ClariS - Hitorigoto -TV MIX- · forum

Doormat

Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T09:00:09+00:00

Karen wrote:
m4m

Soliloquy
fix aimod fix
your hitsounding is so simple and soft, at least add something on 00:53:092 (4,5) - this added whistles here, instead of spamming whistles and clas regularly you can add more hitsounds in specific parts of a song like 01:05:819 (1,2,3,4) - this i try normal-hitfinish
00:08:546 (2,1) - this is too far, the jump should be much smaller than 00:08:364 (1,2) - this, and also for consistency nerfed
01:17:546 (4) - feels unfit if you delete this note there's a very audible drum sound here, so i want to keep

Normal
01:05:092 (5,6) - slider is better here imo ok

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

thanks karen :3

also copied hitsounds for kencho and starr. xxdeathx and little wanted to have different hitsounding for their diffs

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-04-15T09:11:01+00:00

Karen wrote:
Little's Hard
00:53:364 - no circle here? kinda weird I prefer current rhythm because it emphasizes those accented notes more strongly.
00:56:546 (2) - 00:59:455 (2) - i think slider+circle fits better, you wanted to follow the vocals and there's still vocals on the white lines ok,
changed.
01:02:546 (2) - this slider covers so many vocals, how about this http://puu.sh/vkReM/87b281677b.jpg Changed to slightly different rhythm.

Little's Normal
00:06:182 (2) - 1/3 please? 1/2 was following vocal, but yeah, 1/3 makes sense here. Changed.
00:12:001 (2) - ^ Changed.

Thanks.

Also added hitsounds for those bell sounds in the middle of kiai.

http://puu.sh/vkTom/ebc82a447c.zip

Doormat

2,049 posts

Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T09:20:52+00:00

updated little's diffs

xxdeathx

2,661 posts

Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 2017-04-15T10:37:10+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
00:30:182 (1,2) - reads like 1/2 since everyone pointed this out i'll just change it ...
01:05:637 (4,1,2) - notice super weird Angle its almost like thos biq jumps in ur overdriver map except once and less cancr tried changing things around, but didn't like any alternatives any better than this
01:26:182 (3,4,5,1) - put stack in middle itd b cool Lol X P but i'm stacking it with the sliderhead

Karen wrote:
Xxdeathx's Insane
01:27:001 - why don't you start the spinner here BLUE TICK SPINNER START TRIGGERED

i prefer 1/2 beat before spinner always tbh

thank you both for your help!

new page is mine~

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Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-04-15T12:03:33+00:00

[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh.

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this.

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ?

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn

[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ?

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe?

[StaR-chan]
01:11:273 (3,4) - ctrl+g this rythmn imo to focus more on vocals ?

01:17:455 (3,4,5,6) - flow is weird here

[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ?
god this diff is fucking amazing

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ?

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map.

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals..

this song is fcking awesome
gl on this set

Last edited by Sotarks 2017-04-15T14:07:22+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T12:57:21+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
m4m

[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section movement is the same regardless in both scenario's; i prefer the current pattern because giving it the small jump serves as a nice indicator for an intensity shift, and it looks cleaner imo

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh. no; i prefer the triple to give finish emphasis. i don't think kick sliders are a good fit for this part of the kiai

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this. it's clickable because of the ding sound. the whole chorus is based around emphasis on the ding sounds by making them clickable

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean i believe the vocals are stronger on the red ticks imo. i think the current rhythm set up is a better indicator that the song's intensity is changing as well

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ? making this into two circles breaks the movement that i want here

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn there's a trumpet sound on the red tick that i think goes better when it's clickable

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals.. skip for longer held vocals

no changes on my part, thanks for looking. updated xxdeathx's diff

answering for xxdeathx and little as well since i'm pretty sure they're both in bed and they don't mind me answering for them

Sotarks wrote:
[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh he's stated before that putting the circle anywhere else makes it less aesthetically pleasing to him so i'm sure he wants this stacked

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1 he's actually stacked this from the update above your mod

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ? he's actually using the same rhythms, just a different pattern. this is fine since it's still mapped to the music. he went into why he used this pattern in previous discussion

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo i think reverse is fine for what he's going for here; it looks like he wants there to be a slider to prevent circle spam and based on the position of the next few patterns it looks like placing a slider+circle would break that movement

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe? he had something like that before; he changed it to a stack for better aesthetics and since movement would be the same regardless

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ? he's skipped all these for trumpet emphasis

