TheMefisto wrote:

Hi. Mod from Neilperry (posted as per his request)

00:14:893 (1,2) - proceeding your overall conception of beginning you can stack this as well.
I changed concept of stacking for this part (00:12:196 - 00:22:983), so full stacks is usual things here
01:33:769 (4,4) - you can avoid this kind of overlaps. Your map will looks more clean and smart.
okie
01:41:016 (6,3) - but this looks good
^_^
01:46:409 (8) - same asbout bad overlapping
Eeeh, actually I don't like this kind of overlaps too, changed
01:51:971 (1) - make wave shape more neat
okke suddenly realised that I'm bad at making wave sliders :\
01:59:724 (5) - bad idea to make perfect angle of this slider. you can follow this angle 01:58:376 (3,4) - https://puu.sh/vDTdY/fffab0b1ee.jpg it will structure pattern better
Okie, changed
02:53:320 (1,2,1) - just wanna offer you to make sliders with rising SV. It will follow sound better
I tried
03:02:758 - why you skip this? You emphase that kind of vocal before
I decided that wubs and drums are more interesting to map here
03:03:938 (2) - make shape more perfect like this https://puu.sh/vDTB6/6b346d738e.jpg
Remake it during sv changes
In your wub part i wanna to offer you continue sliders. 03:18:263 (1) - for example: this wub sound ends only on last blue tick https://puu.sh/vDTIo/edae94274e.jpg try continue all sliders like this (not shape on pic xd oh god, what you did with my map D:)
Okay, I get your point, but I don't want to make edgy wub wub part here (it's not mean that I don't like it xd), especially since both of these sliders should end on blue ticks. I made simple emphasize of wub sounds that suitable and playable for 5* map (also my collab partner did the same in his part) and I think that it isn't bad.
03:33:769 (1) - make it more neat
okay, my dear friend

Im rly impressed of some parts. Pretty cool spacing gaps and overall space concept. For me this map need some visual work with angles and shapes.
Best of luck o/

1. 00:57:702 (4,1) - можно привести спейсинг 01:00:398 (4,1) - 01:03:095 (4,1) - в одинаковых по звучанию местах к одному концепту?
2. 01:03:769 (3) - Если честно, не совсем понимаю, зачем было ставить здесь слайдер. Биты звучат одинаково, и вокал звучит плавно по всему комбо...Вообще, я бы сделал тут переход помягче, если уж хочется все кругами расставлять. Что-то типа https://puu.sh/vFjdI.jpg . Потому что предыдущая секция была довольно медленная и состояла в основном из слайдеров, так что спамить 1/2 резковато. А так 1/2 слайдеры потом 1/2 джампы и затем 1/4 постепенное нарастание, но вы поняли...
3. 01:20:117 (1,1,1,1) - приведите стрим в порядок https://puu.sh/vFjFZ.jpg я имею ввиду тут спейсиг визуально разный и при нет какой-то четкой идеи постепенного увеличения или парного спейсинга, я бы сделал все с 0.35ds или 0.4ds (я указал дс от начал, но если все откопировать по форме все должно красиво сойтись)
4. 01:30:398 (1,3) - бланкет не хотите сделать?
5. 01:29:050 (1) - 1,7 01:30:398 (1) - 1,16 не совсем понятно почему, потому что 01:30:398 - это очень мощный бит, и вроде как все остальные мощные биты вы бафаете спейсингом 01:29:556 (3) - 01:31:072 (4) - 01:29:050 (1) - Я бы посоветовал привести спейсинг на больших белых тиках в порядок , например к 1.7
6. 01:31:747 (1) - тут тоже ^
7. 01:33:769 (4) - опять таки не вижу смысла игнорить кик , учитывая что вуб сауд заканчивается на нем же
8. 01:33:769 (4,5) - стак слетел
9. 01:41:185 (1,2) - хмм, может так https://puu.sh/vFkvf.jpg по ритму
10. 01:59:724 (5,2) - может стакнуть раз уж тут только стаки в этой части
11. 01:49:275 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Если честно, было бы здорово привести формы слайдеров к как-то единому концепту, чтобы в приделах хотя бы одного комбо они смотрелись закономерно (все с прямыми изгибами,все с необычной формой, все с простыми дугами и из этого строить паттерны), в идеале конечно придумать концепт под целую секцию и ему следовать, сейчас я его не вижу, все формы подобраны рандомно. (Я извиняюсь если тут есть общая идея, но я её не вижу)
12. 02:27:027 (1) - как-то непоследовательно близко к 02:26:690 (4) - после 02:25:342 (4,1) - , стоило хотябы построить треугольник как 02:29:218 (3,4,1) - тут.
13. 02:22:983 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Тот же комментарий насчет концепции. Только тут нет связи между новыми комбо, кажды раз первый круг имеет новый спейсинг, новый угол... Стабильность в паттернах это прекрасно, но эти паттерны надо связывать тоже с какой-то определенной идеей
14. 02:58:039 (1,2) - 02:53:994 (1,2) - что со спейсингом?
15. 03:45:230 (1,5) - стак
16. 03:47:926 (1,2,3) - обычно такие паттерны строят с увеличением скорости слайдеров, чтобы конец совпадал с началом и изменения показываются более наглядно, дабы это читалось попроще и интересней на вид было
17. 03:53:657 (3,4) - я бы свапнул (ctrl-g) т.к 3 имеет бит помощнее, и это можно отобразить спейсинго
18. 04:41:859 (1,2,3) - сделайте углы переходов одинаковыми http://puu.sh/vFlHN.jpg
19. 04:52:308 (6) - чуть больше изгиб , чтобы "накрыть" 04:52:645 (1) - типа https://puu.sh/vFlOg.jpg
20. 04:53:657 (4,1) -на одну линию по вертикали ....
    Часть между 1и2 киаи кажется слабоватой по логике и визуально. Для примера часть после 3 киаи в этом плане намного мощнее. Киаи неплохие.
    Медленные части по началу тоже было бы не плохо чекнуть по логике, т.к. на них особенно заметны непоследовательные изменения. В целом неплохо. От меня все.

