+00:00

newton- wrote:
from q

[ 1112's extra]
00:56:367 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is mapped differently from 00:59:276 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - when theyre in effect the same thing
01:08:004 (1) - i feel like this shouldnt be extended, youre skipping over the vocal on the redtick by doing this
01:14:913 (4,5,1) - this is kind of a wide angle + high spacing so it's really uncomfortable to play
01:15:640 (3,4,1) - ^ (unless that's your intention)
01:24:004 (1) - maybe you couldve made this a special looking slider like 01:18:185 (1) - or 01:21:095 (1) -

good luck!

LeQuack wrote:
[Light Insane]
00:44:549 (5) - If this note is below the (1) slider players will adjust easier to getting to the slider as they will naturally move up after the jump
GL with map

Winter Story wrote:
l
[Light Insane]
00:29:822 (4,1) - Add a triplet betwen these two notes? For this bpm it should be fine for a Light Insane no
00:35:640 (4,1) - ^ ^
00:43:276 (1,2,3) - This looks randomly placed and looks bad look like good
01:00:913 (2) - Reduce spacing here? The vocal does not sound too high compared to the previous ones ^
01:20:185 (4) - Put this at x:296 y:92? The reduced spacing is to emphasize 01:20:367 (5) - more and it helps reading a bit more instead of stacking and nothing changed
01:21:095 (1) - Fix this wave slider? Currently looks bad fixed
sorry for lazy mod. I just got up when I mod this

good luck

Thx~

insane

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
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Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.5
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LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Editor]
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BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
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Title:Hitorigoto -TV MIX-
TitleUnicode:ヒトリゴト -TV MIX-
Artist:ClariS
ArtistUnicode:ClariS
Creator:Tofu1222
Version:1112's Light Insane
Source:エロマンガ先生
Tags:eromanga sensei ero manga eromanga-sensei opening tv size eromangasensei Suzuki_1112 1112deng kanor Level9 Ryuusei Aika RsAk Moeri Moecho [Kamiya] victorica_db [Emiria]
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241,155,71640,1,2,1:2:0:0:
422,87,71822,2,0,L|516:48,2,95.9999970703126,2|8|10,0:0|3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
248,59,72367,5,6,1:2:0:0:
92,72,72549,2,0,P|81:144|105:178,1,95.9999970703126,2|8,0:0|3:2,0:0:0:0:
183,278,72913,1,2,0:0:0:0:
217,180,73095,1,0,3:0:0:0:
97,236,73276,2,0,L|-11:229,1,95.9999970703126,2|8,0:0|3:2,0:0:0:0:
52,348,73640,1,2,0:0:0:0:
183,278,73822,5,6,1:2:0:0:
309,362,74004,2,0,L|407:354,1,95.9999970703126,2|8,0:0|3:2,0:0:0:0:
472,229,74367,1,2,0:0:0:0:
344,179,74549,2,0,P|335:240|366:294,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
472,229,74913,2,0,P|482:182|469:137,1,95.9999970703126,8|10,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
330,88,75276,6,0,P|268:111|285:248,1,191.999994140625,6|8,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
173,316,75822,1,2,0:0:0:0:
257,223,76004,2,0,P|161:178|91:216,1,191.999994140625,6|8,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
8,291,76549,1,2,3:2:0:0:
66,367,76731,6,0,L|172:353,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
278,267,77095,2,0,L|160:280,1,95.9999970703126,8|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
361,318,77458,2,0,P|380:254|357:204,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
291,68,77822,2,0,P|272:132|295:182,1,95.9999970703126,8|10,3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
359,16,78185,6,0,L|151:33,1,191.999994140625,6|8,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
45,67,78731,1,2,0:0:0:0:
74,212,78913,2,0,L|68:344,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
214,370,79276,2,0,L|217:245,1,95.9999970703126,8|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
223,146,79640,5,2,1:2:0:0:
334,211,79822,1,2,0:0:0:0:
409,91,80004,1,8,3:2:0:0:
223,146,80185,1,2,0:0:0:0:
423,206,80367,2,0,L|511:140,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
387,318,80731,2,0,L|499:308,1,95.9999970703126,8|10,3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
349,221,81095,6,0,B|253:271|277:158|161:206,1,191.999994140625,6|8,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
179,99,81640,1,2,0:0:0:0:
199,310,81822,2,0,P|183:354|140:385,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
16,273,82185,2,0,P|32:229|75:198,1,95.9999970703126,8|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
199,310,82549,5,2,1:2:0:0:
361,255,82731,1,2,0:0:0:0:
266,343,82913,1,8,3:2:0:0:
306,196,83095,1,2,0:0:0:0:
419,312,83276,2,0,P|439:246|411:188,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,105,83640,2,0,P|300:171|328:229,1,95.9999970703126,8|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
399,62,84004,6,0,P|326:19|231:85,1,191.999994140625,6|8,1:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
75,95,84549,1,2,0:0:0:0:
141,261,84731,2,0,L|273:245,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
353,319,85095,2,0,L|241:336,1,95.9999970703126,8|10,3:2|3:2,0:0:0:0:
141,261,85458,5,2,1:2:0:0:
328,174,85640,1,2,0:0:0:0:
276,29,85822,2,0,L|170:37,1,95.9999970703126,8|2,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
48,182,86185,2,0,L|166:170,1,95.9999970703126,2|2,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
253,303,86549,1,8,3:2:0:0:
141,261,86731,1,2,3:2:0:0:
86,359,86913,6,0,P|143:384|206:353,1,120.000004577637,6|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
253,303,87458,1,2,0:0:0:0:
346,360,87640,2,0,L|362:239,1,120.000004577637,2|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
361,241,88276,6,0,P|326:182|423:225,1,270.000010299683,4|0,3:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:

不用更extra了，之前已经更过了，嘻嘻

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-06-16T01:29:40+00:00

~~placehold，問題太多了論文需時~~

[General]

Inconsistent tags:
Hard
(Mania裡面的Hard難度)
Inconsistent video value:
Moe[Sagi]ri's Normal
1112's Light Insane
Lv9's Insane
kanor's Insane
1112's Extra
(這幾個都沒加上eromanga.avi)
Unused hitsounds:
A#6S_Bb6S.wav
A#7S_Bb7S_s.wav
C4S_s.wav
F#6S_Gb6S_s.wav
G#5S_Ab5S_s.wav
G6S.wav
soft-hitfinish51.wav
soft-hitfinish54.wav
soft-hitfinish56.wav
soft-hitfinish57.wav
soft-hitfinish58.wav
Storyboard files not found:
drum-hit10.wav
hihat.wav
E7S_s.wav
(這個我不知道幹嘛的，但應該是mania的東西)
Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
drum-hitnormal10.wav 72.52ms
(這個要用音頻編輯軟件搞一下，把它的長度拉到100ms以上)
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
drum-hitnormal10.wav (看了一下應該是誤報，可能因為長度不夠100ms所導致的，首先把長度問題修了吧)
drum-hitnormal10.wav
normal-hitnormal53.wav (這個是真的，要改)
normal-hitnormal53.wav
normal-hitnormal60.wav (這個也是真的)
normal-hitnormal60.wav
SCG_A3s.wav (這個有4.5ms延遲，雖然沒到5ms但也改了吧)
SCG_A3s.wav
SCG_B3s.wav (這個很誇張，11ms)
SCG_B3s.wav
SCG_F3s.wav (要改)
SCG_F3s.wav
SCG_G3s.wav (要改)
SCG_G3s.wav
當然我都已經做到這個地步了，還是直接把修改好的給你一份吧: http://puu.sh/wldEH/c8085074ca.zip

[RsAk's Easy]

00:30:549 (2) - DS遠了
沒大問題

[Moe[Sagi]ri's Normal]

00:13:822 (2,3) - 沒疊好 (後來我發現問題是因為經常你ctrl+G導致的，ctrl+G三點以上的滑條會導致滑條變形的，我也是後來發現，然後因為變形了所以才會沒疊好)
沒大問題

[Kamiya's Hard]

StackLeniency用0.7
00:11:276 (1,2) - 包好點
00:19:640 (3,4,5) - ^
00:40:367 (3) - 換成滑條吧，00:40:549 - 這個鼓音漏了不好
00:50:549 (9) - DS有點太遠了，ctrl+G一下會好點，但
00:53:276 (1) - 換成圓圈，和00:53:458 (2) - 組成三連，順便NC改成00:53:458 (2) - 開始
01:01:640 (5,6) - 這奇葩的間距是搞什麼，雖然你前面的那些折返有故意加大間距，但那些是在每一小節的第三條紅線，但你這個是在第四條紅線上，然後01:02:185 - 是重音，01:02:367 - 又有vocal，整個梗搞得非常不合曲也不好看，我這個給個例子改一下: https://puu.sh/wlem6/172721cf21.jpg
01:06:004 (2,3) - ^
01:11:822 (4,2) - 不要把圓圈疊在折返頭下面
01:13:640 (6) - 改成我前面01:01:640 (5,6) - 說的那樣
節奏下的不太好，排列也需要注重點整潔度，雖然你有按DS放但也不該經常overlap，整體來說還有很大進步空間

[1112's Light Insane]

00:01:276 (2,3) - 00:02:731 (2,3) - 00:04:185 (2,3) - 這種梗你要稍微注意一下DS，雖然你是微微錯開一點但一看就能看出前後有差別，比如說00:04:185 (2,3) - 明顯比00:01:276 (2,3) - 遠了
00:07:095 (2,3) - 00:08:549 (2,3) - 00:10:004 (2,3) - 也是同樣的，用梗方面也請和上面統一用一樣的想法
00:20:913 (4,5,1) - 這個1放的位置把flow破壞了，你可以把1 ctrl+H一下放到右邊，然後後面物件也跟著改一下方向，這裡給你個例子: https://puu.sh/wleSm/ee07c8d5a2.jpg
順便一提從00:12:731 - 到00:30:185 - 接近20秒一直都是逆時針方向的flow沒有作明顯切換，導致flow方向分佈不夠平均，以我來說每4條大白線作一次換向是最好的。我個人建議你把上面那條改了之後，00:23:458 - 開始以順時針flow方向放物件，直到00:25:822 (1) - 這個折返滑條，因為折返滑條可以用作換flow方向的物件，不過這種東西你還是自己考慮吧。
00:24:913 (2,3,4,1) - 包得不夠好，看縮圈來包
00:29:822 (4,1) - 00:34:185 (6,1) - ^
00:34:549 (1,2,3) - 這種轉向很不順手的，你後面也有類似的東西，2去3的路徑是直的，但你兩個滑條的弧度很彎，整個走向顯得很奇葩，簡單來說就是繞的不舒服: http://puu.sh/wlfl0/8998022848.png ，然後我舉個例子你對比一下http://puu.sh/wlfkk/7db2f4ce09.jpg ，這樣flow下去才舒服
就在這裡我咕了10天
後來想了下也不需要太認真，上面的摸改了也不會有大改善，我就整體說一下吧。從Insane難度來說，圖本身是能打的，沒有unrankable問題，但是給人的感覺是不注重整潔度，不注重物件距離，也不注重美觀，簡單來說就是不細心。不是說節奏有問題也不是說沒有梗，只是物件不合曲而已，很多地方用的梗不合曲，很多物件沒法配合歌曲，就像是為了作圖而作圖但沒有思路去想怎麼把排列配合歌曲，換句話說你的這種排列在任何歌上面都是這個樣，就像是把圖量產出來的一樣而且沒有思路，比如說00:14:004 (1,2,3,4) - 00:16:913 (1,2,3,4) - 00:19:822 (1,2,3,4) - 00:22:731 (1,2,3,4,5) - 這種節奏一樣的地方但幾個排列之間完全看不出關聯或者相似之處，甚至物件本身都不一樣。排列的存在沒有意義，不信你可以看看其他的Insane或以上的難度，起碼能看出關聯之處。當然，還有很多mapper也是量產的，但成功的量產mapper他們起碼都能把排列配合歌曲，或者是有自己的風格，有相應的套路，這樣物件才有存在的價值，不會讓人挑刺。在這裡我所看到的排列只能比新人好一點，還沒到合格的階段，還能有很大的提升。
至於改善方向，首先你要清楚自己作圖的目的，到底為了什麼而作圖？到底為什麼要作圖？可以是很簡單的理由也可以是很獨特的理由，可以因為作圖很好玩所以作圖，可以為了喜歡的歌而作圖，可以為了pp而作圖。然後，再想想自己是不是要rank圖，自己作圖的理由能不能夠符合rank圖準則，如果rank圖本身是你作圖的目的，那就應該以“圖能rank”為基礎去作圖，如果不是為了rank，那你的gd也不該存在於這裡。如果想作能rank的圖，就要知道“ranked圖”是怎樣的，不是沒有unrankable就可以，而是要有思路去作圖，要有想法去作圖，而不是一堆沒意義的物件，這也是新人作圖最難理解和掌握的地方，成功關鍵在於能理解這個抽象的東西多少。排列配合歌曲不是rank圖必需的，但絕對是一張好圖最基本能夠做到的事，而且這是最合理的理由去把物件放在一個地方，然後再去想更多的想法，比如說有人注重美觀為先，完美blanket，拒絕overlap等等，也有人注重用梗為先，滑條形狀，flow走向等等，或者是比較獨特的想法，整個圖只放圓圈不放滑條，整個圖都要是對稱的，整個圖的flow方向都要是一樣的，物件都要是幾何的，滑條都要是直的等等，有這樣想法的圖，能體現圖另一面的好。經常會有人叫新人看ranked圖，但新人總說沒有用，因為很多人都是真的“看”了就算了，而不是去“理解”那些物件為什麼要那樣放。所以我在這裡的意見也就是讓你多看ranked圖，而且盡量看作圖經驗豐富的mapper的圖來理解。而你的最終目的是把排列塑造成別人沒法挑刺的樣子，這樣才能理所當然地起飛。
上面提到的一個地方我在這裡分析一下：這首歌裡面的00:14:004 - 到00:15:640，00:16:913 - 到00:18:549，00:19:822 - 到00:21:458，00:22:731 - 到00:24:367，它們節奏相似，即使不會樂理用聽的也能知道。假設把它們分別叫ABCD，先不考慮用排列形狀，在一個普通mapper的思路情況下：
1. ABC一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大，比如滑條換單點、單點換連打
2. AC一套物件，BD一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
3. AC一套物件，B一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
或者也會：
4. ABCD都用相同物件
5. AB一套物件，CD一套物件
6. AB一套物件，C一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
而合理分析後，他們這樣放當然有理由，ABCD在歌曲來說我們廣義叫節奏相似，但實質上鼓點是AC一組，BD一組，音調也是AC一組，BD一組，但強度是ABC一組，D一組。所以上面的1-3是較合理的做法，1是重視強度為先；2是重視鼓點或音調為先；3是最好的做法，顧及三者；4不能說不好因為mapper可能重視整潔和統一性為先，不過這樣多少無視了節奏；5類似1；6也類似1或5但多加考慮了節奏強度。這裡只強調了節奏的下法而沒說排列形狀如何，但如果用了其他的節奏而且排列形狀沒有可見的關聯那只能說是缺乏思路了。

