sjoy wrote:

[Hard]
00:16:241 add a note? Not necessary.
00:23:506 (2) - so far with 00:23:155 (1) - I have no idea what you're asking for. Please clarify.
00:26:788 (1) - change it to 1/2 slider I think it's fine.
01:04:756 (2,3) - I suggest 2 1/2 slider rhythm I think both of them are fine.
01:09:913 (6) - NC
01:17:413 (6) - ^
01:27:256 (2,3) - I suggest 2 1/2 slider rhythm I think it's fine.
01:28:897 (6) - NC
01:33:350 add a tnoe Added.
02:39:913 (6) - NC
02:55:147 (6) - NC
02:58:663 (6) - ^
03:02:413 (7) - ^ Give me a reason why I should add those NCs. Most of your suggestions are subjective.

[sekai] wrote:

00:16:241 add a note
00:23:506 (2) - so far 00:23:155
00:26:788 (1) - ^
01:04:756 (2,3) - 1/2 slider rhythm
01:09:913 (6) - NC
01:17:413 (6) - ^
01:27:256 (2,3) - I suggest 2 1/2 slider rhythm
01:28:897 (6) - NC
01:33:350 add a note
02:39:913 (6) - NC
02:55:147 (6) - remove this NC
02:58:663 (6) - ^
03:02:413 (7) - ^

Darcsol wrote:

[sekai] wrote:

00:16:241 add a note
00:23:506 (2) - so far 00:23:155
00:26:788 (1) - ^
01:04:756 (2,3) - 1/2 slider rhythm
01:09:913 (6) - NC
01:17:413 (6) - ^
01:27:256 (2,3) - I suggest 2 1/2 slider rhythm
01:28:897 (6) - NC
01:33:350 add a note
02:39:913 (6) - NC
02:55:147 (6) - remove this NC
02:58:663 (6) - ^
03:02:413 (7) - ^

I'm sorry, I don't know which diff to apply your mod. And this map is not complete, so it's subject to change. You can re-mod when I'm done with the map.

Patchouli Desu wrote:

Looking at your 2 ranked maps (having hard as the highest) I assume you'd appreciate a guest difficulty on the insane level?

Short sample of what I had in mind: http://puu.sh/jgWVl/6cf03b21e9.osu

qzy wrote:

Hard:

SPOILER

• 01:47:413 (5,6,7,8) - These notes don't fit quite as well as the previous ones, such as 00:21:163 (5,6,7,8) - which fit perfectly. Try this:
  01:51:163 (5,6) - Same ^ Done a different fix instead.

Mortem wrote:

General:
• Find a better BG for Easy diff. Or at least edit it to 16:9 resolution. BG is already modified for 16:9 resolutions. It has black bars to make it fit. I'll consider finding an alternative BG for it.

Hard:
• 00:29:600 (8,9) - Replace it with slider, it will fit better to "muya". Fixed.
• 01:34:288 (1) - Extend this slider to 01:38:038 - . You mean spinner. I think it's fine. Extending it would break consistency between diffs..
• 01:59:600 (8,9) - Same as first suggestion. Fixed.

NXTKitKat wrote:

Is this map really that old? XD How many remaps has it been through? A lot.

Add tag: project (touhou project) Added.

Normal

01:45:069 (1) - Just an idea. Stack this with the next slider Considered.

Hi Im Nathan wrote:

[Normal]
03:46:006 (2) - move this to (260y , 68x ) Those coordinates look off, but I made a different change instead.

[Hard]
00:51:163 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - i think this would look better if the DS was consistent It is except the last 3 objects?
01:45:069 (1) - remove NC here..? I think it's fine.
02:23:272 - add a note here ^
04:04:756 (3,4) - move (4) down a bit so it doesnt touch (3) Fixed.

