This has got to be a misunderstanding of what define snappy movement, cause it's nearly impossible to type that out with a straight face.
Read again. I have stated my basis before.Infevo wrote:
Which is a false assertion and no argument.
Because you don't really need to snap that much when drawing? Pen tablets are literally like pens for drawing. You are changing the premise.Infevo wrote:
Why don't people use mice-like devices for drawing and writing if your assertion was right?
Like I said before, the freedom of movement and perks of absolute positioning offered by the tablet is more favorable to most players.Infevo wrote:
Why do most top osu! players use tablet and not mouse when snapping is one of the most important aiming elements?
Read again. I have stated my basis before.your "basis" is an opinion. a stupid one at that.
Because you don't really need to snap that much when drawing? Pen tablets are literally like pens for drawing. You are changing the premise.more assertions which are false. of course, you need control when drawing and writing and the least amount of momentum so you can snap whenever you need to. again, just show me one person who can write in decent calligraphy as efficiently as someone with a pen, brush or pencil.
Like I said before, the freedom of movement and perks of absolute positioning offered by the tablet is more favorable to most players.absolute positioning in combination with least amount of momentum so that you can snap with no effort at all is why tablet is being preferred. 'freedom of movement' doesn't really mean anything.
lol you actually used those buzzwords like assertion and argumentagain, not an argument. and sure i will use these "buzzwords" (whatever that is supposed to mean). how else am i supposed to declare that you were not presenting an argument?
Hypocrisy. "Stupid" is also an opinion. You can't invalidate what I said.Infevo wrote:
your "basis" is an opinion. a stupid one at that.
Your statement above moves the discussion to external uses of the devices, and it's an entirely different topic.Infevo wrote:
more assertions which are false. of course, you need control when drawing and writing and the least amount of momentum so you can snap whenever you need to. again, just show me one person who can write in decent calligraphy as efficiently as someone with a pen, brush or pencil.
makes it more diffucult to snap even with control mouse pads. pens can be hovered 100% and still controlled much easier. by tapping onto the tablet you can eliminate even the little remaining momentum. it's just not comparable to mouse play.Assuming that "snapping" is how "angular" or "sharp" the change of movement is at a certain point, a larger inertia from the relatively heavier mouse inhibits more variable movement compared to the tablet. If this is the case, then it is up to the preference of the player to choose the more stable mouse or the more versatile and "free" pen tablet. This is science, so don't give me a purely subjective rebuttal.
As it doesn't counter my claim at all.Infevo wrote:
telling merely about your dpi is meaningless btw since there are tons of correlating settings like resolution, your system's aim acceleration and speed, pixel skipping, kind of surface, laser quality, osu!'s cursor speed and others.
Freedom of movement in tablet means everything because there is no friction and normal force acting on the hovering pen unlike the mouse.Infevo wrote:
absolute positioning in combination with least amount of momentum so that you can snap with no effort at all is why tablet is being preferred. 'freedom of movement' doesn't really mean anything.
That's my point, snapping using a movement with little resistance makes it shaky and unstable. I had this experience when I started playing with the tablet, and I resorted to hybrid hover and drag because snapping is hard when fully hovering. Mouse on the other hand moves in a straight line most of the time, and turns feel more angular.N0thingSpecial wrote:
I think the snap with no effort part is true but that also implies your movement is more susceptible external force which usually means that snapping from one circle to another is more shaky and unstable, which is very apparent in high bpm maps (keep in mind this has nothing to do with how good your aim is)
Momentum is mass x velocity, and given that the mass stays the same, you are implying that you need the least amount of velocity to snap.pretty sure mice usually are heavier than pens.
that's a different topic.Infevo wrote:As it doesn't counter my claim at all.
telling merely about your dpi is meaningless btw since there are tons of correlating settings like resolution, your system's aim acceleration and speed, pixel skipping, kind of surface, laser quality, osu!'s cursor speed and others.
This is science, so don't give me a purely subjective rebuttal."This is science" is not an argument. Neither is a claim an argument if you don't have reason and evidence to support it. Nice straw man btw. just take care with those stones in your glass house...
Freedom of movement in tablet means everything because there is no friction and normal force acting on the hovering pen unlike the mouse.'means everything' is not an argument
"least amount of momentum" wrong again
Infevo wrote:
pretty sure mice usually are heavier than pens.
That's inertia, and that's why I supported your claim in my last post.Infevo wrote:
you can move pens much quicker and force them into standstill than you could ever with an average mouse in comparison.
I was referring to your claim that "you need the least amount of momentum to snap" when given that you can't change the mass of a single device, but you can change its velocity, a lesser momentum and a constant mass means lesser velocity. Understand?I don't know what you're talking about. What is incorrect about my claim that snapping is easier with less momentum?? Of course, you can't change the weight of a device (unless you have a mouse with adjustable weights which still would be heavier than a pen). This is besides the point. You can reduce the weight of your utilized device by SWITCHING the device from mouse to pen. And that's what we are actually talking about. Velocity/speed remains the same since the maps you play optimally should not be dictated/influenced by your setup/playstyle.