[Lv9's Insane]

00:12:367 (1) - 好像沒有NC的必要，而且有點破壞梗了
00:15:458 (1,2) - 我建議NC位置互換，後面的00:18:367 (1,2) - 和00:21:276 (1,2) - 也一樣
順便我覺得00:12:731 (1,2) - 用3/4滑條會比較好，因為你後面的三個地方都是這樣的
00:18:549 (2,3) - 空拍3/4但間距好像大了
00:23:822 (1,2) - 有點偷懶的感覺，這裡鼓點00:18:004 (1,2,1,2) - 一樣但強度更大，起碼也得用圓圈吧
00:48:004 (1,1) - NC應該互換，因為你前面是從白線開NC的，後面00:49:458 (1) - 也是
00:48:731 (4,1) - ^
00:57:095 (1,2,3) - 其實我不是很推薦這個overmap，後面還有幾處也是這樣
01:05:095 (2) - NC？
01:13:458 (1,2) - 間距太近了，2 ctrl+G一下比較好
01:23:276 (5) - 這音效不對吧
01:23:640 (6,1) - 沒疊好
01:25:458 (1,2,3) - 這個地方間距也讓人有點迷惑，我個人意見把2疊在1上面，然後把3疊在2的尾巴
01:26:549 (3,4) - 間距也太大了，不如這樣 https://puu.sh/wughx/2c8233891e.jpg

[kanor's Insane]

00:12:004 (4) - 節奏轉換可以NC一下
00:38:004 (4) - 這個突然跟vocal但忽略了鼓點比較奇怪，我建議一個圓圈+一個1/2滑條比較好
00:56:549 (2,3,4) - 其實我不是很推薦這個overmap，後面還有幾處也是這樣
01:18:185 (1,2) - 間距太近了不太好，但看起來不好改，要改動好幾處，這裡給你個建議，你應該看得懂 https://puu.sh/wuh9C/1d4ba158ca.png
01:23:822 (8,1) - 一樣，可能把01:24:004 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 往左移比較好

[1112's Extra]

不多說了，我建議你集中做好一個diff吧，照目前的spread來說4-4.4星最好

[Moe[Sagi]ri's Manga]

00:29:276 (3,2) - 沒疊好，但我看這個地方ctrl+J的，你應該把滑條尾微移一下然後複製到00:35:095 (3) -
00:40:731 (2,1) - 沒疊好
00:56:004 (3) - 我猜是忘了NC，因為後面的也有NC
00:56:549 (2,4) - 沒疊好
01:07:640 (3,1) - ^
01:11:458 (6,3) - 01:23:276 (3,1) - ^，太多地方沒疊好了，我猜是因為你ctrl+G兩下導致的，因為我發現ctrl+G兩下會導致滑條錨點坐標四寫五入，導致滑條變形，坐標也就錯了，所以現在三點滑條我都手動拉第二點和第三點了，差不多就行了，不然這樣要搞半天的。果然事實會把強迫症磨走啊

說實話我覺得這論文挺適合大部分新人mapper看的

Last edited by Kencho 2017-06-26T00:38:20+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

-1024-

8 posts

Joined June 2015

-1024- 2017-06-22T15:01:51+00:00

主难度感觉还好，倒是次难度和次次难度让我眼前一新，比之前的两张感觉更好（之前那两张的跳没什么可说的），祝早飞

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-06-26T00:39:54+00:00

名著出世了
~~你這個論文真尼瑪長~~

Kencho wrote:
~~placehold，問題太多了論文需時~~
[General]
Inconsistent tags:
Hard
(Mania裡面的Hard難度)
Inconsistent video value:
Moe[Sagi]ri's Normal
1112's Light Insane
Lv9's Insane
kanor's Insane
1112's Extra
(這幾個都沒加上eromanga.avi)
Unused hitsounds:
A#6S_Bb6S.wav
A#7S_Bb7S_s.wav
C4S_s.wav
F#6S_Gb6S_s.wav
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soft-hitfinish56.wav
soft-hitfinish57.wav
soft-hitfinish58.wav
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hihat.wav
E7S_s.wav
(這個我不知道幹嘛的，但應該是mania的東西)
Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
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(這個要用音頻編輯軟件搞一下，把它的長度拉到100ms以上)
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
drum-hitnormal10.wav (看了一下應該是誤報，可能因為長度不夠100ms所導致的，首先把長度問題修了吧)
drum-hitnormal10.wav
normal-hitnormal53.wav (這個是真的，要改)
normal-hitnormal53.wav
normal-hitnormal60.wav (這個也是真的)
normal-hitnormal60.wav
SCG_A3s.wav (這個有4.5ms延遲，雖然沒到5ms但也改了吧)
SCG_A3s.wav
SCG_B3s.wav (這個很誇張，11ms)
SCG_B3s.wav
SCG_F3s.wav (要改)
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SCG_G3s.wav (要改)
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當然我都已經做到這個地步了，還是直接把修改好的給你一份吧: http://puu.sh/wldEH/c8085074ca.zip

[1112's Light Insane]
00:01:276 (2,3) - 00:02:731 (2,3) - 00:04:185 (2,3) - 這種梗你要稍微注意一下DS，雖然你是微微錯開一點但一看就能看出前後有差別，比如說00:04:185 (2,3) - 明顯比00:01:276 (2,3) - 遠了
00:07:095 (2,3) - 00:08:549 (2,3) - 00:10:004 (2,3) - 也是同樣的，用梗方面也請和上面統一用一樣的想法咁樣，我呢度先試一下ds間距慢慢咁大
00:20:913 (4,5,1) - 這個1放的位置把flow破壞了，你可以把1 ctrl+H一下放到右邊，然後後面物件也跟著改一下方向，這裡給你個例子: https://puu.sh/wleSm/ee07c8d5a2.jpg
順便一提從00:12:731 - 到00:30:185 - 接近20秒一直都是逆時針方向的flow沒有作明顯切換，導致flow方向分佈不夠平均，以我來說每4條大白線作一次換向是最好的。我個人建議你把上面那條改了之後，00:23:458 - 開始以順時針flow方向放物件，直到00:25:822 (1) - 這個折返滑條，因為折返滑條可以用作換flow方向的物件，不過這種東西你還是自己考慮吧。 k, fix fix
00:24:913 (2,3,4,1) - 包得不夠好，看縮圈來包改咗順時針方向應該冇咩blanket要包
00:29:822 (4,1) - 00:34:185 (6,1) - ^ fixed
00:34:549 (1,2,3) - 這種轉向很不順手的，你後面也有類似的東西，2去3的路徑是直的，但你兩個滑條的弧度很彎，整個走向顯得很奇葩，簡單來說就是繞的不舒服: http://puu.sh/wlfl0/8998022848.png ，然後我舉個例子你對比一下http://puu.sh/wlfkk/7db2f4ce09.jpg ，這樣flow下去才舒服 okla，其實你之前提起我已經改咗
就在這裡我咕了10天 那你真是辛苦了
後來想了下也不需要太認真，上面的摸改了也不會有大改善，我就整體說一下吧。從Insane難度來說，圖本身是能打的，沒有unrankable問題，但是給人的感覺是不注重整潔度，不注重物件距離，也不注重美觀，簡單來說就是不細心。不是說節奏有問題也不是說沒有梗，只是物件不合曲而已，很多地方用的梗不合曲，很多物件沒法配合歌曲，就像是為了作圖而作圖但沒有思路去想怎麼把排列配合歌曲，換句話說你的這種排列在任何歌上面都是這個樣，就像是把圖量產出來的一樣而且沒有思路，比如說00:14:004 (1,2,3,4) - 00:16:913 (1,2,3,4) - 00:19:822 (1,2,3,4) - 00:22:731 (1,2,3,4,5) - 這種節奏一樣的地方但幾個排列之間完全看不出關聯或者相似之處，甚至物件本身都不一樣。排列的存在沒有意義，不信你可以看看其他的Insane或以上的難度，起碼能看出關聯之處。當然，還有很多mapper也是量產的，但成功的量產mapper他們起碼都能把排列配合歌曲，或者是有自己的風格，有相應的套路，這樣物件才有存在的價值，不會讓人挑刺。在這裡我所看到的排列只能比新人好一點，還沒到合格的階段，還能有很大的提升。我大致結構一下我的回復吧：我把你剛才列出來的地方全部排類似梗了，然後你說的很有道理
至於改善方向，首先你要清楚自己作圖的目的，到底為了什麼而作圖？到底為什麼要作圖？可以是很簡單的理由也可以是很獨特的理由，可以因為作圖很好玩所以作圖，可以為了喜歡的歌而作圖，可以為了pp而作圖。然後，再想想自己是不是要rank圖，自己作圖的理由能不能夠符合rank圖準則，如果rank圖本身是你作圖的目的，那就應該以“圖能rank”為基礎去作圖，如果不是為了rank，那你的gd也不該存在於這裡。如果想作能rank的圖，就要知道“ranked圖”是怎樣的，不是沒有unrankable就可以，而是要有思路去作圖，要有想法去作圖，而不是一堆沒意義的物件，這也是新人作圖最難理解和掌握的地方，成功關鍵在於能理解這個抽象的東西多少。排列配合歌曲不是rank圖必需的，但絕對是一張好圖最基本能夠做到的事，而且這是最合理的理由去把物件放在一個地方，然後再去想更多的想法，比如說有人注重美觀為先，完美blanket，拒絕overlap等等，也有人注重用梗為先，滑條形狀，flow走向等等，或者是比較獨特的想法，整個圖只放圓圈不放滑條，整個圖都要是對稱的，整個圖的flow方向都要是一樣的，物件都要是幾何的，滑條都要是直的等等，有這樣想法的圖，能體現圖另一面的好。經常會有人叫新人看ranked圖，但新人總說沒有用，因為很多人都是真的“看”了就算了，而不是去“理解”那些物件為什麼要那樣放。所以我在這裡的意見也就是讓你多看ranked圖，而且盡量看作圖經驗豐富的mapper的圖來理解。而你的最終目的是把排列塑造成別人沒法挑刺的樣子，這樣才能理所當然地起飛。經常有人跟我說多看rank圖多看rank圖，我當然有看啊，我有去理解的，我都有很聽話的，我也不知道為什麼這次更了一堆stack美麗~~勞資還是適合做音游曲~~
上面提到的一個地方我在這裡分析一下：這首歌裡面的00:14:004 - 到00:15:640，00:16:913 - 到00:18:549，00:19:822 - 到00:21:458，00:22:731 - 到00:24:367，它們節奏相似，即使不會樂理用聽的也能知道。假設把它們分別叫ABCD，先不考慮用排列形狀，在一個普通mapper的思路情況下：
1. ABC一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大，比如滑條換單點、單點換連打
2. AC一套物件，BD一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
3. AC一套物件，B一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
或者也會：
4. ABCD都用相同物件
5. AB一套物件，CD一套物件
6. AB一套物件，C一套物件，D一套物件但通常節奏密度更大
而合理分析後，他們這樣放當然有理由，ABCD在歌曲來說我們廣義叫節奏相似，但實質上鼓點是AC一組，BD一組，音調也是AC一組，BD一組，但強度是ABC一組，D一組。所以上面的1-3是較合理的做法，1是重視強度為先；2是重視鼓點或音調為先；3是最好的做法，顧及三者；4不能說不好因為mapper可能重視整潔和統一性為先，不過這樣多少無視了節奏；5類似1；6也類似1或5但多加考慮了節奏強度。這裡只強調了節奏的下法而沒說排列形狀如何，但如果用了其他的節奏而且排列形狀沒有可見的關聯那只能說是缺乏思路了。呢度按照你上面講嘅方法改咗la，應該每一套都有相似嘅meme

