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Chthonic - Defenders of Bu-Tik Palace

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Bokkie
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Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 23 June 2017 at 01:42:41

Artist: Chthonic
Title: Defenders of Bu-Tik Palace
Tags: 唐美雲 武德 Meiyun Tang Bú-Tik erhu 絃仔 hiân-á melodic death metal Spinefarm Records Universal Music
BPM: 200
Filesize: 12548kb
Play Time: 05:01
Difficulties Available:
  1. Martyr (6.9 stars, 2284 notes)
Download: Chthonic - Defenders of Bu-Tik Palace
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Testplays and mods appreciated c:

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Please, USE CUSTOM HITSOUNDS.
Disabling those samples might make hitsounds obnoxious!
(depending on skin you're currently using).






Thanks for the stars newton-, direday, Wishkey. Zonthem, Lami, I am Kawaii owo
Special thanks to: Mun and MrSergio <3


"It was done intentionally of course. The testers who tested this went nuts. At first it was easier, but when the testers said "this is too difficult", I made it even more difficult." ~Tomonobu Itagaki
Last edited by Bokkie , edited 46 times in total.
davidminh0111
1,335 posts
Joined January 2017
davidminh0111
Hello from #modreqs:

00:12:695: Can you remap this stream, too confuse and ugly (unrankable)
00:15:095: Same
00:37:445: Unrankable overlap
00:51:620: For a map that has high BPM, don't do like this
01:05:495 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8): Can't you use slider here?
01:09:995: Unrankable overlap
01:37:895: Remove NC, why should you put NC here, don't ALWAYS follow the big white tick
01:40:295: Same
01:46:295: Remap this stream
01:48:695: Same

According to the beatmap emphasis, you need it more, put emphasis mostly on the white tick. I think you should play more to make a good stream map.
Good luck, hope this will get approve soon
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Twiggles
from my nm q

00:03:995 (5) - sharp angle
00:17:195 (4) - idk why this is short
00:30:545 (3) - blanket better
01:00:395 (3) - should be triple
01:05:945 (4) - stack on 01:04:895 (1) -
01:17:195 (1,2,3) - doesn't look straight
01:51:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream should be accented like 01:48:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
02:14:795 (2) - blanket better
02:59:945 (4) - move this, slight overlap
03:09:245 (2) - ^
03:45:545 (4) - move this a little away from the stream, I feel like it's too close
03:56:045 (2) - very short distance
04:09:095 (1) - blanket
04:26:495 (9) - should be sharp angle since there's a change in sound there
04:27:620 (8,9) - either one ^^ or maybe both
05:01:838 (1) - make this look pleasing .-., also does it end there?
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hi there!

kookoo11 wrote:

from my nm q

00:03:995 (5) - sharp angle done
00:17:195 (4) - idk why this is short I wanted it to be a bit slower than other 3 sliders there to add little emphasis
00:30:545 (3) - blanket better fixed
01:00:395 (3) - should be triple sure let's try it
01:05:945 (4) - stack on 01:04:895 (1) - makes sense, fixed
01:17:195 (1,2,3) - doesn't look straight straighten
01:51:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this stream should be accented like 01:48:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I disagree, imo that stacked stream pattern 3 times in a row might be "tiring"; also 00:17:495 - here's the same kind of thing so I'd rather leave it as it is
02:14:795 (2) - blanket better fixed
02:59:945 (4) - move this, slight overlap done
03:09:245 (2) - ^
03:45:545 (4) - move this a little away from the stream, I feel like it's too close hmm.. I guess you're right
03:56:045 (2) - very short distance moved a bit to the left and adjusted other circles
04:09:095 (1) - blanket fixed I sure suck at those huh
04:26:495 (9) - should be sharp angle since there's a change in sound there
04:27:620 (8,9) - either one ^^ or maybe both I went for both c:
05:01:838 (1) - make this look pleasing .-., also does it end there? I'd love to make some quality sliderart here, but I absolutely suck at them; and yeah I think it ends about that point, it might be weird but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for the mod!
TheKingHenry
1,666 posts
Joined October 2014
TheKingHenry
Hello mod from my queue~
Martyr
  1. Not going to look that much into how this should be done, but this band name is 閃靈 and Chthonic, as it's also used, could perhaps then be used as the romanized one. Tho I don't think 閃靈 really translates to chthonic nor types out as such so I'm not sure how this should be done.
  2. Same drill with the song name, which originally is 暮沉武德殿
  3. Tho what mixes things up more is the fact that they release 2 versions of their albums, "original" and "english". Like the album this is from (original 武徳 and english one called Bú-Tik). They are singing in english in this one so this is most likely from the english one. However, according to the name you have, it can also be that this is from the video album where this track is called 暮沉武德殿 / Defenders of Bú-Tik Palace which would then explain the title you are having. Unfortunately that album has 2 versions too, original 演武 and english Ián-Bú. So tbh, I'm pretty confused on what to do. But since you most likely should know where you got this shit from, you can perhaps use these information to decipher better what to use as the metadata. Even if it's from the video album, I guess adding the name of the album where this was first released to the tags in both languages would make sense
  4. Looks like most of things I'm saying here were done multiple times, so if you decide to change something, change every place that is the same, not going to pin-point every one
  5. 00:04:295 (1,2,3,4) - I think you should use this variant 00:06:695 (1,2,3,4) - for all of these (except if the music is different and thus needs something different) since the emphasis is a lot better with it
  6. 00:10:370 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - is this haphazard stream-shape necessary?
  7. 00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - pretty drastic change visually but especially gameplay-wise to this stream, while the music stays exact the same lol. Like, yeah, cool patterning idea, but then be consistent with it
  8. 00:22:895 (4) - stream begins already at here and would thus just map it that way. And same with all the following same places
  9. 00:26:720 (2) - It's fine to have kickslider of 3 and then one circle, but then you need to express it somehow, since player will be excepting kickslider of even rhythms, one beat in this case. NCing 00:26:795 (3) - and then clearly changing the stream direction from there would make it less confusing
  10. 00:30:095 - already mapped few rhythmically correct, now back to ignoring the one sound. Consistency?
  11. 00:49:745 (1,2,3) - this kind of patterning is usually used when 00:49:745 (1) - would be at the white tick, so it plays like triple but covers all 4 1/4 of the beat. Now this isn't positioned like that and thus the patterning is kinda weird, since there aren't really any changes to map differently the sounds that aren't even located at emphasised beat
  12. 00:51:695 (2) - NC this instead of the current one
  13. 01:36:695 - yeah with the circle-only emphasis this section looks pretty neat. Same drill as earlier with 01:46:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - tho. I recommend you just keep with the more straightforward streams, they deliver the larger picture emphasis better imo
  14. 01:59:120 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - combining 1/4 and 1/3 like this may or may not work, can't play it myself, but hopefully you'll get some capable testplayers or something to tell you later
  15. 02:00:695 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - I'd map some of these as circles, more interesting. Tho keep the first ones sliders to make player familiar with it. Similarly, from 02:03:095 (1) - on you could use couple kicksliders to tell the player it's 1/4
  16. 02:06:545 - definitely map this sound
  17. 02:15:395 - triple here? More like the whole combo 02:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels kinda weird as in what you are following and why? Also you should position and map the spinner similarly to as you did it earlier at 02:08:195 (7,1) -
  18. 02:33:095 (4,5) - you could make these look a lot better compared to each other. Basically, since 02:33:520 (5) - looks pretty nice already, change 02:33:095 (4) - shape so it more compliments the shape of the 5 (visual distance equality and that kind of shit perhaps)
  19. Hell yeah this kiai lol
  20. 02:52:220 (16,1) - broken shape? fix
  21. 02:58:295 - would definitely map the few 1/4 bursts in this section. Would work a lot better imo after that long stream section, since making another rhythmically very simplistic section isn't that cool (like simple 1/2 until couple straightforward stream at 03:01:895 (1) - again).
  22. I think this last kiai is slightly overboard considering the music doesn't really jump off the charts with some new bad-assery. Also kinda broken stream shapes like 04:45:620 (8,9,10) -; 04:50:420 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - (the overall curve shape isn't good). Also not really sure if turns like 04:49:595 (13) - are necessary, but there isn't really anything that much wrong with it either
  23. While it works the current way too, I'd recommend you to just time the ritardando in the end, making the object placement for the last objects more exact.
Good luck!
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hi!

