Thievley wrote:

Hello, finally going to mod this! sorry it's been a while 🍆


[frost's Advanced]

1. I think in general your combos are too short, it'd be better for them to last about 8 ticks maybe? Combos all follow the song.
   
2. 00:23:069 (1) - I get what you were trying to do in this section but I don't think there is really a need for the short combos, it's emphasized enough. Just following the song.
   
3. 00:28:618 (2) - Place this on y:213 so it's horizontal to 00:27:924 (1) ? Want it to be horizontal to 00:28:965 (3)
   
4. 00:38:676 (3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - I think the worst thing about copy/paste patterns is that if you overuse them, they become very repetitive on the grid as well and you end up not moving anywhere. Movement should be encouraged! I'll keep this in mind in the future when I make easier difficulties, however this song is very repetitive/boring for this section. Also, I am not sure what you mean by movement, since this section uses the entire grid.
   
5. 00:57:751 (2,3) - Why not make them parallel, you're already using hella straight sliders so it'd be good to make them look nicer. Okay.
   
6. 01:01:913 (4,5) - Not very good placement, if you could somehow align the starting circles that'd be better. I'm not sure what you mean but I did something + This part is different now.
   
7. 01:00:525 (2,1) - Could have stacked these ends to avoid the slight overlap. Stacking is good. This part is different now.

[frost's insane]

1. You don't need all those short combos tbh... Following the song.
   
2. 00:23:762 (1,2) - avoidable overlap, stack or move a note Fixed.
   
3. Emphasize this note 00:29:658 (2,3) - with proper distancing This is not meant to be emphasized.
   
4. 00:30:525 (2,1) - Why such huge distance, it's inconsistent with the distance you more or less use in that section It is not, this has more or less the same spacing and they all play the same. I changed the first 2 seconds but the spacing goes down by 0.04x.
   
5. 00:29:051 (2,1) - Stack if you can I changed the way the beginning of the section is so this should be okay now. By the way, before I changed it, this point is contradictory from your previous point, because it just makes the DS from the previous note higher.
   
6. 00:30:699 (1,1) - Overlap, stack? Won't work, and its unnoticeable.
   
7. 00:30:352 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Please don't just combo whenever you feel like it, I know you're trying to do something creative with the combos but it really isn't necessary... I'm not comboing whenever I feel like it, it's just an interpretation that still properly follows the song.
   
8. 00:45:785 (2,1) - You really need to be more consistent with how you space these rhythms in the music honestly, like with some there is not enough distance but with this one it's like BAM, FAR You're making it sound like this jump's spacing is way higher than the other jumps with this sound; it is not far. I nerfed this a little, but they are all roughly the same spacing and play the same.
   
9. 00:51:335 (2) - This one is sorta acceptable since you're leading into a whole other section of the song, but yeah it's little things like that that you want to be careful about and have a pattern of sorts.
   
10. 01:02:086 (1,2,3) - It'd make sense if these were more or less the same distance apart since it's the same kind of rhythm but it's obvious 3 is distanced more than the first two? I nerfed this, but there is a clear "getting more intense" sound here, so 2 and 3 doesn't have same space as 1 and 2
11. 00:22:375 (1) - It doesn't make much sense to me that you suddenly decided to not map the faint 1/4 sounds in the music here. It's actually kinda disappointing when playing it because you go from INTENSE to not so intense... This is 1/6, I've tried making this intuitive before and it didn't work out. But I increased the spacing, cause this is the kiai.
    
    I think at the least you should have kick sliders leading in to these beats 00:22:722 (3,3) - instead of just plain old 1/2 circles That just makes it overmapped.

man you guys love straight sliders and linear patterns Not really, I'm just basing it off the theme the host established and I don't think you can do many sliders for a song like this
WORK ON AESTHETICS, you got this! I hope I helped you a bit.

-Jordan- wrote:

taru's Extra

00:25:323 (2,3) - 00:26:017 (2,3) - You should give these patterns even spacing like how you do with patterns like 00:29:484 (2,3,4) - 00:30:005 (2,3,4) - (and pretty much everywhere else in the map) The spacing increases to emphasize the increasing pitch in the melody

00:29:311 - 00:40:410 - In this section here for the patterns like 00:29:484 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - i see you switched between the triples coming after each other, then 00:32:259 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the triples coming behind each other. Then in the next section (00:40:410 - 00:51:508 - )you only used the first style and didn't alternate it and then for the last 2 you did something completely new with them facing different directions with 00:50:295 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - . Is there a reason you broke the pattern you established, and simplified the mapping for the section after it? To me this seems inconsistent and I think you should have developed the pattern you use at 00:50:295 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in this section. The part after 00:40:410 has a slightly different and more "stalling" feel in the music in my opinion, so I used less variations for those. The last pair is unique to emphasize the approaching climax

-Jordan- wrote:

Mod from my queue, bad mod sorry

Couldn't find anything in lower diffs.