[1112's Extra]
不多說了，我建議你集中做好一個diff吧，照目前的spread來說4-4.4星最好
1112 得了特 ExTRa

說實話我覺得這論文挺適合大部分新人mapper看的

謝謝鋒哥的摸，你這段我大概會po在profile里給自己看

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_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-06-26T08:51:06+00:00

Easy

00:01:095 (1,2,3) - 說實話這有點無聊改成1/2滑條如何? 那樣至少可以抓到之後的聲音
00:06:913 (1,2,3) - ^
00:04:004 (3) - 有點長這加NC吧
00:09:822 (3) - ^
00:11:276 (4,5) - 這些都是1/1滑條但卻跟著很不同的聲音所以聽來有點奇怪試試這個節奏 http://puu.sh/wux1o/1e397ae0db.jpg
00:24:367 - 這音蠻重的非常建議你點到, 試我這個節奏? http://puu.sh/wuxi2/f341f24866.jpg
01:26:913 (1) - 我覺得改spinner比較好他們讓圖變得比較不單調也讓分數有變化 (通常放圖的最後面也蠻好玩的

Normal

00:06:185 (2) - Shortening this to the red tick would flow better rhythmically. Also because 00:05:458 (1,2) are mapping 2 different sounds it feels weird to map them both as the same rhythm
00:12:004 (2) - ^
00:24:367 - This is a predominant beat in the song so skipping over it feels really empty, try adding a circle here
00:44:731 - ^
00:54:913 (1) - I don't really like how you've shortened the combo lengths for the kiai time. It just increases the amount of hp a player will get in this section, thus making it easier to pass which I don't think is necessary

Moeri

00:01:458 (1,2,1) - I find this pattern combined with the overlap really hard to read
00:41:095 (1,1) - I don't really see the point in using different SVs for these 2 sliders. They sound exactly the same so having different SVs doesn't really fit imho and feels overly forecd
I don't really agree the amount of kiai bursts you've put in your map. It seems way excessive and at this level I would consider this to be abusing which is not recommended in the guidelines (yh they're only guildines but still :v ) . Using the same kiais as your normal would be fine.

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Lv9

108 posts

Joined October 2015

Lv9 2017-06-26T10:43:13+00:00

~~峰哥论文到啦~~
谢峰哥~

Kencho wrote:
[Lv9's Insane]
00:12:367 (1) - 好像沒有NC的必要，而且有點破壞梗了去了
00:15:458 (1,2) - 我建議NC位置互換，後面的00:18:367 (1,2) - 和00:21:276 (1,2) - 也一樣改了
順便我覺得00:12:731 (1,2) - 用3/4滑條會比較好，因為你後面的三個地方都是這樣的用圈是因为00:12:731 - 有一个后面三处都没有的明显的音
00:18:549 (2,3) - 空拍3/4但間距好像大了打起来应该不违和
00:23:822 (1,2) - 有點偷懶的感覺，這裡鼓點00:18:004 (1,2,1,2) - 一樣但強度更大，起碼也得用圓圈吧改了
00:48:004 (1,1) - NC應該互換，因為你前面是從白線開NC的，後面00:49:458 (1) - 也是改了
00:48:731 (4,1) - ^ 改了
00:57:095 (1,2,3) - 其實我不是很推薦這個overmap，後面還有幾處也是這樣 aaa
01:05:095 (2) - NC？好
01:13:458 (1,2) - 間距太近了，2 ctrl+G一下比較好这里为的是让2和前面的01:12:731 (3) - 方向保持一样
01:23:276 (5) - 這音效不對吧改了
01:23:640 (6,1) - 沒疊好叠好了
01:25:458 (1,2,3) - 這個地方間距也讓人有點迷惑，我個人意見把2疊在1上面，然後把3疊在2的尾巴还好吧，前后都是0.47x
01:26:549 (3,4) - 間距也太大了，不如這樣 https://puu.sh/wughx/2c8233891e.jpg 好

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[Kamiya]

637 posts

Joined November 2012

[Kamiya] 2017-06-26T11:48:05+00:00

Kencho wrote:
~~placehold，問題太多了論文需時~~
[Kamiya's Hard]
StackLeniency用0.7clear
00:11:276 (1,2) - 包好點clear
00:19:640 (3,4,5) - ^clear
00:40:367 (3) - 換成滑條吧，00:40:549 - 這個鼓音漏了不好clear
00:50:549 (9) - DS有點太遠了，ctrl+G一下會好點，但clear
00:53:276 (1) - 換成圓圈，和00:53:458 (2) - 組成三連，順便NC改成00:53:458 (2) - 開始clear
01:01:640 (5,6) - 這奇葩的間距是搞什麼，雖然你前面的那些折返有故意加大間距，但那些是在每一小節的第三條紅線，但你這個是在第四條紅線上，然後01:02:185 - 是重音，01:02:367 - 又有vocal，整個梗搞得非常不合曲也不好看，我這個給個例子改一下: https://puu.sh/wlem6/172721cf21.jpgclear
01:06:004 (2,3) - ^clear
01:11:822 (4,2) - 不要把圓圈疊在折返頭下面clear
01:13:640 (6) - 改成我前面01:01:640 (5,6) - 說的那樣clear
節奏下的不太好，排列也需要注重點整潔度，雖然你有按DS放但也不該經常overlap，整體來說還有很大進步空間
emmmm，每次峰哥都说很大的进步空间

感谢摸图

改123

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72,284,65095,6,0,L|60:208,1,70,8|2,3:2|1:2,0:0:0:0:
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172,32,65822,5,8,3:2:0:0:
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420,104,66549,5,6,1:2:0:0:
376,32,66731,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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376,212,67276,2,0,P|388:256|376:288,1,77.0000023498536,0|2,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,312,67640,1,8,3:2:0:0:
232,260,67822,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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276,16,69458,5,6,1:2:0:0:
220,80,69640,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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Left 2017-06-26T12:37:50+00:00

pmreq m4m

[Shadowland]
- check with QAT about your BG
- 00:00:731 (1) - unsnap
- 01:10:912 (1) - unsnap
- 01:14:912 (5) - unsnap
- 00:19:276 (3) - NC
- 00:40:367 (4) - i hope lengthening this slider to 00:40:913 - considering 00:37:458 (1) - ended in vocal.
- 00:41:822 (1) - idk why HS became kick-snare-snare while base is still kick-snare-kick-snare
- 00:45:095 (1,2) - kinda breaking this part's rhythm flow. I won't say about readability cuz this map is hard read overall, but i hope you keep 1/2 gap
- 00:54:004 (1) - how do you think about tail mute
- 01:10:912 (1,3) - too close sliders made it visually uncomfortable. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442459 would be cool
- 01:26:913 (1,2,3) - actually no sound here, but that kick and snare sound quite weird. can use another symbol here

rhythm use is cool
good luck!

Shad0w1and

1,588 posts

Joined April 2011

Shad0w1and 2017-06-26T13:00:51+00:00

Left wrote:
pmreq m4m

[Shadowland]
- check with QAT about your BG
- 00:00:731 (1) - unsnap
- 01:10:912 (1) - unsnap
- 01:14:912 (5) - unsnap
- 00:19:276 (3) - NC
- 00:40:367 (4) - i hope lengthening this slider to 00:40:913 - considering 00:37:458 (1) - ended in vocal. need the pause
- 00:41:822 (1) - idk why HS became kick-snare-snare while base is still kick-snare-kick-snare well the pattern make sense
- 00:45:095 (1,2) - kinda breaking this part's rhythm flow. I won't say about readability cuz this map is hard read overall, but i hope you keep 1/2 gap well it is actually easy to read xc, since the track has changed and the NC pattern and flow cut all helped on readability
- 00:54:004 (1) - how do you think about tail mute uhm it is fine I think
- 01:10:912 (1,3) - too close sliders made it visually uncomfortable. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8442459 would be cool
- 01:26:913 (1,2,3) - actually no sound here, but that kick and snare sound quite weird. can use another symbol here nope, I followed mostly wind instruments and vocal, and 01:26:913 (1) - is the wind, its sound ended at 01:27:276 - . then, 01:27:458 (2,3) - is the vocal beat.

rhythm use is cool
good luck!

thank you very much

http://puu.sh/wuGaj/ca9267c781.zip

Shima Rin

1,304 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Shima Rin 2017-06-26T13:20:11+00:00

Kencho wrote:
~~placehold，問題太多了論文需時~~
[General]
Inconsistent tags:
Hard 然而这个似乎已经修复过了
(Mania裡面的Hard難度)
Inconsistent video value:
Moe[Sagi]ri's Normal
1112's Light Insane
Lv9's Insane
kanor's Insane
1112's Extra
(這幾個都沒加上eromanga.avi)
Unused hitsounds:
A#6S_Bb6S.wav
A#7S_Bb7S_s.wav
C4S_s.wav
F#6S_Gb6S_s.wav
G#5S_Ab5S_s.wav
G6S.wav
soft-hitfinish51.wav
soft-hitfinish54.wav
soft-hitfinish56.wav
soft-hitfinish57.wav
soft-hitfinish58.wav
Storyboard files not found:
drum-hit10.wav
hihat.wav
E7S_s.wav
(這個我不知道幹嘛的，但應該是mania的東西)
Hitsound file is not 100 ms length:
drum-hitnormal10.wav 72.52ms
(這個要用音頻編輯軟件搞一下，把它的長度拉到100ms以上)
Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms:
drum-hitnormal10.wav (看了一下應該是誤報，可能因為長度不夠100ms所導致的，首先把長度問題修了吧)
drum-hitnormal10.wav
normal-hitnormal53.wav (這個是真的，要改)
normal-hitnormal53.wav
normal-hitnormal60.wav (這個也是真的)
normal-hitnormal60.wav
SCG_A3s.wav (這個有4.5ms延遲，雖然沒到5ms但也改了吧)
SCG_A3s.wav
SCG_B3s.wav (這個很誇張，11ms)
SCG_B3s.wav
SCG_F3s.wav (要改)
SCG_F3s.wav
SCG_G3s.wav (要改)
SCG_G3s.wav
當然我都已經做到這個地步了，還是直接把修改好的給你一份吧: http://puu.sh/wldEH/c8085074ca.zip
上面的HS全都改惹
[Moe[Sagi]ri's Normal]
00:13:822 (2,3) - 沒疊好 (後來我發現問題是因為經常你ctrl+G導致的，ctrl+G三點以上的滑條會導致滑條變形的，我也是後來發現，然後因為變形了所以才會沒疊好)
好的
沒大問題

[Moe[Sagi]ri's Manga]
00:29:276 (3,2) - 沒疊好，但我看這個地方ctrl+J的，你應該把滑條尾微移一下然後複製到00:35:095 (3) -
00:40:731 (2,1) - 沒疊好
00:56:004 (3) - 我猜是忘了NC，因為後面的也有NC
00:56:549 (2,4) - 沒疊好
01:07:640 (3,1) - ^
01:11:458 (6,3) - 01:23:276 (3,1) - ^，太多地方沒疊好了，我猜是因為你ctrl+G兩下導致的，因為我發現ctrl+G兩下會導致滑條錨點坐標四寫五入，導致滑條變形，坐標也就錯了，所以現在三點滑條我都手動拉第二點和第三點了，差不多就行了，不然這樣要搞半天的。果然事實會把強迫症磨走啊
上面的問題我全部修改了orz
謝謝肯波摸圖！
說實話我覺得這論文挺適合大部分新人mapper看的

Kisses wrote:
Normal
00:06:185 (2) - Shortening this to the red tick would flow better rhythmically. Also because 00:05:458 (1,2) are mapping 2 different sounds it feels weird to map them both as the same rhythm
They are mapped to same instruments, it's just that I don't want to map out the 1/3 in Normal diff, the music suggests only these instruments. I just simplified the rhythm here, since 00:06:185 (2) - is intended to make a more feeling of that these two cover the same instruments.
00:12:004 (2) - ^
Reasoning explained same as above.
00:24:367 - This is a predominant beat in the song so skipping over it feels really empty, try adding a circle here
It's intentionally skipped, since there's basically no sound there except some subtle bassdrum-kick. The drum instruments in the song are rather not very clear/obvious. The song itself focus and emphasizes the trumpet and vocals. Since that's the case, and I'm actually following drums but with a little twist, I covered the sublte basskick sound with the finish at 00:24:185 - and etc.. You should get the basic idea of it by now. If there's actual finish in the song, I'll map on that tick like here 00:41:822 - .
00:44:731 - ^ As explained above, I think it's clear enough.
00:54:913 (1) - I don't really like how you've shortened the combo lengths for the kiai time. It just increases the amount of hp a player will get in this section, thus making it easier to pass which I don't think is necessary
It's about shorten combo yes, but not about gaining more HP. I don't think HP being low is any issue for lower difficulties. My intention here was to make it more clear of splitting up the music in segments, and make these segments more visible, as well as enhancing readability, so it doesn't look like a mess of the same color.

