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Murasaki Nova
I just mapping slowly and rethink much stuffs (^^#)

gary00737
hello , i camo from ?????????



Insane

01:53:460 (5) - I think this distance should not be reduced will only increase (Ok, I'll increase the spacing)
01:54:506 (4) - ^ (^)



OMG .I only found this question .
I think this is a good map!!
I learned some of the spectrum ;)


Thanks for the short mod OwO



Ellyu
Sry I don't like the song that much so I will only mod 2 diffs sry ;w;w;w;w;and I am not familiar with this style too.

[General]
u forget costom colors expect nyu's easy Ooops

[Misanthropy]
why every stream is straight?
make ur jumps more colorful plz. what i see is jump to and fro at every where.
00:05:203 (1,2,3,4) - what the firetruck is that space changing? I can't see any problems with spacing there
00:10:087 (5,6) - try to put a 1/2 slider instead cuz I don't feel there is a heavy beat on the blue tick (Yes, that's defenitely better, fixed)
00:29:001 (2) - miss a new combo (Fixed)
00:45:222 (6,7,8,1,2,3) - i feel better to change ur flow at (8) instead of (1). and same with nc. 1/4 stream splited in 3 3 1 is very hard to heat,especially the heavy beat here is on (8) (I decided to make it straight to avoid argues in the future)
01:04:844 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - wtf (Now that's an explained mistake)
01:21:367 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2) - 01:24:158 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2) - same as before. i think better to split them in to 2 4 4 or 4 4 2 (I emphasised rhythm change and rising tension with 3 3 3)
02:07:270 (4,5,6) - better not to put stream jump at a triplet (02:07:446 (6) - Is a strong beat, I can't see any bad thing in it especially for low bpm)


Thanks for your mod, this was short but useful still.



Daoski
Hey! Mod req from PM wooooooooo! :) You asked me to help mod your flow, but there's no such thing as a map with bad flow in osu. I think the only reason some maps have bad flow cause the spacing concept for it is aesthetically/structurally legal but not that friendly to play like in yf's Expert from this mapset https://osu.ppy.sh/s/466550, or any high star rating hollow wings' map since their ideal structuring for maps is very unique and legally correct as well but not exactly friendly.

I'll still try and make 1 comment on the flow of each diff tho ;)

BTW: I personally think the star rating gap (as well as the skill level gap) between your Insane and Hard is too high (even if it is linear from Normal --> Hard (+1.3*) to Hard-->Insane (1.3*)) I highly suggest you fit in a low 4.1-4.3* insane here to balance the spread.

I can fill it in for you if you want me :kappa: But seriously though, if you ever consider adding diffs to balance the spread, I am definitely down to map any star diff

I will probably look at all of your diffs so please do expect me to continue adding on since I'm too weak to mod all your diffs in 1 sitting


Hard


Flow: seems ok, maybe some jumbled circle placement here and there but that doesn't ruin your maps flow since it's an aesthetics-related problem.

00:05:901 (3,1) - i am quite sure the gap between this can be filled very easily with something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7940901, i don't think it's good to gap there when there are some very dominant sounds coming into the next more intense section of the song :O (I think not, since 00:05:901 (3) - emphasises one sound but reverse would emphasise two)

00:16:366 (8) - can you add new combo here (Fixed)

00:20:937 (1,2) - blanket slider #2 partially around the slider end of #1 properly please :D (Fixed)

00:26:013 (10,1) - i think u should definitely add more spacing between these two notes (since it's lower than the average spacing of your objects so far) (Fixed)

00:38:419 (4,5) - blanket these properly please (ik its tricky to but i mean... you might as well if you're going to place them in very close blanket-able positions like that) (I will remap this part most likely)

00:44:350 (5) - add new combo here (Fixed)

01:02:490 (6) - add new combo here too (Fixed)

01:04:583 (3) - here as well especially since you are introducing a mapping structure to the player (1/4 sliders with 1/2 gaps) just like you new combo'd for this part here 01:31:832 (1,2,3,4) (Fixed)

01:58:431 (1) - u need to move this back so its on the white tick (Fixed OwO)

too lazy 2 mod, dont bother for kds if u dont want to lolz

Thanks for your mod!



-Alcaida
Привет!
[Misanthropy]
00:07:645 (8,9) - Лучше не стоит после трипла стакать 1\2 как 1\4(Хочется троечку прожать) (Скорее даже не то, что хочется прожать трипл, а просто не подходит к концепции, fix)
01:32:879 (3,4) - ^ (^)
01:35:670 (3,4) - ^ (^)
02:21:751 (1,2,3) - ^ (Это конец карты и тут очень слабое напряжение, как и отсутствует сильный фон на заднем плане, но если еще кто-нибудь напишет, то уберу OwO)
01:04:844 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - можешь перемпишь этот момент?? (Он соблюдает концепт карты и на каждом прыжке сильный бит, не вижу в нем соверешенно ничего плохого)
01:21:367 (4) - nc (в начале стрима по концепту не ставится NC принципиально, так что думаю не стоит)
[Insane]
00:31:617 (7) - Мне кажется, или нота как-то криво стоит(подровнять со слайдером) (Хм, действительно криво, fix)
00:43:478 (4) - Зачем ds уменьшил??Ты же вроде увеличиваешь расстояние между ними (Не заметил эту 00:43:652 (1) - fixed)
00:56:211 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Может со спейсингом похимичишь, как и в предыдущем стриме (Там идет чередование стримов по форме и спейсингу потому что они различаются по звуку, вот перед ним он же 00:50:629 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4))
01:42:123 (6) - Может новое комбо на этих слайдерах??(как в ласт диффе) (Думаю не стоит злоупотреблять NC, тем более, что это красный тик)
01:54:506 (4) - Сомнительное уменьшение спейсинга (Уже оговаривалось в предыдущем моде)
[Hard]
00:04:331 (4) - может сделаешь так, чтобы он не перекрывал слайдер??(Н Е К Р А С И В О) (Не вижу в этом эстетически ничего плохого, но в джамп паттерне 00:04:331 (4,7) - выглядит коряво, так что это место переделаю, возможно и слайдер тоже)
00:45:222 (10) - Может слайдер на 1 тик удлинишь?? Там звук есть ещё (OwO исправил!)
01:58:431 (1) - передвинь в 01:58:344 - Он отсюда должен начаться (Упс, исправил OwO)

(За гд кудосу давать не надо(Бакари сказал)) :thinking: IRC mod

Удачи! ^_^


Спасибо за мод и кудосу \о/ и тебе удачи!



Electoz
Hi, from my modding queue~

[General]

  1. Combo colours missing in some diffs zz (You have writtem that in previous mod)
[Normal]

  1. 00:06:162 (4) - I don't see the need to be risky with this lol, you didn't map this in Hard anyways. (Moved the slider end to white tick)
  2. 00:16:191 (4) - 00:16:714 (5) - Could NC on either of these considering you did that on every downbeat. (Fixed)
  3. 00:28:478 (3,1) - DS (Whoops, fixed)
  4. 00:37:373 (1) - Could mislead players when combined with 00:31:792 (1) lol, better do one of these on both places so it's not too confusing. (Made them both follow one concept)
  5. 00:45:048 (3) - Can be a longer slider cuz it's not really the sound happening at that spot is held longer than 00:44:350 (1,2) so a longer slider can reflect that. (Did exactly like you said)
  6. 01:01:792 (2) - Shouldn't this be the same rhythm as 00:59:001 (2,3) according to how you variated things 00:47:141 (1) - 00:49:931 (1) - 00:52:722 (3,4) - 00:55:513 (1,2) - every two times? (I will either change the variation concept or will fix that timing)
  7. 01:07:373 (3) - Optional but 2 circles could work here too, just suggesting my idea lol (I think for the begginers playing slider would be easier to play, so I'll stick with slider there)
  8. 01:31:832 (4,5) - 01:34:623 (1,2) - Better stick with DS on these places. (Fixed)
  9. 01:49:972 (3) - NC (Fixed)
  10. My biggest concern here on this is aesthetics:
    1. 00:06:598 (1,1) - 00:10:784 (1,1) - General thumb rule when mapping with DS is that you shouldn't trap yourself into an overlap like these, they badly ruins aesthetics cuz those overlaps won't look tidy and intentional. (Overlaps should be intentional otherwise things will be pretty much random everywhere in the map so yeah) (Even this big spacing may be considered an overlap? Woah, k, I'll fix the aesthetics there)
    2. 00:20:584 (1,2,1) - Try to pay more attention to visual spacing, following DS is fine but in this case it's not good enough, something like this would be a lot better cuz I gave more visual spacing between 00:20:584 (1,1) so it looks cleaner, you can try to apply that with lots of things like 00:47:838 (2,1,2) - 00:52:722 (3,4,5) - 01:29:739 (3,1,2) - etc as well. (I though that for the diffs like easy, normal and hard you should use DS all the time, but apparently I can make small adjustments to keep the asthetics alive, thanks on that one)
Although Easy and Normal aren't made by the same mapper, this diff could have been more gimmicky with things considering the potential used in Easy

[Hard]

  1. 00:10:784 (8) - 00:13:575 (6) - 00:16:366 (8) - NC I guess. (Fixed)
  2. 00:42:955 (1,2,3,4) - Appreciate the idea but should be something different from 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4) - 00:41:560 (1,2,3,4) cuz there's no spooky vocals anymore so you should do something else to differentiate that, something like this could work, spamming circles like 00:44:350 (3,4,5,6,7) also somewhat works. (I will apply your suggestion it will make the diff more interesting)
  3. 00:42:955 (1,2,3,4) - 00:44:350 (5,6,7,8,9) - Actually both of these should have the same rhythm considering you did that with 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4) - 00:41:560 (1,2,3,4) - already. (My bad, will fixed that)
  4. 00:47:838 (3) - 00:48:187 (4) - These two are clearly different rhythm-wise, shouldn't be mapped in the same way, making 00:47:838 (3) a triplet starting at 00:47:838 would already work fine. Same also applies to 00:53:420 (3,4) . (I think it may make the map harder. I'll think about it)
  5. 01:05:280 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - This is clearly more intense than your slider pattern things in previous measure so you should do something different on this to indicate the change in intensity, changing sliders to circles or increasing the spacings between these sliders could work. (Ok, I'll increase the spacing)
  6. 01:58:431 (1) - Pretty sure this isn't intentional for starting this on the blue tick lol. (You have writtem that in previous mod)
The biggest problem I have is that these sections 00:06:598 - 00:29:001 are mapped in almost the same way which you should be more creative with potential the song provides, try to think of it as a whole section and do something more different between them, could be aesthetics, spacings, rhythms, or whatever. Same also applies to how these sections 01:19:274 - 02:09:542 as well.

