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R3 Music Box - Byakumu no Mayu ~Ricordando il passato~

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Nozhomi
Fixed some more NCs around.
Title should be : 白夢の繭 ~Ricordando il passato~


@Vad2009 : remove the soft-hitnormal, it sounds better without it, and would respect more guidelines : Avoid keysounding without hitnormal support. If hitsounds blend perfectly with the song, feedback is minimal.

That's all, call me back.
Okoratu
nah, instead, use you could use https://puu.sh/w0HkM/b463289fb3.wav as soft-hitnormal.wav

delete soft-hitwhistle.wav and use the default whistles instead and then remove a bunch of whistles and only whistle on sounds like 00:00:863 - 00:02:079 - 00:02:281 - 00:02:484 - 00:03:295 - etc.

here's a sample of what that would sound like: https://puu.sh/w0Hrh/f9c2163e3c.osz
i think that's much more friendly on the ears and fixes what nozhomi takes issue with.
Vad2009
Thanks much, i got your point. Tried to fix everything you mentioned, should be fine now (i haven't slept for several days tho, so i hope i haven't missed or messed something up).
Nozhomi
Well seems k for me, I don't think I missed smth (at least I hope ^^' )
Hitsounds sounds much better indeed.

Good luck~
Okoratu
this is not what i meant at all, 00:48:700 (7) - has a random sliderwhistle

also, the default whistle sounds so much better than the thing you just moved to claps lol
00:07:349 (1,2,3) - are hitsounded differently than all the other patterns like that

overall i'd just, as i said you could just get rid of the soft-hitwhistle which you seem to have moved to soft-hitclap
the problem i have with the thing you have on claps now is that its pitch almost never really fits the song's instruments

Wafu had the following to say:
"I'll tell you what bothered me in the map. Pretty much only the hitsounds.
He's using incorrect sounds most of the time.
Which sounds really awkward, if you hear the same chromatic sound so many times in a row."

basically what he meant, which i agree with is that that whistle thing kinda hurts the ears because it doesn't mix too well with the song
Vad2009

Okorin wrote:

this is not what i meant at all, 00:48:700 (7) - has a random sliderwhistle

also, the default whistle sounds so much better than the thing you just moved to claps lol
00:07:349 (1,2,3) - are hitsounded differently than all the other patterns like that

overall i'd just, as i said you could just get rid of the soft-hitwhistle which you seem to have moved to soft-hitclap
the problem i have with the thing you have on claps now is that its pitch almost never really fits the song's instruments

Wafu had the following to say:
"I'll tell you what bothered me in the map. Pretty much only the hitsounds.
He's using incorrect sounds most of the time.
Which sounds really awkward, if you hear the same chromatic sound so many times in a row."

basically what he meant, which i agree with is that that whistle thing kinda hurts the ears because it doesn't mix too well with the song
In my defence i could say, that i haven't moved old hitwhistle onto clap sound. They actually have different pitch if you check it - this was the whistle (http://puu.sh/w1nao/4090f85922.wav) and this was the clap (http://puu.sh/w1nbf/e5d8ffa939.wav). I thought they should fit cause of different pitches of the instrument in the song, but well, alright i'll remove them completely (top 10 saddest anime deaths).
Wafu
I've just had a little session with Okorin and we talked about this map. We agreed that there are several issues that should still be resolved.

Red = Not allowed/potentionaly causing DQ
Bold = Mostly important, partially subjective, address this properly
Regular = Subjective opinion, try it out but don't obey my opinion if yours is essentially different

