1. The mapset really feels like it disconnects from one difficulty to another. The Insane feels a lot more well thought out, and doesn't just focus on one direction for most of the map. Misanthropy feels like the grid snap was on for the whole thing. and while you can argue that it's just the style, it just doesn't feel like it's as thought out as the other difficulties, due to their usage of varying patterns. The only thing really tying the whole difficulty together is the fact that all the patterns are diagonal. This doesn't make for a good experience in play, since it's just the same thing for ~2:30m. Stuff like 00:29:512 - to 00:31:779 - , etc feel like you're just recycling the same patterns throughout the entirety of each rhythm's duration. Whilst in the Insane, the patterning is at least somewhat different across each verse. ie 00:28:989 - to 00:31:779 - Even though it's the same pattern copied and pasted, it flows a lot better due to the angles used.
   
   
2. 00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here. Major example being 00:43:640 - and 00:43:989 - . This jump feels quite massive in comparison to any of the other 1/4 jumps that you've used, and is a whole lot harder to feel comfortable in play, and flow wise. Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle. The flow movement aspect between a lot of your 1/4 jump patterns feel rather arbitrary, and inconsistent. In terms of movement, the difficulty would also benefit from more consistently using angled sliders and patterns. This would provide at least some sort of consistency throughout the while copied and pasted patterns present. Going beyond that, using non angled sliders, curves, anything really, would increase emphasis and add much more flow to patterns like 00:49:919 - and 00:50:268 - , or 00:55:500 - and 00:55:849 - .
   
   
3. The hitsounding also feels kind of mediocre. I understand that you're using just the default hitsounds, but when you're also spamming the drum finish for everything, it makes all the sounds sound alike, when in reality, they are not. For example, in the kiai he could switch from spamming the finish to using the soft whistle for the bells in the melody, so they stand out more. Or really, any other sound choice would be nice, considering it all just sounds like one big mess right now. ( 00:29:861 - , 00:31:256 - , 00:34:047 - , etc) Something else that I noticed was how there's no variation between the different finishes that the song provides. The best example would be when there's quite audibly, three different finishes being used at 01:13:681 - , 01:14:374 - , and 01:15:068 - , yet only the default drum finish is used. Even an occasional soft finish would work well to break up the monotony of these hitsound choices.
4. Due to your choices with excessively using the grid, the playability of patterns suffer, and it's not even for the sake of aesthetics. Having things so straight makes creating emphasis to other things not only not play well, it devalues the interpretation of the pattern. It's not really that big of a concern since everyone does this now, but the top difficulty is quite heavily copied and pasted. Yes, you can say, well it's for consistency, but it doesn't even feel like it's for consistency due to the fact that when it's repeated, the patterns aren't even angled the same way, throwing the player off in terms of expectancy.
   
   
5. Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this, they lose a lot of emphasis, even though the song is consistently changing. ie 01:24:160 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1) - focuses just on one side of the grid, and doesn't change with the song's intonation at all. Most of the patterns feel like they're all following the same rhythmic layer, even though they're very clearly not, making some of the rhythms harder to read than others. 02:08:832 - Hanzer stream into a normal stream with this type of spacing is quite easily misread due to how the mapper earlier mapped the double rhythms. Instead of having everything parallel or vertical, they could have made use of different variations of rotations, which would not only improve gameplay, it would also make for better visual opportunities and variation.

Gordon123 wrote:

Привет, вижу что у тебя тут намечается Qualy и хотелось бы немного помочь, я не БН, но все же)
Смотрел карты(уже ранкнутые) на эту же песню и увидел в тегах иероглифы и задался вопросом, а почему у тебя их нету?
В общем :
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BMS : http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
Artist : LeaF https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7
Illustration : セシル◇タイト https://twitter.com/ceciltite
Movie : 想起 https://twitter.com/recallv
Тебе всего лишь стоит при следующем апдейте (когда будут давать квали) добавить:
официального автора иллюстраций LeaF - セシル◇タイト
официального автора муви(видео) LeaF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYCQrXx8hLw вот оно кстати) - 想起
а так же команду LeaF - 孤高クローバー
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Metadata proofs(если будут просить,но у тебя все нормально) :
1) https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7/alice-in-misanthrope
2) http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
В случае если ты уже знал/-ла про все это, то стоило бы уже давно добавить эту информацию!

eiri- wrote:

Hello.