[Insane]

  1. 00:14:621 (9,10,1) - Shouldn't this be the same as that back and forth thing like 00:09:040 (1,2,1) ? Because you're consistently doing these 00:07:645 (5,6,1) - 00:13:226 (5,6,1) then I don't see any reason to be inconsistent with this one.
  2. 00:09:040 (1) - 00:14:621 (9) - Also be more consistent with your NCs pls (Fixed)
  3. 00:20:584 (6,7) - A 2/1 slider instead of this would play better cuz the sound at 00:20:584 is more fitting to hold with a slider if you ask me, also to be consistent with 00:17:761 (1) . (I don't think so. If I replace 00:18:113 with 00:17:761 (1) there will be a drum sound, but on the 00:20:937 there is a piano sound which I emphasise)
  4. 00:22:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Try not to space these so much when you spaced these 00:17:761 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) a lot smaller lol, a drastic difference in spacing isn't a good thing when the rhythm isn't different. (Lowered the spacing , changed pattern)
  5. 00:22:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Also not sure what are you going for by doing both things 00:22:349 (1,2,3) - 00:22:878 (4,5,6,7) - in one pattern lol just stick to one of these I guess. (^)
  6. 01:39:507 - Why you ended kiai here but not 01:38:809 like the other diffs tho? (Fixed)
  7. 00:26:211 (1,2) - 00:26:908 (3,4) - The pattern is repeating itself yet you did overlaps differently, should be more consistent with minor details tbh (Fixed)
  8. 00:28:478 (9) - Kind of anti-climatic for a build up, 3 circles would be more fitting as an introduction to a new section with a higher intensity. Stuff like 00:34:059 (5,6,7) would work too but up to you I guess. (Fixed)
  9. 00:30:571 - Don't skip this lol (Yep, that's better, fxied)
  10. 00:29:873 (5,6,7) - 00:31:269 (5,6,7) - etc. Should be more consistent with your spacing on these 3 circles, 00:30:048 (6,7) - 00:31:443 (6,7) - are spaced so differently despite being the same thing, and I don't even know if this is meant to have an equal spacing considering you tried to do a triangle with it. Should be more consistent with spacings when you're doing the same thing, 00:35:455 (5,6,7) - 00:36:850 (5,6,7) should be taken care off as well. (Fixed)
  11. 00:43:478 (4,1) - 00:44:176 (4,1) - Actually you should prioritize on emphasizing these with bigger spacings than the rest lol (Fixed)
  12. 01:02:838 (2,4) - Shouldn't do this cuz you always made them clearly different in earlier measures 00:48:536 (1,2,3) - 00:49:234 (4,5,6) - 00:54:117 (1,2,3) - 00:54:815 (4,5,6) but this one looks visually ambiguous lol try to come up with something else. (I didn't get what you meant, can't see any problem there)
  13. 01:07:722 - Should be clickable. (Looks interesting)
  14. 01:24:856 (1,2,3) - Why are you making this a pattern and not other places like 01:22:065 (1,2,3) - 01:30:437 (5,6,7) when the same/similar rhythm is happening. (Fixed)
  15. 01:54:856 (1,6) - Inconsistent NCs (Fixed)
  16. So basically my point of these suggestions is you should be more consistent with whatever you're doing when the rhythm is similar/same, and try to focus more on using spacings for emphasis.
Gonna stop here lol or it will be too much to process, there might be many typos in my mod so yeah sorry with that in advance. With that said, I hope you can learn a lot on this, try to focus more on what I’m trying to say first, and then applying comes later. That way you can learn a lot more from my suggestions, good luck~

Thanks for the great and useful mod! ヽ(*・ω・)ノ
LimePixel
Hi! Random mod since I like the song a lot :)

[nyu's Easy]
00:37:373 (1) - Replace with 2 sliders or some circles? On Easy diffs don't do more than 1 repeat.

[Normal]
01:17:530 (3,4) -Replace these 2 circles with a slider. Fits much better because everywhere else in before this point you have single circles between sliders, and here you have 3 in a line.

[Hard]
00:04:331 (4,5) - These are on top of each other. Space out

[Insane]
00:05:552 (2) - Ctrl+Shift+R 30 degrees?
02:03:228 (5) - Replace with stream and continue last stream?

[Misanthropy]
01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Streams aren't needed. Looks overmapped
01:55:553 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Same with this
^^^ There are fewer sounds than 02:01:135 (1,2,3,4,5) for example.

Hope this helps :)
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

LimePixel wrote:

Hi! Random mod since I like the song a lot :)

[Normal]
01:17:530 (3,4) - Replace these 2 circles with a slider. Fits much better because everywhere else in before this point you have single circles between sliders, and here you have 3 in a line. (That's a completely different section, there's the beginning of the new rhythm, in addition 01:17:356 (2,3,4) - 01:28:518 (2,3,4) - 01:37:763 (2,3,4) - are all the same and represent the same rhythm with the strong beats being main)

[Hard]
00:04:331 (4,5) - These are on top of each other. Space out (In other places i've added spacing, that one I've missed, fixed)

[Insane]
00:05:552 (2) - Ctrl+Shift+R 30 degrees? (I'm afraid it won't fit the concept of the map, it's all about "chaos" not symmety)
02:03:228 (5) - Replace with stream and continue last stream? (I'm not sure yet, will take that into consideration but I personally think it's too much for 5* map)

[Misanthropy]
01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Streams aren't needed. Looks overmapped
01:55:553 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Same with this
^^^ There are fewer sounds than 02:01:135 (1,2,3,4,5) for example.
(Yes I know about that, it's was mentioned dozens of times already, but it's that exact diff's concept. Tension there is on constant rising so I expressed that with streams getting more and more difficult and with the long stream at the very end of that section. If I would have made jumps there this long stream would not fit)

Hope this helps :)
Basically, the timings you mentioned are correct, but the do not fit the concept. Nevertheless, thanks for the mod!
7ambda
cool map

[Misanthropy]
  1. 00:08:430 (3) - Nudge this closer to (1) sliderbody. It's a bit off from forming perfect symmetry with the slider.
  2. 00:12:180 (1) - Ctrl+g, since it would keep acute-angle flow with the jumps.
  3. 00:37:025 (8) - this would look nicer if you had it mirrored along the x-axis with 00:36:850 (7,9)
  4. 01:04:583 (1,2) - so that this flows less awkwardly, copy/paste (3,4), then Ctrl+j and Ctrl+h
  5. 01:04:844 (3,4) - You know what would be nice? If you could indicate that this is mapped to both strong beats, while 01:05:018 (5,6) and 01:05:193 (7,8) have a weaker sound in the first note, then a stronger sound on the second note.
  6. 01:05:629 (1,2) - Just so the jumps don't clutter as much with 01:04:844 (3,4,5,6,7,8), you should have the circles in the first jump spaced equally with 01:05:280 (8,9), so that 01:05:280 (8,1) has equal spacing with 01:05:978 (3,5), and vice versa with 01:05:455 (9,2).



    oh, and i just noticed that each mirrored green combo isn't symmetrical

  7. 01:32:356 (1,2,1,2) - 01:34:885 (1,2,1,2) - I think these set of doubles would look nicer if these were as far apart as the last set of doubles. It would also align 01:35:408 (1,2) in the path of 01:36:018 (1) sliderhead.
  8. 01:37:763 (2) - Move downward. The fact that it's overlapping with (4) could give the impression that it's a double.
  9. 01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:53:809 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:54:332 (1,2,3,4,5) - I wouldn't recommend mapping these as 1/4, since the most prominent sounds are on white and red. Blue sounds are less audible, and less important in comparison to the half beat, so don't give those equal importance.
  10. 02:05:321 (1,2,3) - it would feel nicer if each slider had equal spacing
  11. 02:08:844 (1,2) - 02:09:019 (3,4) - should be symmetrical
  12. 02:15:995 (1,2) - 02:16:170 (3,4) - ^
  13. 02:09:019 (3) - 02:09:193 (5) - 02:16:170 (3) - 02:16:344 (5) - NC to show that there are instruments you're emphasizing. Otherwise, it looks like a random mess of circles.
  14. 02:22:449 (1,2,3,4,1) - there aren't any additional instruments, only the piano, so no hitsounds
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

F1r3tar wrote:

cool map

[Misanthropy]
  1. 00:08:430 (3) - Nudge this closer to (1) sliderbody. It's a bit off from forming perfect symmetry with the slider (Can't do anything about that, any none shift will "kill" the pattern and the concept)
  2. 00:12:180 (1) - Ctrl+g, since it would keep acute-angle flow with the jumps. (Done)
  3. 00:37:025 (8) - this would look nicer if you had it mirrored along the x-axis with 00:36:850 (7,9) (I can't see any improvement in the overall aesthetics so I'll keep as it is now)
  4. 01:04:583 (1,2) - so that this flows less awkwardly, copy/paste (3,4), then Ctrl+j and Ctrl+h (Fixed)
  5. 01:04:844 (3,4) - You know what would be nice? If you could indicate that this is mapped to both strong beats, while 01:05:018 (5,6) and 01:05:193 (7,8) have a weaker sound in the first note, then a stronger sound on the second note. (I think increasing spacing there emphasises it good enough)
  6. 01:05:629 (1,2) - Just so the jumps don't clutter as much with 01:04:844 (3,4,5,6,7,8), you should have the circles in the first jump spaced equally with 01:05:280 (8,9), so that 01:05:280 (8,1) has equal spacing with 01:05:978 (3,5), and vice versa with 01:05:455 (9,2) (Fixed)



    oh, and i just noticed that each mirrored green combo isn't symmetrical
  7. 01:32:356 (1,2,1,2) - 01:34:885 (1,2,1,2) - I think these set of doubles would look nicer if these were as far apart as the last set of doubles. It would also align 01:35:408 (1,2) in the path of 01:36:018 (1) sliderhead. (Interesting idea I will probably do so if it won't cause problems with actual gameplay)
  8. 01:37:763 (2) - Move downward. The fact that it's overlapping with (4) could give the impression that it's a double (The whole map follow the same concept with jumps, I don't think it can cause any problem considering it's a relatively low bpm map)
  9. 01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:53:809 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:54:332 (1,2,3,4,5) - I wouldn't recommend mapping these as 1/4, since the most prominent sounds are on white and red. Blue sounds are less audible, and less important in comparison to the half beat, so don't give those equal importance (I was said before, these streams emphasise the last long stream, this stream would've looked stupid and confusing without them, in other less hard difficulties there will be jumps)
  10. 02:05:321 (1,2,3) - it would feel nicer if each slider had equal spacing (I'll try to remap this one)
  11. 02:08:844 (1,2) - 02:09:019 (3,4) - should be symmetrical (Fixed)
  12. 02:15:995 (1,2) - 02:16:170 (3,4) - ^
  13. 02:09:019 (3) - 02:09:193 (5) - 02:16:170 (3) - 02:16:344 (5) - NC to show that there are instruments you're emphasizing. Otherwise, it looks like a random mess of circles (If I emphasise it here, I'll most likely have to emphasise it everywhere, there's no point to make map more confusing adding something special for the only one place in the map)
  14. 02:22:449 (1,2,3,4,1) - there aren't any additional instruments, only the piano, so no hitsounds (I emphasised an obviously rising tension there, even if you think about it, why would composer put a "flat" piano sounds there, no one will finish music with flat, continuous sound)
Thanks for your mod!
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova
nyu's Easy removed due to a long inactivity
Stack
NM from my queue