Changed
No change, but I like the idea
I disagree; No change

SPOILER

TheKingHenry wrote:

Hello mod from my queue~
Martyr
  1. Not going to look that much into how this should be done, but this band name is 閃靈 and Chthonic, as it's also used, could perhaps then be used as the romanized one. Tho I don't think 閃靈 really translates to chthonic nor types out as such so I'm not sure how this should be done.
  2. Same drill with the song name, which originally is 暮沉武德殿
  3. Tho what mixes things up more is the fact that they release 2 versions of their albums, "original" and "english". Like the album this is from (original 武徳 and english one called Bú-Tik). They are singing in english in this one so this is most likely from the english one. However, according to the name you have, it can also be that this is from the video album where this track is called 暮沉武德殿 / Defenders of Bú-Tik Palace which would then explain the title you are having. Unfortunately that album has 2 versions too, original 演武 and english Ián-Bú. So tbh, I'm pretty confused on what to do. But since you most likely should know where you got this shit from, you can perhaps use these information to decipher better what to use as the metadata. Even if it's from the video album, I guess adding the name of the album where this was first released to the tags in both languages would make sense tbf I wanted to add proper metadata after finishing the map but I forgot about it
  4. Looks like most of things I'm saying here were done multiple times, so if you decide to change something, change every place that is the same, not going to pin-point every one
  5. 00:04:295 (1,2,3,4) - I think you should use this variant 00:06:695 (1,2,3,4) - for all of these (except if the music is different and thus needs something different) since the emphasis is a lot better with it why I haven't change that yet? fixed
  6. 00:10:370 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - is this haphazard stream-shape necessary? organized~
  7. 00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - pretty drastic change visually but especially gameplay-wise to this stream, while the music stays exact the same lol. Like, yeah, cool patterning idea, but then be consistent with it I wanted to make streams a bit more interesting but I think if all streams would look like that it might be a bit obnoxious; 2 streams like this is just fine imo; I'll keep it in mind and maybe change it later
  8. 00:22:895 (4) - stream begins already at here and would thus just map it that way. And same with all the following same places fixed
  9. 00:26:720 (2) - It's fine to have kickslider of 3 and then one circle, but then you need to express it somehow, since player will be excepting kickslider of even rhythms, one beat in this case. NCing 00:26:795 (3) - and then clearly changing the stream direction from there would make it less confusing should be alright now(right? ._.)
  10. 00:30:095 - already mapped few rhythmically correct, now back to ignoring the one sound. Consistency? fixed
  11. 00:49:745 (1,2,3) - this kind of patterning is usually used when 00:49:745 (1) - would be at the white tick, so it plays like triple but covers all 4 1/4 of the beat. Now this isn't positioned like that and thus the patterning is kinda weird, since there aren't really any changes to map differently the sounds that aren't even located at emphasised beat well.. that's true
  12. 00:51:695 (2) - NC this instead of the current one done
  13. 01:36:695 - yeah with the circle-only emphasis this section looks pretty neat. Same drill as earlier with 01:46:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - tho. I recommend you just keep with the more straightforward streams, they deliver the larger picture emphasis better imo I like the way it is right now. It puts emphasis on those sliders after stream since the player doesnt have to move cursor much while playing through them
  14. 01:59:120 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - combining 1/4 and 1/3 like this may or may not work, can't play it myself, but hopefully you'll get some capable testplayers or something to tell you later I've asked few topplayers to playtest and they had no issues with that part; also I don't know what else could I do here
  15. 02:00:695 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - I'd map some of these as circles, more interesting. Tho keep the first ones sliders to make player familiar with it. Similarly, from 02:03:095 (1) - on you could use couple kicksliders to tell the player it's 1/4 added spaced 1/3 now to make it visualy different from 1/4 stream
  16. 02:06:545 - definitely map this sound how did I miss that lol
  17. 02:15:395 - triple here? More like the whole combo 02:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - feels kinda weird as in what you are following and why? Also you should position and map the spinner similarly to as you did it earlier at 02:08:195 (7,1) - I've mapped it to that chinese(?) instrument in the background; spinner thingy fixed
  18. 02:33:095 (4,5) - you could make these look a lot better compared to each other. Basically, since 02:33:520 (5) - looks pretty nice already, change 02:33:095 (4) - shape so it more compliments the shape of the 5 (visual distance equality and that kind of shit perhaps)
  19. Hell yeah this kiai lol
  20. 02:52:220 (16,1) - broken shape? fix fixed
  21. 02:58:295 - would definitely map the few 1/4 bursts in this section. Would work a lot better imo after that long stream section, since making another rhythmically very simplistic section isn't that cool (like simple 1/2 until couple straightforward stream at 03:01:895 (1) - again). tbf I'd map it with bursts here if deathstream wasn't before that part; give some rest to them poor fingers :c
  22. I think this last kiai is slightly overboard considering the music doesn't really jump off the charts with some new bad-assery. Also kinda broken stream shapes like 04:45:620 (8,9,10) -; 04:50:420 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - (the overall curve shape isn't good). Also not really sure if turns like 04:49:595 (13) - are necessary, but there isn't really anything that much wrong with it either stream shapes should be better now
  23. While it works the current way too, I'd recommend you to just time the ritardando in the end, making the object placement for the last objects more exact.timed (i suck at it tho)
Good luck!