I feel like there are some general issues with the top two difficulties. But most notably, Misanthropy. (Hitsounding as well.)

Main issues are: Grid usage, patterning / emphasis, and movement.

1. The mapset really feels like it disconnects from one difficulty to another. The Insane feels a lot more well thought out, and doesn't just focus on one direction for most of the map. Misanthropy feels like the grid snap was on for the whole thing. and while you can argue that it's just the style, it just doesn't feel like it's as thought out as the other difficulties, due to their usage of varying patterns. The only thing really tying the whole difficulty together is the fact that all the patterns are diagonal. This doesn't make for a good experience in play, since it's just the same thing for ~2:30m. Stuff like 00:29:512 - to 00:31:779 - , etc feel like you're just recycling the same patterns throughout the entirety of each rhythm's duration. Whilst in the Insane, the patterning is at least somewhat different across each verse. ie 00:28:989 - to 00:31:779 - Even though it's the same pattern copied and pasted, it flows a lot better due to the angles used.
   
   
2. 00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here. Major example being 00:43:640 - and 00:43:989 - . This jump feels quite massive in comparison to any of the other 1/4 jumps that you've used, and is a whole lot harder to feel comfortable in play, and flow wise. Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle. The flow movement aspect between a lot of your 1/4 jump patterns feel rather arbitrary, and inconsistent. In terms of movement, the difficulty would also benefit from more consistently using angled sliders and patterns. This would provide at least some sort of consistency throughout the while copied and pasted patterns present. Going beyond that, using non angled sliders, curves, anything really, would increase emphasis and add much more flow to patterns like 00:49:919 - and 00:50:268 - , or 00:55:500 - and 00:55:849 - .
   
   
3. The hitsounding also feels kind of mediocre. I understand that you're using just the default hitsounds, but when you're also spamming the drum finish for everything, it makes all the sounds sound alike, when in reality, they are not. For example, in the kiai he could switch from spamming the finish to using the soft whistle for the bells in the melody, so they stand out more. Or really, any other sound choice would be nice, considering it all just sounds like one big mess right now. ( 00:29:861 - , 00:31:256 - , 00:34:047 - , etc) Something else that I noticed was how there's no variation between the different finishes that the song provides. The best example would be when there's quite audibly, three different finishes being used at 01:13:681 - , 01:14:374 - , and 01:15:068 - , yet only the default drum finish is used. Even an occasional soft finish would work well to break up the monotony of these hitsound choices.
4. Due to your choices with excessively using the grid, the playability of patterns suffer, and it's not even for the sake of aesthetics. Having things so straight makes creating emphasis to other things not only not play well, it devalues the interpretation of the pattern. It's not really that big of a concern since everyone does this now, but the top difficulty is quite heavily copied and pasted. Yes, you can say, well it's for consistency, but it doesn't even feel like it's for consistency due to the fact that when it's repeated, the patterns aren't even angled the same way, throwing the player off in terms of expectancy.
   
   
5. Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this, they lose a lot of emphasis, even though the song is consistently changing. ie 01:24:160 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1) - focuses just on one side of the grid, and doesn't change with the song's intonation at all. Most of the patterns feel like they're all following the same rhythmic layer, even though they're very clearly not, making some of the rhythms harder to read than others. 02:08:832 - Hanzer stream into a normal stream with this type of spacing is quite easily misread due to how the mapper earlier mapped the double rhythms. Instead of having everything parallel or vertical, they could have made use of different variations of rotations, which would not only improve gameplay, it would also make for better visual opportunities and variation.

Nitpicking aside, a lot of concepts that were introduced could be polished, and better brought out with more mods and paying more attention to different layers of the music. This especially applies to things that you have hitsounded. (ie 01:21:631 - and 01:21:718 - are hitsounded like a double, yet the patterning is in the form of a triple. Feels quite misleading tbh.)