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map. from the looks of it, the ncs are to accentuate the trumpets since the (1)s line up with every trumpet note. flow is subjective, and it looks really straightforward (it's just zigzags) so i don't think that's a problem either

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-04-15T14:05:30+00:00

didn't see the bn mod my bad feel free to skip my mod lel

Doormat

2,049 posts

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T14:38:02+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
didn't see the bn mod my bad feel free to skip my mod lel

na no worries about it

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2017-04-15T14:48:07+00:00

01:06:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - things like that would become so much more relevant to the song if you actually made it clear what your jumps/circles are following instead of just doing the "it's all 1/2 beats and it's anime so I'll just spam jumps"
http://i.imgur.com/MzvQK6u.jpg

also jump sequences in the verse like 00:27:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:33:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feel pretty out of place, mainly spacing wise as the verse is less intense than the chorus here, yet you still map them extremely similar to each other
lower spacing, different patterning/angles, etc. could all work to make different parts of the song actually feel different

(referring to top diff obviously)

Doormat

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Joined September 2013

Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T14:56:40+00:00

Lasse wrote:
01:06:546 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - things like that would become so much more relevant to the song if you actually made it clear what your jumps/circles are following instead of just doing the "it's all 1/2 beats and it's anime so I'll just spam jumps"
http://i.imgur.com/MzvQK6u.jpg

i mapped the second half of the chorus that way to reflect the increase in the vocal intensity:
the vocals at 01:08:001 (1,2) - has an inflection to it where the singers go "a-i". it's a bit subtle but i think it's distinct enough so i think that it's justifiable in putting two circles there01:08:001 (1,5) - there are these ding sounds in the background the music here that i also wanted to emphasize due to the uncommon nature of it. i emphasize these and the cymbals throughout the chorus for the top diff; the spam is just more prevalent in the second half due to how much more vocals are prevalent

also jump patterns like 00:27:273 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:33:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - feel pretty out of place, mainly spacing wise as the verse is less intense than the chorus here, yet you still map them extremely similar to each other
lower spacing, different patterning/angles, etc. could all work to make different parts of the song actually feel different i do agree here though, i can nerf the spacing here. hopefully it's more acceptable now

(referring to top diff obviously)

hopefully my answer is satisfactory enough

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-04-15T15:25:59+00:00

Doormat wrote:
Sotarks wrote:
[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ? he's skipped all these for trumpet emphasis

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map. from the looks of it, the ncs are to accentuate the trumpets since the (1)s line up with every trumpet note. flow is subjective, and it looks really straightforward (it's just zigzags) so i don't think that's a problem either

Endorsing this response.
Not sure if it's different for tablet players, but I find that pattern very comfortable to play with mouse. It feels like this (curves exaggerated). The pattern is meant to be interpreted as pairs of circles. Removing the new combos makes the pattern ambiguous, and may impact how the player sees and plays the pattern.
edit: lol the screenshot is readable if you open the map and know the order of the notes...

Last edited by Little 2017-04-15T16:24:31+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-04-15T16:01:06+00:00

little that screenshot is not really readable lol

talked a bit more about things ingame, mainly that I think that the lack of differentiation between layers is making the chorus extremely bland
tl;dr http://i.imgur.com/6c6uEX8.jpg

Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-04-15T16:07:55+00:00

Karen wrote:
Kencho's Insane
00:24:001 (6,7,1) - 这好蛋疼，00:24:182 (7,1) - 这间距应该比前面更大小修了一下
00:41:092 (4) - 1/3 NC ok

Sotarks wrote:
[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo hmm, actually I hear sounds on 01:17:546 - so 1/4

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ? No, I think use slider is better for me
god this diff is fucking amazing

Thanks for mod

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Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T16:12:36+00:00

updated starr's and kencho's diffs (starr sent me update code via discord; he'll be posting his reply soon)

~~will update one last time for new audio/video soon tm~~

Last edited by Doormat 2017-04-15T16:55:40+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T16:49:10+00:00

making a new post since it seems relevant to.

updated with audio and video; redownload is necessary.

edit: i forgot to silence a small bit at the beginning. redownload if you had the set before April 15 16:53 UTC

edit: if anyone wants to use the new audio/video from my set, feel free to, but at the very least let me know about it first please?

Last edited by Doormat 2017-04-15T17:18:32+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Nakano Itsuki

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Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-15T17:06:39+00:00

人哥：anti flow先保留我覺得沒甚麼問題
第二個改了

Sotarks: i dont see that much difference after changing them so no change for now, sorry!