Mitkoff wrote:

День добрый.
NM from q.

[<3]

1. 01:30:398 (1,3) - бланкет не хотите сделать?
   Тогда слайдер будет слишком кругляшом, я такие не делаю обычно, выглядит странно. К тому же тут и без бланкетов всё красиво.
2. 01:29:050 (1) - 1,7 01:30:398 (1) - 1,16 не совсем понятно почему, потому что 01:30:398 - это очень мощный бит, и вроде как все остальные мощные биты вы бафаете спейсингом 01:29:556 (3) - 01:31:072 (4) - 01:29:050 (1) - Я бы посоветовал привести спейсинг на больших белых тиках в порядок , например к 1.7
   Руководствуюсь правилом "Чем выше по тону звук, тем больше спейсинг", уж простите мне мой слух.
3. 01:31:747 (1) - тут тоже ^
   ^
4. 01:33:769 (4) - опять таки не вижу смысла игнорить кик , учитывая что вуб сауд заканчивается на нем же
   Вот тут не поняла, какой кик я игнорю? о.о
5. 01:33:769 (4,5) - стак слетел
   Понятия не имею, почему они слетают, пофикшено
6. 01:41:185 (1,2) - хмм, может так https://puu.sh/vFkvf.jpg по ритму
   А по-моему 01:41:690 не заслуживает ноты, слабовато звучит.
7. 01:59:724 (5,2) - может стакнуть раз уж тут только стаки в этой части
   Не вижу причин стакать объекты, которые находятся так далеко, при игре этот оверлап выглядит совсем не раздражающе.
8. 01:49:275 - Если честно, было бы здорово привести формы слайдеров к как-то единому концепту, чтобы в приделах хотя бы одного комбо они смотрелись закономерно (все с прямыми изгибами,все с необычной формой, все с простыми дугами и из этого строить паттерны), в идеале конечно придумать концепт под целую секцию и ему следовать, сейчас я его не вижу, все формы подобраны рандомно. (Я извиняюсь если тут есть общая идея, но я её не вижу)
   
   Использую примерно одни и те же формы, на самом деле, каждый слайдер является визуальным воплощением вокала (там, где это вокал есть), при расстановке опираюсь силу и высоту вокала, опять же (+ общее расположение объектов и флоу). Вот эти слайдеры 01:50:286 (4) - визуализируют ударные под ними, так как вокал сюда не завезли. Единственный мой косяк лишь в том, что я поставила слайдеры уголком не везде, где это было нужно. Надеюсь мой концепт стал для тебя более понятным после этого.
9. 02:58:039 (1,2) - 02:53:994 (1,2) - что со спейсингом?
   03:02:421 (2,3,4,5) - странно что к этому месту у тебя нет претензий. На самом деле при таком расстоянии между объектами с точки зрения играбельности абсолютно не принципиально, на каком расстоянии они будут находиться друг от друга, поэтому в данной части плейсмент именно такой, каким ты его видишь.
   
10. 04:41:859 (1,2,3) - сделайте углы переходов одинаковыми http://puu.sh/vFlHN.jpg
    Соре, но когда я слышу этот звук - 04:42:870, мне хочется резко швырнуть слайдер вниз.
11. 04:52:308 (6) - чуть больше изгиб , чтобы "накрыть" 04:52:645 (1) - типа https://puu.sh/vFlOg.jpg
    Но там параллельность и ваш любимый бланкет :thinking:
12. 04:53:657 (4,1) -на одну линию по вертикали ....
    Тогда этот паттерн будет очень сжато смотреться, так что нет.
    Часть между 1и2 киаи кажется слабоватой по логике и визуально. Для примера часть после 3 киаи в этом плане намного мощнее. Киаи неплохие.
    Медленные части по началу тоже было бы не плохо чекнуть по логике, т.к. на них особенно заметны непоследовательные изменения. В целом неплохо. От меня все.