Murasaki Nova wrote:

Whole extra diff fully represents music and no, grid snap has not been used once since when the mapping has started till the bubble, all of that has been done manually following the concept easily seen on the map.

eiri- wrote:

None of your response actually addresses any of the playability or hitsounding concerns that I raised. It just states that you wanted to use different concepts. While that is valid, that's not the issue at hand here.

Fouriose wrote:

Onto the hitsounds. So does the kiai part looks like it really follows the the main rhythm? I understand the idea of hitsounding each sound with individual hitsound and all of that but with such variety of sounds, pitches etc. it wouldn't be really possible to make it sound good and keep consistent in all diffs so I had no choice but to come up with something that could follow the rhythm on all (almost, except for easy and normal) diffs and also make different parts in contrast with each other where it is needed.

And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.

MaridiuS wrote:

Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

MaridiuS wrote:

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.

So if I as rank 15k that can easily play the map says the same things eiri- did, my arguments are automatically more valid? The concern is not that the patterns are hard to play, the concern is that they're not fun or intuitive to play because the movement is quite arbitrary and spacing sometimes is really off. eiri- has provided examples for this. Also, would you be kind to stop the passive-aggressiveness? You try to make people involved look like idiots with the "Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess." or "And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward" and does nothing helpful to the discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.

You're underestimating how often people use custom hitsounds on tbh. +Having those parts as whistles will even help those people with custom skins because who knows how loud their finish is. Default soft-hitwhistle may do the job perfectly.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.

I mean this is a mapping thread that serves for mapping discussion, does it state anywhere that we're only supposed to mod individual patterns? eiri- has clearly presented all issues and stuff that mapper could not be aware off. General modding may help the mapper in much better way than few individual patterns that stick off. Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

Murasaki Nova, look we're not trying to pressure you, we're just trying to make you understand the concerns and that the map has a lot of room for improvement. Please don't be biased because it has BN approval, as I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into. The patterns are just randomly clustered and you don't separate new patterns for new sound grouping in the map which may make the patterns distinct, avoid clutterness therefore increasing the quality of the map. In case you'd like, I can offer you some concrete examples with argumentation to why in irc if you're up to it.

Fouriose, a common technique is to simply hitsound difficulties of the map differently because they may end up following different layers. There's no issue in hitsounding the top diff and lets say hard in a different manner if they make sense with the map.

MaridiuS wrote:

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.

So if I as rank 15k that can easily play the map says the same things eiri- did, my arguments are automatically more valid? The concern is not that the patterns are hard to play, the concern is that they're not fun or intuitive to play because the movement is quite arbitrary and spacing sometimes is really off. eiri- has provided examples for this. Also, would you be kind to stop the passive-aggressiveness? You try to make people involved look like idiots with the "Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess." or "And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward" and does nothing helpful to the discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.

You're underestimating how often people use custom hitsounds on tbh. +Having those parts as whistles will even help those people with custom skins because who knows how loud their finish is. Default soft-hitwhistle may do the job perfectly.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.

I mean this is a mapping thread that serves for mapping discussion, does it state anywhere that we're only supposed to mod individual patterns? eiri- has clearly presented all issues and stuff that mapper could not be aware off. General modding may help the mapper in much better way than few individual patterns that stick off. Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

Murasaki Nova, look we're not trying to pressure you, we're just trying to make you understand the concerns and that the map has a lot of room for improvement. Please don't be biased because it has BN approval, as I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into. The patterns are just randomly clustered and you don't separate new patterns for new sound grouping in the map which may make the patterns distinct, avoid clutterness therefore increasing the quality of the map. In case you'd like, I can offer you some concrete examples with argumentation to why in irc if you're up to it.

Fouriose, a common technique is to simply hitsound difficulties of the map differently because they may end up following different layers. There's no issue in hitsounding the top diff and lets say hard in a different manner if they make sense with the map.