Raise the OD and AR on Icebolt's Insane? They seem low for a 01:08 4.43* map. He said "don't raise"

Hard

00:02:259 (1,2,3,4) - since the melody is a 3 note pattern on 00:02:432 (2,3,4) - I think that you should represent this, instead iof just doing two 2 note stacks, since 00:02:259 (1,2) - aren't related. I don't think this needs changing since there are other sounds to back up this pattern.

00:23:069 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why is this pattern linear, but the rest of the copy paste patterns in this section are not? In the rest of these, you change direction every time but not in this one. Fixed

No Refuge

00:09:890 (1) - 00:10:583 (1) - Spacing between these should follow the spacing of 00:08:502 (1) - 00:09:196 (1) - 00:09:890 (1) - . Since that is what you did here 00:02:953 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1) - . Fixed

00:11:277 - Why is this section so identical to taru's. Actually I think taru's section is harder than your top diff for this section with the way it uses flow and overlaps. I don't think that parts between your own diffs and guest diffs should never be almost the same and you can't really map a part like this in many different ways.

00:22:664 (3,4) - why don't you map 00:22:548 (2) - as a 1/6 slider since there is actually a quiet noise at 00:22:606 - . Will also make the rhythm a lot more understandable because when I tested this the sounds they are mapped to were really quiet, I played them like a triple since I couldn't figure out the proper rhythm. Only when I started modding did I realise. Can't really tell if it helps reading the rhythm since I mapped it myself but I hope it does. Fixed

00:29:311 - In this section I think you can do something similar to taru's difficulty by doing something like ctrl+g some of the triple patterns because I think what this section needs is some more variety since the rhythm and placement is very repetitive. And if you disagree with the map not being varied enough then taru's diff does this though. Keep it consistent throughout the set. Not changing anything here for now, might just remap the entire part at some point if it becomes a problem.

01:04:687 (1,2,3,4,1) - Smaller jumps than taru's difficulty. taru's diff ends 2 measures later so I think this is not a problem.

Irreversible wrote:

Really like that song

Normal

00:11:277 (1,2) - Those two sliders don't really compliment each other, maybe it would be cool if you could introduce some paralellity, since the song also seems more controlled and subtle here. Fixed
00:19:600 (1) - Despite the downbeat being here, I suggest removing this NC and add it 00:20:988 (2) - because I feel like this part deserved more "attention" than 00:19:600 (1) - . 00:19:600 (1) - also appears to be part of 00:16:826 (1,2,1) - , so there's that. Fixed
00:27:924 (1,2) - To express the heavy instrument, I suggest that people will be able to follow the flowline of 00:27:924 (1) - to it's fullest, so you should move it above the slider and adjust the rest. Fixed

well structured.

Hard

00:00:179 (1) - I admired the way you structured your normal, there was a very special feeling when you've only used straight sliders for the begin. Don't you want to adapt it into this difficulty? I feel like you could gain al ot of structure with it. (To make it easier, you could as well just add a red dot and make the curve to a corner :p) My thought process when mapping normal and hard was that I alternate between straight and curved sliders for each section, but more frequently in hard.
00:25:150 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Even though 123 are arranged in a straight manner, slider 3 somehow kills that illusion. Maybe you can adjust it so it actually looks like a straight line. I see what you mean but it shouldn't be a big problem.
00:34:687 (4,1) - Why did you go for a stack here? The finish speaks against it. I suggest unstacking to emphasize the finishes better! (goes for all like dat) Changed them into normal jumps.
00:51:508 (1) - If you decide to adjust what i've firstly suggested, don't forget this part. X

non-one EX

00:02:259 (1,2,3,4) - Refer to taru EX While it would fit the song better, I think the patterning I have right now is better in general and the music still supports it, at least in my opinion.
00:00:179 (1) - love the emphasis in this part! same
00:22:548 (2,3,4) - Similar to above, I feel like this part is incredibly odd to play. I even feel like if you made 1/6 bursts it would play more fluent than what you currently have, which seems like a real combo breaker. If you could arrange this (along with taru ex) the spread would be really bomb. Applied the 1/6 burst idea, should be fine now. Also the map gained 0.1 stars when I changed this.


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basically it's the same error spread around the diffs, so maybe if you could consistently fix that, then i'd have no trouble in pushing it.

