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Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
LOL why would you get frustrated? I'm having a blast with this discussion.

discussion here
Why would you use two different masses on one single momentum equation?
We're talking about the momentum of a single movement, and you only need one mass because we're talking about the object moving, may it be tablet or mouse.
Switching between objects does not translate into a single movement, and you can't make an equation out of it because it doesn't make fucking sense.

Your full quote goes here:
"of course, you need control when drawing and writing and the least amount of momentum so you can snap whenever you need to. again, just show me one person who can write in decent calligraphy as efficiently as someone with a pen, brush or pencil."

oh so you're talking about the pen, right? So let's put the pen's mass into the equation.

so you said least momentum right?
So when momentum's value is lowered while mass is the same, then velocity is lowered too.
But slow movement will not make it snappy. Understand?

Your statement pertains to the relation of momentum to snapping in general, not the relation of momentum and snapping in different devices, which comes to another different equation,


Infevo wrote:

you're clearly the one who cant provide a decent rebuttal or even argument to begin with.
LOL, and if that might be the case, t least i'm not attacking personally or citing faults in arguments without contribution to discussion like what you do.

Cheers.
Infevo
463 posts
Joined October 2014
Infevo
Why would you use two different masses on one single momentum equation?
We are comparing two devices and, thus, 2 equations.

So when momentum's value is lowered while mass is the same, then velocity is lowered too.
But slow movement will not make it snappy. Understand?
At this point, I have to assume you're trolling. Especially since you, again, ask me if I'd "understand?". You don't even understand a simply momentum formula. Why would velocity have to decrease along with mass if you want less momentum? Are you fucking retarded?

Your statement pertains to the relation of momentum to snapping in general, not the relation of momentum and snapping in different devices, which comes to another different equation,
In order to compare snapping (dependent on momentum) between 2 devices we need to establish a general understanding of the rule around momentum. This is how scientific arguments usually look like.

btw. v_1 = v_2

LOL, and if that might be the case, t least i'm not attacking personally or citing faults in arguments without contribution to discussion like what you do.
It would be much easier not to consider you a retard if you were not one.
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie

Infevo wrote:

Why would velocity have to decrease along with mass if you want less momentum?
I see. I'll stop now. There's no point anymore.

I asked my professor and said you're quite wrong there. You're missing the whole point, and misunderstanding lots of things. But I can't keep this up any longer, just want to tell you know that I'm not a retard.

honest rant
You presented some good points at first and I admit I over-exemplified some of my previous claims, but the moment you went personal, you went out and blasted some inconsistent statements and calling me a retard. Well, fuck you, I know how to keep up a discussion and I'm open to any faults in my side, but you're just so fucking stupid and misinterpreting every single thing I say. You don't even agree a single bit, which shows how repulsive you are to the ideas I present and just want to fling shit towards me. Fuck off, you uncultured shit.
Infevo
463 posts
Joined October 2014
Infevo
I asked my professor and said you're quite wrong there. You're missing the whole point, and misunderstanding lots of things. But I can't keep this up any longer
Nothing new here. Just saying I am wrong and moving on. And the mere fact you had to ask your professor over something that trivial tells me a lot about your intellect. You probably asked him the wrong question anyway and misrepresented the whole discussion.

Try refuting an argument for once instead of providing more ridiculous assertions. Telling someone that he is wrong is not an argument.

some inconsistent statements
point them out for a change and display how they are inconsistent. not once did you do that.

You don't even agree a single bit, which shows how repulsive you are to the ideas I present and just want to fling shit towards me. Fuck off, you uncultured shit.
Why would I agree to something that is provably wrong? And why would I behave civilized towards somebody who keeps telling me I am wrong without proving how and finish a claim with "understand?"? Fkn troll...

Uncultured. Prefer to be "uncultured" over mentally retarded.
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Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
Keep going, Infevo.

Holy shit that was fun.
Infevo
463 posts
Joined October 2014
Infevo

Sayorie wrote:

Keep going, Infevo.

Holy shit that was fun.
Enjoy your social studies degree once they kicked you out.
N0thingSpecial
2,355 posts
Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial
OK holy shit you're both too ignorant. adding to sayorie said, mouse had a bigger mass than a pen which means mouse is more resistant towards acceleration (change in direction of movement and speed), which means it would require more force to snap a mouse compared to a pen, under the condition that the change use the same amount of time yes common sense would tell you it is easier to fling your pen around which is theoretically true, but it's practically speaking that's just a small part of a bigger picture. since pen has a much smaller mass, moving your pen in straight line requires movement too precise you'll end up using more force keeping it in track in addition to applying force to move it towards the next circle, making the movement less snappy.

Yes if you're doing a contest on "how good you can aim 350bpm jumps" then tablet would probably win, but if you're generalizing movement as a whole mouse would appear more snappy and steady
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
im so sorry senpai im a retard

On the other hand, someone got mad and started saying shit, so I agree with N0thingSpecial for this.

Anyway square jumps are fun until they turn into a tornado.
Infevo
463 posts
Joined October 2014
Infevo

N0thingSpecial wrote:

yes common sense would tell you it is easier to fling your pen around which is theoretically true, but it's practically speaking that's just a small part of a bigger picture. since pen has a much smaller mass, moving your pen in straight line requires movement too precise you'll end up using more force keeping it in track in addition to applying force to move it towards the next circle, making the movement less snappy.
This doesn't make any sense. Why would you need more force for less mass @the same speed. You almost need no force at all to stop a pen @desired location and turn it instantly. Just a tiny bit of friction is sufficiently enough to halt a pen perfectly in an instant from full speed hover by tapping the tip onto the tablet and eliminating all momentum. try doing that with a mouse. I mean, we clearly have a different understanding of 'common sense'.
1Alone
193 posts
Joined December 2015
Topic Starter
1Alone
So apparently arguing is one of the beauties in the forums I guess lol. Got 2 threads already that I made where they could just go on and on about their opinion.