Moeri
00:01:458 (1,2,1) - I find this pattern combined with the overlap really hard to read
I think it's fine though. The distance increases gradually as seeen in comparison of 00:01:095 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 00:02:549 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 00:04:004 (1,2,1,2,3,1) - , and as well as the section which is basically identical, I used same DS for them. Readabilty shouldn't be an issue for most people here.
00:41:095 (1,1) - I don't really see the point in using different SVs for these 2 sliders. They sound exactly the same so having different SVs doesn't really fit imho and feels overly forecd
It IS different, I think you need to listen closer to it, although I think it shouldn't be needed to actually hear the difference. For me it sounds quite clear that it's a buildup thing here. My intention was to emphasize this change of volume using SV and volume contrast.
I don't really agree the amount of kiai bursts you've put in your map. It seems way excessive and at this level I would consider this to be abusing which is not recommended in the guidelines (yh they're only guildines but still :v ) . Using the same kiais as your normal would be fine.
I think they fit perfectly fine though, and very logically placed, which is every finish. Also I've checked the actual fountain effect for default skin, it doesn't look excessive to me. I think the music feeling is very reasonable to use the kind of kiai toggling. To me it feels like parade music for the non-vocal part, so the fountains fit. But most people don't actually use the fountains if they play a 5.25* map, so at least the purpose is highlighting some intensive sounds in the song.

GL!
Thanks for modding!

Moeri's Reply to the mods. Thanks for mods Kencho & Kisses

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-06-26T18:09:40+00:00

補摸

[Shad0w1and's Insane]

這難度有點非主流，有些物件我覺得在light insane裡面不太好，還有容易斷滑條的問題也要改善一下
00:09:822 (1,2) - 太遠了，2 ctrl+G一下還差不多
00:14:004 (1,2,3,4) - 這種3/4比較非主流的做法，沒說不行不過我覺得這裡間距太大了，像後面00:16:913 (1,2,3,4) - 的可以接受
00:19:822 (1,2,3,4) - 00:22:731 (1,2,3,4) - ^，簡單來說就是想你把3/4的地方間距用小點的DS，3.0x就太大了2.5x以下都可以
00:24:731 (2,3,4) - 00:30:549 (2,3,4) - 像這樣的23間距和34間距有差異而且不統一，在light insane裡面不該這樣吧
00:40:004 (3,4) - ^
00:41:458 (1,2) - 換成折返更好
00:45:095 (1) - 應該用1/2滑條，這個和00:45:822 (3) - 是一樣的
01:28:367 (1) - 這轉盤比較勉強，時間也有點短，不如把01:28:276 (1) - 換成滑條拉到01:29:095 - 會更好，而且用滑條也能符合你前面的藝術滑條風格
整體來說不太滿意的地方是3/4滑條的間距不友善，其次是音效在set裡面太另類，set裡面大家都有在kiai用bell音效，我覺得你也加上比較好，然後還有很多的slider tick位置可以搞點tick鼓點音效什麼的

Shad0w1and

1,588 posts

Joined April 2011

Shad0w1and 2017-06-26T21:32:47+00:00

Kencho wrote:
補摸
[Shad0w1and's Insane]
這難度有點非主流，有些物件我覺得在light insane裡面不太好，還有容易斷滑條的問題也要改善一下这个就是Insane，不存在什么不符合难度的问题。拒绝所有难度相关问题。我不会再固定DS做pp流。
00:09:822 (1,2) - 太遠了，2 ctrl+G一下還差不多不远，但还是改了
00:14:004 (1,2,3,4) - 這種3/4比較非主流的做法，沒說不行不過我覺得這裡間距太大了，像後面00:16:913 (1,2,3,4) - 的可以接受没有问题，但还是微调了一下
00:19:822 (1,2,3,4) - 00:22:731 (1,2,3,4) - ^，簡單來說就是想你把3/4的地方間距用小點的DS，3.0x就太大了2.5x以下都可以故意的，作为长音其1/1的节奏密度本来就可以这么放
00:24:731 (2,3,4) - 00:30:549 (2,3,4) - 像這樣的23間距和34間距有差異而且不統一，在light insane裡面不該這樣吧
00:40:004 (3,4) - ^
00:41:458 (1,2) - 換成折返更好
00:45:095 (1) - 應該用1/2滑條，這個和00:45:822 (3) - 是一樣的 only vocal and winds were under consideration
01:28:367 (1) - 這轉盤比較勉強，時間也有點短，不如把01:28:276 (1) - 換成滑條拉到01:29:095 - 會更好，而且用滑條也能符合你前面的藝術滑條風格待议
整體來說不太滿意的地方是3/4滑條的間距不友善，其次是音效在set裡面太另類，set裡面大家都有在kiai用bell音效，我覺得你也加上比較好，然後還有很多的slider tick位置可以搞點tick鼓點音效什麼的

音效我再看看，能加就加，不合就算了

Net0

1,238 posts

Joined October 2014

Net0 2017-06-27T00:05:21+00:00

IRC mod about Shad0w'1and's Insane

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19:38 Net0: Is it the next Hitorigoto map?
19:38 Net0: xD
19:39 Net0: what's the mapset?
19:39 Shad0w1and: if you may do a quick mod after xc
19:40 Net0: sure I can take a look at it
19:41 Net0: can you np?
19:42 *Shad0w1and is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1342042 ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX- [Shad0w1and's Insane]]
19:43 Net0: I'll look soon
19:43 Net0: Hey just a quick question
19:44 Net0: When you make maps
19:44 Net0: Do you map and hitsound it at the same time? Or do you like map and later make hitsounding?
19:44 Shad0w1and: i hs first then patterning
19:44 Shad0w1and: place rhythm, hs, then patterning
19:45 Net0: Really interesting
19:45 Shad0w1and: because during hs you can double check the rhythm you placed
19:45 Shad0w1and: otherwise if you get smt wrong
19:45 Shad0w1and: you remap a whole section
19:45 Net0: yeah sometimes it happens to me quite a lot
19:45 Shad0w1and: when it comes to modding stage
19:45 Net0: But like
19:45 Net0: when you place the rhythm and hitsound
19:46 Net0: do you go to the start of the diff and start placing stuff or do you create a new diff using the first as a sample?
19:47 Shad0w1and: almost never make thing on new diff
19:47 Net0: so the diff you make rhythm and hs is also the diff you make the patterns
19:47 Net0: ?
19:48 Shad0w1and: after rhythm placing it is just a random map
19:48 Shad0w1and: then hs
19:48 Shad0w1and: then patterning and make structures
19:48 Shad0w1and: if you do this there is no need for make backups
19:49 Net0: really interesting
19:54 *Net0 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1342042 ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX- [Shad0w1and's Insane]]
19:54 Net0: interesting rhythm 00:01:095 (1,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,1) - 
19:55 Net0: instead of the usual vocal you went for the instrumental break 00:01:276 -  ~ 00:01:822 -  to give emphasis to the "trumpet" sound here 00:02:004 (1) - 
19:56 Shad0w1and: yeah
19:56 Net0: there's a lack of emphasis tho in this section 00:05:458 (1) - 
19:59 Net0: all the strong emphatic parts 00:01:095 (1) - /00:02:549 (1) - /00:04:004 (1) -  were expressed by circles and the transition was mapped with a slider 00:05:458 (1) -  I like this idea. But my main concern is that this slider 00:05:458 (1) -  became a very important object so it lacks emphasis because it is similar to the previous straight sliders 00:04:185 (2) - /00:02:731 (2) - /00:01:276 (2) - 
20:00 Net0: if the previous sliders were all "horizontal" and only 00:05:458 (1) -  "vertical" would be a great contrast
20:00 Net0: but yeah just a suggestion
20:00 Shad0w1and: well when it comes to play it really does not matter that much :/
20:00 Net0: since spacing and hs can cover the need of impact on this slider 00:05:458 (1) - 
20:01 Net0: it doesn't that's why it's just a suggestion
20:01 Net0: xD
20:01 Shad0w1and: yeah, sometimes I just try to make it fits my eye
20:02 Shad0w1and: although i have no idea they say my diffs are ugly
20:02 Net0: 00:10:731 (1) -  move it a bit down to avoid overlapping it with 00:09:276 (1,1) - 
20:02 Net0: just like a tiny little bit
20:02 Net0: It's not ugly
20:03 Net0: at least not in my standards
20:05 Net0: 00:13:458 (1,2,3) - 
20:05 Net0: nice hs
20:06 Net0: 00:13:822 (3) -  indeed is stronger
20:07 Net0: what do you think about stacking this 00:15:640 (1,2) -  ?
20:08 Shad0w1and: not really
20:08 Net0: np
20:08 Net0: 00:19:276 (1,2,3,1) - 
20:08 Shad0w1and: due to my nc
20:08 Net0: would be interesting
20:08 Net0: if the tail of this slider 00:19:822 (1) - 
20:08 Shad0w1and: you cant nc 00:16:004 -
20:09 Shad0w1and: and its a not sound
20:09 Net0: were symmetric with 00:19:276 (1) - 
20:09 Shad0w1and: better separate
20:09 Net0: yeah I get it
20:09 Net0: just concern about spacing reading but it's not a major point
20:10 Shad0w1and: its a new sound *
20:10 Shad0w1and: lol
20:12 Net0: Yeah don't worry lol
20:12 Net0: did you check my point here 00:19:276 (1,2,3,1) -  ?
20:13 Shad0w1and: I adjusted a bit
20:14 Net0: All right about the main verse
20:14 Net0: you switched to vocal mapping if I'm not mistaken 00:24:731 (2,3,4,1,2) -  right?
20:14 Shad0w1and: http://puu.sh/wv5OP/53781857a9.jpg
20:15 Shad0w1and: the whole map is about vocal and wind
20:15 Shad0w1and: except for 00:41:095 (1,1,2,1) -
20:15 Net0: the intro is not vocal imo 
20:15 Shad0w1and: and a few other plays
20:15 Shad0w1and: yeah
20:15 Shad0w1and: because i want to map differently
20:16 Shad0w1and: instead of be same as other 20 insanes
20:16 Net0: all right then you're going with vocals here 00:24:367 -  ~ 00:36:004 - 
20:16 Net0: it really fits going with vocals
20:16 Shad0w1and: 00:24:731 (2,3,4,1,2) -
20:16 Shad0w1and: vocal
20:16 Shad0w1and: 00:27:276 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1) -
20:17 Shad0w1and: wind
20:17 Shad0w1and: 00:30:185 (1) - crash
20:17 Net0: yeah that's my concern
20:17 Net0: the transition from the vocal
20:17 Net0: to the wind part
20:18 Net0: the rhythm gaps of the last two sliders
20:18 Net0: 00:25:822 (1,2) - 
20:18 Net0: are the same for the transition 
20:18 Net0: 00:26:549 (2,1) - 
20:18 Net0: makes it kinda confusing to get that it's going for another layer of the song
20:19 Net0: if the vocals were all 1/2 and you make it a gap of 1/1
20:19 Net0: only here 00:26:549 (2,1) - 
20:19 Net0: that would benefit the transition
20:20 Shad0w1and: well
20:20 Shad0w1and: nc and shorter spacing will hit players imo
20:20 Shad0w1and: also
20:21 Shad0w1and: consider the long slider, it is actually two beats for players to get the rhythm
20:21 Shad0w1and: understand the rhythm change and spacing change is what makes map fun
20:24 Net0: well it's your choice in the end
20:24 Net0: I personally would put a circle here 00:26:367 -  and here 00:32:185 - 
20:24 Net0: to make it contrast a bit more and make it clear that they're going along with different layers of the song
20:25 Net0: really cool pattern 00:44:004 (1,1,1) - 
20:26 Shad0w1and: well since I try to focus only vocal
20:26 Shad0w1and: i only consider vocal beat here
20:26 Net0: yeah vocal only you wouldn't map those beats
20:26 Shad0w1and: because switch too often will make it like a general one
20:28 Net0: next point is this patterns 00:41:822 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - /00:45:095 (1,2,3,4) - /00:48:004 (1,2,3,4) - 
20:28 Net0: they're very inconsistent imo in terms of rhythm
20:28 Net0: the first 1/1 gap is circle slider 00:41:822 (1,2) -  , then you have two circles 00:45:095 (1,2) - , then 00:48:004 (1,2) -  no 1/1 gap at all
20:28 Shad0w1and: yeah
20:29 Shad0w1and: but the vocal is like that :/
20:29 Shad0w1and: I am picking only one track to follow
20:29 Shad0w1and: if there is no other insane, I might do that
20:30 Net0: nope the vocal is all over you have a lot of choices for rhythm here
20:31 Shad0w1and: if you listen through the vocal you will find it makes sense
20:31 Net0: it does
20:31 Net0: I'm not saying it doesn't
20:31 Shad0w1and: yeah
20:31 Net0: I'm saying that you could have made them a bit more similar to each other while keeping only vocal
20:32 Shad0w1and: I know I could, and that is what I do in general
20:32 Shad0w1and: but for this song
20:32 Shad0w1and: it is like will have 20 ranked insane
20:32 Net0: there's a vocal line here ignored 00:45:276 - /00:46:731 - 
20:32 Shad0w1and: all I want to do is to follow one track at a time
20:33 Net0: this for example could be mapped as a slider end 00:46:731 - 
20:33 Net0: to make it consistent with this next slider 00:49:095 (4) - 
20:33 Net0: the same could be said about the circle here 00:45:095 (1) - 
20:33 Net0: that could be mapped with 1/2 slider
20:33 Net0: for the vocal here 00:45:276 - 
20:33 Shad0w1and: n can be ignored in my opinion
20:33 Net0: and make it consistent with 00:48:004 (1) - 
20:34 Shad0w1and: well
20:35 Shad0w1and: I personally do not think that is consistent
20:36 Shad0w1and: because the vocal is not consistent
20:36 Shad0w1and: n sound usually has much less impact
20:36 Net0: well yeah you can go not consistent with you really want
20:36 Net0: just giving you options 
20:37 Net0: fix blanket 00:50:549 (1,1) -  :3
20:37 Shad0w1and: I do not like the word consistency :c
20:37 Net0: sorry about it
20:37 Net0: just got my attention
20:37 Net0: :<
20:38 Net0: 00:52:004 (1) - 
20:39 Net0: move it to x:167 y:255
20:39 Net0: to fix the blanket
20:39 Shad0w1and: i have adjusted it :D
20:39 Shad0w1and: its now fine
20:41 Net0: I believe the song here is continuously growing intensity 
20:41 Net0: 01:05:095 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 
20:42 Shad0w1and: it is?
20:43 Shad0w1and: jumps are getting bigger
20:43 Net0: well at least that's what your mapping is suggesting
20:44 Net0: so hitsounding both of this the same way 01:05:095 (1,2,3,4) - /01:05:822 (1,2,3,4) -  I'm not so sure about it
20:44 Net0: I think that the lack of hitsounding here 01:06:367 (4) - 
20:44 Shad0w1and: I am adding bell sound xc
20:44 Net0: makes it don't stand as much as your mapping
20:44 Net0: is going for
20:45 Shad0w1and: i am adding another layer of hs
20:45 Net0: bell sound
20:45 Net0: ?
20:45 Shad0w1and: you can check the mania
20:45 Shad0w1and: see what i am saying
20:46 Net0: I'd add a tom here 01:06:367 (4) - 
20:46 Net0: but yeah whatever you like the most
20:46 Net0: xD
20:48 Net0: so tricky 01:27:640 (3,1,1) - 
20:48 Net0: I'm pretty sure BNs will mod that really hard but personally there isn't much to suggest
20:48 Shad0w1and: yeah it is tricky anyways
20:49 Net0: I could suggest to finish the slider on blue tick for polarity
20:49 Shad0w1and: the blanket in my standard is the best way to help reading
20:49 Shad0w1and: in this case
20:49 Net0: but I think you want this to be really tricky
20:50 Net0: well you didn't accept any of what I said but hope it gives you all the alerts you might receive in the future
20:50 Net0: xD
20:59 Shad0w1and: the quality is not a problem, once people get the concepts
21:00 Net0: well if the map HAS concepts applied logically it has quality
21:00 Net0: imo