Great mod, thanks for the input <3
TheKingHenry
1,666 posts
Joined October 2014
TheKingHenry

Catshy wrote:

TheKingHenry wrote:

[*]02:58:295 - would definitely map the few 1/4 bursts in this section. Would work a lot better imo after that long stream section, since making another rhythmically very simplistic section isn't that cool (like simple 1/2 until couple straightforward stream at 03:01:895 (1) - again). tbf I'd map it with bursts here if deathstream wasn't before that part; give some rest to them poor fingers :c
Well you could always just use some kicksliders instead to capture the correct rhythm then. Unless you specifically want to keep the 1/2 jumps that is, and even then kicksliders covering 2 notes each would play about the same. But anyways it's up to ya ^^
CucumberCuc
1,316 posts
Joined January 2016
CucumberCuc
Hi

[Martyr]
02:36:395 (1,2,3) May be the same as 02:37:595 (1,2,3)?
02:46:295 (1) move slightly left
04:33:395 (3) ^
dsco
287 posts
Joined April 2014
dsco
hello :D
overall this map is very fun but it might not be suited for rank due to some consistency issues. the approach and general structure of the map is good its just that sometimes i think you vary things too much just for the heck of it

00:05:195 (4) - no need to end on yellow tick, artificial difficulty combined with SV
00:12:095 (3) - no need for SV change
00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - like this stream shape :D
00:13:895 (1,2,3,4) - why random change in hitsounding for this one? either do this for all previous ones or dont do it
00:14:795 (4) - no need for SV change
00:17:195 (4) - ^
00:18:695 (1) - excessive SV change
00:20:495 (5) - i think this would be better as a stream or kickslider since 1/4 rhythm here
00:21:995 (4) - if you keep the low SV for the last sliders of the 4 slider combos (00:14:795 (4) and others, make this one low as well)
00:26:495 (1,2,1) - nothing in the music would indicate this should be a slider this time instead of stream
00:28:895 (1,2,3) - stack first 3 notes for consistency maybe?
00:30:095 (4,5,1,2,3) - why change to kicksliders all the sudden? this is the same guitar part as 00:25:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - which was mapped as stream. also, 1 doesnt need a NC since you NC every 2 beats (and here: 00:33:695 (1,2,3,4,5) - )
00:33:845 (3,4,5) - again dont see why you switch to kicksliders randomly
00:34:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - no reason for 1 to be a slider as it is. if you keep this, make this combo and 00:26:495 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - comboing consistent. i'd recommend removing NC on 00:26:795 (1) -
00:35:495 (1,2) - dont think these should be kicksliders, you used slider into 2 circles last time for the same part (00:25:895 (1,2,3) - )
00:37:295 (4) - NC here instead of 00:36:695 (1) - and make this rhythm consistent with the past measures (stream starting on 00:37:295 (4) - or kicksliders if you keep them)
00:38:495 (3,1,2,3) - ^ same rhythm suggestion
00:41:495 (1) - section starting here has really inconsistent use of triples or 00:41:495 (1) - rhythm. seems random which is chosen. clean it up a bit. also, NCing is a mess here. i'd recommend doing it every 2 beats starting with 00:41:495 (1) -
00:46:295 (1,2,1,2) - this rhythm choice is vastly different to 00:41:495 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - which have the same rhythms.
00:51:095 (1,2,3) - ^ but also inconsistent to that one as well
01:02:345 (4) - this is the only slider that ends on a white tick in this section, sticks out
01:02:645 (5) - NC for consistency
01:06:095 (5) - ^
01:09:695 (3) - ^
inconsistency between 01:11:045 (1,2,3) - and 01:01:445 (1,2,3) -
01:15:845 (1,2,3) - ^
01:16:595 (1) - unnecessary NC
01:16:895 (4) - NC
01:17:195 (1) - remove NC
section starting at 01:18:695 (1) - has VERY inconsistent NCing.
01:23:495 (1) - // 01:18:695 (1) - // 01:19:595 (2) - use either 1.5x or 1.0x in this section, not both
01:27:095 (1) - // 01:29:945 (1) - ^
01:45:995 (4) - unnecessary SV change
01:48:095 (3,4) - ^ + 3 wasn't slow last time but is this time
01:50:495 (3,4) - no need for 3 different SVs for these four sliders // ^
01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - NC spam these use a 1/3 slider to introduce this rhythm, extremely hard to read
02:12:695 (1) - 1/4 stream makes way more sense here, or at least 1/4 buzz slider
02:13:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are these triples and not a stream (compare to 02:03:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - )
02:14:495 (1,2) - spacing implies 1 ends on blue tick, space more.
02:15:695 (5,6) - rhythm misses a lot of important drum sounds
02:23:195 (1) - remove NC
02:23:495 (2) - NC
02:24:095 (1) - remove NC (this plus last 2 are for consistency with last 2 measures, NCing every 4 beats)
02:27:095 (3) - NC
02:29:495 (5) - NC
02:33:095 (4) - NC
02:36:395 (1) - remove NC
03:02:495 (9) - NC
03:02:795 (1) - remove NC
03:08:495 (5) - NC for consistency with 02:58:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
03:08:495 (5,6,7) - inconsistent rhythm with 02:58:895 (1,2,3,4) -
03:34:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - jumps feel excessive when the red ticks have no strong sounds
03:38:120 (4,5,6) - this sharp of an angle emphasizes 5 in a way that doesn't relate to the music at all
04:02:345 (1,2) - swap NC
04:08:495 (5) - NC and consider switching 04:08:495 (5,6,7) - rhythm around so that its 2 circles then slider and not opposite for consistency
04:12:695 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - these should be 2 circles then slider like the rest of the map

good luck! :)
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hi!

SPOILER

dsco wrote:

hello :D
