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Monstrata wrote:

As I said before, "bipolar" doesn't work because you're using it as a pun on "Insane". But you're using a different definition. Insane is supposed to imply the map is "Insanely difficulty" not that it "has a mental illness".

Imagine a spread like this: Amicable > Conforming > Impenetrable > Schizophrenic > Supernumary.

Amicable is a pun on "Easy" as in an "Easy-going / friendly person"
Conforming is a pun on "Normal" as in a "Normal person".
Impenetrable is a pun on "Hard" as in "Very difficult to break through"
Schizophrenic is a pun on "Insane" as in "psychotic, having a mental ailment".
Supernumary is a pun on "Extra" as in "extraneous, additional".

Clearly, this won't work.
I dont see what is wrong with those diff names, care to elaborate more?

@Natsu: Yet it can also be interpreted as insanely easy, and that is my point, they are semantically flawed, yet they are accepted as the default ones. You guys, in the same way as I am, are using the definition that best favours our arguments.. I am only bringing this up because you guys decided to apply semantics ;)

and Monstrata and Sinnoh dont really count because they dont understand the theme of the song.

So, from what I understand, diff names cannot be themed to fit into the song then?
Does this means that the dreaded diff name of Lunatic become unrankable now?
And then Natsu has stated that any difficulty above Insane gets to be named more leniently, yet Bipolar seems to be the biggest issue?

And as for Bipolar being used as a pun, I am claiming I am not and that I am still following the song's theme, you claim I am using as pun, this discussion will never end.

There are several questions that I have posted previously, which as I stated before, if answered, could help convince me easier. For some reason, they are still left unanswered.
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There is no linear order to the difficulty name

1 >2 >3 >4 is an order. 1 >2 > C > 4 is not.

"bipolar" doesn't fit the order of "difficulties". it isn't a measure of difficulty, you can't rank "bipolar" in a system of how difficult a map is. You can say "complicated" is more difficult than "simple". They are both measures of difficulty. Bipolar is not.


I'm not looking to discuss the appropriateness of these difficulties honestly, i'm more explaining why they're wrong. Otherwise I would be asking you why you think "bipolar" is okay. It's not okay, and I think the discussion is more about "how should we fix this" because i'm quite sure this is getting dq'ed anyways.
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For a moment you did gave me the illusion that discussion was available ;)
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there is room for discussion indeed
As a native speaker, I still don't get the difficulty progression here :(

Caprichosa doesn't in any way resemble Conceited (it'd be more like Engreída, Pretenciosa)

even ezek suggested some alternatives

so taking this down for the moment until you've figured how to properly rename the difficulties

I can requalify directly as there would be no gameplay changes
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Also before further proceeding, may I get clarification if problem lies with the diff name theme or just Bipolar diff name (and potential La Caprichosa) too?

I tried to ask Raiden directly, but s/he gave me quite a cryptic responde to which I am not sure how to decipher, so I am leaving this question here.
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what's cryptic about "reach a consensus with the community"? please refrain from saying such things without context.
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Raiden wrote:

what's cryptic about "reach a consensus with the community"? please refrain from saying such things without context.
Community is a very broad term. Also sorry if I seem to be attacking, I just stated that with the intention to show that I have doubts, that I tried to contact you, but I was still left with the doubt (and you had things to do and had to leave), thus I made the question in the thread in hopes that someone else could help me clarify.

In any case, I discussed with Monstrata, and he stated that his/her main concern is with the Bipolar name diff, anything else should be consented with you or Natsu (Monstrata actually said any spanish speaking BN, but let's not do that for sake of biasing this more towards the people having trouble with this rather than finding a middle ground, thus you and Natsu).

Thus, I want to propose the following difficulty names, and please do give feedback this time. I have done it previously but no feedback were given.