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-06-27T02:18:59+00:00

@Shadowland

The whistles on the sliderbodies such as 00:27:276 (1) sound really jarring and tbh quite annoying. At least for those that use default hitsounds when playing.

Last edited by _handholding 2017-06-27T02:44:30+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-06-27T02:37:11+00:00

insane

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kanor

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kanor 2017-06-27T07:43:49+00:00

Kencho wrote:
[kanor's Insane]
00:12:004 (4) - 節奏轉換可以NC一下好，那我前面也加了
00:38:004 (4) - 這個突然跟vocal但忽略了鼓點比較奇怪，我建議一個圓圈+一個1/2滑條比較好 fixed
00:56:549 (2,3,4) - 其實我不是很推薦這個overmap，後面還有幾處也是這樣试着改了好几次发现改完之后的排列都不满意...因为要动这个overmap那几乎整个kiai就都要re，而且我一下子想不出什么更好的法子去避免1/2 jump，这里我还是想暂时先keep，不然改掉了之后整个diff就感觉挺无聊了（本来就无聊）
01:18:185 (1,2) - 間距太近了不太好，但看起來不好改，要改動好幾處，這裡給你個建議，你應該看得懂改了，不愧是flow mapperhttps://puu.sh/wuh9C/1d4ba158ca.png
01:23:822 (8,1) - 一樣，可能把01:24:004 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 往左移比較好
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[Emiria]

1,010 posts

Joined November 2012

[Emiria] 2017-06-28T09:09:10+00:00

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Shad0w1and

1,588 posts

Joined April 2011

Shad0w1and 2017-06-28T14:52:06+00:00

Kisses wrote:
@Shadowland

The whistles on the sliderbodies such as 00:27:276 (1) sound really jarring and tbh quite annoying. At least for those that use default hitsounds when playing.

that was the idea to overwrite the tracks other than wind.

the IRC mod from Gero:

SPOILER

2017-06-26 21:31 Gero: let's see
2017-06-26 21:36 Gero: 00:12:731 - could you silence the tail of those sliders?
2017-06-26 21:36 Gero: 00:45:276 - how about a circle here? it trolled me lol
2017-06-26 21:36 Gero: just that
2017-06-26 21:36 Shad0w1and: lol they are not audiable but yeah maybe i can
2017-06-26 21:36 Gero: some sliders that end on 1/4 sounds weird
2017-06-26 21:37 Shad0w1and: yeah that is a possibility
2017-06-26 21:37 Gero: they are audible with custom skins
2017-06-26 21:37 Gero: that's why :3
2017-06-26 21:37 Shad0w1and: maybe change to a slider
2017-06-26 21:37 Shad0w1and: lol
2017-06-26 21:37 Gero: so would be better to silence them
2017-06-26 21:37 Gero: but the rest is fine
2017-06-26 21:37 Gero: I like it
2017-06-26 21:37 Shad0w1and: custom hs xc
2017-06-26 21:38 Gero: it was good o3o
2017-06-26 21:38 Shad0w1and: thank you

yeah, want to make some fun stuff within RC
2017-06-26 21:39 Gero: it's interesting to see that kind of gimmicks
2017-06-26 21:39 Shad0w1and: yeah I was enjoy some of those maps and tried to learn a bit myself
2017-06-26 21:40 Gero: I also want to map something like that hahaha
2017-06-26 21:40 Shad0w1and: yeah osu need diversity of all the same style
2017-06-26 21:40 Shad0w1and: instead of*

since it is a custom hs issue, it is not under my consideration atm. leave that for now. other fixed.

Last edited by Shad0w1and 2017-06-28T15:37:15+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-06-28T14:59:46+00:00

Light rip

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-06-29T08:35:34+00:00

[1112's Insane]

加上video
00:15:458 (5,1) - 太遠了，試試這樣放 https://puu.sh/wx7iP/c11a911786.png
00:17:276 (2,4) - 應該換個位置，
00:18:549 (1,2,3) - 試著把這三個物件用相同的DS，這樣看起來更整潔
00:23:458 (3) - ctrl+G吧
00:31:276 (4,1,2,3) - 這裡給你個意見 https://puu.sh/wx6Jb/4fe801064f.png https://puu.sh/wx6Jr/bc3659733b.png
00:59:276 (1,2,3,4) - 弄個正三角啊
01:12:367 (1,2) - 有點太遠了，這樣放 https://puu.sh/wx6Vu/44203b3319.png ，然後後面的物件也要微移一下
01:28:276 (1) - ctrl+H和ctrl+J一下然後這樣放更好看 https://puu.sh/wx6Z8/8339d916d1.png

可以接受，先把這些改著

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-06-29T08:49:15+00:00

活力先生

Kencho wrote:
粗字體=愛佳
原諒色and變異的姨媽紅=1112
[1112's Insane]
加上video 可不是已經有video了嗎
00:15:458 (5,1) - 太遠了，試試這樣放 https://puu.sh/wx7iP/c11a911786.png 這裡是跟著前面的梗啊，我就保留了
00:17:276 (2,4) - 應該換個位置，雖然不是按照你的方式可是改了
00:18:549 (1,2,3) - 試著把這三個物件用相同的DS，這樣看起來更整潔放近少少
00:23:458 (3) - ctrl+G吧 這樣是有意義的
00:31:276 (4,1,2,3) - 這裡給你個意見 https://puu.sh/wx6Jb/4fe801064f.png https://puu.sh/wx6Jr/bc3659733b.png 不了，第一個跟我之前沒更新那個差不多
00:59:276 (1,2,3,4) - 弄個正三角啊 被發現偷懶了orz
01:12:367 (1,2) - 有點太遠了，這樣放 https://puu.sh/wx6Vu/44203b3319.png ，然後後面的物件也要微移一下 放近一點
01:28:276 (1) - ctrl+H和ctrl+J一下然後這樣放更好看 https://puu.sh/wx6Z8/8339d916d1.png fixed
可以接受，先把這些改著

多謝肯球！

变异的姨妈红，我他妈笑爆

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kanor

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kanor 2017-07-02T14:02:29+00:00

改了改萌球的摸，音效就拜托啦QWQ

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Tags:eromanga sensei ero manga eromanga-sensei opening tv size eromangasensei Suzuki_1112 1112deng kanor Level9 Ryuusei Aika RsAk Moeri Moecho [Kamiya] victorica_db [Emiria]
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Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-07-06T17:46:26+00:00

Garden

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined June 2013

Garden 2017-07-07T07:26:51+00:00

a long ago request lol

Easy
00:56:367 - 01:02:913 - 漏了soft addition whistle
没啥问题

Normal
00:18:004 (4,1) - 00:28:004 (2,4) - 00:41:095 (4,1) - 00:47:095 (5,1) - 都摆成这样了为什么不干脆包一下..
00:52:004 (3,4) - 你前面都感觉在跟vocal这里没仔细听一下还真没发现忽然换了个东西跟，要不要 00:51:276 (2) - 也换成3/2，这样更明显一点

Hard
00:30:185 - 可以试试->https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529613 后面也要相应调整，主要跟vocal也不一定这些都要跳过嘛
01:14:004 (2) - 头尾都漏音效

1112 Insane
00:12:731 (1) - ~~可以ctrl-g，这里感觉没必要刻意把flow弄别扭，毕竟light insane定位，接前面的1/4就不要搞太难了吧~~ 哦和后面梗统一的话那我建议你 00:12:367 (3,4) - 这个ctrl-g，1/4的部分还是简单点
00:22:731 (1,2,3,4) - 参照你前两组的变化关系，这组我建议这样摆 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529657，一来是同向二来是 00:24:185 - 这里可以强调到
01:17:458 (3,1,1) - 像这种图形组合的如果注意一下视觉感受我觉得会摆得更好看些->https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529670 不过好看这东西见仁见智所以我也就抛砖引玉地提一下..

Lv9 Insane
00:47:458 (4) - 头尾漏音效，参考 00:44:549 (4) -
01:22:549 (2,3) - 漏音效
01:28:276 (1) - 这种perfect overlap原则上现在unrankable了，新规矩

kanor Insane
00:06:185 (1,2,3) - 00:12:004 (1,2,3) - 1/3
01:00:185 (2,3,4) - 参照你前面那组这里应该这样摆吧 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529705，而且这样玩起来flow也和 00:59:276 (1,2,3,4) - 相对应了，1->2 一个锐角跳过去接3个偏直线的1/4滑条
唔看了下你后面又觉得 00:59:276 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:10:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 是这两个在统一.. 鉴于后面不太好改的样子还是你自己权衡吧
01:24:731 (4,5,6) - 为什么不弄和 01:24:004 (1,2,3) - 一样的? 456感觉稍稍有点别手..

Moe[Sagi]ri's Manga
挺好的

现在带std的hybrid set T1也不能点所以就来稍微粗略看了看，加油 !

Otosaka-Yu

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Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-07-07T07:32:08+00:00

Garden wrote:
a long ago request lol

1112 Insane
00:12:731 (1) - ~~可以ctrl-g，这里感觉没必要刻意把flow弄别扭，毕竟light insane定位，接前面的1/4就不要搞太难了吧~~ 哦和后面梗统一的话那我建议你 00:12:367 (3,4) - 这个ctrl-g，1/4的部分还是简单点这里不是很敢确定，我等爱佳帮我看一下
00:22:731 (1,2,3,4) - 参照你前两组的变化关系，这组我建议这样摆 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529657，一来是同向二来是 00:24:185 - 这里可以强调到我觉得有道理，先改着，之后也是给爱佳看一下
01:17:458 (3,1,1) - 像这种图形组合的如果注意一下视觉感受我觉得会摆得更好看些->https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529670 不过好看这东西见仁见智所以我也就抛砖引玉地提一下.. 应该没关系了吧233毕竟这里我觉得还是ok的

现在带std的hybrid set T1也不能点所以就来稍微粗略看了看，加油 !