overall this map is very fun but it might not be suited for rank due to some consistency issues. the approach and general structure of the map is good its just that sometimes i think you vary things too much just for the heck of it

00:05:195 (4) - no need to end on yellow tick, artificial difficulty combined with SV wtf how that happened?!
00:12:095 (3) - no need for SV change actually there is need for SV; when I played through those sliders I found myself moving cursor too far right and simply kept sliderbreaking
00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - like this stream shape :D thanks!
00:13:895 (1,2,3,4) - why random change in hitsounding for this one? either do this for all previous ones or dont do it I think you mean next sliders; anyway, it's 6th(and last of them) set of sliders so I thought it'd be nice to add something various
00:14:795 (4) - no need for SV change ok
00:17:195 (4) - ^
00:18:695 (1) - excessive SV change fixed
00:20:495 (5) - i think this would be better as a stream or kickslider since 1/4 rhythm here nah, I've mapped whole part to the drums so it'd be weird to switch to guitar
00:21:995 (4) - if you keep the low SV for the last sliders of the 4 slider combos (00:14:795 (4) and others, make this one low as well) I've changed the other ones so this stays
00:26:495 (1,2,1) - nothing in the music would indicate this should be a slider this time instead of stream except the guitar :D and the thing that I want it to be slider XD
00:28:895 (1,2,3) - stack first 3 notes for consistency maybe? sure
00:30:095 (4,5,1,2,3) - why change to kicksliders all the sudden? this is the same guitar part as 00:25:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - which was mapped as stream. also, 1 doesnt need a NC since you NC every 2 beats (and here: 00:33:695 (1,2,3,4,5) - ) Idk it just feels better imo
00:33:845 (3,4,5) - again dont see why you switch to kicksliders randomly
00:34:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - no reason for 1 to be a slider as it is. if you keep this, make this combo and 00:26:495 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - comboing consistent. i'd recommend removing NC on 00:26:795 (1) - both this and next slider start and end with slider so I guess it's alright to keep slider here to keep it somewhat consistent
00:35:495 (1,2) - dont think these should be kicksliders, you used slider into 2 circles last time for the same part (00:25:895 (1,2,3) - )
00:37:295 (4) - NC here instead of 00:36:695 (1) - and make this rhythm consistent with the past measures (stream starting on 00:37:295 (4) - or kicksliders if you keep them) although there's white tick on (4) there isnt much difference in music here; and it's mapped to guitar here so no streams
00:38:495 (3,1,2,3) - ^ same rhythm suggestion same reply
00:41:495 (1) - section starting here has really inconsistent use of triples or 00:41:495 (1) - rhythm. seems random which is chosen. clean it up a bit. also, NCing is a mess here. i'd recommend doing it every 2 beats starting with 00:41:495 (1) - fixed
00:46:295 (1,2,1,2) - this rhythm choice is vastly different to 00:41:495 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - which have the same rhythms.
00:51:095 (1,2,3) - ^ but also inconsistent to that one as well I'll look further into that later
01:02:345 (4) - this is the only slider that ends on a white tick in this section, sticks out fixed
01:02:645 (5) - NC for consistency
01:06:095 (5) - ^
01:09:695 (3) - ^ all fixed
inconsistency between 01:11:045 (1,2,3) - and 01:01:445 (1,2,3) - consistent now
01:15:845 (1,2,3) - ^
01:16:595 (1) - unnecessary NC
01:16:895 (4) - NC
01:17:195 (1) - remove NC
section starting at 01:18:695 (1) - has VERY inconsistent NCing. fixed
01:23:495 (1) - // 01:18:695 (1) - // 01:19:595 (2) - use either 1.5x or 1.0x in this section, not both actually 1.2x now
01:27:095 (1) - I think higher SV is justified here since music's a bit more intense // 01:29:945 (1) - ^
01:45:995 (4) - unnecessary SV change same as earlier
01:48:095 (3,4) - ^ + 3 wasn't slow last time but is this time
01:50:495 (3,4) - no need for 3 different SVs for these four sliders // ^ indeed
01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - NC spam these use a 1/3 slider to introduce this rhythm, extremely hard to read tbf I've struggled with that part;
tho I think spaced stream is enough identicator of rhythm change
02:12:695 (1) - 1/4 stream makes way more sense here, or at least 1/4 buzz slider I like the idea but I dont know if I want to put it here
02:13:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - why are these triples and not a stream (compare to 02:03:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ) now it's stream
02:14:495 (1,2) - spacing implies 1 ends on blue tick, space more.not relevant anymore
02:15:695 (5,6) - rhythm misses a lot of important drum sounds fixed
02:23:195 (1) - remove NC
02:23:495 (2) - NC
02:24:095 (1) - remove NC (this plus last 2 are for consistency with last 2 measures, NCing every 4 beats)
02:27:095 (3) - NC
02:29:495 (5) - NC
02:33:095 (4) - NC
02:36:395 (1) - remove NC
03:02:495 (9) - NC
03:02:795 (1) - remove NC
03:08:495 (5) - NC for consistency with 02:58:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - done all
03:08:495 (5,6,7) - inconsistent rhythm with 02:58:895 (1,2,3,4) - fixed
03:34:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - jumps feel excessive when the red ticks have no strong sounds it resembles the song better now
03:38:120 (4,5,6) - this sharp of an angle emphasizes 5 in a way that doesn't relate to the music at all fixed
04:02:345 (1,2) - swap NC
04:08:495 (5) - NC and consider switching 04:08:495 (5,6,7) - rhythm around so that its 2 circles then slider and not opposite for consistency sure
04:12:695 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - these should be 2 circles then slider like the rest of the map yeah, fixed