Касательно первой медленной части, которая к слову моя, можешь чекнуть ответы на предыдущие моды, я там поясняла, почему она так сделана.

Удачи~

1. У тебя соурс без точки.
2. Я бы в артиста поставил Misato(美里) , ибо сейчас все ставят вокалистов в артиста, и по моему это очень правильно.
3. В теги я бы добавил: Reitaisai 9 ZUN Misty Sumijun Kaito

1. 00:01:410 - 00:12:196 - Я бы посоветовал придерживаться какой то логике, ибо ты просто рандомно выделяешь патернами. 00:05:454 (1,2) - вместо этого должны быть ноты как тут 00:02:758 (1,2,1,2) - .
2. 00:28:881 - На самом деле я не вижу смысла замедлять тут, ибо музыка вообще не меняется, можно просто менять патерны как в начале.
3. 00:32:926 - А тут можно замедлить.
4. 01:48:432 (7) - Возможно тут стоит поставить НК, т.к меняется музыка.
5. 02:59:134 - 03:04:527 - 03:09:921 - и т.д - Очень хочу что бы эти биты фоловились.
6. 03:39:331 - ^
7. 04:01:409 (1,2,3) - Если ты мапаешь тут так, то и 04:12:196 - отсюда тоже нужно так.
   

1. 01:14:893 - Я бы поставил тут ноту, ибо ты ставишь 01:15:398 (5) - тут. И вообще тут более громкие звуки, тогда да, можно было мисать, но не тут.
2. 01:16:241 - И тут тоже очень хочется.
   А если ты отклонишь то что выше, то должен будешь убрать ноту 01:16:747 (6) - отсюда, ибо ранее ты эти звуки не фоловил.
3. 04:55:005 (4) - Мне кажется она лучше слышится и возможно играется на красном тике.
4. 05:05:454 (3) - НК?
5. 05:16:241 (3) - ^
   

Lama Poluna wrote:

[general]

1. У тебя соурс без точки.
   Добавила.
2. Я бы в артиста поставил Misato(美里) , ибо сейчас все ставят вокалистов в артиста, и по моему это очень правильно.
   Ориентируюсь на тоховики в этом вопросе, думаю что указания вокалиста в тегах будет достаточно.
3. В теги я бы добавил: Reitaisai 9 ZUN Misty Sumijun Kaito
   Хорошо.

[PandaHero]

1. 00:01:410 - 00:12:196 - Я бы посоветовал придерживаться какой то логике, ибо ты просто рандомно выделяешь патернами. 00:05:454 (1,2) - вместо этого должны быть ноты как тут 00:02:758 (1,2,1,2) - .
   Тут свою роль сыграл вокал, хоть я и строю ритм под ударные, захотелось захватить этот протяжный слог.
2. 00:28:881 - На самом деле я не вижу смысла замедлять тут, ибо музыка вообще не меняется, можно просто менять патерны как в начале.
   Вокал затихает, поэтому слайдеры замедляются
3. 00:32:926 - А тут можно замедлить.
   Неплохая идея, сделано.
4. 01:48:432 (7) - Возможно тут стоит поставить НК, т.к меняется музыка.
   Не хочу спамить нк в этом месте, точнее не вижу необходимости.
5. 02:59:134 - 03:04:527 - 03:09:921 - и т.д - Очень хочу что бы эти биты фоловились.
   Не очень хочу, потому что место спокойное и это будет восприниматься скорее как овермап. К тому же я тут совсем другие звуки фолловлю.
6. 03:39:331 - ^
   Сейм, в этом месте я следую совсем другим звукам.
7. 04:01:409 (1,2,3) - Если ты мапаешь тут так, то и 04:12:196 - отсюда тоже нужно так.
   Парт не мой, извините
   04:55:005 (4) - Мне кажется она лучше слышится и возможно играется на красном тике.
   А вот это моё. Так это, там же пусто на красном тике, да и вокал до голубого идёт.

Lama Poluna wrote:

[tokiko]

1. 01:14:893 - Я бы поставил тут ноту, ибо ты ставишь 01:15:398 (5) - тут. И вообще тут более громкие звуки, тогда да, можно было мисать, но не тут. здесь нет определённого звука. а дальше я поставил, потому что там нарастание в музыке есть
2. 01:16:241 - И тут тоже очень хочется. тут я как мудак только на биты решил ставить
3. 04:01:409 (1,2,3) - Если ты мапаешь тут так, то и 04:12:196 - отсюда тоже нужно так. разнообразие и всё такое. тем более мне в этом моменте слайдеры не так сильно понравились, как в том
4. А если ты отклонишь то что выше, то должен будешь убрать ноту 01:16:747 (6) - отсюда, ибо ранее ты эти звуки не фоловил. оке
5. 04:55:005 (4) - Мне кажется она лучше слышится и возможно играется на красном тике. а..?
6. 05:05:454 (3) - НК?
7. 05:16:241 (3) - ^ без нк оно всё лучше выглядит