蟹蟹花园大师~

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edit:记得加Light

Last edited by Otosaka-Yu 2017-07-07T14:29:06+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Ryuusei Aika

Elite Mapper

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Joined January 2016

Ryuusei Aika 2017-07-07T14:27:06+00:00

Kencho wrote:
[RsAk's Easy]
00:30:549 (2) - DS遠了 i hate 1 digit error
沒大問題

Kisses wrote:
Easy
00:01:095 (1,2,3) - 說實話這有點無聊改成1/2滑條如何? 那樣至少可以抓到之後的聲音 fixed
00:06:913 (1,2,3) - ^ ^
00:04:004 (3) - 有點長這加NC吧 fixed
00:09:822 (3) - ^ ^
00:11:276 (4,5) - 這些都是1/1滑條但卻跟著很不同的聲音所以聽來有點奇怪試試這個節奏 http://puu.sh/wux1o/1e397ae0db.jpg 這裡我覺得跟00:05:458 (2,3) - 是一樣的，都是跟白線上那兩個比較重的音
00:24:367 - 這音蠻重的非常建議你點到, 試我這個節奏? http://puu.sh/wuxi2/f341f24866.jpg 你這個節奏的話滑條尾壓的是00:24:004 - 沒什麼音的地方......說實話它00:24:185 - 和00:24:367 - 都有音，再加上我00:23:458 (4) - 這個折返跟的三個紅線上的音性質都是一樣的所以我作為一個easy只能捨棄那個大白線上的音了
01:26:913 (1) - 我覺得改spinner比較好他們讓圖變得比較不單調也讓分數有變化 (通常放圖的最後面也蠻好玩的我個人覺得滑條不錯誒

GL!

花园说的音效拜托帮忙弄下，谢啦

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kanor

925 posts

Joined August 2013

kanor 2017-07-09T02:05:51+00:00

Garden wrote:
a long ago request lol

kanor Insane
00:06:185 (1,2,3) - 00:12:004 (1,2,3) - 1/3 fixed
01:00:185 (2,3,4) - 参照你前面那组这里应该这样摆吧 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529705，而且这样玩起来flow也和 00:59:276 (1,2,3,4) - 相对应了，1->2 一个锐角跳过去接3个偏直线的1/4滑条
唔看了下你后面又觉得 00:59:276 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 01:10:913 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 是这两个在统一.. 鉴于后面不太好改的样子还是你自己权衡吧试着改了几次都不满意...我暂时先留着吧QWQ
01:24:731 (4,5,6) - 为什么不弄和 01:24:004 (1,2,3) - 一样的? 456感觉稍稍有点别手.. fixed

感谢花园姐姐

to 萌球：好死不死改之前点了下更新....
01:05:095 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 这一段的音效要重新弄一下
01:16:731 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^

Duang

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[Kamiya]

637 posts

Joined November 2012

[Kamiya] 2017-07-09T05:55:15+00:00

Garden wrote:
a long ago request lol
Hard
00:30:185 - 可以试试->https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8529613 后面也要相应调整，主要跟vocal也不一定这些都要跳过嘛clear
01:14:004 (2) - 头尾都漏音效

音效就拜托萌球神了~

谢谢花园的摸~！

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Shima Rin

1,304 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Shima Rin 2017-07-12T04:34:00+00:00

Garden wrote:
a long ago request lol

Normal
00:18:004 (4,1) - 00:28:004 (2,4) - 00:41:095 (4,1) - 00:47:095 (5,1) - 都摆成这样了为什么不干脆包一下...
我之前已经讲过是因为美观，不一定完全包好才是最完美的。这里相似一种花瓣绽放的效果，为绽放的时候就像完全包好的，只是个人美观观点。
00:52:004 (3,4) - 你前面都感觉在跟vocal这里没仔细听一下还真没发现忽然换了个东西跟，要不要 00:51:276 (2) - 也换成3/2，这样更明显一点
我觉得这里节奏没问题，毕竟整首歌的鼓点和其他乐器都比较弱，还有整张图跟的乐器改变其实挺多，这是故意的，这样可以疏松开节奏来，不然太多节奏跟着的话会一串串不停。

Moe[Sagi]ri's Manga
挺好的谢谢花园

现在带std的hybrid set T1也不能点所以就来稍微粗略看了看，加油 !

谢谢花园摸图！~~你以为我是豆腐其实我是萌球哒~~

Otosaka-Yu

1,117 posts

Joined August 2013

Otosaka-Yu 2017-07-13T15:09:34+00:00

豆腐哥啊顺便说问句，00:00:731 - 要不要跟一下维多用1/8

Shima Rin

1,304 posts

Joined March 2015

Topic Starter

Shima Rin 2017-07-13T15:34:50+00:00

Suzuki_1112 wrote:
豆腐哥啊顺便说问句，00:00:731 - 要不要跟一下维多用1/8

不太想用，感觉是个前奏，维多喜欢就用吧，我不太想

Lv9

108 posts

Joined October 2015

Lv9 2017-07-14T13:26:05+00:00

Garden wrote:
Lv9 Insane
00:47:458 (4) - 头尾漏音效，参考 00:44:549 (4) - 我这里显示两个滑条头尾都没音效。。
01:22:549 (2,3) - 漏音效改了
01:28:276 (1) - 这种perfect overlap原则上现在unrankable了，新规矩改了

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juankristal

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juankristal 2017-08-03T19:22:25+00:00

Some IRC before setting a piano icon

14:12 Tofu1222: Hi juan 'w')/
14:13 Tofu1222: first i really wanna thank you for pushing my mapset to beatmap spotlight. I am so excited XD
14:24 Tofu1222: and btw what's your opinion on my request? =w=
14:27 juankristal: heyo
14:27 juankristal: and you are welcome, that map was pretty fun so you deserve it

14:28 juankristal: about your map I have seen the hardest difficulty on it
14:28 juankristal: and besides minor improvements that could be done about it I am kinda bothered by the main burst on it
14:28 juankristal: I feel it doesnt really fit the theme of the map so we will likely have to work on it
14:29 Tofu1222: do u mean the one before the kiai?
14:30 Tofu1222: i remember it is true that i put one really annoying burst on that part, which was done on my own. But I wasnt sure that it fitted. actually i dont mind to delete it and just make it to LNs.
14:30 juankristal: lemme see it again
14:31 Tofu1222: ok
14:31 juankristal: 00:54:685 (54685|2,54822|2,54913|2) - that would be the main thing
14:32 Tofu1222: oh yea
14:32 juankristal: spread-wise it is a bit of a complicated thing as well given the hard is just LNs instead
14:32 juankristal: so in my opinion the patterns have to be as easy as possible if it uses 1/8s
14:32 Tofu1222: actually i can get rid of this whole burst and replace them with LNs too
14:32 Tofu1222: i used to do that
14:33 Tofu1222: but actually i was thinking about making some difference
14:33 juankristal: thats up to you really, I feel we can work on that burst to make it better
14:33 Tofu1222: if we can make it better then i would like to keep this =w=
14:33 juankristal: alright
14:34 juankristal: try something like this: http://puu.sh/x0GRS/b45b2a13db.png
14:35 juankristal: that way you have 1/8 more space in between the jack on the 4th column and the last note before that 4th column
14:35 juankristal: makes it easier to read and to play overall, at least in my opinion
14:36 juankristal: after that you could also move 00:55:095 (55095|3) - this one one spot to the left so you dont have the player to get confused after that minijack in the 4th column
14:37 Tofu1222: yep this looks really better
14:37 Tofu1222: yea
14:37 Tofu1222: fixed owo
14:37 juankristal: owob
14:38 juankristal: alright so lets see the rest
14:40 Tofu1222: yep
14:40 Tofu1222: i was adjusting hitsound
14:43 juankristal: the hitsounds lag my pc quite hard
14:43 juankristal: its funny
14:44 Tofu1222: really? ;w;
14:44 juankristal: yeah, my pc is really old
14:44 juankristal: so when I toggle the hitsounds on it lags
14:44 juankristal: xD
14:44 Tofu1222: rip ;w;
14:44 juankristal: so about the map again
14:44 juankristal: I am curious of this 00:28:004 (28004|1,28185|2,28367|1,28549|2,28731|1,28913|2,29095|1,29276|2) -
14:44 juankristal: is it intended?
14:45 Tofu1222: for the pitch, cuz the piano repeated for G #G G #G kinda like that
14:45 Tofu1222: is that fitting?
14:46 juankristal: oooo
14:46 juankristal: storyboard hitsounds
14:46 juankristal: okey
14:46 juankristal: I didnt notice that
14:47 juankristal: the only thing that kinda bugs me a bit about that is 00:29:095 (29095|1) - this one
14:47 juankristal: it extends the trill a bit longer than the song so its a bit unintuitive
14:47 juankristal: but I guess its alright
14:47 juankristal: it requires a lot of stuff to change it I think and its not really worth it
14:48 Tofu1222: oh i see
14:51 juankristal: mmh
14:51 juankristal: map is pretty fine tbh
14:51 juankristal: 00:55:822 (55822|1,56004|2) - about this ones
14:51 juankristal: I think this sort of jack 00:55:640 (55640|1,55822|1) - is sutiable for voice so if thats the case then the next one should be 00:56:004 (56004|2,56185|3) - those
14:51 juankristal: if that makes sense
14:51 juankristal: instead of this ones00:55:822 (55822|2,56004|2) -
14:52 Tofu1222: can u screenshot?
14:52 Tofu1222: i kinda confused qwq
14:53 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754041 like this
14:53 juankristal: so you have this 00:55:640 (55640|3,55822|3) - which follows the "tatto" voice
14:54 juankristal: and 00:56:004 (56004|1,56185|1) - thats the kimi
14:54 Tofu1222: yea
14:55 juankristal: unless your focus is on something else that I might not be seeing
14:55 Tofu1222: nice idea =w=
14:56 Tofu1222: i focus on pitch for this whole kiai, the pitch for the vocal, which can be represented by the piano HS
14:57 Tofu1222: i guess this seems obvious owo
14:57 juankristal: yeah
14:57 juankristal: but maybe the idea was to follow the pitch of the piano :thinking:
14:58 Tofu1222: the piano hitsound is actually the vocal XD
14:58 juankristal: xD
15:01 Tofu1222: oh i should also change this part right 01:07:276 -
15:01 Tofu1222: it is the same thing as before
15:01 juankristal: yup
15:01 juankristal: I was looking at it actualyl
15:05 juankristal: could you update it?
15:05 juankristal: I feel a bit lost already XD
15:06 Tofu1222: yea
15:06 Tofu1222: but i kinda changed a lot about kiai for the pitch just now
15:07 juankristal:

15:07 Tofu1222: i was kinda want to follow more tightly about pitch, but that will create some anchors qwq
15:07 juankristal: anchors arent necesarily bad
15:08 Tofu1222: i have to restart to update qwq
15:08 juankristal: wow
15:10 Tofu1222: updated
15:11 juankristal: owob
15:11 Tofu1222: i changed the first half of kiai part, the second one, if u approved the first half, can follow that
15:13 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754204
15:13 juankristal: 00:58:731 -
15:13 juankristal: I think that is probably better
15:13 juankristal: first 2 jacks are for the "ega" "o o"
15:13 juankristal: or whatever is that
15:14 juankristal: 00:59:640 - and for this one I dont really think it deserves such long anchor
15:14 juankristal: because there is no voice in there
15:14 Tofu1222: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754213
15:14 Tofu1222: what i do is this
15:15 juankristal: mmh
15:15 Tofu1222: like four F
15:15 juankristal: I understand why is it like that but I think the sound is not as predominant as it is on here for example01:00:913 (60913|2,61095|2,61276|2,61458|2,61640|2) -
15:15 Tofu1222: so put on same column ;w;
15:16 juankristal: its similar to this 00:56:367 (56367|3,56549|0,56731|3,56913|0) -
15:16 juankristal: the sound is not as predominant so its not needed to use it as anchors
15:17 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754238 something kinda similar in here
15:19 Tofu1222: yep
15:19 Tofu1222: i fixed that in your way
15:19 Tofu1222: its better
15:19 Tofu1222: owo
15:19 Tofu1222: 01:00:913 (60913|2,61095|2,61276|2,61458|2,61640|2) - tho i kinda think that this anchor is understandable?
15:20 juankristal: yes
15:20 juankristal: that anchor is fine
15:20 juankristal: it works well as a transition as well
15:21 juankristal: its harder to understand if you play without hitsounds but if you play with them is quite easy to notice it before it takes place
15:21 Tofu1222: i agree lol
15:22 juankristal: for the second part of the kiai tho
15:22 juankristal: I think its cool to have like a mixed theme
15:22 juankristal: so it doesnt have to be exactly the same thing
15:23 Tofu1222: oh?
15:23 juankristal: stuff like 01:07:276 (67276|3,67458|3) -
15:23 juankristal: 01:07:640 (67640|2,67822|1) -
15:23 juankristal: should stay consistent tho
15:23 juankristal: what I mean is, those vocal jacks should stay consistent
15:23 juankristal: but you can play around the patterns a bit
15:23 Tofu1222: oh i see owo
15:23 juankristal: doesnt have to be replicated as the first part completely
15:24 juankristal: you could take a different focus on parts like 01:08:004 - up to 01:08:913 -
15:24 juankristal: something that focus maybe on the bass or maybe more to the kicks
15:24 juankristal: you can also as well just keep it vocal anyways, but those are things you could do
15:25 juankristal: since it transitioned already you have the opportunity to make a change on that type but once you do it you have to remain it consistent up until the end of the kiai/next transition
15:27 Tofu1222: i should first make a foundation of the vocal i guess
15:29 juankristal: up to you
15:29 Tofu1222: yep i have kinda finished
15:30 juankristal: alright
15:30 juankristal: dunno how much time it takes to you for update stuff
15:30 juankristal: if you want we can move to the other diffs first
15:30 juankristal: 01:24:549 (84549|1,84731|2,84731|0,84913|1,85095|2,85095|0,85276|1,85458|0,85458|2,85640|1,85822|0,85822|2) - not a fan of this one in the hardest diff either
15:32 Tofu1222: changed
15:32 Tofu1222: yea lets go to normal owo
15:34 juankristal: mmmh
15:34 juankristal: the normal is actually hard
15:34 juankristal: hah
15:35 Tofu1222: yea
15:35 juankristal: wait
15:35 juankristal: 00:06:428 (6428|0,6670|1) -
15:35 juankristal: why are those snaps different than easy
15:35 juankristal: 00:12:276 (12276|3,12549|2) - same here
15:37 Tofu1222: what do u think of them
15:37 Tofu1222: i guess they should all be 1/3?
15:37 juankristal: i mean
15:37 juankristal: yeah
15:37 juankristal: snap them correctly in the normal
15:37 Tofu1222: k
15:37 juankristal: for the easy we will see, if it turns out to be too hard we will simplify it
15:40 juankristal: mmmh
15:40 juankristal: we probably have to quite some balance for the spread
15:40 Tofu1222: yea
15:41 Tofu1222: for highest diff there seems be also some problem about that
15:41 Tofu1222: and have to adjust hitsound again
15:41 juankristal: hardest diff gap with hard is fine I think
15:41 juankristal: main issue is normal with easy
15:41 juankristal: and normal with hard being almost the same difficulty
15:42 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0JJD/55f3da0548.osu
15:42 juankristal: wait
15:42 juankristal: thats the easy
15:42 juankristal: I wanted to send the normal
15:42 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0JKH/5456653e4a.osu
15:42 juankristal: so, there is the normal where I made a few changes that I think would balance the spread a little bit
15:42 juankristal: so tell me what you think about it
15:42 Tofu1222: oh thanks! owo
15:42 juankristal: I changed from here 00:24:367 -
15:43 juankristal: up until here 00:36:004 -
15:43 juankristal: but that should give you an idea of what I think we should be following
15:43 juankristal: in order to balance the spread out
15:45 Tofu1222: yea i see your idea
15:46 Tofu1222: but whenever normal is nerfed, hard should be nerfed too right?
15:46 juankristal: mmh, maybe
15:46 juankristal: depends on how much we nerf the normal
15:46 Tofu1222: ok
15:49 juankristal: 00:49:276 -
15:49 juankristal: this pattern is weird
15:49 juankristal: like, what does it follow'
15:50 Tofu1222: ahh, that one
15:50 Tofu1222: so00:50:004 (50004|1,50367|2) -
15:50 Tofu1222: these two for the trumpet
15:50 Tofu1222: 00:49:822 (49822|0,50185|3) -
15:50 Tofu1222: these two
15:51 Tofu1222: for the sound that is same as 00:48:185 (48185|2,48549|3) - this kind
15:52 juankristal: mmmh
15:52 juankristal: I was thinking on something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754491
15:53 juankristal: like, I get what you follow but it doesnt feel intuitive
15:53 juankristal: thats because you were using 1/2 LNs during the previous section all the way
15:53 juankristal: and then everything turns into 1/2 LNs but the trumpet arent really that impactful I think
15:53 juankristal: but thats because the voice in the middle
15:53 juankristal: so people would get confused with the voice and the trumpet so then they will find that pattern weird to understand
15:54 juankristal: so the way I pictured its so you emphasys the trumpets so its harder to get lost on it
15:55 Tofu1222: yep
15:55 Tofu1222: fixed owo
15:57 juankristal: so now the kiai
16:02 juankristal: alright
16:02 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0KDV/a0498bce0c.osu
16:03 juankristal: that contains an edited version of the kiai with again, same way like the last time
16:03 Tofu1222: gosh i nerfed to 1.86*
16:03 Tofu1222:

16:03 juankristal: I put it down to 2,02

16:03 juankristal: we were both doing the same thing xD
16:04 juankristal: although, you should probably not pay much attention to star rating
16:04 juankristal: its usually a bad indicator for sprads
16:04 juankristal: *spreads
16:07 Tofu1222: ahh, maybe let me update it and u take a look?
16:08 juankristal: sounds fair
16:14 Tofu1222: updated
16:15 juankristal: so, the problem with your nerf is
16:16 juankristal: that the gap on hard and normal now is a bit too big xD
16:16 Tofu1222: i know XD. I wanna kind of nerfing hard too but yea, I will inform emiria, cuz gap between hard and manga isnt that big
16:17 Tofu1222: hard can be like 2.5-2.7
16:17 Tofu1222: XD
16:17 juankristal: I like what you did in the kiai tho
16:17 juankristal: its a big gap on easy for the kiai but welp
16:18 juankristal: not that big of a deal
16:18 juankristal: so, lets do it this way
16:18 juankristal: you talk with emiria about this spread issue and check the edited version I sent to you
16:18 juankristal: once you figure out what you want to do with the normal and fixed stuff with emilia call me back and I will place the piano icon
16:19 juankristal: and once you get confirmation from a STD bn then we rank it
16:19 juankristal: sounds fine?
16:19 Tofu1222: yep
16:19 Tofu1222: nice XD
16:19 Tofu1222: btw can u send me again?
16:19 juankristal: sure
16:19 Tofu1222: I restarted
16:19 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0KDV/a0498bce0c.osu
16:20 Tofu1222: thanks!
16:20 Tofu1222: post this on the thread?
16:20 juankristal: yeah, I will
16:20 Tofu1222: our recore
16:20 Tofu1222: ok
16:20 Tofu1222: XD
16:20 juankristal: also, its probably better for you to contact a tier 2 std bn
16:20 juankristal: since I cant place hearts on STD hybrids
16:20 juankristal: I can only place bubbles
16:20 juankristal: and a tier 1 cant place hearts on it either
16:20 Tofu1222: that's true
16:21 juankristal: so pick carefuly your bn x)
16:21 Tofu1222: I have contacted chaoslitz to check the std diff
16:21 juankristal: oh thats goodf

Call me back once you sorted stuff out with Emiria so we do a final re-check. Good luck!

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[Emiria] 2017-08-04T04:39:50+00:00