good luck! :)

Thanks for the mod! <3
hyouri
390 posts
Joined June 2012
hyouri
Hello from Alveryn's Mod Queue~

NM


  • General
  1. Chthonic - Defenders of Bu-Tik Palace (w).osb not used
  2. drum-hitclap2.wav, soft-hitfinish4.wav those hitsounds aren't used yet

    mart
  3. 02:06:395 (6) - nc this instead of 02:06:695 (1) -
  4. 00:15:620 (8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - do you know how difficult this is lol
  5. place 00:44:345 (5,6,1) - on top of 00:45:395 (2) -
  6. stack 00:50:045 (2,3) - on top of 00:50:195 (4) - for better flow
  7. make so this 00:50:195 (4) - sliderend is on top of 00:51:395 (2) - this sliderstart
  8. this sliderend on top of 01:03:995 (3) -
  9. 01:06:245 (6,7) - would play better if they were short sliders I think since you used those 01:01:445 (1,2) - you kind of switched pattern into two unfamiliar starting here 01:04:295 -
  10. 01:45:995 (4) - why use a slower slider velocity here? should be same as 01:45:095 (1,2,3) -
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie

Alveryn wrote:

Hello from Alveryn's Mod Queue~

NM


  • General
  1. Chthonic - Defenders of Bu-Tik Palace (w).osb not used deleted
  2. drum-hitclap2.wav, soft-hitfinish4.wav those hitsounds aren't used yet same

    mart
  3. 02:06:395 (6) - nc this instead of 02:06:695 (1) - fixed
  4. 00:15:620 (8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - do you know how difficult this is lol duh
  5. place 00:44:345 (5,6,1) - on top of 00:45:395 (2) - sure
  6. stack 00:50:045 (2,3) - on top of 00:50:195 (4) - for better flow done
  7. make so this 00:50:195 (4) - sliderend is on top of 00:51:395 (2) - this sliderstart moved
  8. this sliderend on top of 01:03:995 (3) - I think you mean 01:03:095 (1) - this; done
  9. 01:06:245 (6,7) - would play better if they were short sliders I think since you used those 01:01:445 (1,2) - you kind of switched pattern into two unfamiliar starting here 01:04:295 - I really like the way it is rn; it also resembles rise of vocal intensivity
  10. 01:45:995 (4) - why use a slower slider velocity here? should be same as 01:45:095 (1,2,3) - the sound here is a lower so I wanted to express it with lower SV
Thank you for the mod :3
Ultima Fox
621 posts
Joined August 2013
Ultima Fox
heya