Misanthropy

00:01:530 (3) - even though you want variety, I would still just make this a 1/2 slider for consistency with other similar sounds

00:06:162 (4,5) - looks too much like a 1/2 gap given the spacing you gave 00:05:901 (3,4) - is a 1/4

00:07:383 (6) - If you want to map this sound then there should be a stream here, as you can't map it once and then ignore it in other parts

00:07:470 (7,8) - map the sound on the blue tick here between these 2 notes

00:12:180 (1) - not really a fan of overlapping this sldier with a stream as I think it doesn't look nice but tmaybe thats just me

00:13:575 (1) - would start a triple at the end of this slider as I feel that the sounds should be cliackable

00:45:397 (2,3) - the sound here is 1/8 and not 1/4

01:05:018 (5,7) - would delete these 2 for more emphasis on the louder sounds on the other notes, you also didn't map the sound on this notes at 01:04:670 (2,3) - between these 2 on the red tick

01:07:897 (1) - nc not needed, it also takes away form the importance you gave the nc on 01:08:071 (1) -

01:22:501 (5) - the sound you mapped this onto is present throughout almost the entire ki9ai and most of the time you did not map it so also don't do that here

01:22:763 (7,8) - makes this like one of those 3/4 sliders as you mapped it like that previously

01:24:158 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3) - They aren't in groups of 3 with distinct sounds on the 1's, so make it an accelaerator stream if you still want the increased intensity as this spacing increase ins't very logical

01:27:123 (5,1) - overlap pls ( did not mention it that much but this is a really easy fix

01:29:652 (5) - again, would delete this note for more emphasis on the heavy sounds but it's just a preference

01:33:664 (3) - don't hear something important on this blue tick

01:52:763 (1) - this doesn't feel like kiai to me, would just turn it off
Also try and incorporate some more sliders/reverses in this section as it's really always the exact same rhythm for a long time

This map is ok rhythm wise but needs work on aesthetics as you have a tone of overlaps and stacks where it just doesn't look good like 00:32:490 (3,1) - 00:33:536 (2,6) - 00:35:978 (1,7) - 00:38:071 (3,5) - (this one is really bad, sliderart should fit perfectly into other sliderart)
Some triples are also very questionable in this map

Gl with the map
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

gottagof4ast wrote:

NM from my queue


Misanthropy

00:01:530 (3) - even though you want variety, I would still just make this a 1/2 slider for consistency with other similar sounds There's no mistake there, so I'll keep it as it is now

00:06:162 (4,5) - looks too much like a 1/2 gap given the spacing you gave 00:05:901 (3,4) - is a 1/4 00:06:162 - there's a strong beat on the blue tick and it is completely differrent from the previous rhythm, moreover the background sounds are quiet, so ignoring that beat would cause some rhythm issues as I can see it

00:07:383 (6) - If you want to map this sound then there should be a stream here, as you can't map it once and then ignore it in other parts I think I'll keepit as it is now as well, in addition the sound on 00:07:383 (6) - is stronger than on the 00:07:558

00:07:470 (7,8) - map the sound on the blue tick here between these 2 notes ^

00:12:180 (1) - not really a fan of overlapping this sldier with a stream as I think it doesn't look nice but tmaybe thats just me Whole map's concept is based on the overlapping jumps, can't see any problem there

00:13:575 (1) - would start a triple at the end of this slider as I feel that the sounds should be cliackable If I'll map it as triplets as in previous timings it would be overmapping

00:45:397 (2,3) - the sound here is 1/8 and not 1/4 Overmapping

01:05:018 (5,7) - would delete these 2 for more emphasis on the louder sounds on the other notes, you also didn't map the sound on this notes at 01:04:670 (2,3) - between these 2 on the red tick (This stream resembles long and intense ending of a stream part so it had to be something odd and difficult to execute also considering it's literally the only long stream on the map)

01:07:897 (1) - nc not needed, it also takes away form the importance you gave the nc on 01:08:071 (1) - Rhythm epmhasis

01:22:501 (5) - the sound you mapped this onto is present throughout almost the entire ki9ai and most of the time you did not map it so also don't do that here It would be boring chorus made of only sliders

01:22:763 (7,8) - makes this like one of those 3/4 sliders as you mapped it like that previously I didn't use slider in every repetition

01:24:158 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3) - They aren't in groups of 3 with distinct sounds on the 1's, so make it an accelaerator stream if you still want the increased intensity as this spacing increase ins't very logical Stream spacing grows as the music builds up

01:27:123 (5,1) - overlap pls ( did not mention it that much but this is a really easy fix Easy fixed!

01:29:652 (5) - again, would delete this note for more emphasis on the heavy sounds but it's just a preference They are all strong beats

01:33:664 (3) - don't hear something important on this blue tick Rhythm repetition during the whole chorus and as in it's beginning 01:19:623 (2,3,4)

01:52:763 (1) - this doesn't feel like kiai to me, would just turn it off
Also try and incorporate some more sliders/reverses in this section as it's really always the exact same rhythm for a long time I'll keep it as it is

This map is ok rhythm wise but needs work on aesthetics as you have a tone of overlaps and stacks where it just doesn't look good like 00:32:490 (3,1) - 00:33:536 (2,6) - 00:35:978 (1,7) - 00:38:071 (3,5) - (this one is really bad, sliderart should fit perfectly into other sliderart)
Some triples are also very questionable in this map