Deramok wrote:

pandahero

1. 01:36:634 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - would look better if it followed the same curvature as 01:37:140 (1) - like http://puu.sh/vNf9l/1c4561027b.jpg
   oke~
2. 01:48:432 (7) - as opposed to 01:48:938 (9) - it covers two hits, so i'd suggest using something else instead. an easy way to do that would be one single on the head of 9 and then another one on top of 6 or putting a 1/2 slider on 6 as the start of 7 isn't on an important note and is thus more suited to be on a slider end as opposed to what is on it now
   I mapped 7 slider on background sounds, so I need to keep it here
3. 01:52:814 (4) - how about stacking this on 3 instead for more emphasis on the held vocal and the snare instead of the kick as you're emphasising the snares a lot in this part
   sounds like good idea, done
4. 01:51:466 (3) - either put the slider a halfbeat later or turn it into singles as you're putting a snare on the slider end, which is an inconsistency
   Oh, you catch me
5. 01:54:331 (5) - would turn it into singles to catch the vocal better since it's fairly strong and you're usually reflecting the strong ones at least
   But I mapped drums by this red-anchor slider, and then tried to emphasize vocal through the large spacing...
6. 01:56:185 (2) - this note is not supported by the song. better just go with another 1/1 or 3/4 slider.. or a filler 1/2 slider like 01:54:668 (1) - if you want to use though, even if i don't advise to do so because it fakes continuity. just having a single on both whites with a gap between works too, ad brings some variety at the same time, so that might be nice
   Made a 3/4 slider here
7. 02:03:685 (5) - i don't see what would call for this note, neither is it in the song nor is it anywhere else in the part. even for variety's sake it just doesn't fit into any logic i can find. could make 02:03:432 (4) - into two singles instead for example as that's suggested by the two kicks, maybe a stack even, with which you could maintain the rest of the pattern even
   This note comes from vocal, so I want to keep it here
8. 02:59:387 (1,2,1,1,2) - i don't know. it's weird how this and only this part follows the vocals and skips what is usually mapped, especially with 03:02:084 (1,2,3,4,5) - going back to the other instruments. all within a single section is offthrowing, if they were in two seperate iterations of the same melody or similar parts in different parts of the map, differing like that would be viable, but i don't see it fitting as it is here. so i'd suggest either mapping the rest of this part more on vocals or going with instrument focus at last for the first half of this part. in the second half it works since the new instrument syncs up with the vocals and it transitions well due to that. the fisrt option would be more true to what you've been doing all map
   Oke, I mapped sounds, that usually map here
9. 02:59:050 (3,4) - could be a tripple as well
   I talked about this place before, triple here sounds like overmap for me
10. 03:19:612 (1,2,3,4) - with 03:16:915 (1,2,3,4) - you kept a semi circular motion with the previosu two notes, would be nice to do the same here for consistency. a simple ctrl j and repositioning like http://puu.sh/vNheI/287040da3d.jpg would be an easy fix
    I think that linear flow works better then circular here
11. 03:22:308 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl g individually like http://puu.sh/vNkII/b43e84e3d9.jpg to get the emphasis on 03:22:983 (1) - . you did that in the other occasions too
    sure
12. 03:24:668 (1,2) - if you map these as 1/4 you'll also need to add a note on 03:24:584 - as it's part of the only thing that can be mapped as 1/4 here
    In this part I mapped only wub sounds, so note in this place is not necessary
13. 03:25:679 (1) - is see why you'd do this but imo it's too offthrowing to skip the 1/4 on the fist half of it since that's what also makes up 03:24:668 (1,2,1,1) - makes it feel arbitrary. another skipped sound would be a kick on middle of it that can be used to with a slider to get the same effect of the end of the long sliders like http://puu.sh/vNhW6/629129f103.jpg
    ^
14. 04:28:039 (3,4) - could be a tripple as the tripple in the song comes form the same instrument you're mapping.
    As I said before, it sounds like overmap for me
15. from 04:22:983 (1) - to 04:32:421 (1) - there's no apparent correlation or logic between the groups of objects. sometimes they are drop offs, completely isolated or follow circular motion. should probably look into having them in pairs, isolating all of them or connecting them. whichever suits your case.
    I just tried to emphasize sounds that I found interesting, maybe I did it too abstractly ;w;
16. 04:49:275 (4) - if you want to put this on vocals you should also use them on at least the slider afterwards. seems utterly pointless or random otherwise
    I not planned to put it on vocals .-.
17. 04:39:668 (2,3,1,2,3) - you made a point out of having long vocals initiate a string of circular or fluid/comfortable movement with 04:33:769 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ,04:44:556 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 04:49:949 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - and 04:36:971 (2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - , which makes sense. but here you change it right again on the second note 04:39:668 (2) - and on another occasion here 04:43:207 (1) - . one possible solution for fixing the first one would be http://puu.sh/vNjWf/972391cad9.jpg (04:39:162 (1) - and 04:41:522 (5) - stay in place, no other patterns need adjustments) and for the second one http://puu.sh/vNk3D/e1d92df40f.jpg (04:44:218 (5) - can be ontop of 04:44:893 (2) - )
    In this part I empasize background sounds again, not a vocal, so I'm afraid you understand this part in a wrong way
    on a general note, you switch between 1/2 filler sliders and 3/4 sliders seemingly arbitraryly, or at least i didn't find the logic behind it. getting some unity or system into sections would be nice as like this i'm simply not sure what which is going for.
    My logic is pretty strange thing, yup