Fouriose wrote:

And about my way of refering to people, that "does nothing helpful to the discussion". So do mods without clear point in their existence. Since the bubble has been popped mapper is no longer ignorant according to you, so now it is clearly opened for any quality suggestions. Imo mods should have clear structure with clear statement of problem, why is it a problem or why this is not acceptable and a solution to this. Isn't that way easier and prevents useless argues like that: you give clear mod with clearly seen point in it - and recieve clear answer, people like to overcomlicate things

Fouriose wrote:

Common technique isnt the only one am I right? So if this hitsounding does not violate any rules what's about it, surely I'm not the one to decide but you know, opinions.

Murasaki Nova wrote:

Where's the pressure on me? Did anyone mention that? All I did is just answer about concept concerns. There was no statement why is that a mistake all it was is "that pattern looks random". Speaking of mods and improving the map, you said you could help, sure I'd gladly accept any help to really make it better. Unfortunately I don't have much time atm on irc so if you don't mind it I'd prefer forum mod even if it'll took more time

Fouriose wrote:

And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely.

Stefan wrote:

Fouriose wrote:

And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.

Yes, nobody really needs creativity and consistency.

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely.

If I consider the movie being garbage, my opinion doesn't count because I am not a movie critic? So by the logic as long at least one player in the entire world can play the map it is good - doesn't matter if the rest disagree. :thinking:

eiri- wrote:

Hello.

I feel like there are some general issues with the top two difficulties. But most notably, Misanthropy. (Hitsounding as well.)

Main issues are: Grid usage, patterning / emphasis, and movement.

1. The mapset really feels like it disconnects from one difficulty to another. The Insane feels a lot more well thought out, and doesn't just focus on one direction for most of the map. Misanthropy feels like the grid snap was on for the whole thing. and while you can argue that it's just the style, it just doesn't feel like it's as thought out as the other difficulties, due to their usage of varying patterns. The only thing really tying the whole difficulty together is the fact that all the patterns are diagonal. This doesn't make for a good experience in play, since it's just the same thing for ~2:30m. Stuff like 00:29:512 - to 00:31:779 - , etc feel like you're just recycling the same patterns throughout the entirety of each rhythm's duration. Whilst in the Insane, the patterning is at least somewhat different across each verse. ie 00:28:989 - to 00:31:779 - Even though it's the same pattern copied and pasted, it flows a lot better due to the angles used. Same sound - same style of patterning. Consistency. In insane these are following more the style of movement in contrary to top diff that you has mentioned as concerning where it focuses on both patterns and movement resulting in a similar patterns
   
   
2. 00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here. Major example being 00:43:640 - and 00:43:989 - . This jump feels quite massive in comparison to any of the other 1/4 jumps that you've used, and is a whole lot harder to feel comfortable in play, and flow wise. Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle. The flow movement aspect between a lot of your 1/4 jump patterns feel rather arbitrary, and inconsistent. In terms of movement, the difficulty would also benefit from more consistently using angled sliders and patterns. This would provide at least some sort of consistency throughout the while copied and pasted patterns present. Going beyond that, using non angled sliders, curves, anything really, would increase emphasis and add much more flow to patterns like 00:49:919 - and 00:50:268 - , or 00:55:500 - and 00:55:849 - . 00:40:151 Pitches anyone? 00:40:151 (1) - Pitch goes down so does the slider, 00:40:500 (2,3) - two pitch-ups so do the sliders, 00:41:198 (4) - pitch down and so does the slider, so I have no idea why would these type of sounds should be flowy. This part stands out a lot so should be mapped accordingly and 00:43:640 (1) - after this the intensity starts to rise so the map should reflect this. Also this spacing is not that scary as may seem if the slider leniency is taken into account so the spacing is actually about 5 arrows of default skin which does not ruin the jump as real 7 arrow jump would. Flow wise that's just a regular flow since 00:43:989 (2) - may be played as a straight slider from head to tail (and is played that way since no one follows the curve of that type of sliders unless they are slow enough) so flow there has the "V" shape that is not uncomfortable. "Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle". Seems like you were referring to 00:41:547 (1,2,3,4) - same pitch logic is applied here but since this part goes down as a whole while remaining similar vocal pattern as previous it cannot be mapped the same way.
   