  • Martyr
  1. 00:13:145 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think the stream pattern you have here, with only the 4th note off of the stack is too confusing to play at that speed, and I really recommend you change it
  2. 00:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
  3. 00:20:195 (1) - I think this NC here is unnecessary
  4. 00:20:495 (5) - Following the pattern you did, there should be a NC here, and no NC on 00:20:795 (1) , i believe
  5. 00:21:095 (1,2,3,4) - These are all the same intensity, but (3) and (4) are very close together. To keep the emphasis, you should spread (3) and (4) out more
  6. 00:26:495 (1) - This is the only time you use a repeat slider in this section, so you should change it to stacked circles like the other ones
  7. 00:38:495 (3) - Possible move this to around x:156 y:365 to keep the emphasis on 00:38:645 (1) as you did before
  8. 00:41:795 (1,2,3,4) - This seems very awkward, visually and while playing, so maybe make the 4 circles be a regular stream with low ds leading into the slider
  9. 00:48:695 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again I recommend stacking (4) with the rest here, but I'm not quite sure how you could fix the stream to accommodate that
  10. 01:01:595 (2) - Ctrl G i feel would be better
  11. 01:11:195 (2) - ^
  12. 01:22:595 (2,3,4,5,1) - Same as i mentioned before about the awkwardness of having the notes stream out at a seemingly random time (i know its at the fourth one, but people playing might not pick up on that all the time)
  13. 01:27:395 (2) - Try not to make sliders that weirdly overlap itself like this
  14. 01:32:195 (1,2,3,4) - Again, it would make more sense if 4 were stacked instead of 3
  15. 01:34:295 (1) - I'm not really a fan of this weird shape, so perhaps make it something like this
  16. 01:39:095 (5) - NC here
  17. 02:06:395 (1,2,3) - I think the ones leading up to this were fine, but you should avoid linear jumps like this because they are quite awkward to play especially in such quick succession
  18. 02:12:695 (1) - You seem to be ignoring a lot of drums and such with this slider, so you should probably consider deleting it and following the drums and such
  19. 03:22:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think you could add a little more to this pattern if it wasn't so straight forward, so maybe spice it up a little bit
  20. 03:52:895 (1,2,3) - Same about the linear jumps

    You get the idea about the stacks into streams, I feel like you should have 4 stacked notes instead of only 3 on them

    Possible Unrankable Issues:
  21. Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: drum-hitfinish.wav
    Wave hitsound delay must be under 5ms
  22. 01:39:095 (5) - This sliderend isn't snapped to the beat divisor

Good Luck! :)
Mun
468 posts
Joined July 2015
Mun
how the actual fuck could this map improve so much in one day omfg
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hi~


Ultima Fox wrote:

heya


  • Martyr


    SPOILER
    1. 00:13:145 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think the stream pattern you have here, with only the 4th note off of the stack is too confusing to play at that speed, and I really recommend you change it before that stream there are other streams that introduce the pattern one step at the time(first stacked streams, then 4-circle normal stream into stacked stream into final pattern); sure they might be difficult to play but that's the point after all
    2. 00:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
    3. 00:20:195 (1) - I think this NC here is unnecessary fixed
    4. 00:20:495 (5) - Following the pattern you did, there should be a NC here, and no NC on 00:20:795 (1) , i believe NC on (5), but I'll keep it on (1) so that both streams are the same way
    5. 00:21:095 (1,2,3,4) - These are all the same intensity, but (3) and (4) are very close together. To keep the emphasis, you should spread (3) and (4) out more adjusted spacing to match other sliders
    6. 00:26:495 (1) - This is the only time you use a repeat slider in this section, so you should change it to stacked circles like the other ones changed to stacked circles
    7. 00:38:495 (3) - Possible move this to around x:156 y:365 to keep the emphasis on 00:38:645 (1) as you did before good point; moved
    8. 00:41:795 (1,2,3,4) - This seems very awkward, visually and while playing, so maybe make the 4 circles be a regular stream with low ds leading into the slider I don't like it either; let's change it a bit
    9. 00:48:695 (1,2,3,4,5) - Again I recommend stacking (4) with the rest here, but I'm not quite sure how you could fix the stream to accommodate that well, other streams are stacked into triples; I think it'd be out of the place to put 4 stacked circles
    10. 01:01:595 (2) - Ctrl G i feel would be better the way it is right now the cursor kinda slips through those sliders(and cirlce) because of linear placement; ctrl+G would change the flow to more of wide arc jumps wich are unconfortable to play; on top of that, along with 01:01:295 (6) - that would make it even more awkward to play
    11. 01:11:195 (2) - ^ that'd make (2,3) antijump and I don't really feel like making one here
    12. 01:22:595 (2,3,4,5,1) - Same as i mentioned before about the awkwardness of having the notes stream out at a seemingly random time (i know its at the fourth one, but people playing might not pick up on that all the time) I agree; that one is kinda out of nowhere; fixed~
    13. 01:27:395 (2) - Try not to make sliders that weirdly overlap itself like this no more overlaping
    14. 01:32:195 (1,2,3,4) - Again, it would make more sense if 4 were stacked instead of 3 idk man, with amount of triples here I think it makes more sense to stack it into 3
    15. 01:34:295 (1) - I'm not really a fan of this weird shape, so perhaps make it something like this fixed
    16. 01:39:095 (5) - NC here woopsy~
    17. 02:06:395 (1,2,3) - I think the ones leading up to this were fine, but you should avoid linear jumps like this because they are quite awkward to play especially in such quick succession less linear jumps, more spicy triangle
    18. 02:12:695 (1) - You seem to be ignoring a lot of drums and such with this slider, so you should probably consider deleting it and following the drums and such since you're not the first one to mention it I guess I'll just change it
    19. 03:22:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - I think you could add a little more to this pattern if it wasn't so straight forward, so maybe spice it up a little bit spiced up
    20. 03:52:895 (1,2,3) - Same about the linear jumps not really got rid of linear jumps but moved 03:53:045 (2) - to the left to make movement more natural

      You get the idea about the stacks into streams, I feel like you should have 4 stacked notes instead of only 3 on them

      Possible Unrankable Issues:
    21. Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: drum-hitfinish.wav seems like there was 6ms delay; got rid of it tho
      Wave hitsound delay must be under 5ms
    22. 01:39:095 (5) - This sliderend isn't snapped to the beat divisor woops; fixed