Makyu wrote:

[General]

• Inconsistency in VieoOffset
{Hard} : -217
{lovhin's Easy} : -260 Fixed
{Normal} : -217

• Inconsistency in ComboColours
{ Hard} :
Combo1 : [192,192,192] Combo2 : [250,217,27] Combo3 : [255,79,132] Combo4 : [85,119,255]
{ Normal} :
Combo1 : [214,214,214] Combo2 : [255,234,85] Combo3 : [255,66,122] Combo4 : [85,119,255] Fixed

[Hard]

Playability

1. add a note here? 00:53:272 - 02:23:272 - 03:45:772 - you are mostly followint the vocals in this point but you didn't choose to add a note here, consistency. I think they're all fine.
2. this part here doesnt look good at all: 01:10:616 (7,8,9,10) - , I think this way the pattern looks AND plays better, you can obviusly take your time and do it better than me. Made different changes instead
3. 01:13:663 (6,7) - this looks and plays terrible, I think you should change it, there are plenty of ways to fix this issue, take your time and think wich one is better for this map! Fixed
4. add a note here 01:34:288 - 02:30:538 - 03:04:288 - 04:26:788 - its a high beat, do not ignore high beats like this pls, you can start the spinner right away I think they're all fine.

Presentation

1. In my opinion this 00:33:350 (6,7,1) - kind of patterns looks ugly, it can play good but they dosent look good while playing, My suggestion Considered, but I tend to avoid sharp-edged sliders.
2. You could make this 00:36:163 (4) - slider curvy, looking upwards to make more variety Added
3. What do you think about making ths 00:38:506 (2,3) - 01:15:303 (1,2) - a blanket? it looks better and the playability doesn't change at all Made a different change instead
4. What do you think about changing the shape of this sliders? because watching only straight and curvy sliders is pretty boring don't you think so?: 00:39:913 (4) - 00:18:350 (7) - 00:22:100 (7) - 00:25:850 (7) - 00:29:600 (8) - Some are intentional. Others I'll consider. Again, I tend to avoid sharp-edged sliders.
5. this pattern doesn't look bad at all 00:27:256 (2,3,4) - but what do you think about this, you can also improve more patterns like this, I will not point them all, check more carefuly your map and you will find out! Considered
6. the playabiliti of this is good 00:30:538 (1,2) - , but they way they look is not, what do you think about changin the shape of the slider a bit more?, you can obviusly make it look better! just take your time and do it good. I think it's fine currently.
7. you can imprive they way this pattern looks 00:58:663 (1,2,3,4) - , its another example. Will be improved
8. this pattern here 02:11:319 (7,1) - is good to play, but it looks too ugly, what do you think you improve it a bit more? I think it's fine.
9. you can make such a good patter with this 3 notes the way you put them 02:19:756 (3,4,5) - , what do you think about this? http://puu.sh/lTqLc/0477b983fd.jpg Made a different change instead
10. if you move 02:39:444 (5,6) - slider (6) a bit high looks way better, don't you think so? Fixed

Nazi

1. make this stacks better 01:19:756 (3,5) - 01:19:288 (1,4) -01:31:944 (5,8) - I think they're all fine.

Combos

1. Start a new combo in the following parts: 00:18:350 - 00:28:663 - 00:22:100 - 00:25:850 - 00:47:413 - 00:51:163 - 00:54:913 - 01:06:163 - 01:09:913 - 01:13:663 - 01:17:413 - 01:21:163 - 01:24:913 - 01:28:663 - 01:32:413 - 01:47:413 - 01:51:163 - 01:54:913 - 01:58:663 - 02:02:413 - 02:06:163 - 02:09:913 - 02:17:413 - 02:21:163 - 02:24:913 - 02:36:163 - 02:39:913 - 02:43:663 - 02:47:413 - 02:51:163 - 02:54:913 - 02:58:663 - 03:02:413 - 03:58:663 - 04:02:413 - 04:06:163 - 04:09:913 - 04:13:663 - 04:17:413 - 04:21:163 - 04:24:913 - I have to reject all of them. Explanation below.

Overall

1. You have some problems with the combos, as you can see I suggested you to change most of them, I am aware that some of your patters might get ruined because of my suggestion, but this is because you have such a bad way to make combos. In the other hand, the presentation of this map is kind poor, even though the playability of this map is really good, the way it is presented with poor patterns and bad overlaps makes this map looks bad even if its good (witch is a pretty good map). A fun map will often look good as well as play good.
   