Gl with the map
Thanks for your mod! OwO
Seijiro
irc because i got lazy to make a post
12:47 Murasaki Nova: Hello there, sorry for being annoying, but I wanted to message you to remind you of myself :<
12:48 MrSergio: o
12:48 Murasaki Nova: OwO
12:49 MrSergio: stay here for a while then
12:49 MrSergio: I won't make a post cause too lazy for that
12:51 MrSergio: combo colors please xd
12:51 MrSergio: default ones are sad
12:52 MrSergio: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8628248
12:52 Murasaki Nova: Okay
12:52 MrSergio: http://i.imgur.com/2oteFXf.png
12:53 Murasaki Nova: OwO Okay i will do so!
12:53 MrSergio: I mean, you can edit them
12:53 MrSergio: just... don't use those sad default colors lol
12:53 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1245830 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Misanthropy]]
12:54 MrSergio: 00:23:231 (4,1) - these jumps would work better with more emphasis
12:54 MrSergio: right now, the fact 00:23:412 (1) - this slider body is in the opposite direction of the jump makes for a weak emphasis on the head
12:55 Murasaki Nova: btw, I may be slow in answering your messages cos I use an interpreter due to my lack of knowledge in english
12:55 MrSergio: sure
12:56 MrSergio: btw, I will mainly point out the things I found problematic, but I won't really need a reply so take your time
12:56 MrSergio: it is just easier for me to type in chat instead of forum h
12:56 MrSergio: 00:57:606 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - be careful, since you usually used back and forth movements (00:46:443 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - )
12:57 MrSergio: so pick one sort of flow and stick with it
12:58 Murasaki Nova: Oh, ok so, I'll just let you mod it like that, just mention when you are done so I'll know when to respond
12:59 MrSergio: =w=b
13:00 MrSergio: ah, gotta go out for a few minutes tho, sorry
13:00 MrSergio: (I have to take my mother to work)
13:01 Murasaki Nova: Sure, no problem
13:10 MrSergio: back
13:12 MrSergio: 01:05:018 (5) - I believe that deleting this beat would improve the rhythm, since you make the player focus on the doubles a bit better
13:12 MrSergio: 01:05:629 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - be careful with increasing emphasis. You are telling me that emphasis increase with that pattern, even if we can hear it is similar to 01:02:489 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
13:13 MrSergio: so maybe change movement from vertical to horizontal with every back and forth
13:13 MrSergio: so you keep distances similar to each other
13:14 MrSergio: in general, that back and forth pattern is not the best like that, since it puts too much strain on a rhythm that doesn't change
13:14 MrSergio: 01:19:710 (3) - not sure I can agree with this triplet, since i can't hear it in the song :/
13:15 MrSergio: 01:23:111 (9,1) - you should keep this pattern to just the pre kiai where you used this concept. Having one of these patterns here out of the blue is a bit strange
13:15 MrSergio: 1/2 sliders work better imo
13:15 MrSergio: 01:30:873 (3) - same as the other triplet
13:15 MrSergio: 01:33:664 (3) - same (and so on)
13:16 MrSergio: 01:36:367 (2) - you basically keep starting a triplet on that high pitched instrument, which is playing a long note, note a stream
13:16 MrSergio: keep triplets on drums and the rest on the other instrument
13:17 MrSergio: otherwise it becomes confusionary which one you're using/following
13:17 MrSergio: 01:49:623 (3,4) - ctrl G, but you will need to fix the flow with 01:49:798 (4,1,2,3,4,5) -
13:17 MrSergio: see 01:52:065 (1,2,3,4) -
13:17 MrSergio: it's the same
13:18 MrSergio: with teh stron 1/2 rhythm in the song, streams like 01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5) - feel out of place
13:18 MrSergio: take 02:00:437 (1,2,3,4) - this spacing and compare it with 01:59:913 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Imo you should increase 02:00:437 (1,2,3,4) - to make it more homogeneous
13:19 MrSergio: 02:22:710 (4) - drum whistle and nothing else. It sounds kinda strange right now
13:24 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1277132 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Insane]]
13:24 MrSergio: in comparison, this diff looks more generic than the Extra
13:24 MrSergio: you can clearly see the extra has particular features which appear only on that map, but this diff is rather bland and doesn't show anything in particular
13:25 MrSergio: well, I guess it still keeps some concepts from the extra, but it can be better
13:25 MrSergio: 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is still cool for example
13:25 MrSergio: but the intro is really generic
13:26 MrSergio: 01:08:071 (8) - just circle works better
13:27 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - same hitsounding suggested for the other diff
13:27 MrSergio: generally ye, I can't say much since there isn't much to say due to the diff's nature
13:28 MrSergio: I wish it had some more... "something"
13:28 MrSergio: like, something that only this diff has
13:29 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1314720 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Collab Insane]]
13:30 MrSergio: 01:42:123 (6,7,8) - more spacing between these
13:30 MrSergio: but they work like that too
13:30 MrSergio: up to you
13:30 MrSergio: 02:08:147 (1,2) - unrankable
13:30 MrSergio: do not cover a whole slider with another slider
13:31 MrSergio: the second one is not predictable at all, hence why it is unrankable
13:31 MrSergio: overall this diff is really cool
13:31 MrSergio: it doesn't seem like it's our diff at all, even if it's a collab lol
13:31 MrSergio: your*
13:32 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1274404 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Hard]]
13:32 MrSergio: 00:20:937 (1,2,3,4,5) - in general the diff seems to lack structure
13:32 MrSergio: structure is basically the meaning you give to your patterns
13:33 MrSergio: in this case, I can't really seem to find a reason why 00:21:643 (2) - this slider has this shape or why 00:22:349 (3,4,5) - these are rotated like that and not in any other way
13:33 MrSergio: it's a matter of establishing some rules for your map and then sticking to them
13:33 MrSergio: it seems to me that we are missing the rules here
13:34 MrSergio: 00:24:279 (4,5) - strong beats should happen on the head, not on the tail
13:34 MrSergio: 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4) - stuff like this can be turned into circles only (1/1) to make more contrast with 00:42:955 (5,6) - and other things around them
13:36 MrSergio: ye... in general it looks like you just made this diff because you had to do it, not because you wanted to do it
13:36 MrSergio: hence why structure is loose and patterns are placed just because :?
13:38 MrSergio: basically, give a visual rule to whatever you do on lower diffs, because right now it is just an aimless wandering on the playfield
13:38 MrSergio: you could have used a totally different thing and overall the map wouldn't have changed
13:39 MrSergio: and that's not great, since it means that any placement could have made this map
13:39 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1251638 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Normal]]
13:39 MrSergio: 00:22:349 (4,5) - avoid doing these things, since the player will most likely click right away on the circle
13:39 MrSergio: but we have a pause there
13:40 MrSergio: you should make the flow of things as intuitive as possible on Normal diffs
13:40 MrSergio: see 00:28:478 (3,1) - for example. which is identical, but the rhythm is totally different
13:40 MrSergio: none of those is a good choice imo
13:41 MrSergio: 01:07:897 (4,5) - you don't need these
13:41 MrSergio: 01:15:770 (1) - wild NC appears, lol
13:41 MrSergio: dunno why just that object is a different combo, but you might want to remove that
13:42 MrSergio: 01:31:832 (4) - heck no, my dear
13:42 MrSergio: this is not readable in the least
13:42 MrSergio: if you can't express those doubles in the song, then don't map them at all
13:43 MrSergio: it i way easier to just listen instead of trying to follow something which is not representing the music
13:43 MrSergio: 02:06:741 (1) - no need for NC
13:43 MrSergio: 02:08:147 (3,4) - and pay attention to visual distances
13:44 MrSergio: this is misleading too ^
13:44 MrSergio: 02:20:530 (1,2,3,4) - misleading too
13:44 MrSergio: as I said, if the rhythm is too complex to represent either use a giant slider that covers everything or don't map the rhythm at all
13:45 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - 1/1 slider works better
13:45 MrSergio: the things I mentioned for the Hard are valid for the Normal too
13:46 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1247189 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Easy]]
13:46 MrSergio: 00:18:819 (2) - I would remove this and all the other similar circles to make it more comfortable in the intro
13:46 MrSergio: it is basically a way to make it more calm
13:48 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - slider here too
13:48 MrSergio: well, I guess that's all I can say
13:49 MrSergio: as I said, the lower part of the set is the one in need for attention here
13:49 MrSergio: try to give some rules to how patterns work and don't just place things where it works "fine". Try to make things work "well"

Good luck~
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

MrSergio wrote:

irc because i got lazy to make a post
12:47 Murasaki Nova: Hello there, sorry for being annoying, but I wanted to message you to remind you of myself :<
12:48 MrSergio: o
12:48 Murasaki Nova: OwO
12:49 MrSergio: stay here for a while then
12:49 MrSergio: I won't make a post cause too lazy for that
12:51 MrSergio: combo colors please xd
12:51 MrSergio: default ones are sad
12:52 MrSergio: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8628248
12:52 Murasaki Nova: Okay
12:52 MrSergio: http://i.imgur.com/2oteFXf.png
12:53 Murasaki Nova: OwO Okay i will do so!
12:53 MrSergio: I mean, you can edit them
12:53 MrSergio: just... don't use those sad default colors lol
12:53 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1245830 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Misanthropy]]
12:54 MrSergio: 00:23:231 (4,1) - these jumps would work better with more emphasis
12:54 MrSergio: right now, the fact 00:23:412 (1) - this slider body is in the opposite direction of the jump makes for a weak emphasis on the head
12:55 Murasaki Nova: btw, I may be slow in answering your messages cos I use an interpreter due to my lack of knowledge in english
12:55 MrSergio: sure
12:56 MrSergio: btw, I will mainly point out the things I found problematic, but I won't really need a reply so take your time
12:56 MrSergio: it is just easier for me to type in chat instead of forum h
12:56 MrSergio: 00:57:606 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - be careful, since you usually used back and forth movements (00:46:443 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - )
12:57 MrSergio: so pick one sort of flow and stick with it
12:58 Murasaki Nova: Oh, ok so, I'll just let you mod it like that, just mention when you are done so I'll know when to respond
12:59 MrSergio: =w=b
13:00 MrSergio: ah, gotta go out for a few minutes tho, sorry
13:00 MrSergio: (I have to take my mother to work)
13:01 Murasaki Nova: Sure, no problem
13:10 MrSergio: back
13:12 MrSergio: 01:05:018 (5) - I believe that deleting this beat would improve the rhythm, since you make the player focus on the doubles a bit better
13:12 MrSergio: 01:05:629 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - be careful with increasing emphasis. You are telling me that emphasis increase with that pattern, even if we can hear it is similar to 01:02:489 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) -
13:13 MrSergio: so maybe change movement from vertical to horizontal with every back and forth
13:13 MrSergio: so you keep distances similar to each other
13:14 MrSergio: in general, that back and forth pattern is not the best like that, since it puts too much strain on a rhythm that doesn't change
13:14 MrSergio: 01:19:710 (3) - not sure I can agree with this triplet, since i can't hear it in the song :/
13:15 MrSergio: 01:23:111 (9,1) - you should keep this pattern to just the pre kiai where you used this concept. Having one of these patterns here out of the blue is a bit strange
13:15 MrSergio: 1/2 sliders work better imo
13:15 MrSergio: 01:30:873 (3) - same as the other triplet
13:15 MrSergio: 01:33:664 (3) - same (and so on)
13:16 MrSergio: 01:36:367 (2) - you basically keep starting a triplet on that high pitched instrument, which is playing a long note, note a stream
13:16 MrSergio: keep triplets on drums and the rest on the other instrument
13:17 MrSergio: otherwise it becomes confusionary which one you're using/following
13:17 MrSergio: 01:49:623 (3,4) - ctrl G, but you will need to fix the flow with 01:49:798 (4,1,2,3,4,5) -
13:17 MrSergio: see 01:52:065 (1,2,3,4) -
13:17 MrSergio: it's the same
13:18 MrSergio: with teh stron 1/2 rhythm in the song, streams like 01:53:286 (1,2,3,4,5) - feel out of place
13:18 MrSergio: take 02:00:437 (1,2,3,4) - this spacing and compare it with 01:59:913 (1,2,3,4,5) - . Imo you should increase 02:00:437 (1,2,3,4) - to make it more homogeneous
13:19 MrSergio: 02:22:710 (4) - drum whistle and nothing else. It sounds kinda strange right now
13:24 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1277132 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Insane]]
13:24 MrSergio: in comparison, this diff looks more generic than the Extra
13:24 MrSergio: you can clearly see the extra has particular features which appear only on that map, but this diff is rather bland and doesn't show anything in particular
13:25 MrSergio: well, I guess it still keeps some concepts from the extra, but it can be better
13:25 MrSergio: 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this is still cool for example
13:25 MrSergio: but the intro is really generic
13:26 MrSergio: 01:08:071 (8) - just circle works better
13:27 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - same hitsounding suggested for the other diff
13:27 MrSergio: generally ye, I can't say much since there isn't much to say due to the diff's nature
13:28 MrSergio: I wish it had some more... "something"
13:28 MrSergio: like, something that only this diff has
13:29 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1314720 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Collab Insane]]
13:30 MrSergio: 01:42:123 (6,7,8) - more spacing between these
13:30 MrSergio: but they work like that too
13:30 MrSergio: up to you
13:30 MrSergio: 02:08:147 (1,2) - unrankable
13:30 MrSergio: do not cover a whole slider with another slider
13:31 MrSergio: the second one is not predictable at all, hence why it is unrankable
13:31 MrSergio: overall this diff is really cool
13:31 MrSergio: it doesn't seem like it's our diff at all, even if it's a collab lol
13:31 MrSergio: your*
13:32 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1274404 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Hard]]
13:32 MrSergio: 00:20:937 (1,2,3,4,5) - in general the diff seems to lack structure
13:32 MrSergio: structure is basically the meaning you give to your patterns
13:33 MrSergio: in this case, I can't really seem to find a reason why 00:21:643 (2) - this slider has this shape or why 00:22:349 (3,4,5) - these are rotated like that and not in any other way
13:33 MrSergio: it's a matter of establishing some rules for your map and then sticking to them
13:33 MrSergio: it seems to me that we are missing the rules here
13:34 MrSergio: 00:24:279 (4,5) - strong beats should happen on the head, not on the tail
13:34 MrSergio: 00:40:164 (1,2,3,4) - stuff like this can be turned into circles only (1/1) to make more contrast with 00:42:955 (5,6) - and other things around them
13:36 MrSergio: ye... in general it looks like you just made this diff because you had to do it, not because you wanted to do it
13:36 MrSergio: hence why structure is loose and patterns are placed just because :?
13:38 MrSergio: basically, give a visual rule to whatever you do on lower diffs, because right now it is just an aimless wandering on the playfield
13:38 MrSergio: you could have used a totally different thing and overall the map wouldn't have changed
13:39 MrSergio: and that's not great, since it means that any placement could have made this map
13:39 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1251638 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Normal]]
13:39 MrSergio: 00:22:349 (4,5) - avoid doing these things, since the player will most likely click right away on the circle
13:39 MrSergio: but we have a pause there
13:40 MrSergio: you should make the flow of things as intuitive as possible on Normal diffs
13:40 MrSergio: see 00:28:478 (3,1) - for example. which is identical, but the rhythm is totally different
13:40 MrSergio: none of those is a good choice imo
13:41 MrSergio: 01:07:897 (4,5) - you don't need these
13:41 MrSergio: 01:15:770 (1) - wild NC appears, lol
13:41 MrSergio: dunno why just that object is a different combo, but you might want to remove that
13:42 MrSergio: 01:31:832 (4) - heck no, my dear
13:42 MrSergio: this is not readable in the least
13:42 MrSergio: if you can't express those doubles in the song, then don't map them at all
13:43 MrSergio: it i way easier to just listen instead of trying to follow something which is not representing the music
13:43 MrSergio: 02:06:741 (1) - no need for NC
13:43 MrSergio: 02:08:147 (3,4) - and pay attention to visual distances
13:44 MrSergio: this is misleading too ^
13:44 MrSergio: 02:20:530 (1,2,3,4) - misleading too
13:44 MrSergio: as I said, if the rhythm is too complex to represent either use a giant slider that covers everything or don't map the rhythm at all
13:45 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - 1/1 slider works better
13:45 MrSergio: the things I mentioned for the Hard are valid for the Normal too
13:46 *MrSergio is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1247189 LeaF - Alice in Misanthrope -Ensei Alice- [Easy]]
13:46 MrSergio: 00:18:819 (2) - I would remove this and all the other similar circles to make it more comfortable in the intro
13:46 MrSergio: it is basically a way to make it more calm
13:48 MrSergio: 02:22:449 (1) - slider here too
13:48 MrSergio: well, I guess that's all I can say
13:49 MrSergio: as I said, the lower part of the set is the one in need for attention here
13:49 MrSergio: try to give some rules to how patterns work and don't just place things where it works "fine". Try to make things work "well"