    Good Luck! :)

Thanks for the mod! (specially noticing that hitsound delay) <3



Mun wrote:

how the actual fuck could this map improve so much in one day omfg
  1. I've been spamming pretty much every available queue
  2. I asked for playtest quite a lot of people(and got some feedback)
  3. I'm just a good mapper
  4. NONE OF ABOVE!
newton-
670 posts
Joined February 2015
newton-
hi, from queue
i suck at modding high sr sorry lol
also hey this is a pretty good song

[ martyr]
  1. youre kinda inconsistent with the say streamstacks are handled, you use them only like half the time. for consistency apply that concept to all streams of a certain length (1'd recommend 7 notes) or scrap it entirely, since i think that going all-or-nothing on this would establish the concept better
  2. 00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - stuff like this where the stream starts/stops repeatedly is p uncomfy (also this is sorta inconsistent w the previous streams since theyre more or less the same sound yet the stream movement is vastly different)
  3. 00:47:795 (1,2,3,4,5) - for shorter 5 note bursts im not sure the stack gimmick is necessary since that makes it look kinda ugly lol
  4. 01:43:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - kinda inconsistent with the streams like this in the intro (since the intro streams of this kind had the 3rd 4 note combo as moving)
  5. 01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - maybe you could nc 4 (splits it up into 2 3 note bursts which can be read as 1/3) or do some other thing to indicate that this is a 1/3 burst instead of 1/4 - applies to a bunch of other stuff too
  6. 02:16:595 (1,2,3,4) - could be better as pentagon?
  7. 04:08:195 (3,4,5,6) - looks kinda messy
  8. 04:18:995 (3) - stack on sliderend of 5 instead, since what 04:18:995 (3) - is stacked on has already disappeared and it just seems that it's overlapping 5
  9. 04:23:195 (5) - ctrlg to make the flow into here sharper for consistency - the entries into 1 and 3 were sharp, and they both represent the same sound as this one
have a star since i kinda like your mapping style
good luck!
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hello there c:

Changed
Not really sure what to do :/
I disagree with that
other comments

newton- wrote:

hi, from queue
i suck at modding high sr sorry lol
also hey this is a pretty good song

[ martyr]
  1. youre kinda inconsistent with the say streamstacks are handled, you use them only like half the time. for consistency apply that concept to all streams of a certain length (1'd recommend 7 notes) or scrap it entirely, since i think that going all-or-nothing on this would establish the concept better okay, so I went through whole map and made streamstack a bit more consistent
  2. 00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - stuff like this where the stream starts/stops repeatedly is p uncomfy (also this is sorta inconsistent w the previous streams since theyre more or less the same sound yet the stream movement is vastly different) previous streams add something to the pattern: first stacks, then 4 circles of "normal" stream into stacks; this stream is "final form" of the pattern; everything before this is just for player to get familliar with it
  3. 00:47:795 (1,2,3,4,5) - for shorter 5 note bursts im not sure the stack gimmick is necessary since that makes it look kinda ugly lol alright,
    fixed
  4. 01:43:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - kinda inconsistent with the streams like this in the intro (since the intro streams of this kind had the 3rd 4 note combo as moving) hmm? it's literally the same stream as 00:07:895 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
  5. 01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - maybe you could nc 4 (splits it up into 2 3 note bursts which can be read as 1/3) or do some other thing to indicate that this is a 1/3 burst instead of 1/4 - applies to a bunch of other stuff too that might be misleading into 2 different triples while it's continuous stream;
    I could spam NCs to identicate 1/3 but would that be really okay?
  6. 02:16:595 (1,2,3,4) - could be better as pentagon? sure!
  7. 04:08:195 (3,4,5,6) - looks kinda messy hope it's better now
  8. 04:18:995 (3) - stack on sliderend of 5 instead, since what 04:18:995 (3) - is stacked on has already disappeared and it just seems that it's overlapping 5 fixed(and adjusted other circles to avoid new issues)
  9. 04:23:195 (5) - ctrlg to make the flow into here sharper for consistency - the entries into 1 and 3 were sharp, and they both represent the same sound as this one good catch; fixed
have a star since i kinda like your mapping style yay \o/
good luck!
Thanks for the mod and a star <3
Alchyr
488 posts
Joined October 2014
Alchyr
From modding queue.

SPOILER
Woah hard map. Pretty nice song.

Martyr
Intro stacked streams - I like them, they're a cool idea. And I would be fine with them, except that they only appear twice.
00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
You introduce this concept, then use it only one other time in the map at 01:46:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
Which makes it, rather than a core gimmick of the map, a small annoying gimmick that players need to look out for the one time that it appears after the intro. And I differentiate these triple stack in the middle streams from the quad stack streams and triple starting streams because they are definitely way harder to play than the other two. Right now it appears twice in first half, and not at all in the rest, but the player will be on the lookout for it, expecting it. And it won't come. And the problem is that you can't really add another one as there isn't another time of the musical pattern you map with this. I don't think this is an unrankable issue, but it might bother some people.