   The combos are intentional. They are long and enhances the difficulty. You made a claim about my combos yet have no explanation. Please explain. I agree the presentation of the map is subpar and I'm aware of it. I'm still debating about my presentation style so it looks messier than I usually map. Again you made a claim yet have no explanation about it, so explain please.

[Normal]

Playability

1. The first thing I noticed in this diff, is that the spacing is too high for a casual player, think about reducing it. For example 00:14:600 (3,4) - this 1/2 notes should be more overlaped since the spacing will be confucing for a casual player and he might miss the combo because of this. This problem can be fixed by reducing it just a bit. I disagree. The "casual player" should have adequate experience to play this diff.

Nazi

1. you can improve the following blankets: 00:08:975 (3,1) - 00:10:850 (3,1) - 00:26:788 (1,2) -
2. You can improve the following stacks: 00:19:288 (1,4) - All fixed

Kradfiz wrote:

[Hard]

00:14:717 (4,5) - Switch of polarity, slightly hard to read. Maybe change these circles into a slider so that the player doesn't think the second one is on a blue tick? Might be okay because of the low AR though. I think it's fine.
00:37:217 (6,7) - Same thing here. ^
02:07:217 (6,7) - And here, but this is not as bad because the jump is more noticeable. ^
02:58:194 (5,6) - This jump seems somewhat uncalled for. The previous ones matched a change music intensity with the note, but this one does not seem to have anything special in the song here. The jump continues the pattern of its previous ones; it just looks more intimidating. Nonetheless, I'll make some tweaks.
03:11:788 (1,2,3) - Maybe consider less overlapping on these notes? The spacing between them is 1/4 but it might be easier to read if they are more spaced out. Considered
03:44:600 (5) - The あっあ～ん vocal is not mapped here, even though it was in the previous parts of the song. I feel like mapping it in would fit better with the song. Will be mapped

Ultima Fox wrote:

Normal

I didnt see anything really in particular, but you could add ncs in places like 01:09:913 (4) - and 01:32:413 (4) - etc Considered

Hard

00:47:413 (7) - NC
00:51:163 (6) - ^
Etc Considered

01:08:741 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern seems messy and weird, try cleaning it up maybe by blanketing 3 and putting (6) somewhere not on top of (4) I think it looks fine.
02:21:163 (6,7,8,9) - Mayb just make it a curve around instead of having it go back to 9 There's a small jump between 02:21:397 (7,8) .
02:51:163 (6,7,8) - Too big of a jump for hard, especailly with the map so far The jump is the same distance as the latter ones in the last kiai time.
02:58:663 (7,8,9) - Put equidistant Consistency will break.
03:44:600 (5,6,1) - ^

S A V E R Y wrote:

[Hard]
HP drain: 5 I think that's too low.

00:14:600 (3,4) - Change to slider. I think they're fine.

Others

02:07:100 (5,6)
04:40:850 (8,9)

00:30:069 (9,10,11,12) - Are you sure? I think this stream is unrankable in this diff...Why don't you change to repeating slider? I'm not aware the streams are unrankable. If you explain why they're unrankable, I'll change them, but the meantime they stay.

Others

00:43:663 (1,2,3,4)
01:03:350 (1,2,3,4)
02:00:069 (8,9,10,11)
02:13:663 (1,2,3,4)
02:33:350 (1,2,3,4)
03:55:850 (1,2,3,4)

Ayyri wrote:

The album should not be the source for this song. The source should be, "東方Project" since that is where the original song comes from. Please move, "東方河想狗蒼池" to the tags. Source replaced.

HydroCannon13 wrote:

[ Normal]

1. 00:58:663 (1) - flow from (4) is not very good, could change it so that it goes to the right Fixed
2. 00:30:069 (1) - why not have the player click on the end? strong sound
3. 02:00:069 (1) - ^ Considered
4. 03:46:006 (2) - overlaps with (7) before, doesn't look nice imo I think it's fine.
5. 03:46:475 (3,4,5) - maybe its a little too hard for a normal? you could change the first 2 circles to a slider There are numerous instances of this pattern before it. Why call this one out?