LOL, and if that might be the case, t least i'm not attacking personally or citing faults in arguments without contribution to discussion like what you do.Infevo wrote:
you're clearly the one who cant provide a decent rebuttal or even argument to begin with.
Why would you use two different masses on one single momentum equation?We are comparing two devices and, thus, 2 equations.
So when momentum's value is lowered while mass is the same, then velocity is lowered too.At this point, I have to assume you're trolling. Especially since you, again, ask me if I'd "understand?". You don't even understand a simply momentum formula. Why would velocity have to decrease along with mass if you want less momentum? Are you fucking retarded?
But slow movement will not make it snappy. Understand?
Your statement pertains to the relation of momentum to snapping in general, not the relation of momentum and snapping in different devices, which comes to another different equation,In order to compare snapping (dependent on momentum) between 2 devices we need to establish a general understanding of the rule around momentum. This is how scientific arguments usually look like.
LOL, and if that might be the case, t least i'm not attacking personally or citing faults in arguments without contribution to discussion like what you do.It would be much easier not to consider you a retard if you were not one.
I see. I'll stop now. There's no point anymore.Infevo wrote:
Why would velocity have to decrease along with mass if you want less momentum?
I asked my professor and said you're quite wrong there. You're missing the whole point, and misunderstanding lots of things. But I can't keep this up any longerNothing new here. Just saying I am wrong and moving on. And the mere fact you had to ask your professor over something that trivial tells me a lot about your intellect. You probably asked him the wrong question anyway and misrepresented the whole discussion.
some inconsistent statementspoint them out for a change and display how they are inconsistent. not once did you do that.
You don't even agree a single bit, which shows how repulsive you are to the ideas I present and just want to fling shit towards me. Fuck off, you uncultured shit.Why would I agree to something that is provably wrong? And why would I behave civilized towards somebody who keeps telling me I am wrong without proving how and finish a claim with "understand?"? Fkn troll...
Enjoy your social studies degree once they kicked you out.Sayorie wrote:
Keep going, Infevo.
Holy shit that was fun.
This doesn't make any sense. Why would you need more force for less mass @the same speed. You almost need no force at all to stop a pen @desired location and turn it instantly. Just a tiny bit of friction is sufficiently enough to halt a pen perfectly in an instant from full speed hover by tapping the tip onto the tablet and eliminating all momentum. try doing that with a mouse. I mean, we clearly have a different understanding of 'common sense'.N0thingSpecial wrote:
yes common sense would tell you it is easier to fling your pen around which is theoretically true, but it's practically speaking that's just a small part of a bigger picture. since pen has a much smaller mass, moving your pen in straight line requires movement too precise you'll end up using more force keeping it in track in addition to applying force to move it towards the next circle, making the movement less snappy.
you haven't seen the worst of it1Alone wrote:
So apparently arguing is one of the beauties in the forums I guess lol. Got 2 threads already that I made where they could just go on and on about their opinion.
Oh don't mind me, I'm just lurking around here lol. Please enjoy the arena I provided
Ok let me lay things out in bullet points cause clearly you never really tried to understand other people's perspectives,Infevo wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. Why would you need more force for less mass @the same speed. You almost need no force at all to stop a pen @desired location and turn it instantly. Just a tiny bit of friction is sufficiently enough to halt a pen perfectly in an instant from full speed hover by tapping the tip onto the tablet and eliminating all momentum. try doing that with a mouse. I mean, we clearly have a different understanding of 'common sense'.
Thamk you.Infevo wrote:
Which is a false assertion and no argument. Can you turn a motorcycle quicker than an truck?Sayorie wrote:
I just said that mouse is naturally snappier.
Why don't people use mice-like devices for drawing and writing if your assertion was right? Why do most top osu! players use tablet and not mouse when snapping is one of the most important aiming elements?
Cirno9 wrote:
Honestly, people should stop comparing mouse with tablet.
Oh. What was the part about comparing mouse with tablet again?Cirno9 wrote:
Mouse is worse, it's a fact, locket area+no mouse drifting are enough reason to play with a tablet.
2. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. At no point I would make such a claim. On the one hand, because it is not a valid thesis and on the other hand because it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.N0thingSpecial wrote:
2) Pen snaps faster cause it's lighter, speed is the reason you say tablet is snappier
3) Mouse snaps cleaner cause it's heavier and only requires simple motor skills to move it, cleanliness is the reason me and Sayorie say mouse is snappier
People shouldn't equate*N0thingSpecial wrote:
Cirno9 wrote:
Honestly, people should stop comparing mouse with tablet.Oh. What was the part about comparing mouse with tablet again?Cirno9 wrote:
Mouse is worse, it's a fact, locket area+no mouse drifting are enough reason to play with a tablet.
Wrong...where? I never said that mouse is better than tablet or vice versa. I swear you never understand or even read any of our walls of text here. Stop with that confirmation bias of yours whenever you try to support arguments.Cirno9 wrote:
@Sayorie, just admit that you are wrong.
He wasn't picking on your english. See? You're not trying to understand.Cirno9 wrote:
Thanks for picking on my english :^)