   
3. Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this, they lose a lot of emphasis, even though the song is consistently changing. ie 01:24:160 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1) - focuses just on one side of the grid, and doesn't change with the song's intonation at all. Most of the patterns feel like they're all following the same rhythmic layer, even though they're very clearly not, making some of the rhythms harder to read than others. 02:08:832 - Hanzer stream into a normal stream with this type of spacing is quite easily misread due to how the mapper earlier mapped the double rhythms. Instead of having everything parallel or vertical, they could have made use of different variations of rotations, which would not only improve gameplay, it would also make for better visual opportunities and variation. So patterns managed to cover like 70% of the playfield in five seconds and you consider that cramped you want these patterns to cover 90% of the playfield or something like that? I don't that can be realized outside the 6* jump maps. Also considering misheard sliders logic I don't think we should be arguing about changes in intonation. 02:08:919 (2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is basically a prolonged version of 02:15:984 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - that requires its own pattern since this does not appear in the map, also this is the same type of patterning of this kind of streams just a little longer and is not covered or overlapped so I'm not sure how that could be misread.

eiri- wrote:

Due to your choices with excessively using the grid...

eiri- wrote:

Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this...

MaridiuS wrote:

I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into.

Nao Tomori wrote:

hitsounding - w/e. not gonna argue about this, customs are nice additions, defaults are fine too.

playability - just being able to play something does not imply that opinions are valid or invalid. experienced mappers who have many ranked sets or spent a lot of time in editor analyzing maps can definitely find concerns without "being able to play the map." the "elo" you are looking for in this type of discussion is not playing skill but rather mapping and analysis skill, which is separate from that.

regarding the map -
i think i agree on some of the 1/4 jump things, stuff like 00:49:919 (1,2) - feels quite awkward to play due to the movement needed, while others like 00:49:221 (1,2) - lead into each other and are much more comfortable. Yes back and forth movement is much more easy to play but these 2 sliders represent 2 similar sounds and the back and forth part has different sounds.

i think screen use can also be a bit better, but that's not really a huge deal imo. it doesn't feel particularly awful to me anyway...

biggest issue imo is aesthetics and organization of patterns, things like 00:22:351 (1,2,3,4,1) - which uses different angles looks weird even though there's a clear purpose for the different angles. i think it makes it look really rigid and strange. the jump patterns like 01:02:302 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - also play a bit oddly due to different angles between the jumps that seem to not be organized in a logical way - there is a downwards progression but spacing goes up, and the angle between things are quite weird... 00:22:351 (1,2,3,4,1) - did that to represent the only one really low part of the song 01:02:302 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Fixed

01:05:616 (3) - this is also comboed inconsistently btw lol no since that part really stands out from other jumps in that section + there's vocals

01:26:253 (1,2,3) - this pattern ends up playing pretty weakly because the player will just stop halfway through the 1 slider and go to 2. moving 2 down like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10865379 would be better in terms of making the player actually follow 1 slider. Done

01:36:370 (2,3,4) - i do think these triples are pretty awkward, they don't sound supported and white-red is pretty weird to play imo. better to just use a slider maybe? Agree, this triple really stands out but imo it really needs to be like that because it represents 3 strong beats and reverse slider would remove a lot of tension since that is kiai part, and that may be kind of misleading

01:49:277 (1,2,3,4) - this angle is really strange to play, mostly cuz it's wide angle and the rest are sharp angles Yup, fixed

01:54:945 - skipping that =(

anyway i dont think the issues are really as serious as ayyri thinks, but there is still room for improvement. there is a lot of logic to the patterns but imo it lacks cohesion in terms of how those patterns play, which just needs practice...

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

whew, at least please give credits to whatever map you used theirs BG and mp3 ...

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

that's my edit for the BG, exclusively for Kawawa's map, the art isn't mine however, but it's still my edition, yet I know the original pixiv artist actually, it was for this BMS song, without text on it

And what about "internet?" means? jeez, sounds like you sacarms me over not knowing things from this song.