Good luck~
Thanks for your mod, MrSergio. I fixed everything!

P.S. "Hm, I think it took way more time that I thought it would at the first glance"
Seijiro
more logs
16:23 Murasaki Nova: Hello, MrSergio, you have modded my map recently and I had some problems especially in low diffs.
16:23 Murasaki Nova: Now, when I think I've fixed them, can I have your recheck or at least just opinion on the changes I've made?
16:24 MrSergio: map link?
16:24 Murasaki Nova: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/588475
16:24 MrSergio: oh, that one
16:28 MrSergio: on Easy: 02:20:705 (1,2,3) - delete 2 and make 1 a 3/2 repeat slider
16:29 MrSergio: 01:37:763 (3,4,5) - better using something different here, since you used that pattern for other two parts which were more intense than this in the kiai
16:29 MrSergio: a repeat slider would be nice
16:29 MrSergio: 00:21:996 (2,1) - spacing derped here due to the BPM change
16:30 MrSergio: this also arises a doubt in my mind: is the timing correct like that? It looks strange
16:32 Murasaki Nova: ok, I'll recheck that timing
16:32 MrSergio: doing that, dw
16:39 MrSergio: umh... it might take a while, but I'm half done
16:51 MrSergio: holy, what a wanky mp3
16:54 Murasaki Nova: Do u mean the song itself or that particular mp3?
16:54 MrSergio: idk, it looks like the mp3 was cropped
16:54 MrSergio: or they just played around with it
16:54 MrSergio: anyway, it should be ok now
16:54 MrSergio: I will post the timing on the thread later
16:54 MrSergio: imma finish checking the rest
16:55 Murasaki Nova: Ok, thanks :>
16:56 MrSergio: 00:17:412 (2) - on normal, this works better as a circle imo
16:56 MrSergio: 00:37:373 - ?.?
16:56 MrSergio: there is nothing there
16:56 MrSergio: intentional?
16:57 MrSergio: 01:17:356 (2,3,4) - uhhh, kinda intense for a Normal imo, but it's not a bad choice
16:57 MrSergio: it's not the kiai tho, so I'd rather keep it calmer with a repeat slider there
16:58 MrSergio: 01:28:518 (2,3,4) - perfectly fine instead
16:58 MrSergio: 01:31:832 (1) - confusing, too many repeats
16:58 MrSergio: 01:31:832 - 1/2 slider 01:32:356 - 1/2 slider
16:58 MrSergio: it will work better that way
16:58 MrSergio: 01:34:623 (1) - same
16:59 MrSergio: 01:41:600 (1,1,1,1) - noticed on the easy too, but you seem to struggle with keeping a shape for these identical sounds lol. Dw, the player won't get bored for 2 repetitive slider shapes
17:00 MrSergio: 02:06:386 (3) - consistency with the one in the intro: circle would work better
17:00 MrSergio: 02:18:612 (2,3,4) - uhhhh, confusing because the strong beats are on the slider tails
17:01 MrSergio: to fix that ^ split 02:17:217 (3) - into 2 circles (02:17:216 - 02:17:565 - ) and maybe use a 1/2 slider for 02:17:565 -
17:01 MrSergio: then you can move 02:18:612 (2,3,4) - 2 ticks to the left
17:02 MrSergio: actually... that part is still confusing
17:03 MrSergio: found an option: 02:18:437 - circle
17:03 MrSergio: and then you have 02:18:612 - , which can either be another circle, or a 1/1 repeat slider
17:04 MrSergio: 02:20:530 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeeeee.... nope, that is confusing too
17:04 MrSergio: use the same technique I showed you above for that part too
17:06 MrSergio: on Hard: 00:44:350 (1,2,3,4,5) - kinda sudden this spacing and rhythm increase. Try to make an average between 00:42:955 (5,6) - this rhythm and the current 1/2 jumps
17:08 MrSergio: 01:07:897 (5) - you might even delete this to make a nice contrast with the calming song
17:08 MrSergio: 01:17:356 (2,3,4) - you really have this bad habit of increasing all of a sudden everything (rhythm, spacing, etc)
17:08 MrSergio: try to make the increase smooth
17:13 MrSergio: umh... overall the Hard feels yet a bit disorganized... I mean, it does show improvement, but some things are just strange, like the sudden spacing and rhythm changes or more in general the design, which can be polished
17:13 MrSergio: the Normal and Easy saw an improvement tho, above all the Easy
17:15 MrSergio: I'll post the timing on the forum so you can check it too

timing fixed
[TimingPoints]
771,379.746835443038,4,2,0,35,1,0
3808,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
6582,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
17744,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
20617,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
24778,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
26215,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
28989,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
68058,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
69495,355.029585798817,4,2,0,35,1,0
70915,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
72310,342.857142857143,4,2,0,35,1,0
73681,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
76455,352.941176470588,4,2,0,35,1,0
79277,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
123927,352.941176470588,4,2,0,35,1,0
125338,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
126733,349.854227405248,4,2,0,35,1,0
129531,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

MrSergio wrote:

more logs
16:23 Murasaki Nova: Hello, MrSergio, you have modded my map recently and I had some problems especially in low diffs.
16:23 Murasaki Nova: Now, when I think I've fixed them, can I have your recheck or at least just opinion on the changes I've made?
16:24 MrSergio: map link?
16:24 Murasaki Nova: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/588475
16:24 MrSergio: oh, that one
16:28 MrSergio: on Easy: 02:20:705 (1,2,3) - delete 2 and make 1 a 3/2 repeat slider
16:29 MrSergio: 01:37:763 (3,4,5) - better using something different here, since you used that pattern for other two parts which were more intense than this in the kiai
16:29 MrSergio: a repeat slider would be nice
16:29 MrSergio: 00:21:996 (2,1) - spacing derped here due to the BPM change
16:30 MrSergio: this also arises a doubt in my mind: is the timing correct like that? It looks strange
16:32 Murasaki Nova: ok, I'll recheck that timing
16:32 MrSergio: doing that, dw
16:39 MrSergio: umh... it might take a while, but I'm half done
16:51 MrSergio: holy, what a wanky mp3
16:54 Murasaki Nova: Do u mean the song itself or that particular mp3?
16:54 MrSergio: idk, it looks like the mp3 was cropped
16:54 MrSergio: or they just played around with it
16:54 MrSergio: anyway, it should be ok now
16:54 MrSergio: I will post the timing on the thread later
16:54 MrSergio: imma finish checking the rest
16:55 Murasaki Nova: Ok, thanks :>
16:56 MrSergio: 00:17:412 (2) - on normal, this works better as a circle imo
16:56 MrSergio: 00:37:373 - ?.?
16:56 MrSergio: there is nothing there
16:56 MrSergio: intentional?
16:57 MrSergio: 01:17:356 (2,3,4) - uhhh, kinda intense for a Normal imo, but it's not a bad choice
16:57 MrSergio: it's not the kiai tho, so I'd rather keep it calmer with a repeat slider there
16:58 MrSergio: 01:28:518 (2,3,4) - perfectly fine instead
16:58 MrSergio: 01:31:832 (1) - confusing, too many repeats
16:58 MrSergio: 01:31:832 - 1/2 slider 01:32:356 - 1/2 slider
16:58 MrSergio: it will work better that way
16:58 MrSergio: 01:34:623 (1) - same
16:59 MrSergio: 01:41:600 (1,1,1,1) - noticed on the easy too, but you seem to struggle with keeping a shape for these identical sounds lol. Dw, the player won't get bored for 2 repetitive slider shapes
17:00 MrSergio: 02:06:386 (3) - consistency with the one in the intro: circle would work better
17:00 MrSergio: 02:18:612 (2,3,4) - uhhhh, confusing because the strong beats are on the slider tails
17:01 MrSergio: to fix that ^ split 02:17:217 (3) - into 2 circles (02:17:216 - 02:17:565 - ) and maybe use a 1/2 slider for 02:17:565 -
17:01 MrSergio: then you can move 02:18:612 (2,3,4) - 2 ticks to the left
17:02 MrSergio: actually... that part is still confusing
17:03 MrSergio: found an option: 02:18:437 - circle
17:03 MrSergio: and then you have 02:18:612 - , which can either be another circle, or a 1/1 repeat slider
17:04 MrSergio: 02:20:530 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - yeeeee.... nope, that is confusing too
17:04 MrSergio: use the same technique I showed you above for that part too
17:06 MrSergio: on Hard: 00:44:350 (1,2,3,4,5) - kinda sudden this spacing and rhythm increase. Try to make an average between 00:42:955 (5,6) - this rhythm and the current 1/2 jumps
17:08 MrSergio: 01:07:897 (5) - you might even delete this to make a nice contrast with the calming song
17:08 MrSergio: 01:17:356 (2,3,4) - you really have this bad habit of increasing all of a sudden everything (rhythm, spacing, etc)
17:08 MrSergio: try to make the increase smooth
17:13 MrSergio: umh... overall the Hard feels yet a bit disorganized... I mean, it does show improvement, but some things are just strange, like the sudden spacing and rhythm changes or more in general the design, which can be polished
17:13 MrSergio: the Normal and Easy saw an improvement tho, above all the Easy
17:15 MrSergio: I'll post the timing on the forum so you can check it too