Oh don't mind me, I'm just lurking around here lol. Please enjoy the arena I provided ;)
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
This is as civilized as you can get. You haven't seen G&R in its worst form yet. ;^)
N0thingSpecial
2,355 posts
Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial

1Alone wrote:

So apparently arguing is one of the beauties in the forums I guess lol. Got 2 threads already that I made where they could just go on and on about their opinion.

Oh don't mind me, I'm just lurking around here lol. Please enjoy the arena I provided ;)
you haven't seen the worst of it

Infevo wrote:

This doesn't make any sense. Why would you need more force for less mass @the same speed. You almost need no force at all to stop a pen @desired location and turn it instantly. Just a tiny bit of friction is sufficiently enough to halt a pen perfectly in an instant from full speed hover by tapping the tip onto the tablet and eliminating all momentum. try doing that with a mouse. I mean, we clearly have a different understanding of 'common sense'.
Ok let me lay things out in bullet points cause clearly you never really tried to understand other people's perspectives,
1) I agree, never have I disagree with you
2) Pen snaps faster cause it's lighter, speed is the reason you say tablet is snappier
3) Mouse snaps cleaner cause it's heavier and only requires simple motor skills to move it, cleanliness is the reason me and Sayorie say mouse is snappier

It's really just different interpretation of snapping, the definition of snapping was a topic of discussion every now and then and at this point I'm growing tired of it.

If you still have problem understanding my perspective, put on a skin with a long cursor trail (recent cookiezi skins have them), download this map and look at angelsim's and hvick's cursor movement and compare the cleanliness of both movements
Kyrari
789 posts
Joined June 2013
Kyrari
*grabs popcorn*

oh is it done already? Well I'm late
Nattsun
537 posts
Joined September 2016
Nattsun

Infevo wrote:

Sayorie wrote:

I just said that mouse is naturally snappier. 8-)
Which is a false assertion and no argument. Can you turn a motorcycle quicker than an truck?
Why don't people use mice-like devices for drawing and writing if your assertion was right? Why do most top osu! players use tablet and not mouse when snapping is one of the most important aiming elements?
Thamk you.

Honestly, people should stop comparing mouse with tablet. Mouse is worse, it's a fact, locket area+no mouse drifting are enough reason to play with a tablet.
Braixen-Desu
76 posts
Joined November 2015
Braixen-Desu
Wouldn't all of this depend on the surface of the mousepad and the weight of both the mouse and the pen?
Wouldn't it also depend if the person preferred to drag or hover with the pen too? Since in the limited experience that I have, wouldn't it would be a easier to snap with drag rather than to hover?
Also, when you say "average" weight for pen and mouse, what is the "average" weight?
Note: I don't know a whole lot about physics, I'm just really curious.
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N0thingSpecial
2,355 posts
Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial

Cirno9 wrote:

Honestly, people should stop comparing mouse with tablet.

Cirno9 wrote:

Mouse is worse, it's a fact, locket area+no mouse drifting are enough reason to play with a tablet.
Oh. What was the part about comparing mouse with tablet again?
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie
@Cirno, you're not reading the whole thing. Someone should just lock this thread already.
Infevo
463 posts
Joined October 2014
Infevo

N0thingSpecial wrote:

2) Pen snaps faster cause it's lighter, speed is the reason you say tablet is snappier
3) Mouse snaps cleaner cause it's heavier and only requires simple motor skills to move it, cleanliness is the reason me and Sayorie say mouse is snappier
2. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. At no point I would make such a claim. On the one hand, because it is not a valid thesis and on the other hand because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
3. Why does a wrecking ball not come to halt immediately when colluding with a building while a car can into a wall with twice the speed and just stop?

I am done here. This is becomming ridiculous...
N0thingSpecial
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Joined November 2015
N0thingSpecial
2) then what are you proposing? Tablet require less effort to snap? And don't give me half assed response like "you're too dumb to understand my ideas". Just put it in short concise sentences

3) you're right, but on the other end of spectrum, when the wrecking ball does stop, it stops completely, due to it being hard to move again, it's less susceptible to wind friction and any sort of minor external force, making the general movement of a wrecking ball more smooth and steady. As oppose to a car it loses momentum quickly due to it being less dense and having less mass to a wrecking ball, so the car had an easier time going complex movement, yet at the same time it's more susceptible to unwanted movement due to friction air resistance and other external force.

Or what ever wanna ask people who's cursor movement is more snappy? you or me? simple and easy.
Nattsun
537 posts
Joined September 2016
Nattsun

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Cirno9 wrote:

Honestly, people should stop comparing mouse with tablet.

Cirno9 wrote:

Mouse is worse, it's a fact, locket area+no mouse drifting are enough reason to play with a tablet.
Oh. What was the part about comparing mouse with tablet again?
People shouldn't equate*

Thanks for picking on my english :^)

@Sayorie, just admit that you are wrong.
Sayorie
975 posts
Joined December 2014
Sayorie

Cirno9 wrote:

@Sayorie, just admit that you are wrong.
Wrong...where? I never said that mouse is better than tablet or vice versa. I swear you never understand or even read any of our walls of text here. Stop with that confirmation bias of yours whenever you try to support arguments.

Cirno9 wrote:

Thanks for picking on my english :^)
He wasn't picking on your english. See? You're not trying to understand.
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