Thx

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-15T18:21:36+00:00

updated tags, fixed video offset to ~~-250~~, and checked for anything that may have been incorrectly snapped. everything should be good to go now

edit: changed video offset to -430 after getting some more opinions. should be more in sync now

Last edited by Doormat 2017-04-15T23:26:22+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

xxdeathx

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Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 2017-04-15T20:08:52+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
[Soliloquy]
00:53:092 (4,5,1) - doing this will offer the player a better movment tbh for this section

01:09:273 (8,9) - i would rather transform this to a 1/4 slider to give more impact on 01:09:455 (1) - 's finish emphasis by using more spacing tbh.

01:11:455 (4,5) - replacing this by a 1/2 slider because of no voice 01:11:637 (5) - here, and will give more impact on 01:11:819 (6,7,8) - this.

01:12:182 (8,9) - same if you apply my suggeston above pls use it here and the next one xD

01:14:364 (3) - use 2 circles here for the vocals and 01:14:910 (5,6) - here you can put 1/2 sliders, if you see what I mean

01:22:182 (4) - 2 circles ?

01:24:728 (3,4) - ctrl+g the rythmn

[xxdeathx]
00:25:637 (3) - i would rather unstack this tbh

00:30:546 (2) - stacking this on 00:30:182 (1) - will make gud gameplay!!!1

00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - even highest diff don't use that rythmn, can you maybe convert it to reverse 1/3 ?

01:12:546 (2) - mayeb do this instead, i don't think reverse fits here imo

01:26:546 (4,5,1) - try this maybe?

[StaR-chan]
01:11:273 (3,4) - ctrl+g this rythmn imo to focus more on vocals ?

01:17:455 (3,4,5,6) - flow is weird here

[My Angel Kencho]
01:17:455 (3) - this 1/4 feels out of place imo

01:27:637 (3) - maybe try and end your diff like other diffs ?
god this diff is fucking amazing

[Little's Insane]
00:44:364 - why do you skip this clap, rather map it ?

00:49:455 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - first of all you don't need to have such nc spam and the transition 00:49:637 (2,1,2,1) - the flow is really weird and unconfortable to play compared to your other kind of flow you use in the map.

[Insane]
01:14:364 (3) - that 1/1 slider feels out of place since you skip vocals..

this song is fcking awesome
gl on this set

thanks Sotarks! doormat took the words out of my mouth but i'll consider changing the last one

Karen

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Karen 2017-04-16T04:55:42+00:00

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scanter

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scanter 2017-04-16T08:53:21+00:00

go go

Pentori

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Joined November 2015

Pentori 2017-04-16T14:33:26+00:00

[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; /
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise

[Kencho's Insane]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm

[StarR-sensei's Insane]
00:10:172 (3,1) - this is too much 1/4 spacing
00:43:626 (5,6) - 00:46:536 (5,6) - seems like ur trying to emphasise the trumpets here with the stacks but by putting the biggest jump on the snare u lose the emphasis on 00:43:990 (7)

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8)

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions?

Nakano Itsuki

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Joined July 2014

Nakano Itsuki 2017-04-16T16:45:35+00:00

fixed the first, dont rly understand how i should fix the second one but i adjusted the spacing a bit for that, thanks

doormat just fix anything else minor if theres any

d

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Kencho

952 posts

Joined August 2013

Kencho 2017-04-16T19:56:47+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
00:17:445 (4) - this is clearly different to 00:14:536 (4) - so idk why u use the same rhythm
Fixed

Edit: Changed some NCs
Edit2: Wrong hitsounds
Edit3: ^

CS3.6 again

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:ヒトリゴト -TV MIX-
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Version:Kencho's Insane
Source:エロマンガ先生
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Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-16T20:25:10+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 sure

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums sure
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares not bad
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here good catch
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles agree
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet gonna go with two whistles
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i'll try changing this into drum hitnormals for differentiation

[Easy]
01:02:717 (4,1,2,3,4,5) - honestly seems too intimidating for an easy. since the flow runs back on itself, you get objects like 01:04:172 (4) - fading in before 01:03:080 (1) - gets clicked http://puu.sh/vlWa5/35f715e8e4.jpg u might be able to get around this by using a higher ar increased AR to 3.5, it should be a bit more readable for beginners now