[General]
  1. Remove the bgfull.rar from /sb folder.
[Hard]
  1. 00:02:890 (6) - Sliders such as this one don't represent the song correctly. The sound on its end sounds off from sounds at 00:02:890 - and 00:02:484 - . Having a slider at 00:02:484 - would make sense, but this one not. I recommend using a slider at 00:02:484 - instead or removing the slider completely, this applies to 00:15:862 (6) - as well. Removing the slider completely would be a better choice as you haven't been using any sliders in similar parts.
  2. 00:30:052 (1,2,3) - Increasing the spacing while the song gets calmer for sake of symmetry makes very little sense. Relevance to the song should always have a higher priority than a symmetrical design.
  3. 00:55:187 (1,2) - Having two circles here instead of a slider makes it quite disconnected from 00:52:754 (1,2,3) - which is quite related to this part. I recommend making it into a circle as you've done for 00:20:322 (1,2,3,1) - . This is different from 00:07:349 (1,2,3,1,2) - , where using two circles is okay.
  4. 01:04:640 (1) - You should probably use a silent hitnormal for the sliderend as it lands on no sound and therefore having it audible doesn't sound so well.
  5. 00:11:403 (4) - This slider doesn't represent the song correctly. The click emphasis at 00:12:214 - seems to be missing, it's present in the rest of the map though, so this feels out of place.
  6. 00:46:268 - After this point, the spacing is increased for no apparent reason. The intensity of the song remains the same as 00:33:295 - which is an identical part.
[Normal]
  1. 00:23:565 (2) - Sounds too quiet. It's the only place where 10% volume is used (apart from the end), it's very hard to hear.
    Other difficulties have this at 15% and it sounds well.
  2. We believe that some parts should be more simple. 00:05:119 (2,3) - and 00:37:552 (2) - is not necessary, it will only lead to random miss. You are only using it 2 times, so it's very surprising.
  3. Also, check the whole map for some circles that are not needed. There are places where they following too quiet sounds, so you can use them somewhere else, where it fits more. Don't be afraid of using 2/1 sliders, it could make the map a bit more interesting.
[Easy]
  1. The map is very inconsistent. Some parts are very active, like 00:20:322 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you have a lot of clicking and you suddenly go to 00:25:187 (3,4,1,2) - . Then you have 00:46:268 (1,2,3,4) - and suddenly go to 00:49:511 (1,2,3) - (this one is really an important one) Try to take a few more looks at the map and make it more consistent, map the same amount of things in every section. Don't just change things at random.
  2. 00:17:079 (1,2,3) - This is similar to above, but mainly the slider at 00:18:295 (2) - should be different. The rhythm you have to play is very unclear, especially for Easy.
  3. 00:13:025 (4,1) - This part can be a bit confusing for easy. The circle doesn't lead to the slider and the player may click the head of slider. Try to move it somewhere else, so it's easy to understand.
  4. 01:01:701 (4,1,2,1) - You should improve the spacing here. You have some weird changes here. For example, the time between two objects is longer,
    but spacing is lower. You should take a more careful look at this.
Feel free to PM me or Okorin if you didn't understand anything or need our help. We'll be happy to explain you everything.
Personal note: I believe that Hard is relatively fine, needs a bit of polishing, but there are serious issues in Easy and Normal that should be fixed before this should be qualified.
Okoratu
I like how i told him to use more simplified english and the sentences are still really long, if you have troubles comprehending stuff, then feel free to ask lmao
Vad2009

Okorin wrote:

I like how i told him to use more simplified english and the sentences are still really long, if you have troubles comprehending stuff, then feel free to ask lmao
Don't worry, we have some good translators over here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Okoratu
anything happening here ??
Quadrocake
Eiji won't have access to PC until Monday because of health, so map isn't abandoned.
Topic Starter
EijiKuinbii
it's not dead
Lama Poluna
очень красиво ;w;

00:07:343 - unsnapped timing line xd
Topic Starter
EijiKuinbii

Wafu wrote:

[General]
  1. Remove the bgfull.rar from /sb folder. Done
[Hard]
  1. 00:02:890 (6) - Sliders such as this one don't represent the song correctly. The sound on its end sounds off from sounds at 00:02:890 - and 00:02:484 - . Having a slider at 00:02:484 - would make sense, but this one not. I recommend using a slider at 00:02:484 - instead or removing the slider completely, this applies to 00:15:862 (6) - as well. Removing the slider completely would be a better choice as you haven't been using any sliders in similar parts. I tried to vary stuff and also i feel like using slider tails is more pleasant way of representing music here
  2. 00:30:052 (1,2,3) - Increasing the spacing while the song gets calmer for sake of symmetry makes very little sense. Relevance to the song should always have a higher priority than a symmetrical design. Fixed
  3. 00:55:187 (1,2) - Having two circles here instead of a slider makes it quite disconnected from 00:52:754 (1,2,3) - which is quite related to this part. I recommend making it into a circle as you've done for 00:20:322 (1,2,3,1) - . This is different from 00:07:349 (1,2,3,1,2) - , where using two circles is okay. Fixed
  4. 01:04:640 (1) - You should probably use a silent hitnormal for the sliderend as it lands on no sound and therefore having it audible doesn't sound so well. Fixed
  5. 00:11:403 (4) - This slider doesn't represent the song correctly. The click emphasis at 00:12:214 - seems to be missing, it's present in the rest of the map though, so this feels out of place. actually that down beat is not that strong to be 100% clickable and i feel like reverse slider here fits nicely
  6. 00:46:268 - After this point, the spacing is increased for no apparent reason. The intensity of the song remains the same as 00:33:295 - which is an identical part. Fixed


[Normal]
  1. 00:23:565 (2) - Sounds too quiet. It's the only place where 10% volume is used (apart from the end), it's very hard to hear.
    Other difficulties have this at 15% and it sounds well. Fixed
  2. We believe that some parts should be more simple. 00:05:119 (2,3) - and 00:37:552 (2) - is not necessary, it will only lead to random miss. You are only using it 2 times, so it's very surprising. in my opinion using stacks in normal is necessary for newbies to progress in this game
  3. Also, check the whole map for some circles that are not needed. There are places where they following too quiet sounds, so you can use them somewhere else, where it fits more. Don't be afraid of using 2/1 sliders, it could make the map a bit more interesting. everything seems ok for me, sounds are audible enough


[Easy]
  1. The map is very inconsistent. Some parts are very active, like 00:20:322 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you have a lot of clicking and you suddenly go to 00:25:187 (3,4,1,2) - . Then you have 00:46:268 (1,2,3,4) - and suddenly go to 00:49:511 (1,2,3) - (this one is really an important one) Try to take a few more looks at the map and make it more consistent, map the same amount of things in every section. Don't just change things at random. 00:07:349 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I felt like this is a kiai section and mapped it more intensively than the others, also i think it is pretty consistent through parts..
  2. 00:17:079 (1,2,3) - This is similar to above, but mainly the slider at 00:18:295 (2) - should be different. The rhythm you have to play is very unclear, especially for Easy. rhythm is pretty easy here, remade 00:49:511 (1,2,3) this though
  3. 00:13:025 (4,1) - This part can be a bit confusing for easy. The circle doesn't lead to the slider and the player may click the head of slider. Try to move it somewhere else, so it's easy to understand. Fixed
  4. 01:01:701 (4,1,2,1) - You should improve the spacing here. You have some weird changes here. For example, the time between two objects is longer,
    but spacing is lower. You should take a more careful look at this. spacing changes accordingly to timing changes so I think it is suitable here
Nozhomi
I think suggestion for sliders like 00:02:890 (6) - in Hard is important for the reason Wafu said before, in addition you did it for 00:19:106 (5,6) - so that's quite weird to do it differently two times.

Also in Easy, 00:20:322 (1,2) - could be a 2/1 slider to indeed make this section a bit less dense.
00:18:295 (2,3) - should be swaped imo like this https://puu.sh/wpMbA/30a60f01dd.png to have 00:18:700 - clickable. Same for 00:50:727 (2,3) - ofc and other if there's more.

Rest seems k.
Call me back~
Topic Starter
EijiKuinbii

Nozhomi wrote:

Also in Easy, 00:20:322 (1,2) - could be a 2/1 slider to indeed make this section a bit less dense. Music is also quite high density there, so it's pretty fine as it is now, I think
The rest is fixed, including a storyboard
Nozhomi
Seems good now yes.