Irreversible wrote:

taru EX

00:02:259 (1,2,3,4) - Please refer to what i've written to Icebolt EX, goes for all these patterns! I see what you mean by how you don't see the 1st note belonging in the pattern. How I've always seen it, 1 and 3 are strong drums, and 2 and 4 are strong melodic instruments. The melodic sound from 2 is just extended over 3, so the circles in the pattern this way simply alternate between two different strong instruments. It becomes hard to balance if I try to alter the emphasis for the separate sound elements here (every of which I perceive as strong).
00:11:797 (2,3,4) - Hmm... while it might be appropriate for this difficulty level, I'm wondering why yours has it and the highest diff doesn't. Generally I feel like this difficulty is a really good spread..maker? lol, like it is kind of similar to the highest level. So I don't see why this is unique to this diff. Can't really say I like these 1/8 sliders anyway tho, so maybe remove them..? xD The 1/8s clearly are in the music, so I chose to include them without really affecting the gameplay. It's not up to me how other mappers in the set chose to interpret the song here. I would personally feel worse leaving notes unrepresented instead.
00:23:242 - I'm sorry, but I simply cannot agree with this rhythm here. It is really extended for nothing, there is too much going on here and applying this suggestion here http://puu.sh/xzQrp/408bc7cb32.jpg , it will sound and probably play better. Please consider this (all instances). Changed, and it does feel better.

cute

Irreversible wrote:

Really like that song

Icebolt

00:39:022 (1) - small ds error Fixed.

pretty impressive, i like it - especially 00:22:375 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - is really cool :)

Icebolt EX

00:05:034 (1,2,3,4) - Hmm, i'm a bit irked by those forming a pattern. 1 musically doesn't belong to them, 234 should form an autonomous pattern frmo my point of view! Basically kinda what taru said, she put it in better words more than I could. (Also you and non-one talked about it)
00:07:809 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
00:10:583 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
00:21:681 (1) - Maybe could increase the spacing a bit here to emphasize the progressing emphasis. Fixed.
00:53:589 (1,2,3,4) - yeahh.. same etc. etc.

Nice structure again, this one pattern doesn't quite fit the system though.

1. 00:24:629 (2,3,4,5) - this (and one other similar one) are somewhat different than 00:23:935 (2,3,4,5) - and similar ones.
   My suggestion is to try incorporating some change here, like a different shape or idk... It's relatively minor anyway

1. 01:01:219 - you could start decreasing spacing a bit more noticeably, the song is calming down after all...

1. 00:41:624 (4,1) - heh, this flow is really awkward considering you always went for more natural ones (notice the almost 180 degrees turn to catch the slider here, while the others are really small angles). Ctrl G this? You can Ctrl G 2 too and move 3-4 stacked on 1's head
2. 01:01:913 - volume here is already decreased by a good amount, but no visual change into patterns happens. Maybe try to make the reducing more noticeable?

1. 00:59:832 - all diffs so far seemed to have a hard time reducing DS here for some reason lol. If the song changes make it noticeable. The hardest part is not even this one so it's not like it changes much the overall star rating either

MrSergio wrote:

doesn't seem like much needs to be done here.
Just a few things

Top diff:

1. 00:24:629 (2,3,4,5) - this (and one other similar one) are somewhat different than 00:23:935 (2,3,4,5) - and similar ones.
   My suggestion is to try incorporating some change here, like a different shape or idk... It's relatively minor anyway Flipped the patterns horizontally, hopefully it works, and the difference is already represented by lower spacing.

Hard:

1. 00:59:832 - all diffs so far seemed to have a hard time reducing DS here for some reason lol. If the song changes make it noticeable. The hardest part is not even this one so it's not like it changes much the overall star rating either Made the spacing a bit lower here.

big mod

MrSergio wrote:

doesn't seem like much needs to be done here.

Icebolt:

1. 00:41:624 (4,1) - heh, this flow is really awkward considering you always went for more natural ones (notice the almost 180 degrees turn to catch the slider here, while the others are really small angles). Ctrl G this? You can Ctrl G 2 too and move 3-4 stacked on 1's head Applied your suggestion.
2. 01:01:913 - volume here is already decreased by a good amount, but no visual change into patterns happens. Maybe try to make the reducing more noticeable? Yeah, fixed.

MrSergio wrote:

taru's Extra:

1. 01:01:219 - you could start decreasing spacing a bit more noticeably, the song is calming down after all... Adjusted

taru wrote:

MrSergio wrote:

taru's Extra:

1. 01:01:219 - you could start decreasing spacing a bit more noticeably, the song is calming down after all... Adjusted

MrSergio wrote:

Visually nothing much changed tho x.x

how spacing should decrease imo

01:01:913 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9203752
01:03:126 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9203758
01:04:687 - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9203764
01:05:988 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9203769
01:07:548 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9203771

Adjusted again. This time I made the spacing decrease mathematically at the same rate as the hitsound volume decreases during the fade. I don't see any more reasonable way to do it.