00:34:295 (1) - Very slightly off blanket
00:37:445 (1) - Osu doesn't like stacking sliders exactly properly - ctrl+down once and ctrl+right once should fix
00:38:795 (2,3) - Spacing of 2 and 3 from 1 is not the same, could look better
00:53:945 (1,2,3,4) - Slightly off blanket. Normally I wouldn't comment on things this far apart, but considering the difficulty of the map it's highly likely people will play this map with EZ which will make this visible.
01:40:220 (8,1) - - I think this would look better if the angle here was a bit less sharp. I don't know if that makes enough sense, so basically I think it'd look better if 01:40:295 (1) - was moved upwards a bit.
01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Could make this two 1/3 repeat sliders to lead into 1/3 section to avoid rhythm mistakes, and also because this curve is kind of ugly
02:02:395 (6,1) - Spacing between circle and slider is different than spacing in the stream
02:05:495 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - Another slightly off stack - use ctrl+arrows
02:21:695 (3,4) - Not perfectly blanketed http://i.imgur.com/ztn2v4i.png
02:33:520 (2,1) - Blanket slightly off http://i.imgur.com/AfEJ0Xh.png
02:39:095 (1) - Small comment on these streams - You switch back and forth between changing angle ON the new combo 02:40:295 (1) - and changing angle AFTER the new combo 02:41:495 (1) -
Technically not unrankable, but the inconsistency is a bit bothersome. Applies to other stream sections as well.
02:48:095 (3,4) - Switching from back and forth pattern to same direction to next stream is a bit awkward
03:17:495 (1) - this slider could use a bit of work to make it more symmetrical, and possibly slightly higher sv as it might be a bit short to match
03:29:495 (1,2) - This jump is waaay smaller than all the ones around it
03:55:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Looks awkward as 03:55:295 (1) - doesn't quite follow the curve of the previous combo, nor is it far off enough to be considered a sharp angle change
03:56:045 (2,3) - Can probably move 3 up slightly to increase spacing a tiny bit
04:01:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This section of jumps seems very random
04:08:195 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern is very weird and feels out of place with all the other patterns before it
05:01:819 (1) - I really like this slider.

Good luck.
Bokkie
276 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
Bokkie
Hello!

Alchyr wrote:

From modding queue.

SPOILER
Woah hard map. Pretty nice song. thanks \o/

Martyr
Intro stacked streams - I like them, they're a cool idea. And I would be fine with them, except that they only appear twice.
00:12:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 00:15:095 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
You introduce this concept, then use it only one other time in the map at 01:46:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
Which makes it, rather than a core gimmick of the map, a small annoying gimmick that players need to look out for the one time that it appears after the intro. And I differentiate these triple stack in the middle streams from the quad stack streams and triple starting streams because they are definitely way harder to play than the other two. Right now it appears twice in first half, and not at all in the rest, but the player will be on the lookout for it, expecting it. And it won't come. And the problem is that you can't really add another one as there isn't another time of the musical pattern you map with this. I don't think this is an unrankable issue, but it might bother some people. I'd love to use more of those, but as you said, the song doesn't allow me to do so :c I could use that gimmicky pattern from the start but then there would be no "introducing" for it; so yeah, some players might be bothered by those streams, but so far people that playtested the map didn't mind them (well, most of the players)

00:34:295 (1) - Very slightly off blanket fixed (that slider had no hitsound as well)
00:37:445 (1) - Osu doesn't like stacking sliders exactly properly - ctrl+down once and ctrl+right once should fix didn't know that actually o: fixed
00:38:795 (2,3) - Spacing of 2 and 3 from 1 is not the same, could look better should be better now
00:53:945 (1,2,3,4) - Slightly off blanket. Normally I wouldn't comment on things this far apart, but considering the difficulty of the map it's highly likely people will play this map with EZ which will make this visible. fixed
01:40:220 (8,1) - - I think this would look better if the angle here was a bit less sharp. I don't know if that makes enough sense, so basically I think it'd look better if 01:40:295 (1) - was moved upwards a bit. I see, actually some people struggled with that sharp angle and that fixes an issue;
done
01:59:195 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Could make this two 1/3 repeat sliders to lead into 1/3 section to avoid rhythm mistakes, and also because this curve is kind of ugly this part has been mentioned few times already so I guess it's time for a change; 1/3 repeat sliders now
02:02:395 (6,1) - Spacing between circle and slider is different than spacing in the stream fixed~
02:05:495 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - Another slightly off stack - use ctrl+arrows done
02:21:695 (3,4) - Not perfectly blanketed http://i.imgur.com/ztn2v4i.png
02:33:520 (2,1) - Blanket slightly off http://i.imgur.com/AfEJ0Xh.png both fixed
02:39:095 (1) - Small comment on these streams - You switch back and forth between changing angle ON the new combo 02:40:295 (1) - and changing angle AFTER the new combo 02:41:495 (1) -
Technically not unrankable, but the inconsistency is a bit bothersome. Applies to other stream sections as well. good catch; fixed
02:48:095 (3,4) - Switching from back and forth pattern to same direction to next stream is a bit awkward I don't think it's awkward to play tho (at least for me)
03:17:495 (1) - this slider could use a bit of work to make it more symmetrical, and possibly slightly higher sv as it might be a bit short to match I hope it's better now
03:29:495 (1,2) - This jump is waaay smaller than all the ones around it spaced a bit more
03:55:295 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Looks awkward as 03:55:295 (1) - doesn't quite follow the curve of the previous combo, nor is it far off enough to be considered a sharp angle change fixed
03:56:045 (2,3) - Can probably move 3 up slightly to increase spacing a tiny bit sure
04:01:295 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - This section of jumps seems very random remapped
04:08:195 (3,4,5,6) - This pattern is very weird and feels out of place with all the other patterns before it changed
05:01:819 (1) - I really like this slider. thanks :3

Good luck.
Thank you for the slighlty nazi mod~
Alchyr
488 posts
Joined October 2014
Alchyr
One last tiny thing >.> Don't give kd for this

For last slider you can change bpm to 88.889 and sv to 0.93 to have it be exactly 4 beats long instead of the slightly awkward 4.5 beats it is now, which will make the sliderpoints more regular.
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