some nice ideas to be found in this map, good luck with it
even though there's not enough vocal mapping for my taste v__v

1. 01:48:432 (7) - yes, there are two sounds on it, but the issue is the kind of sounds they are. you have a kick on the end and a weak synth on the head of the slider. in 01:48:938 (9) - you have it reversed, a snare on the head and a weak synth on the end, which is the prefered and more map characteristic way of doing it. putting 7's start on 6 would put the synth on a slider end and the snare on a head, just like 9 does it, and leave the kick open to be mapped via another note.
2. 02:03:685 (5) - i simply can't hear a distinct sound here even if you tell me it's the vocals, i oly hear one on the end of the first slider and on the head of the next one, but nothing in between, it's a regular 1/2 beat from what my ears tell me
3. 03:24:836 (2,1,1) - the point is, you don't map only on the wub sounds. there is no 1/4 in the wub, not even 1/2. if you only mapped that it would look like http://puu.sh/vO9bK/bcb821084c.jpg . this one 03:26:185 (1) - is (the 1/2 aspect of it, the 1/4 not really) at least excusable since there's a sole kick on the start. 03:25:511 (1) - the kick on this is part of a 3 note sounds pattern with another hit within 03:25:679 (1) - which would need to be mapped as well if you map the first one, which means that can't be used as a reason. lastly 03:24:836 (2) - is on no drum beat and no wub. the one thing supporting all of those is the synth 1/4 in the foreground, which would be comprehensibly implemented by adding notes to it's completion as described in the mod. so really it's map none or all of them. by how the map has been doing it untill here and how it does it afterwards, the first option seems more likely.
4. 04:22:983 (1) - it's not about what you're following here, what you're following, rhythmically is completely fine and in tune with the rest of the map. what i was gettig at, was how the single parts correlate very variably and seemingly without a system between each other. with parts here i only mean sets of few notes with bigger gaps between them rather than a song section. so what i was suggesting was to give them some linkage, something that connects them. that can also be isolation, but even that would need to be systematical.
5. 04:49:275 (4) - now this, the reason why i though you'd mapped this on the vocal is that you skipped a beat on the red tick in 04:48:938 (3) - , which is of the same nature as for instance 04:50:454 (2) - and not something you've ever done in this part
6. 04:39:162 (1) - yes it's not following the vocals, i mistakenly used them to describe the issue because they sync up with what is responsible here, so that's my bad. said issue is the set of eight iterations of the instrumental rhythm which you are following. the points stay the same though, just without vocals being involved
7. and about these occasions 04:28:039 (3,4) - the tripples i was suggesting actually are made up from actual to me very noticable 1/4 sound from the same instruments as the surrounding notes. but if you want to leave it unmapped, that is fine. however you shouldn't refer to the potential tripples as being overmapping as the reason to leave them out is the opposite, undermapping. for the sake of lowering the density in less intense parts, which is a common and acceptable mapping technique.

Deramok wrote:

tokiko

1. 02:26:690 (4,1) - 02:29:387 (4,1) - these two are uncharacteristically low spaced that's okay!
2. 03:46:915 (3,4) - i'd put these farther away from 03:46:578 (1,2) - for contrast. it's odd how they have less impact than 03:46:409 (6,1) - otherwise since it's an increase of intensity in the song. heck they even feel less important to play than 03:46:241 (5,6) - which shouldn't be the case. so that the spacing between the paris doesn't get too big, putting 6 a notch closer should be a good approach true, reworked a little
3. 03:57:702 (3,4) - same issue, but not as extreme don't wanna ruin the cute look of this pattern
4. 04:05:454 (1,2) - if you're going to transit to instrumental mapping at least do it at or into a new verse rather than in the middle of one. also as a whole (from 04:01:409 (1) - to 04:22:983 (1) -) the part feels lackluster coming right after the most intense one of the song and comparing it to the same part 01:49:275 (1) - here or the soundingly less intense part here 04:33:769 (1) - which is mapped more vividly still. in fact it feels more like 02:21:634 (1) - the part starting here. but it's structure is clearly different as it has more intruments, making it more intense overall and different vocal melodies.. by which i suppose the latter doesn't matter as you sadly ignore those alltogether anyway. even if it might share the same snares and kicks, it shouldn't be reduced to those. it's really a bit of a let down to have this section play so timidly like a slow bridge while it is actually the chorus. i'd really recommend upping the intensity of it overall and not just mapping the basic, underlying percussion beat. okay, remapped that part
5. 05:08:825 (1) - compared to 04:44:893 (2) - 04:58:039 (1) - 05:14:218 (1) - this one hardly has any emphasis on it while representing the song. the other three have both higher spacing and a drop-off angle, neither of which this one has, so you might want to put this one in a different place too i think it's fine

some nice ideas to be found in this map, good luck with it
even though there's not enough vocal mapping for my taste v__v