[ Hard]

1. hp and od are a little high for a hard diff, maybe put them both around 6? Considered, but this is a hard diff after all.
2. 00:14:717 (4,5) - I would make this a slider, I don't think anyone expects a 3/4 gap here, and making it a slider would help with that A number of modders mentioned these parts. I think they're fine, but that might change.
3. 00:37:217 (6,7) - ^
4. 04:40:850 (9,10) - ^
5. 00:33:350 (6,1) - overlaps slightly I think it's fine.
6. 01:27:959 (4,5) - ^ (should avoid overlaps like this as much as possible, makes for a cleaner map) I disagree. Overlaps add to the map's "aesthetics" if done properly.
7. 01:16:475 (3,4,5) - why such large spacing here? music doesn't get that much more intense here Spacing shortened
8. 02:36:866 (6,7) - same, spacing should be consistent here Both are fine.
9. 03:01:475 (3,4,5,6) - ^

1. Read this please (lovhin).
2. Irrelevant tags: tsundere Dog
3. *: If you look that asterisk, it means UNRANKABLE

Difficulty Peaks

Difficulty Peaks: Parts of the map that the objects make the diff harder as it is.



Difficulty Peaks

You MUST re-work on those parts of the diff

1. 00:47:413 (2,3,4,5) - *
2. 00:50:694 (2,3,4,5,6) - *
3. 01:27:256 (1,2,3,4,5) - *
4. 01:52:100 (3,4,1) - *
5. 02:34:288 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - *

1. Try to evade more than 3 single taps on a Easy/Normal diff. *
   
2. 00:13:663 (1,1) - Overlaps ARE NOT permitted on easy diffs. *
3. 00:24:913 (3) - Try to put emphasis on the white tick and not the red tick.
4. 00:28:663 (3) - ^.
5. 00:38:975 (3) - Missing note.
6. 00:47:413 (2,3,4,5) - Check at the "Difficulty Peaks" box please.
7. 01:13:194 (2,1) - Overlaps ARE NOT permitted on easy diffs. *
8. 01:23:038 (1) - Try to put emphasis on the white tick and not the red tick.
9. 01:25:381 (3) - ^.
10. 01:46:006 (2,3) - ^.
11. 02:19:288 (1,2) - Overlaps ARE NOT permitted on easy diffs. *
12. 02:21:163 (2,1) - ^.
13. 02:24:444 (2,3,1) - Stacking + Overlapping are totally awful for a easy diff, please change it, and keep in mind that the Overlapping and the Stacking are "prohibited" on the easy diffs from now on i WILL NOT mention nothing about Overlaps or Stacking problems, you need to find them by yourself. *
14. 02:28:663 (1) - Preferably i will start this spinner here: 02:30:538 (1) - .
15. 03:11:788 (1,2) - Try to put emphasis on the white tick and not the red tick, from now on i will not mention you any emphasis problem.
    
    Distance Snap Problems
    
    This just apply for Easy/Normal diffs
    
16. 02:16:475 (2,3) - 1,09 vs 1,00 *
17. 02:47:413 (2,3) - 1,00 vs 1,20 *
18. 03:50:225 (3,4) - 1,01 vs 1,05 *

Difficulty Peaks

Difficulty Peaks: Parts of the map that the objects make the diff harder as it is.



Difficulty Peaks

You MUST re-work on those parts of the diff

1. 01:52:100 (3,4,5) - *
2. 03:26:788 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - *
3. 03:30:538 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - *
4. 03:45:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - *

1. Try to evade more than 3 single taps on a Easy/Normal diff. *
   
2. 00:19:288 (1,3) - Random overlap.
3. 00:39:913 (3,5) - Another unnecesary and ^.
4. 00:41:788 (1,1) - ^.
5. 00:44:131 (2,1) - ^ from now on i will pass from every Overlap, dude with those random overlaps the map looks really bad... Don't be lazy and at least fix them or make better overlaps.
6. 00:47:413 (1) - Off-screen object. *
7. 01:20:225 (2,3) - Change pattern.
8. 01:28:663 (4) - Off-screen object. *
9. 01:52:100 (3,4,5) - Check at the "Difficulty Peaks" box please.
10. 02:00:069 (1) - Remove NC.
11. 02:35:225 (2,3) - Change pattern.
12. 04:07:569 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - More than 4 continuous objects are REALLY hard for beginner players.
13. 04:14:600 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^.
14. 04:22:100 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^.