[Normal]
00:56:172 (5,6,7) - 00:59:081 (5,6,7) - really hard to tell what's being followed here. 00:55:808 (4) - seems to cover the vocals but then 00:59:263 - gets skipped, only to return to the vocals 00:56:717 (6) - but leave out 00:57:081 - :c i ctrl + g'd 00:56:172 (5,6) - to better follow the vocals in both cases. the red tick right before the downbeat is left out to avoid these sections from becoming to dense with 1/2, though,
so i think it's okay to ignore this vocal

[Hard]
01:07:808 (2,3) - can u space these instead of stacking? you already have a high density of stacks used during 01:05:990 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - that contrasts everything else that flows done

[Insane]
00:52:536 (4,5,1) - the way the triplet curves looks kinda messy ; / made it cleaner
01:19:081 (1,2,3) - this doesnt flow that well imo, the movement required here is so low compared to other stuff. could just swap 01:19:445 (2,3) - on the timeline yeah agree, spacing this out more feels more comfortable

[Soliloquy]
my only concern is how stuff like 01:07:990 (4,5) - 01:10:899 (4,5) - disregard the change in vocals. if u made these sliders u would get stronger emphasis on the accented vocals 01:08:354 (6,7,8) this has been addressed before by others, so i decided to just change it

also i noticed 00:56:717 (5,6,7) - 00:59:626 (5,6,7) - u tend to increase the spacing for emphasis, but the jumps to 00:56:354 (3,4) - 00:59:263 (3,4) - pretty much play the same, wouldn't reducing the spacing there make more sense with your intentions? nerfed by a bit and made the (5,6,7) jumps slightly bigger to reflect the difference in emphasis

updated starr's and kencho's diffs. also copied hitsounds for ~~them~~starr and updated combo colours on all diffs. little and xxdeathx wanted different hitsounding so i'll leave it up to them to decide if they want to apply the hitsound mod you provided. thanks pentori~

edit: kencho provided his own hitsounding just now, updated

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-04-16T21:27:34+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums Added whistle at 00:23:717 (7) in my Insane.
As for other hitsound things, I mostly had whistles in those parts already. My justification for using whistles rather than claps is that claps feel too strong, and I want to maintain contrast between those 1/4 beats and the strong second and fourth beats of the measure. I think whistles provide sufficient feedback in those cases.

[Little's Easy]
00:35:445 - i rly think you should have more 2/1 rhythms to reflect intensity better, 00:36:899 (3,4) - could easily work as a 2/1 slider + circle I think there is enough contrast in intensity in my current usage. My rhythms in the previous section place emphasis on the second beat clap for each phrase, while the rhythms in this "slow" section are all beats 1 and 3. The difference in excitement between emphasizing clap vs. strong main beats makes this section feel less intense in the map. I really want to save the 2/1 slider + circle for the transition at 00:39:808 (3,4)

[Little's Normal]
00:40:536 (4) - nothing actually snaps to the red tick 00:41:081 - maybe snap to the 1/3? like u did previously at the beginning. or could just snap to white tick Yeah, snapped to white tick.
01:07:990 (6,7,1) - 01:10:899 (6,7,8,1) - rhythms here are achieving completely different things but the music stays mostly the same. moving 01:11:626 (8) - do the downbeat would make the transition a lot nicer Fixed.

[Little's Hard]
00:46:354 (4,5,6) - doesnt really give much attention to the trumpet. at 00:43:445 (4,5) - u had the flow change at the trumpet so mayb try a similar thing Did a similar thing.

[Little's Insane]
00:23:263 (4,6,7,1) - 00:34:899 (4,6,7,1) - autostacking makes this look awful http://puu.sh/vlYmr/5931cf82a9.jpg should try space these a bit more These are fine imo. I don't think it looks awful.
00:37:263 (2,3,4) - u reduced the sv but spacing stays mostly the same as more intense sections Distance spacing doesn't scale with intensity; it's used here for emphasis on (3). It was slightly too large here, especially between (3,4), so I reduced it a bit.
01:07:445 (1,2,3) - 01:10:354 (1,2) - y do the rhythms change so much density-wise It just feels right to me. The vocal rhythm is different here, so I wanted to sit on the sustained notes longer.