Deramok wrote:

some clarifications on points i phrased badly, i didn't explain in enough detail or were misinterpreted in some other way shape or form

1. 01:48:432 (7) - yes, there are two sounds on it, but the issue is the kind of sounds they are. you have a kick on the end and a weak synth on the head of the slider. in 01:48:938 (9) - you have it reversed, a snare on the head and a weak synth on the end, which is the prefered and more map characteristic way of doing it. putting 7's start on 6 would put the synth on a slider end and the snare on a head, just like 9 does it, and leave the kick open to be mapped via another note.
   I get your point and remake this place
2. 02:03:685 (5) - i simply can't hear a distinct sound here even if you tell me it's the vocals, i oly hear one on the end of the first slider and on the head of the next one, but nothing in between, it's a regular 1/2 beat from what my ears tell me
   Oke, I removed this note and remapped this place
3. 03:24:836 (2,1,1) - the point is, you don't map only on the wub sounds. there is no 1/4 in the wub, not even 1/2. if you only mapped that it would look like http://puu.sh/vO9bK/bcb821084c.jpg . this one 03:26:185 (1) - is (the 1/2 aspect of it, the 1/4 not really) at least excusable since there's a sole kick on the start. 03:25:511 (1) - the kick on this is part of a 3 note sounds pattern with another hit within 03:25:679 (1) - which would need to be mapped as well if you map the first one, which means that can't be used as a reason. lastly 03:24:836 (2) - is on no drum beat and no wub. the one thing supporting all of those is the synth 1/4 in the foreground, which would be comprehensibly implemented by adding notes to it's completion as described in the mod. so really it's map none or all of them. by how the map has been doing it untill here and how it does it afterwards, the first option seems more likely.
   Made a stream instead of two kick sliders
4. 04:22:983 (1) - it's not about what you're following here, what you're following, rhythmically is completely fine and in tune with the rest of the map. what i was gettig at, was how the single parts correlate very variably and seemingly without a system between each other. with parts here i only mean sets of few notes with bigger gaps between them rather than a song section. so what i was suggesting was to give them some linkage, something that connects them. that can also be isolation, but even that would need to be systematical.
   I will try it later, okay?
5. 04:49:275 (4) - now this, the reason why i though you'd mapped this on the vocal is that you skipped a beat on the red tick in 04:48:938 (3) - , which is of the same nature as for instance 04:50:454 (2) - and not something you've ever done in this part
   Put two notes instead of 4 slider
6. 04:39:162 (1) - yes it's not following the vocals, i mistakenly used them to describe the issue because they sync up with what is responsible here, so that's my bad. said issue is the set of eight iterations of the instrumental rhythm which you are following. the points stay the same though, just without vocals being involved
   Ah, you talked about making comfortable movements here, but I think it already smooth and also fun to play, if I do it more circular it will be boring
7. and about these occasions 04:28:039 (3,4) - the tripples i was suggesting actually are made up from actual to me very noticable 1/4 sound from the same instruments as the surrounding notes. but if you want to leave it unmapped, that is fine. however you shouldn't refer to the potential tripples as being overmapping as the reason to leave them out is the opposite, undermapping. for the sake of lowering the density in less intense parts, which is a common and acceptable mapping technique.
   Oh, okay, then I'll leave it unmapped because I want to make this part less intense

hopefully this clears the more seemingly nonsensical ones up, apologies for the inconvenience, decline as you will
and just in case, no kd for this ofc

1. chorus should be hard than other part …… maybe except interlude, but it's relly too easy for now, try reference https://osu.ppy.sh/s/279025 https://osu.ppy.sh/s/380764
   
2. avoid use similar colours because same colours is unrankable, adjacent colors need …… discrimination ?