timing fixed
[TimingPoints]
771,379.746835443038,4,2,0,35,1,0
3808,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
6582,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
17744,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
20617,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
24778,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
26215,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
28989,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
68058,359.281437125748,4,2,0,35,1,0
69495,355.029585798817,4,2,0,35,1,0
70915,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
72310,342.857142857143,4,2,0,35,1,0
73681,346.820809248555,4,2,0,35,1,0
76455,352.941176470588,4,2,0,35,1,0
79277,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
123927,352.941176470588,4,2,0,35,1,0
125338,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
126733,349.854227405248,4,2,0,35,1,0
129531,348.837209302326,4,2,0,35,1,0
Thanks! I fixed everything(again) OwO
Garden
General
  1. use this instead for the unicode title -> Alice in Misanthrope -厭世アリス-
  2. 01:19:277 - set kiai to the redline too, now its conflicting with the green one
Easy
  1. 00:42:942 (1) - you should add drum finish to the spinner too according to your general hitsounding patterns
  2. 02:20:693 (1) - this rhythm pattern is inappropriate for beginners to read, I suggest https://puu.sh/yxzAF/4829c34757.png to simplify things
Normal
  1. 00:10:419 (3,1) - spacing is off from what you generally apply to 1/2 gaps (1.0x)
  2. 00:12:861 (2,3) - should be 1.1x like other 1/1 gaps
  3. 00:13:209 (3,1) - should be 1.0x instead like i mentioned before. please use consistent spacing for a certain gap, and check the rest of the map yourself
  4. 00:16:349 - I feel this note should be clickable, ctrl-g 00:15:651 (2,3) - rhythm maybe?
  5. 00:17:744 - to 00:26:215 - missing hitsounds?
  6. 00:54:104 (1) - a bit offscreen under 4:3 resolution
  7. 01:07:709 - 01:08:058 - 02:21:740 (3,4) - also missing hitsounds it seems
  8. 01:52:067 (3) - should nc refering to 01:43:695 (1,2) - etc.
Hard
  1. 00:13:558 (1,2) - spacing is kinda inconsistent here
  2. 00:16:698 (2,3) - 02:05:686 (2,3) - make the 1/4 gap clearer by overlapping the sliders more? https://puu.sh/yxA3Y/7c2e3e414e.png
  3. 00:17:744 - hitsounding, same as mentioned in normal, also applied to higher diffs
  4. 00:22:871 (4,5,6) - a bit triggered to see the 5-6 spacing inconsistent with 345 lol
  5. 00:25:849 (5,6) - the two circles are unsnapped
  6. 00:27:949 (2,1) - I don't like the idea of overlapping here, it looks like a 1/4 gap, to achieve similar effects you might wanna stack them instead
  7. 00:33:175 (5) - nc?
  8. 00:45:035 (3,4) - visually too close, I suggest adjusting this way https://puu.sh/yxAl0/cddd8ae338.png
  9. 00:53:407 (3,4,5,1) - suffered from similar issue, you can just move 00:54:104 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - the whole thing down
Collab Insane
  1. 00:17:744 - a bit weird to me that you mapped this section in lower difficulties but skipped it in insane lol, anyway it's fine, you can pull the break start here btw
  2. 00:31:779 (1,2,3) - I think you should fill up the 1/2 rhythm in this case, music is much more intense than 00:26:215 (1,2) - plus your visual spacing kinda indicates they are 1/2 gaps
  3. 00:37:361 (1,1,2) - missing some strong hitsounds it seems
  4. 00:38:756 (2) - ctrl-g + nc maybe, now they seem too close as 1/1 gap
  5. 01:57:649 (6) - nc like 01:54:858 (1) -
Insane
  1. 00:39:366 - I think this should be clickable as well like your previous triplets
  2. 00:41:895 (2,4) - add whistle to slider head like 00:40:500 (2,4) - ?
  3. 00:42:943 (1,4) - only this jump pattern is full triangle (1 4 stacking) , maybe modify a bit to be consistent with your general patterning
  4. 01:08:058 (1) - finish
  5. 02:18:252 (2,3) - maybe you wanna do the stack but spacing is too small all in a sudden when the music doesn't suggest so, random suggestion: https://puu.sh/yxBdC/df209020f7.png
Misanthropy
  1. 00:06:149 (2,3) - spacing is too unintuitive to be read as 1/4 gap, can you reduce the spacing here?
  2. 00:37:709 (2,4) - 00:40:500 (2,4) - 00:41:895 (2,4) - 00:48:872 (2,4) - 00:54:454 (2,4) - 01:00:035 (2,4) - slider head missing hitsounds
  3. 00:50:878 (6,1,2) - this is tricky to play, mind unstacking them a bit? like your other streams
  4. 01:02:302 (6) - I suggest you add nc here, or the 01:01:779 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is weird to read
Quality of the set overall is ok, but imo you would need some further detail polishment in your higher difficulties (enh are pretty decent I'd say), but this can be somehow subjective.
Good luck with the set and hope my mod helps!
sahuang
I think I downloaded this map at the first month of your submission because it is by LeaF lol
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova
I apologize for that long of the delay, I had some important things to tackle with

Garden wrote:

General
  1. use this instead for the unicode title -> Alice in Misanthrope -厭世アリス- Fixed
  2. 01:19:277 - set kiai to the redline too, now its conflicting with the green one Fixed


Easy
  1. 02:20:693 (1) - this rhythm pattern is inappropriate for beginners to read, I suggest https://puu.sh/yxzAF/4829c34757.png to simplify things Fixed according to your suggestion
Normal
  1. 00:10:419 (3,1) - spacing is off from what you generally apply to 1/2 gaps (1.0x) Fixed
  2. 00:12:861 (2,3) - should be 1.1x like other 1/1 gaps ^
  3. 00:13:209 (3,1) - should be 1.0x instead like i mentioned before. please use consistent spacing for a certain gap, and check the rest of the map yourself ^
  4. 00:16:349 - I feel this note should be clickable, ctrl-g 00:15:651 (2,3) - rhythm maybe? Fixed
  5. 00:54:104 (1) - a bit offscreen under 4:3 resolution Fixed
  6. 01:52:067 (3) - should nc refering to 01:43:695 (1,2) - etc. Fixed
Hard
  1. 00:13:558 (1,2) - spacing is kinda inconsistent here Fixed
  2. 00:16:698 (2,3) - 02:05:686 (2,3) - make the 1/4 gap clearer by overlapping the sliders more? https://puu.sh/yxA3Y/7c2e3e414e.png Fixed
  3. 00:22:871 (4,5,6) - a bit triggered to see the 5-6 spacing inconsistent with 345 lol Fixed
  4. 00:25:849 (5,6) - the two circles are unsnapped Fixed
  5. 00:27:949 (2,1) - I don't like the idea of overlapping here, it looks like a 1/4 gap, to achieve similar effects you might wanna stack them instead Fixed
  6. 00:33:175 (5) - nc? Fixed
  7. 00:45:035 (3,4) - visually too close, I suggest adjusting this way https://puu.sh/yxAl0/cddd8ae338.png Fixed according to your suggestion
  8. 00:53:407 (3,4,5,1) - suffered from similar issue, you can just move 00:54:104 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - the whole thing down Fixed


Collab Insane
  1. 00:38:756 (2) - ctrl-g + nc maybe, now they seem too close as 1/1 gap Fixed
  2. 01:57:649 (6) - nc like 01:54:858 (1) - Fixed
Insane
  1. 00:39:366 - I think this should be clickable as well like your previous triplets I think I'll keep it as it is just to create more variety
  2. 00:42:943 (1,4) - only this jump pattern is full triangle (1 4 stacking) , maybe modify a bit to be consistent with your general patterning Fixed
  3. 02:18:252 (2,3) - maybe you wanna do the stack but spacing is too small all in a sudden when the music doesn't suggest so, random suggestion: https://puu.sh/yxBdC/df209020f7.pngFixed
Misanthropy
  1. 00:06:149 (2,3) - spacing is too unintuitive to be read as 1/4 gap, can you reduce the spacing here? Fixed
  2. 00:50:878 (6,1,2) - this is tricky to play, mind unstacking them a bit? like your other streams Fixed
  3. 01:02:302 (6) - I suggest you add nc here, or the 01:01:779 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is weird to read Fixed
Quality of the set overall is ok, but imo you would need some further detail polishment in your higher difficulties (enh are pretty decent I'd say), but this can be somehow subjective.
Good luck with the set and hope my mod helps!
Thanks! Your mod definitely was really helpful to clarify some of the issues that I've missed


sahuang wrote:

I think I downloaded this map at the first month of your submission because it is by LeaF lol
Yup, LeaF is great!
Fouriose

Garden wrote:

Easy
  1. 00:42:942 (1) - you should add drum finish to the spinner too according to your general hitsounding patterns Fixed


Normal
  1. 00:17:744 - to 00:26:215 - missing hitsounds? Actually it was intended to leave this part without hitsounding cos it's so quiet compared to the rest of the map but after adding some hitsounds it sounds way better, thanks!
  2. 01:07:709 - 01:08:058 - 02:21:740 (3,4) - also missing hitsounds it seems Fixed


Hard
  1. 00:17:744 - hitsounding, same as mentioned in normal, also applied to higher diffs Fixed


Collab Insane
  1. 00:17:744 - a bit weird to me that you mapped this section in lower difficulties but skipped it in insane lol, anyway it's fine, you can pull the break start here btw This break has basically the same reasoning as missing hitsounds in this part, it's just to emphasise louder parts of the song,
    but since it's is ok I think we'll leave it as it is now
  2. 00:31:779 (1,2,3) - I think you should fill up the 1/2 rhythm in this case, music is much more intense than 00:26:215 (1,2) - plus your visual spacing kinda indicates they are 1/2 gaps Fixed
  3. 00:37:361 (1,1,2) - missing some strong hitsounds it seems Fixed
Insane
  1. 00:41:895 (2,4) - add whistle to slider head like 00:40:500 (2,4) - ? Fixed
  2. 01:08:058 (1) - finish Fixed
Misanthropy
  1. 00:37:709 (2,4) - 00:40:500 (2,4) - 00:41:895 (2,4) - 00:48:872 (2,4) - 00:54:454 (2,4) - 01:00:035 (2,4) - slider head missing hitsounds Fixed
Quality of the set overall is ok, but imo you would need some further detail polishment in your higher difficulties (enh are pretty decent I'd say), but this can be somehow subjective.
Good luck with the set and hope my mod helps! Thank you for your mod and have a good luck as well!
sahuang
Hello

Easy
00:24:778 (2,1) - try to avoid this kind of antiflow in Easy. The reverse slider is going to a direction opposite to the next object, which makes it kinda hard to play. Here is an alternative: ctrl+G 00:24:778 (2) - and make DS 1.1x (316|292)
01:21:370 (4) - I don't really know why you start to introduce 1/2 gaps like this. This does not seem appropriate in Easy diff. In addition, just make the slider 1/1 which ends on 01:21:718 - . There is a downbeat at this point.
01:24:160 (4) - same
01:47:183 (1,3) - better make their shapes identical like what you did previously

Normal
00:16:175 - better add a circle here because the sound is pretty strong.
00:19:181 (1) - the red anchor literally does nothing. just remove it and make a good normal slider..
00:17:744 (1) - the gap here is empty because it's not that 00:18:103 - has no sound. Make a 1/1 slider would improve your rhythm and flow
00:19:899 (2) - use 1/1 slider to avoid 00:19:899 (2,3) - this kind of weird rhythm in Normal
00:37:361 (1) - the sudden multiple reverse slider here makes little sense, it's too abrupt and ppl won't expect it to be here. Try split it to 2 sliders or even circles
00:47:128 (1) - 00:49:919 (1) - etc. there are just too many NCs in this map. Try halve it by NC every 8 beats instead of 4...make combo longer pls
01:02:477 (1,2) - DS
also any reason 1/2 gaps are 1.0x while 1/1s are 1.1x?
01:05:268 (1,1) - make sliders more consistent..this improves your aesthetics a lot
01:20:672 (1) - 01:23:463 (1) - etc. remove NC as i told you before. reword NC on this diff
01:28:695 (3,4) - change this to a slider. 3 circles in a row in Normal is too difficult and makes the gap big.
01:37:765 (2,3) - slider
01:30:439 (1,2) - use same shape
01:38:811 (1) - personally i prefer 2 circles here. Why? because if you still use 1/2 slider, it makes no difference with 01:38:463 (5) - , but actually the latter music is much stronger.
01:43:695 (1) - etc no need to NC
02:13:019 (2,1) - why different rhythm? More consistency is needed!
02:17:031 (2) - delete for consistency
02:18:600 (3,4) - same rhythm pls
02:19:298 (1,1) - ds
02:21:740 (3,4,5) - no 3 circles in a row, change to sth else
In general you should aim to make good consistency in many parts. Also aesthetics can be improved

Hard
00:03:808 - downbeat, make it clickable
00:15:651 (3,4) - due to stack leniency the DS will be different from what you thought. Manually adjust the circle so ds is same as before
http://puu.sh/zzl1W/f8d202de3a.jpg
00:33:175 (5) - 01:17:866 (5) - NC
01:38:114 (1) - remove nc
01:55:556 (4) - nc
02:10:228 (3) - should just use same shape as 02:09:531 (1,2) - and rotate same angle
02:15:810 (3) - same
02:11:624 (3) - 02:13:019 (3) - 02:17:205 (3) - 02:18:600 (3) - etc. you simplified the rhythm too much. e.g. 02:17:467 - has a 1/4 downbeat so it should be properly mapped. you can use slider+circle or slider+double
02:13:019 (3,4,5) - very crowded here and messy.
02:13:629 - missing beat

Collab
00:07:977 (1,2) - bad aesthetics..
00:38:756 (2) - NC this, also the shape is not perfect
00:38:058 (1) - this prob doesn't need a NC
02:08:132 (1,2) - why overlap them??? the 1/2 gap is huge so just make a normal jump. Maybe this applies to previous patterns as well, just check it yourself.

Insane and Top diff have a lot more aesthetics+rhythm concerns so I will probably do it later...or no if I'm too busy :<
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

sahuang wrote:

Hello

Easy
00:24:778 (2,1) - try to avoid this kind of antiflow in Easy. The reverse slider is going to a direction opposite to the next object, which makes it kinda hard to play. Here is an alternative: ctrl+G 00:24:778 (2) - and make DS 1.1x (316|292) Did according to your suggestion
01:21:370 (4) - I don't really know why you start to introduce 1/2 gaps like this. This does not seem appropriate in Easy diff. In addition, just make the slider 1/1 which ends on 01:21:718 - . There is a downbeat at this point. Fixed
01:24:160 (4) - same Fixed
01:47:183 (1,3) - better make their shapes identical like what you did previously Fixed

Normal
00:16:175 - better add a circle here because the sound is pretty strong. Fixed
00:19:181 (1) - the red anchor literally does nothing. just remove it and make a good normal slider.. Fixed
00:17:744 (1) - the gap here is empty because it's not that 00:18:103 - has no sound. Make a 1/1 slider would improve your rhythm and flow Fixed
00:19:899 (2) - use 1/1 slider to avoid 00:19:899 (2,3) - this kind of weird rhythm in Normal Fixed
00:37:361 (1) - the sudden multiple reverse slider here makes little sense, it's too abrupt and ppl won't expect it to be here. Try split it to 2 sliders or even circles Fixed
00:47:128 (1) - 00:49:919 (1) - etc. there are just too many NCs in this map. Try halve it by NC every 8 beats instead of 4...make combo longer pls Fixed
01:02:477 (1,2) - DS Fixed
also any reason 1/2 gaps are 1.0x while 1/1s are 1.1x? I used 1.0x for 1\2 and 1.1x for 1\1 to maked easier to play
01:05:268 (1,1) - make sliders more consistent..this improves your aesthetics a lot Fixed
01:20:672 (1) - 01:23:463 (1) - etc. remove NC as i told you before. reword NC on this diff Fixed
01:28:695 (3,4) - change this to a slider. 3 circles in a row in Normal is too difficult and makes the gap big. Fixed
01:37:765 (2,3) - slider Fixed
01:30:439 (1,2) - use same shape Fixed
01:38:811 (1) - personally i prefer 2 circles here. Why? because if you still use 1/2 slider, it makes no difference with 01:38:463 (5) - , but actually the latter music is much stronger. Fixed
01:43:695 (1) - etc no need to NC Fixed
02:13:019 (2,1) - why different rhythm? More consistency is needed! I will try to do something about it
02:17:031 (2) - delete for consistency Fixed
02:18:600 (3,4) - same rhythm pls Fixed
02:19:298 (1,1) - ds Fixed
02:21:740 (3,4,5) - no 3 circles in a row, change to sth else Fixed
In general you should aim to make good consistency in many parts. Also aesthetics can be improved Fixed

Hard
00:03:808 - downbeat, make it clickable Fixed
00:15:651 (3,4) - due to stack leniency the DS will be different from what you thought. Manually adjust the circle so ds is same as before
http://puu.sh/zzl1W/f8d202de3a.jpg Fixed
00:33:175 (5) - 01:17:866 (5) - NC Fixed
01:38:114 (1) - remove nc Fixed
01:55:556 (4) - nc Fixed
02:10:228 (3) - should just use same shape as 02:09:531 (1,2) - and rotate same angle Fixed
02:15:810 (3) - same Fixed
02:11:624 (3) - 02:13:019 (3) - 02:17:205 (3) - 02:18:600 (3) - etc. you simplified the rhythm too much. e.g. 02:17:467 - has a 1/4 downbeat so it should be properly mapped. you can use slider+circle or slider+double Did according to your suggestion
02:13:019 (3,4,5) - very crowded here and messy. Fixed
02:13:629 - missing beat Fixed

Collab
00:07:977 (1,2) - bad aesthetics.. Fixed
00:38:756 (2) - NC this, also the shape is not perfect Fixed
00:38:058 (1) - this prob doesn't need a NC Fixed
02:08:132 (1,2) - why overlap them??? the 1/2 gap is huge so just make a normal jump. Maybe this applies to previous patterns as well, just check it yourself. Fixed

Insane and Top diff have a lot more aesthetics+rhythm concerns so I will probably do it later...or no if I'm too busy :<
Thanks for your mod! OwO
Electoz
[General]

  1. Your hitsounds are like super inconsistent between the difficulties, e.g. 00:30:558 - 00:30:733 - 01:04:657 - 01:07:884 - and more. Can you go through your mapset again and make EVERYTHING consistent please
  2. End first kiai on same spot? You ended it at 01:38:811 - or 01:38:986 - in some diffs and 01:41:602 - in Insane and I don't know why
yo higher size bg are you interested https://puu.sh/A6uRV/d75861005d.jpg

[Misanthropy]