Have it back~
Wafu
There's still a couple of things about easy you probably misunderstood and I'd like to explain them.

EijiKuinbii wrote:

[Easy]
  1. The map is very inconsistent. Some parts are very active, like 00:20:322 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - you have a lot of clicking and you suddenly go to 00:25:187 (3,4,1,2) - . Then you have 00:46:268 (1,2,3,4) - and suddenly go to 00:49:511 (1,2,3) - (this one is really an important one) Try to take a few more looks at the map and make it more consistent, map the same amount of things in every section. Don't just change things at random. 00:07:349 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - I felt like this is a kiai section and mapped it more intensively than the others, also i think it is pretty consistent through parts.. "Feeling" that it's a kiai section means that the song has probably changed in intensity, but it hasn't changed. The problem is that more objects in one part and very few objects in other part make it inconsistent. 00:25:187 (3,4,1,2) - is quite fine, because there are fewer significant sounds. But 00:17:079 (1,2,3) - or 00:49:511 (1,2,3) - are plain insensible, especially if you map it twice in this inconsistent and rhythmically vague way, while one time, you map it very well at 00:36:538 (1,2,3,4) - . I'd understand a little difference for sake of variety, but this is mapped as if these were two seperate things, but they're the same.
  2. 00:17:079 (1,2,3) - This is similar to above, but mainly the slider at 00:18:295 (2) - should be different. The rhythm you have to play is very unclear, especially for Easy. rhythm is pretty easy here, remade 00:49:511 (1,2,3) this though Explained above.
  3. 01:01:701 (4,1,2,1) - You should improve the spacing here. You have some weird changes here. For example, the time between two objects is longer,
    but spacing is lower. You should take a more careful look at this. spacing changes accordingly to timing changes so I think it is suitable here Here, the problem is that you're relying only on the distance snap, which gets messed up because there are the timing changes. Spacing at 01:01:701 (4,1,2) - gets lower as the song suggests, but then you have this weird increase because of longer pause between notes at 01:04:640 (1) - . That makes it insensible with the song. This is minor issue, but I think you didn't understand it well.
Also, denied kudosu to Lama Poluna. We appreciate the effort, but as it was an inherited point before an object, it means moving it exactly at its position is not going to make any difference whatsoever. Unsnapped inherited points are absolutely okay unless they are late. I'm sorry, but we don't consider this to be any helpful, hence not deserving a kudosu.

Try to answer these issues again, I think you might understand it better now. Will recheck it once this is addressed.
Topic Starter
EijiKuinbii

Wafu wrote:

[Easy]
  1. "Feeling" that it's a kiai section means that the song has probably changed in intensity, but it hasn't changed. The problem is that more objects in one part and very few objects in other part make it inconsistent. 00:25:187 (3,4,1,2) - is quite fine, because there are fewer significant sounds. But 00:17:079 (1,2,3) - or 00:49:511 (1,2,3) - are plain insensible, especially if you map it twice in this inconsistent and rhythmically vague way, while one time, you map it very well at 00:36:538 (1,2,3,4) - . I'd understand a little difference for sake of variety, but this is mapped as if these were two seperate things, but they're the same. I added 00:25:998 (4,1) - sliders that are identical 00:58:430 (4,1) - this in a similar moment, I think this solves the problem
  2. Here, the problem is that you're relying only on the distance snap, which gets messed up because there are the timing changes. Spacing at 01:01:701 (4,1,2) - gets lower as the song suggests, but then you have this weird increase because of longer pause between notes at 01:04:640 (1) - . That makes it insensible with the song. This is minor issue, but I think you didn't understand it well. fixed, I think
Wafu
We fixed a few objects that were overlapping with UI on Easy and Normal, mapper fixed a few minor overlaps on their own. Issues mentioned in my last post (p/6091508) were now fixed properly. Seems alright now!
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