1. 03:16:915 (1,2,3,4,1) - 03:22:308 (1,2,3,4,1) - try this ↓↓↓ avoid repetition/overlap/horizontal and vertical
   
   
   SPOILER

   
2. 00:33:769 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - try this ↓↓↓ avoid monotonous/stagnation
   
   
   SPOILER

   
3. 01:52:645 (3,4) - 01:53:320 (1,2) - 01:57:027 (5,1) - 03:26:185 (1,1) - you stack too many. try more different permutations, same feeling with different array. such as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166164 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166100

1. 00:57:196 (3,4) - exchange better, imo https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166319
   
2. 01:05:454 (7,8,1) - i think it's too closed
   
3. 02:13:207 (4,5) - 02:15:904 (4,5) - 02:18:601 (4,5) - ctrl g all even numbers bar more lively. all is the same, it's too monotonous
   
4. 04:01:409 (1,2,3) - I don't think it's appropriate .... and SV too slow here, imo --
   
5. 05:00:061 (1,2) - 05:10:848 (1,2) - 1/4 better, because 05:00:061 (1,2,3) - is same
   

Narcissu wrote:

i mapped the song but i fail .. because i can‘t find a BG better than ranked ver

[General]

1. chorus should be hard than other part …… maybe except interlude, but it's relly too easy for now, try reference https://osu.ppy.sh/s/279025 https://osu.ppy.sh/s/380764
   Hm, for me parts before chorus is stronger than chorus itself, so I decided to map it more intense and put kiai on these parts. Also we just wanted to make calm map for this song.
2. avoid use similar colours because same colours is unrankable, adjacent colors need …… discrimination ?
   I need all these colors for showing to players slow parts and sliders

[PandaHero]

1. 03:16:915 (1,2,3,4,1) - 03:22:308 (1,2,3,4,1) - try this ↓↓↓ avoid repetition/overlap/horizontal and vertical
   
   
   SPOILER

   
   
   But I like how my repetitive and overlap sliders emphasize wubs here ;w;
2. 00:33:769 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - try this ↓↓↓ avoid monotonous/stagnation
   
   SPOILER

   
   Since vocal here is repeating, I decided to repeat paterns and gradually increase spacing, because vocal is become louder and stronger.
3. 01:52:645 (3,4) - 01:53:320 (1,2) - 01:57:027 (5,1) - 03:26:185 (1,1) - you stack too many. try more different permutations, same feeling with different array. such as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166164 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166100

You right, I stacking a lot, so it's become a system and I can't see anything wrong with it
[*]after you have an idea, you will repeat the idea once and once ... no matter how great your idea is, repetition is boring
Boring, but effective

Narcissu wrote:

[tokiko]

1. 00:57:196 (3,4) - exchange better, imo https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8166319 ok
   
2. 01:05:454 (7,8,1) - i think it's too closed actually that's okay
   
3. 02:13:207 (4,5) - 02:15:904 (4,5) - 02:18:601 (4,5) - ctrl g all even numbers bar more lively. all is the same, it's too monotonous yeah,
   sure
   
4. 04:01:409 (1,2,3) - I don't think it's appropriate .... and SV too slow here, imo -- just wanted to follow the vocals one time
   
5. 05:00:061 (1,2) - 05:10:848 (1,2) - 1/4 better, because 05:00:061 (1,2,3) - is same i don't think i understood you correctly

jonathanlfj wrote:

sorry for the delay

[General]
There is not much green in the background, so I'd say swap the green combo colours for something else (a hue of purple would be nice)
Oh, sounds like a good idea

[<3]
00:43:881 (3,4) - there are really strong 1/4s here that shouldn't be ignored imo, see if you can swap this part out for some 1/4 slider patterns?
01:27:365 (1) - make the end soft hitsound so it doesnt stand out
01:47:926 (5) - NC
03:09:921 - there is a 1/4 beat here that would be nice to cover
03:37:140 (1) - should be a finish on the start
04:13:881 - i dont think this one was meant to be 5% volume? Also the previous slider ends are better to be soft sample to get the right silencing effect
04:28:039 (3,4) - this part would be cool if it were two fast 1/4 sliders (similar effect as 04:25:342 (1))
04:38:320 (4,5) - the thing you did with smaller spacing is cool, but some patterns later on starts to get too close (e.g. 04:47:758 (2,3)), its a little deceiving so maybe you can up the spacing slightly?



Really nice concepts in this one, only thing that concerns me a little is the wub section at 03:15:567; the short straight 1/4 slider patterns feels too underwhelming and repetitive for a section with this much variance. I recommend you try some red node sliders as well as direction changes that are non-linear (for example, tokiko's section with similar rhythm is excellent due to the use of subtle direction changes)

jonathanlfj wrote:

hello my russian friend

[<3]
01:04:780 (1,2,3,4,5) - curving this a bit more makes it smoother to play sure
03:48:263 (2) - if you curve this one upwards it creates a nice wrap around effect (also makes it look like an eye xD) okk
03:52:645 (1,2) - seems you ran out of playfield area to place the circle at a natural angle, in this case i would just stack it i can't remember why i did that overlap but yeah, stacked
05:11:353 (3,1) - this is surprisingly hard to play without a 100 on the slow slider, you can rotate 05:11:522 (1) counterclockwise so the start is closer to 05:11:353 (3) Demetori - Kuuchuu ni Shizumu Kishinjou ~ Counter-Clock World

Naotoshi wrote:

hi! i have some questions about this map!

the main one is just explained by this: 03:15:567 - why is this section mapped completely differently from 04:55:342 - ? the sv is totally different, like it's 2 different maps stuck into one.