Thanks.
http://puu.sh/vmpDh/a42941ecd3.zip

Doormat

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Topic Starter

Doormat 2017-04-16T23:03:26+00:00

updated little's diffs, waiting on xxdeathx now

xxdeathx

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Joined July 2013

xxdeathx 2017-04-17T01:12:00+00:00

Pentori wrote:
[General]
combo 1 and 3 basically look the same in gameplay, i think u should try lighten combo 1 think doormat changed it

hitsounding can be improved a bit the 1/4 feedback is a little lacking in some areas (referring to top diff here):
00:23:445 (8,9) - could add whistles from 00:23:536 - here to represent the kick drums don't have anything there in my diff
00:29:445 (6,7) - i think claps would work really well here cos the triplet consists of two snares agreed
00:35:263 (6,7) - ^ ^
00:39:626 - 00:39:990 - offbeat claps here ^
00:52:717 - 00:52:808 (5) - sound more like claps than whistles ^
01:16:990 (4,5) - clap and whistle. or could use two whistles if you dont want it sounding like a duplet had clap but no whistle
01:25:716 (2,3,4,5,6) - this needs more than just hitnormals i think it is

[Xxdeathx's Insane]
00:00:536 (1) - kinda inconsistent how u have the slider here, but jumps everywhere else i hate starting maps with circles because it fks over hidden players and it's even a bit harder for nomod players to get a 300 before they get in the rhythm. i put a slider in front and changed 00:00:536 (1) - to circles so it's consistent now
00:23:263 (7,8,9) - ehh, theres not much point in having the jumps here when u no longer have the stressed trumpets on 00:22:172 (1,3,5) - to emphasise. the 1/4s are a lot more noticeable decided to put a jump for each of those things: 00:23:263 (7) - trumpet, 00:23:445 (8) - clap, 00:23:626 (9) - trumpet (though less stressed but still not okay as sliderend or anything), 00:23:808 (1) - finish. i feel like the intensity of this part is a good lead in to the calmer section afterwards.
01:10:899 (4,5) - since ur circles are all following vocals, this should be a slider no, in this section until 01:11:808 (1) - i am following the claps on every white tick. because of that i increased slider velocity, and put only sliders that started on white ticks or pairs of circles.

Thanks pentori!

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Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T01:17:57+00:00

all diffs updated now

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 2017-04-17T02:48:49+00:00

no one take me serious about weird spread T___T

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T02:55:57+00:00

its ok cuz sr doesnt matter when ur talking about spread anyway Lol

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-04-17T02:58:48+00:00

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

Little

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Little 2017-04-17T03:01:51+00:00

Well, there aren't any significant gaps even if we remove my Normal, but does removing my Normal improve the spread at all? I don't think so.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T03:01:54+00:00

MrSergio wrote:

I wonder how far we can take this tho, since it doesn't specify exactly that you CAN'T use a shitton of diffs of the same level or make a double spread (we've also treated most mapsets like this anyway, so it would be strange to start doing so out of the blue) (this doesn't imply it wouldn't be a good chance to do it anyway...)

the difficulties do follow a consecutive order, and the ranking criteria is ambiguous on difficulties that are of the same star rating. i don't think the rules are being broken in this case.

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T03:04:15+00:00

yea i dont c how this set is rule breaking the rule just states that the diff names should b aligned with the sr which they r

ErunamoJAZZ

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ErunamoJAZZ 2017-04-17T03:06:33+00:00

but what sense have 2 normals and 2 hards that feels like same...
It is boring

A better solution will be a Little's Advanced or something like this

VINXIS

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VINXIS 2017-04-17T03:07:56+00:00

nonsense ≠ boring

thts not rly a solution tho cuz theres no problem in the first place

doule spreads may b useless/lame to ppl but they rnt problematic

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T03:13:03+00:00

explained this in game, but posting here for context as well.

the [Normal] and [Little's Normal] difficulties fundamentally have different rhythm and pattern designs. there are some places where they overlap, but the majority of the map is distinct from each other.

this is more apparent in the [Hard] and [Little's Hard] difficulties, since [Hard] introduces 1/4 beat distance spacing whereas [Little's Hard] doesn't.

overall, the difficulties are different enough from each other, and so the spread is acceptable.

_handholding

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_handholding 2017-04-17T04:49:51+00:00

pentori denied my kds, why?

If you didn't know the context it was me point out 1/3 snaps and not have them be so strict with DS as to improve readability (overlapping objects that aren't 1/2 gaps are hard to read)

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Pentori 2017-04-17T06:08:20+00:00

spread exists so players of any level can enjoy a song, having the additional difficulties doesn't harm the mapset at all lol.

and kisses your post doesn't even look like a mod, u couldve had the context in the post itself and i wouldnt of denied

oh and qualified!

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-04-17T06:14:10+00:00

cheers, thanks karen and pentori

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