juankristal wrote:
Some IRC before setting a piano icon
14:12 Tofu1222: Hi juan 'w')/
14:13 Tofu1222: first i really wanna thank you for pushing my mapset to beatmap spotlight. I am so excited XD
14:24 Tofu1222: and btw what's your opinion on my request? =w=
14:27 juankristal: heyo
14:27 juankristal: and you are welcome, that map was pretty fun so you deserve it
14:28 juankristal: about your map I have seen the hardest difficulty on it
14:28 juankristal: and besides minor improvements that could be done about it I am kinda bothered by the main burst on it
14:28 juankristal: I feel it doesnt really fit the theme of the map so we will likely have to work on it
14:29 Tofu1222: do u mean the one before the kiai?
14:30 Tofu1222: i remember it is true that i put one really annoying burst on that part, which was done on my own. But I wasnt sure that it fitted. actually i dont mind to delete it and just make it to LNs.
14:30 juankristal: lemme see it again
14:31 Tofu1222: ok
14:31 juankristal: 00:54:685 (54685|2,54822|2,54913|2) - that would be the main thing
14:32 Tofu1222: oh yea
14:32 juankristal: spread-wise it is a bit of a complicated thing as well given the hard is just LNs instead
14:32 juankristal: so in my opinion the patterns have to be as easy as possible if it uses 1/8s
14:32 Tofu1222: actually i can get rid of this whole burst and replace them with LNs too
14:32 Tofu1222: i used to do that
14:33 Tofu1222: but actually i was thinking about making some difference
14:33 juankristal: thats up to you really, I feel we can work on that burst to make it better
14:33 Tofu1222: if we can make it better then i would like to keep this =w=
14:33 juankristal: alright
14:34 juankristal: try something like this: http://puu.sh/x0GRS/b45b2a13db.png
14:35 juankristal: that way you have 1/8 more space in between the jack on the 4th column and the last note before that 4th column
14:35 juankristal: makes it easier to read and to play overall, at least in my opinion
14:36 juankristal: after that you could also move 00:55:095 (55095|3) - this one one spot to the left so you dont have the player to get confused after that minijack in the 4th column
14:37 Tofu1222: yep this looks really better
14:37 Tofu1222: yea
14:37 Tofu1222: fixed owo
14:37 juankristal: owob
14:38 juankristal: alright so lets see the rest
14:40 Tofu1222: yep
14:40 Tofu1222: i was adjusting hitsound
14:43 juankristal: the hitsounds lag my pc quite hard
14:43 juankristal: its funny
14:44 Tofu1222: really? ;w;
14:44 juankristal: yeah, my pc is really old
14:44 juankristal: so when I toggle the hitsounds on it lags
14:44 juankristal: xD
14:44 Tofu1222: rip ;w;
14:44 juankristal: so about the map again
14:44 juankristal: I am curious of this 00:28:004 (28004|1,28185|2,28367|1,28549|2,28731|1,28913|2,29095|1,29276|2) -
14:44 juankristal: is it intended?
14:45 Tofu1222: for the pitch, cuz the piano repeated for G #G G #G kinda like that
14:45 Tofu1222: is that fitting?
14:46 juankristal: oooo
14:46 juankristal: storyboard hitsounds
14:46 juankristal: okey
14:46 juankristal: I didnt notice that
14:47 juankristal: the only thing that kinda bugs me a bit about that is 00:29:095 (29095|1) - this one
14:47 juankristal: it extends the trill a bit longer than the song so its a bit unintuitive
14:47 juankristal: but I guess its alright
14:47 juankristal: it requires a lot of stuff to change it I think and its not really worth it
14:48 Tofu1222: oh i see
14:51 juankristal: mmh
14:51 juankristal: map is pretty fine tbh
14:51 juankristal: 00:55:822 (55822|1,56004|2) - about this ones
14:51 juankristal: I think this sort of jack 00:55:640 (55640|1,55822|1) - is sutiable for voice so if thats the case then the next one should be 00:56:004 (56004|2,56185|3) - those
14:51 juankristal: if that makes sense
14:51 juankristal: instead of this ones00:55:822 (55822|2,56004|2) -
14:52 Tofu1222: can u screenshot?
14:52 Tofu1222: i kinda confused qwq
14:53 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754041 like this
14:53 juankristal: so you have this 00:55:640 (55640|3,55822|3) - which follows the "tatto" voice
14:54 juankristal: and 00:56:004 (56004|1,56185|1) - thats the kimi
14:54 Tofu1222: yea
14:55 juankristal: unless your focus is on something else that I might not be seeing
14:55 Tofu1222: nice idea =w=
14:56 Tofu1222: i focus on pitch for this whole kiai, the pitch for the vocal, which can be represented by the piano HS
14:57 Tofu1222: i guess this seems obvious owo
14:57 juankristal: yeah
14:57 juankristal: but maybe the idea was to follow the pitch of the piano :thinking:
14:58 Tofu1222: the piano hitsound is actually the vocal XD
14:58 juankristal: xD
15:01 Tofu1222: oh i should also change this part right 01:07:276 -
15:01 Tofu1222: it is the same thing as before
15:01 juankristal: yup
15:01 juankristal: I was looking at it actualyl
15:05 juankristal: could you update it?
15:05 juankristal: I feel a bit lost already XD
15:06 Tofu1222: yea
15:06 Tofu1222: but i kinda changed a lot about kiai for the pitch just now
15:07 juankristal:
15:07 Tofu1222: i was kinda want to follow more tightly about pitch, but that will create some anchors qwq
15:07 juankristal: anchors arent necesarily bad
15:08 Tofu1222: i have to restart to update qwq
15:08 juankristal: wow
15:10 Tofu1222: updated
15:11 juankristal: owob
15:11 Tofu1222: i changed the first half of kiai part, the second one, if u approved the first half, can follow that
15:13 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754204
15:13 juankristal: 00:58:731 -
15:13 juankristal: I think that is probably better
15:13 juankristal: first 2 jacks are for the "ega" "o o"
15:13 juankristal: or whatever is that
15:14 juankristal: 00:59:640 - and for this one I dont really think it deserves such long anchor
15:14 juankristal: because there is no voice in there
15:14 Tofu1222: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754213
15:14 Tofu1222: what i do is this
15:15 juankristal: mmh
15:15 Tofu1222: like four F
15:15 juankristal: I understand why is it like that but I think the sound is not as predominant as it is on here for example01:00:913 (60913|2,61095|2,61276|2,61458|2,61640|2) -
15:15 Tofu1222: so put on same column ;w;
15:16 juankristal: its similar to this 00:56:367 (56367|3,56549|0,56731|3,56913|0) -
15:16 juankristal: the sound is not as predominant so its not needed to use it as anchors
15:17 juankristal: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754238 something kinda similar in here
15:19 Tofu1222: yep
15:19 Tofu1222: i fixed that in your way
15:19 Tofu1222: its better
15:19 Tofu1222: owo
15:19 Tofu1222: 01:00:913 (60913|2,61095|2,61276|2,61458|2,61640|2) - tho i kinda think that this anchor is understandable?
15:20 juankristal: yes
15:20 juankristal: that anchor is fine
15:20 juankristal: it works well as a transition as well
15:21 juankristal: its harder to understand if you play without hitsounds but if you play with them is quite easy to notice it before it takes place
15:21 Tofu1222: i agree lol
15:22 juankristal: for the second part of the kiai tho
15:22 juankristal: I think its cool to have like a mixed theme
15:22 juankristal: so it doesnt have to be exactly the same thing
15:23 Tofu1222: oh?
15:23 juankristal: stuff like 01:07:276 (67276|3,67458|3) -
15:23 juankristal: 01:07:640 (67640|2,67822|1) -
15:23 juankristal: should stay consistent tho
15:23 juankristal: what I mean is, those vocal jacks should stay consistent
15:23 juankristal: but you can play around the patterns a bit
15:23 Tofu1222: oh i see owo
15:23 juankristal: doesnt have to be replicated as the first part completely
15:24 juankristal: you could take a different focus on parts like 01:08:004 - up to 01:08:913 -
15:24 juankristal: something that focus maybe on the bass or maybe more to the kicks
15:24 juankristal: you can also as well just keep it vocal anyways, but those are things you could do
15:25 juankristal: since it transitioned already you have the opportunity to make a change on that type but once you do it you have to remain it consistent up until the end of the kiai/next transition
15:27 Tofu1222: i should first make a foundation of the vocal i guess
15:29 juankristal: up to you
15:29 Tofu1222: yep i have kinda finished
15:30 juankristal: alright
15:30 juankristal: dunno how much time it takes to you for update stuff
15:30 juankristal: if you want we can move to the other diffs first
15:30 juankristal: 01:24:549 (84549|1,84731|2,84731|0,84913|1,85095|2,85095|0,85276|1,85458|0,85458|2,85640|1,85822|0,85822|2) - not a fan of this one in the hardest diff either
15:32 Tofu1222: changed
15:32 Tofu1222: yea lets go to normal owo
15:34 juankristal: mmmh
15:34 juankristal: the normal is actually hard
15:34 juankristal: hah
15:35 Tofu1222: yea
15:35 juankristal: wait
15:35 juankristal: 00:06:428 (6428|0,6670|1) -
15:35 juankristal: why are those snaps different than easy
15:35 juankristal: 00:12:276 (12276|3,12549|2) - same here
15:37 Tofu1222: what do u think of them
15:37 Tofu1222: i guess they should all be 1/3?
15:37 juankristal: i mean
15:37 juankristal: yeah
15:37 juankristal: snap them correctly in the normal
15:37 Tofu1222: k
15:37 juankristal: for the easy we will see, if it turns out to be too hard we will simplify it
15:40 juankristal: mmmh
15:40 juankristal: we probably have to quite some balance for the spread
15:40 Tofu1222: yea
15:41 Tofu1222: for highest diff there seems be also some problem about that
15:41 Tofu1222: and have to adjust hitsound again
15:41 juankristal: hardest diff gap with hard is fine I think
15:41 juankristal: main issue is normal with easy
15:41 juankristal: and normal with hard being almost the same difficulty
15:42 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0JJD/55f3da0548.osu
15:42 juankristal: wait
15:42 juankristal: thats the easy
15:42 juankristal: I wanted to send the normal
15:42 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0JKH/5456653e4a.osu
15:42 juankristal: so, there is the normal where I made a few changes that I think would balance the spread a little bit
15:42 juankristal: so tell me what you think about it
15:42 Tofu1222: oh thanks! owo
15:42 juankristal: I changed from here 00:24:367 -
15:43 juankristal: up until here 00:36:004 -
15:43 juankristal: but that should give you an idea of what I think we should be following
15:43 juankristal: in order to balance the spread out
15:45 Tofu1222: yea i see your idea
15:46 Tofu1222: but whenever normal is nerfed, hard should be nerfed too right?
15:46 juankristal: mmh, maybe
15:46 juankristal: depends on how much we nerf the normal
15:46 Tofu1222: ok
15:49 juankristal: 00:49:276 -
15:49 juankristal: this pattern is weird
15:49 juankristal: like, what does it follow'
15:50 Tofu1222: ahh, that one
15:50 Tofu1222: so00:50:004 (50004|1,50367|2) -
15:50 Tofu1222: these two for the trumpet
15:50 Tofu1222: 00:49:822 (49822|0,50185|3) -
15:50 Tofu1222: these two
15:51 Tofu1222: for the sound that is same as 00:48:185 (48185|2,48549|3) - this kind
15:52 juankristal: mmmh
15:52 juankristal: I was thinking on something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8754491
15:53 juankristal: like, I get what you follow but it doesnt feel intuitive
15:53 juankristal: thats because you were using 1/2 LNs during the previous section all the way
15:53 juankristal: and then everything turns into 1/2 LNs but the trumpet arent really that impactful I think
15:53 juankristal: but thats because the voice in the middle
15:53 juankristal: so people would get confused with the voice and the trumpet so then they will find that pattern weird to understand
15:54 juankristal: so the way I pictured its so you emphasys the trumpets so its harder to get lost on it
15:55 Tofu1222: yep
15:55 Tofu1222: fixed owo
15:57 juankristal: so now the kiai
16:02 juankristal: alright
16:02 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0KDV/a0498bce0c.osu
16:03 juankristal: that contains an edited version of the kiai with again, same way like the last time
16:03 Tofu1222: gosh i nerfed to 1.86*
16:03 Tofu1222:
16:03 juankristal: I put it down to 2,02
16:03 juankristal: we were both doing the same thing xD
16:04 juankristal: although, you should probably not pay much attention to star rating
16:04 juankristal: its usually a bad indicator for sprads
16:04 juankristal: *spreads
16:07 Tofu1222: ahh, maybe let me update it and u take a look?
16:08 juankristal: sounds fair
16:14 Tofu1222: updated
16:15 juankristal: so, the problem with your nerf is
16:16 juankristal: that the gap on hard and normal now is a bit too big xD
16:16 Tofu1222: i know XD. I wanna kind of nerfing hard too but yea, I will inform emiria, cuz gap between hard and manga isnt that big
16:17 Tofu1222: hard can be like 2.5-2.7
16:17 Tofu1222: XD
16:17 juankristal: I like what you did in the kiai tho
16:17 juankristal: its a big gap on easy for the kiai but welp
16:18 juankristal: not that big of a deal
16:18 juankristal: so, lets do it this way
16:18 juankristal: you talk with emiria about this spread issue and check the edited version I sent to you
16:18 juankristal: once you figure out what you want to do with the normal and fixed stuff with emilia call me back and I will place the piano icon
16:19 juankristal: and once you get confirmation from a STD bn then we rank it
16:19 juankristal: sounds fine?
16:19 Tofu1222: yep
16:19 Tofu1222: nice XD
16:19 Tofu1222: btw can u send me again?
16:19 juankristal: sure
16:19 Tofu1222: I restarted
16:19 juankristal: http://puu.sh/x0KDV/a0498bce0c.osu
16:20 Tofu1222: thanks!
16:20 Tofu1222: post this on the thread?
16:20 juankristal: yeah, I will
16:20 Tofu1222: our recore
16:20 Tofu1222: ok
16:20 Tofu1222: XD
16:20 juankristal: also, its probably better for you to contact a tier 2 std bn
16:20 juankristal: since I cant place hearts on STD hybrids
16:20 juankristal: I can only place bubbles
16:20 juankristal: and a tier 1 cant place hearts on it either
16:20 Tofu1222: that's true
16:21 juankristal: so pick carefuly your bn x)
16:21 Tofu1222: I have contacted chaoslitz to check the std diff
16:21 juankristal: oh thats goodf

Call me back once you sorted stuff out with Emiria so we do a final re-check. Good luck!

idont want to change my diff i think it is just ok for rank. i regard as a final diff not a hard diff so i dont want to change it

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juankristal 2017-08-04T05:03:49+00:00

Mmmh, I just checked it again and the spread is not that bad up until the kiai section, its mostly there where changes will likely have to happen. In any case the kiai section needs a decent amount of work so I guess we will see after the modding for its done.

I will talk with Tofu about potentially buffing the NM as much as we can in order to make the spread reasonable but keep in mind you will also need some changes on your difficulty if you want to push it for rank. If you find it just ok for rank is fine and if you regard it as a final diff and not a hard is also fine but thats just not how it works. Sadly I have to be the one that thinks such things so, at the end, some changes will be unavoidable.

In any case, we will see once I get to mod your difficulty during the rest of the week. Might turn out that after some changes the spreads issues just fixes themselves.

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juankristal 2017-08-09T19:26:27+00:00

Emiria's Hard

00:12:458 (12458|1,12458|3) - That should be on 1/3 as it is following the drum just as you did in this 00:12:231 (12231|0) - note. Plus the last one would also need to be on 1/3. Overall I just think a 1/3 stream there its just better.

00:33:095 (33095|3,33095|1,33276|2,33458|1,33458|3,33640|2,33822|3,33822|1,34004|2,34185|1,34185|3,34367|2) - Not a fan of this one really. I would move 00:33:458 (33458|1) - this one to the right, 00:33:640 (33640|2) - this one to the left and do a ctrl+g on this 00:33:822 (33822|3,34004|2,34185|3,34367|2) - . This way you have 1/2 jacks for the voice when it repeats the vocal letter its metioning (ma-tta, mu-su or whatever it says) but you also keep that sort of trill transition into the next part.

00:52:913 (52913|1,53095|0) - That would probably need a ctrl+g too since the piano pitch is going back and fort so its cool to have that trill.

00:55:822 (55822|1,56004|1,56185|1,56367|1) - I dont really like this anchor and the reason is because it extends itself a bit too long. Sure, you are following the drums over there (and I will personally anchor the vocals itself but I mean, those are just styles) but I think this last one 00:56:367 (56367|1) - has more emphasys on the piano rather than the drum so it should not be anchored too. My suggestion would be doing 00:56:367 (56367|1,56549|2) - ctrl+h on this one to cover it.

For that previous one I would also move 00:56:731 (56731|0) - this one to column 3 to avoid a long trill on the left hand (00:56:549 (56549|1,56731|0,56913|1,57095|0,57276|1,57458|0) - )

00:59:276 (59276|2) - Same thing goes here, for both things actually. 00:59:640 (59640|0) - This would be the note that has be moved to column 4.

00:58:822 (58822|1) - For this note in particular I am a bit unsure. The drum tick is noticeable but at a level that I think will just confuse more players rather than them intuitively hit them hearing the drum over there. The pattern used there is also quiet easy to get lost on it so the options are either delete that note completely (which is what I think its best) or move 00:58:913 (58913|0) - this one to the 4th column and this 00:59:095 (59095|2) - one to the 1st column.

01:01:458 (61458|2,61640|2,61822|2,62004|2,62185|2) - I dont think the sound here is that important to anchor it that long. If there is a strong sound to anchor would be the one that starts over here 01:00:913 - . Since I assume you use the doubles here to follow the vocal emphasys I will print a picture here for you to see one of the options you can try:

The doubles would follow the vocals still density wise but would also kinda follow them without hurting the player forcing an anchor thats pretty unpredictable.
That plus the part after it being reworked a bit in order for it to play smoother and avoid unnecesary long one handed trills.

01:05:458 (65458|0) - I think here its a straight back and fort so having this on column 4 makes more sense. This way you keep the 13-24 splithandded jumptrill. It might be a bit too hard for a hard but well, we will see what we do.

01:06:185 (66185|3,66276|2,66367|3,66458|2,66549|3) - This one is a hard one for me to point out, because other than removing the blue ticked notes I dont really see any other way to solve the issue. Of course, that right handed trill on 1/4s is a bit too much for a hard plus the sound isnt as noticeable to follow either. Combine that with the LNs that you are using there (which I want you to keep, because they are pretty nice) I think its better to save the LN transition rather than the 1/4 pattern. So moving 01:06:367 (66367|3) - this to left and then removing the 1/4s should be the best move.

01:06:549 (66549|1,66731|1,66913|1) - Not sure why this anchor is following, 01:06:731 (66731|1) - just moving this one to the right to solve that.

01:09:822 - Try something like this:

Same way I pointed somewhere before, following the vocal letters in order to create 1/2 jacks and avoiding anchors that are kinda weird to follow. 01:11:276 (71276|0) - Probably move this one to 4 too.

01:13:095 (73095|0,73276|0,73458|0,73640|0,73822|0) - The same thing previously pointed (for the similar section) out should work out for this one, at least as a base structure.

01:18:367 (78367|1,78549|0,78640|1,78731|0) - Ctrl+h and adjust to avoid the 3 note anchor.

01:20:367 - Not a fan of this being that dense but I guess something like this would balance it out a bit better:

01:26:822 (86822|1,86913|1) - This minijack besides making or not sense is very missleading for this map. Its the only time in the whole map you use a 1/4 minijack and it doesnt sound as strong to even justify it. I dont think it should even be a 1/4 beat over there but if you want to keep it you have to 01:26:913 (86913|2,86913|1) - ctrl+h this and delete 01:26:913 (86913|1) - this one.

Overall this diff is too dense for what it should be, has a big amount of triples that arent that impactful for me to be triples but lets just pretend thats not that big of an issue. Check the mod an tell me what you think about it and if needed I will do the last revision with tofu on IRC one of this days.

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