The reason why these two parts mapped in a different way is a mood of the song. Wubs in my part are more loud and bright than in tokiko's part, so I decided to use high sv and tried my best at mapping wubs. His part is calm, because song is almost over, that's why he used a lower sv than in my part.

yes, it's a collab, but that doesn't mean you should completely abandon any concept of consistency through the map.

this repeats on every part; it's like you both mapped the song, but with completely different techniques, rhythms and patterning.

Just one simple question: if our parts is so different, why you didn't separate your suggestions for two people but wrote it as a one wall of text?

We used about the same rhythm, slider forms and spacing. Only one thing that is different are the patterns, but I can't see anything wrong with it, we shouldn't map as a one person.



other random stuff

01:49:780 (2,3) - this offbeat thing doesn't really fit with your rhythm in the section cuz you're generally focusing on vocals (like 01:53:320 (1,2,3,4,5) - for example) and this one skips over one

When I mapped this part I thought I follow the drums oO

03:15:567 - this entire section - completely ignoring the melody in the part where the melody is perhaps the strongest is not really a good choice imo. you *can* follow the random background wubs entirely and completely ignore what makes the song a song and not just a bunch of sounds, but a better way to go about things would be to incorporate the background track into the melody
the 1/1 gaps feel especially lame and underwhelming; you finish following these super fast long sliders and then sort of waddle on down slowly to the next one, there isn't really any feeling of pressure or constant motion so the effect of the high sv is completely lost i think.
this is also the reason why I mapped wubs on 03:15:567 and igonre the melody that I already mapped in the first kiai

Wubs is the strongest thing I hear in this moment, so I decided to map it and ignore other sounds. I understand that this decision is unusual for the modern mapping, but it works well with my style imo. Also this is the same rhythm as in tokiko's part, so we keep consistency in that way

04:28:039 (1,2,1) - minor thing but why are these kicksliders, this section is quite calm so using kicksliders suddenly seemed out of place

These kicksliders came with Jonathan's mod and have the same effect as this slider - 04:25:342 (1), it emphasize background wub sound.

anyway yeah, i think the ridiculous lack of cohesion is a really big detriment to this map; i told himei the same thing when he asked me to check this, and i told you as well when you asked me; seems like nothing i said was taken into account =/

not gonna pop cuz i'm gonna be dead for a month, but please, to any next bn, take this into consideration: the map is half of the song mapped by one person in one style and the other half mapped by another person in a completely different style with no internal consistency between the 2 parts.

• In blue/purple 01:28:039 - 01:30:061 - 01:32:084 - these are circles with 1/4 gaps after 3/4 sliders, but in red/pink that idea is completely gone. 03:40:174 - is now the head of a 1/2 high sv slider, 03:42:196 - a slider tail of a 1/1 with low sv and 03:44:218 - is also a slider tail, for example. There's no sight of any 3/4 with a circle stacked under the tail anywhere.
  
  Then in red/pink there's an sv concept which isn't used in the blue/purple part. 03:39:836 - is high SV, represented by brighter colors, and 03:41:859 - is lower, instead represented by dimmer colors. This is nowhere to be seen in the other section. 03:41:859 - and is now much more distinct than 01:29:724 - , despite being the same parts in the song. 01:33:095 - and 03:45:230 - would also have different expressions, making it seem like they're equally different in the song.
  
  Red/pink had an interesting idea at 03:47:926 (1,2,3) - , but because it's the only instance of this pattern in the map, it becomes sort of sudden and unexpected. If 01:35:792 - was done in the same way, and this would be introduced earlier in the map as well, players would probably recognize it faster. Same idea can be applied to 01:22:814 (4,6) - and it's visuals compared to 01:17:421 (4,6) - and 01:20:117 (1,1,1,1) - .
  
  Meanwhile blue/purple has 01:28:207 (3,4) - 01:33:601 (3,4) - 01:38:994 (3,4) - as stacked slider heads, yet red/pink has them as circles instead 03:40:174 (2,3,4) - 03:45:567 (2,3,4) - 03:50:960 (2,3,4) - . Anyway you get the idea.

Naxess wrote:

I understand you're different mappers and map in different ways, but that's not an excuse to have two same parts in the song be this different in the map. This is the reason for the pop.

Delis wrote:

elbis I prefer old bg

m3gB3g wrote:

Me too

Naxess wrote:

The part from 01:27:702 - to 02:10:848 - is completely different conceptually than from 03:39:836 - to 04:22:983 - , despite being the exact same parts in the song. It would be much better in my opinion if the two parts were consistent. They don't have to be the same, but they should at least be recognizable and similar in principle. I understand you're different mappers and map in different ways, but that's not an excuse to have two same parts in the song be this different in the map. This is the reason for the pop.