• 00:31:006 (2,3) - 0,54 vs 0,99*

I will stop here because i'm really tired of the song ...

Zyl wrote:

~M4M~

General

1. Irrelevant tags: tsundere Dog Alice-Dere is a playing the word "tsundere", which is the theme of the song. "Dog" is part of the song's album 東方河想狗蒼池 translated as "River Vision Dog Blue Pond". Both tags are relevant.

Normal

Difficulty Peaks

Difficulty Peaks: Parts of the map that the objects make the diff harder as it is.



Difficulty Peaks

You MUST re-work on those parts of the diff

1. 01:52:100 (3,4,5) - * Removed a circle.
2. 03:26:788 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - *
3. 03:30:538 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - *
4. 03:45:538 (1,2,3,4,5) - * The rest are considered. Please tell me why they are unrankable. And not because the charts say so. It's petty to make such a claim. The charts are tools, not solutions.

Mod

1. Try to evade more than 3 single taps on a Easy/Normal diff. * Please show me why this is unrankable.
   
2. 00:19:288 (1,3) - Random overlap.
3. 00:39:913 (3,5) - Another unnecesary and ^.
4. 00:41:788 (1,1) - ^.
5. 00:44:131 (2,1) - ^ from now on i will pass from every Overlap, dude with those random overlaps the map looks really bad... Don't be lazy and at least fix them or make better overlaps. ...but why?
6. 00:47:413 (1) - Off-screen object. * It's within map guidelines, but sure.
7. 01:20:225 (2,3) - Change pattern. Be more specific.
8. 01:28:663 (4) - Off-screen object. * This is within map guidelines.
9. 01:52:100 (3,4,5) - Check at the "Difficulty Peaks" box please.
10. 02:00:069 (1) - Remove NC. I think it's fine.
11. 02:35:225 (2,3) - Change pattern. Again, be more specific.
12. 04:07:569 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - More than 4 continuous objects are REALLY hard for beginner players.
13. 04:14:600 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^.
14. 04:22:100 (6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - ^. This diff is not intended for beginner players, hence the name.

Distance Snap Problems

This just apply for Easy/Normal diffs

• 00:31:006 (2,3) - 0,54 vs 0,99* Fixed

Final Details

Final Details

Darcsol wrote:

1. 01:27:959 (4,5) - ^ (should avoid overlaps like this as much as possible, makes for a cleaner map) I disagree. Overlaps add to the map's "aesthetics" if done properly.
   
2. 03:46:475 (3,4,5) - maybe its a little too hard for a normal? you could change the first 2 circles to a slider There are numerous instances of this pattern before it. Why call this one out?

1^: That is a REALLY bad excuse of why you make so random overlaps, because as you say "Overlaps add to the map's "aesthetics" if done properly" but your Overlaps are awfully bad created, because 1-They are so random 2- Doesn't have any shape or flow that you need or must follow 3- They look really crappy 4- Everybody is saying to you but you doesn't want to fix them. Do not make such nonsensical claims. Frankly, I don't get it. I have yet to find a good reason why I should avoid overlaps. Threatening me is not one of them. Only 2 modders mention this, including you. This is exaggerated and benefits no one.

2^: You say that but Hydro doesn't explained his point too much, the thing that he is mention it is: 1- More than 4 continuous objects are really hard for new players 2- This is like a streamer for them, yeah there are similar patterns in the map with the same rhytmn but this is the only one that have 3 single circles on it. Sure, but this is diff is not catered for new players. This is a Normal diff and is reflected that way. I have yet to find a good reason for it.

Zyl wrote:

Irrelevant tags: tsundere Dog