La Regalada
La Simpatica
La Complicada
La Dura
La Intensa CSLM
La Extrema Xanero
La Dulce Mery

(Although la extrema doesnt really fit with the song's theme, but I think you guys might be happier with it)

Edit:

Aftet discussing with some additional users:

La Simpatica
La Modesta
La Complicada
La Dura
La Intensa
????? (Maybe use la regalada as the easiest diff name, but he preferred to have names that are intelligible in english, what do you guys think?)
La Dulce Mery
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eh I still don't agree with this one as it doesn't fit in the scale, in the other side La Regalada would be fine IMO

La Simpatica

This ones are actually nice:

La Modesta
La Complicada
La Dura
La Intensa
La Dulce Mery


maybe try:

La Regalada (IMO La Relajada would be a lot better as it translates better to the english)
La Modesta
La Promedio (As Esek suggested, it makes a lot more sense than simpatica, since simpatica doesn't scale in anyway)
La Dura
La Intensa
La Extrema, La Loca etc, you have many options for this one.
La Dulce Mery

btw for the collab use Xanero's diff name, since I didn't notice until now that it was a collab lol
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Hmm someone suggested that adding Xanero and CSLM to the guest diff caused some confusions, as it made them think that La Dulce Mery was also a guest diff.

And yes, La Bipolar Xanero is a collab, which is one of the reasons I thought it fits perfectly, but you guys have made it very clear that it is not and is not discussable ;(

Okay, so how about this?

La Relajada
La Modesta
La Promedio
La Complicada
La Dura
La Intensa
La Dulce Mery

Imo, I think the benefits of adding the guest mappers to the diff name outweighs the confusion caused by it.
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yeah i'm fine with those
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Diff names updated, will leave it up to raiden to agree with the diff names and hopefully requalify.

Thanks all
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Xanandra wrote:

Hmm someone suggested that adding Xanero and CSLM to the guest diff caused some confusions, as it made them think that La Dulce Mery was also a guest diff.
Well, now that you have those diffs without the GD/collab indicators, you should at least point that out in the map's description. I also suggest sb names cuz there's no indication in the diffnames about GD or collab and I bet some people won't even read the description. Imagine if many people play a GD of yours and thinks the set owner was the one who mapped it 👀
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Xanandra wrote:

Imo, I think the benefits of adding the guest mappers to the diff name outweighs the confusion caused by it.
I'm agree with Xana, also IMO deleting the guest mappers from the diffnames isn't right because doesn't give a proper presentation on the map. Yes, adding the diffname without the posesive particle make confusion with the top diff, so what about this?:

La Relajada
La Modesta
La Promedio
La Complicada
La Dura de CSLM
La Intensa de Xanero
La Dulce Mery

I'm just giving an proposition for avoid deleting the diffnames. If you ask me that doesn't seems right
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CSLM wrote:

Xanandra wrote:

Imo, I think the benefits of adding the guest mappers to the diff name outweighs the confusion caused by it.
Agree with Xana, deleting the guest mappers from the diffnames isn't right because doesn't give a proper presentation on the map. Yes, adding the diffname without the posesive particle make confusion with the top diff, so what about this?:

La Relajada
La Modesta
La Promedio
La Complicada
La Dura de CSLM
La Intensa de Xanero
La Dulce Mery

I'm just giving an proposition for avoid deleting the diffnames. If you ask me that doesn't seems right
Oops, forgot to add that to description.

And i also like this idea, will do it when i get home if by then no one comments about it
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Diff names are more reasonable now.

Requalifying as no gameplay changes were made.
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Thank you!
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Raiden wrote:

Diff names are more reasonable now
What about for those that don't speak sombrero hat?
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Back <3
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Kisses wrote:

Raiden wrote:

Diff names are more reasonable now
What about for those that don't speak sombrero hat?
Diff names has been selected so it is intelligible in english too. Inputs I have gotten through pms to two people, plus input from this thread seems to agree that these diff names are understandable in english too.

In any case, I will provide translations in OT later, for those that are still confused
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