  1. 00:10:070 (5,6,7) - Rhythm like https://puu.sh/A5K1o/d66d62f321.png would represent the violin better since uh the violin is doing constant 1/2 rhythms while the 1/1 slider you have doesn't really reflect that.
  2. 00:31:605 (9,1) - Supposed to be a bigger spacing.
  3. 00:34:047 (5,6,7) - Pattern should be rotated to the left cuz 00:33:523 (2,3,4) - this pattern is flowing counter-clockwise and so is 00:34:047 (5,6,7) - . Problem is you got 2 patterns that flows in the same way but you transitioned them really awkward with the angle of 00:34:047 (5) - .
  4. 00:34:395 (7,1) - Bigger spacing too if possible.
  5. 01:52:765 - This part needs to be more intense, the intensity in this part is higher than 01:41:602 - yet your gameplay became easier. My suggestion would be either using a denser rhythm (maybe 1/4 slider + 2 circle per combo or whatever) or buff the spacings in the entire part until 01:58:346 - .
[Insane]

  1. 00:34:395 (7,1) - Similar spacing thingy as mentioned in top diff, this one needs to be the biggest spacing for emphasis.
  2. 01:17:513 (7) - 2 Circles instead? There's a sound on 01:17:690 - too.
  3. 01:30:439 (5) - NC should be here? Like top diff.
  4. 01:37:416 (9,1) - Swap NC?
  5. 01:53:637 (6,1) - Can you use a higher spacing like 01:56:428 (6,1) - ? Wide angle with a consistent spacing 01:53:463 (5,6,1) - just plays uncomfortable imo
[Collab Insane]

  1. 00:37:361 (1,2,1,2) - These are easier than Hard lol make this harder pls
  2. 00:40:151 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These too, same as above. Should be more challenging.
  3. 02:01:137 (1) - Was expecting this to be circles like what you did previously 01:58:346 - 01:59:393 - for consistency, if you don't want to put the repeat slider next to 02:02:183 (1) - then you can change 02:02:183 (1) - to stuff like 01:58:346 (1,2,3,4,5) - in Insane, that would work too.
  4. 02:06:995 (2,3) - Fix stack.
  5. 02:12:321 (8,1) - Swap NC.
  6. 02:12:321 - Could’ve mapped the piano/violin or whatever sound in the background like what higher diffs did.
  7. 01:42:125 (6,7,8) - 01:44:916 (6,7,8) - 01:47:707 (6,7,8) - 01:50:497 (6,7,8) - Higher spacing please, there's no difference between this and hard diff at all.
[Hard]

  1. 01:05:268 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Should be something more intense than 00:48:523 (1,2,3,4) - 00:54:104 (1,2,3,4) - etc, just use circles instead.
  2. 01:42:125 (1,1,1) - 01:44:917 (1,1,1) - 01:47:707 (1,1,1) - 01:50:497 (1,1,1) - I don't see why you have to NC every repeat slider, you're abusing HP drain with this lol, just remove them
  3. 01:58:346 (1,1,1,1) - 02:01:137 (1,1) - Could do something like https://puu.sh/A6smm/5f2f493eca.png instead? Because this part should be harder than 01:41:602 -
[Normal]

  1. 01:06:663 (4) - Can be circles too with same reason from Hard.
  2. 01:41:602 - This part you need to use a denser rhythm, in Hard there are a lot of 1/4 rhythms here so in this diff you should focus on spamming 1/2 rhythms. Something like https://puu.sh/A6sQP/74e30edb51.png or even https://puu.sh/A6sT9/08f9cf6d9c.png would fit the diff spread much better.
  3. 01:58:346 - ^ Same as above, using denser rhythms. And this should be harder than 01:41:602 - too if possible.
  4. 02:08:132 (3,1) - DS?
try to watch out for stuff like 01:19:277 - where your flow went clockwise for the entire section which could be repetitive/boring to play
in this case it's not necessary to fix but try to keep this in mind when you're mapping diffs with DS in the future

I can icon if the red ones are fixed

EDIT: +1 HP in Collab Insane and Insane too, those two diffs should have a higher HP than Hard
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

Electoz wrote:

[General]

  1. Your hitsounds are like super inconsistent between the difficulties, e.g. 00:30:558 - 00:30:733 - 01:04:657 - 01:07:884 - and more. Can you go through your mapset again and make EVERYTHING consistent please Fixed
  2. End first kiai on same spot? You ended it at 01:38:811 - or 01:38:986 - in some diffs and 01:41:602 - in Insane and I don't know why Fixed
yo higher size bg are you interested https://puu.sh/A6uRV/d75861005d.jpg Yes!

[Misanthropy]

  1. 00:10:070 (5,6,7) - Rhythm like https://puu.sh/A5K1o/d66d62f321.png would represent the violin better since uh the violin is doing constant 1/2 rhythms while the 1/1 slider you have doesn't really reflect that. I think that would lead to confusion since everywhere except for that place would be slider + 2 notes and there slider + 3 notes so it would look kind of the same but could potentially lead to misread
  2. 00:31:605 (9,1) - Supposed to be a bigger spacing. Fixed
  3. 00:34:047 (5,6,7) - Pattern should be rotated to the left cuz 00:33:523 (2,3,4) - this pattern is flowing counter-clockwise and so is 00:34:047 (5,6,7) - . Problem is you got 2 patterns that flows in the same way but you transitioned them really awkward with the angle of 00:34:047 (5) - . Fixed
  4. 00:34:395 (7,1) - Bigger spacing too if possible. Fixed
  5. 01:52:765 - This part needs to be more intense, the intensity in this part is higher than 01:41:602 - yet your gameplay became easier. My suggestion would be either using a denser rhythm (maybe 1/4 slider + 2 circle per combo or whatever) or buff the spacings in the entire part until 01:58:346 - . Fixed
[Insane]

  1. 00:34:395 (7,1) - Similar spacing thingy as mentioned in top diff, this one needs to be the biggest spacing for emphasis. Fixed
  2. 01:17:513 (7) - 2 Circles instead? There's a sound on 01:17:690 - too. Fixed
  3. 01:30:439 (5) - NC should be here? Like top diff. Fixed
  4. 01:37:416 (9,1) - Swap NC? No, because 01:35:672 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) is all the same section of rhythm so it would be frustrating to place NC on the end of it and not on the beginning of the new one
  5. 01:53:637 (6,1) - Can you use a higher spacing like 01:56:428 (6,1) - ? Wide angle with a consistent spacing 01:53:463 (5,6,1) - just plays uncomfortable imo Fixed
[Collab Insane]

  1. 00:37:361 (1,2,1,2) - These are easier than Hard lol make this harder pls Fixed
  2. 00:40:151 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These too, same as above. Should be more challenging. Fixed
  3. 02:01:137 (1) - Was expecting this to be circles like what you did previously 01:58:346 - 01:59:393 - for consistency, if you don't want to put the repeat slider next to 02:02:183 (1) - then you can change 02:02:183 (1) - to stuff like 01:58:346 (1,2,3,4,5) - in Insane, that would work too. This starts with repeating slider because rhythm logic is kind of different there. Whole section goes into 3 major parts not 4, so replacing one of the final sliders with stream would be a bit strange since this prolonged sound must be emphasized by the same means in editor but replacing both these sliders with a lite version of a deathstream isn't the solution as well
  4. 02:06:995 (2,3) - Fix stack. Fixed
  5. 02:12:321 (8,1) - Swap NC. Fixed
  6. 02:12:321 - Could’ve mapped the piano/violin or whatever sound in the background like what higher diffs did. This part is intentionally prioritizing strong beats over BG because BG seemed too intense for that style
  7. 01:42:125 (6,7,8) - 01:44:916 (6,7,8) - 01:47:707 (6,7,8) - 01:50:497 (6,7,8) - Higher spacing please, there's no difference between this and hard diff at all. Fixed
[Hard]

  1. 01:05:268 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Should be something more intense than 00:48:523 (1,2,3,4) - 00:54:104 (1,2,3,4) - etc, just use circles instead. This part prioritizes vocal since even 01:06:663 (1,2) - reflects pitch going up so I don't think I should make it denser since it would hurt the concept
  2. 01:42:125 (1,1,1) - 01:44:917 (1,1,1) - 01:47:707 (1,1,1) - 01:50:497 (1,1,1) - I don't see why you have to NC every repeat slider, you're abusing HP drain with this lol, just remove them Fixed
  3. 01:58:346 (1,1,1,1) - 02:01:137 (1,1) - Could do something like https://puu.sh/A6smm/5f2f493eca.png instead? Because this part should be harder than 01:41:602 - May be alternating existing rhythm with what you've suggested but the part is too small and just your bursts may be too intense. Also this 01:57:997 (2,3,1) - conflicts with the previous 01:55:207 (2,3,1)
[Normal]

  1. 01:06:663 (4) - Can be circles too with same reason from Hard. 4 notes in a row may be too hard and there's no moments in normal where the number of notes in a row exceeds 3 (kiai parts)
  2. 01:41:602 - This part you need to use a denser rhythm, in Hard there are a lot of 1/4 rhythms here so in this diff you should focus on spamming 1/2 rhythms. Something like https://puu.sh/A6sQP/74e30edb51.png or even https://puu.sh/A6sT9/08f9cf6d9c.png would fit the diff spread much better. This section used to be exactly like you've suggested but it was said to be wrong in few mods including MrSergio's and 01:58:346 - is a little more difficult to contrast the difference with 01:41:602 but not with using more dense rhythms but with spacing out notes after sliders, so I'm not sure if I should change it, but of course we can discuss it
  3. 01:58:346 - ^ Same as above, using denser rhythms. And this should be harder than 01:41:602 - too if possible. ^
  4. 02:08:132 (3,1) - DS? Fixed
try to watch out for stuff like 01:19:277 - where your flow went clockwise for the entire section which could be repetitive/boring to play
in this case it's not necessary to fix but try to keep this in mind when you're mapping diffs with DS in the future

I can icon if the red ones are fixed

EDIT: +1 HP in Collab Insane and Insane too, those two diffs should have a higher HP than Hard
Big thank you for your suggestions they helped a lot to make mapset more clear, also thanks for higher quality bg image and hitsounding suggestion! :)
Electoz
[Misanthropy]

  1. HP should +0.5 or +1, extra should have a higher hp than Insane
  2. 00:06:582 (1) - use auto sampleset on sliderslide, apply this in Normal too.
[Insane]

  1. 00:08:849 - Clap instead of finish.
  2. 00:10:244 - 00:10:332 - Clap not finish
  3. 00:34:395 (7,1) - This spacing should be bigger than 00:34:221 (6,7) -
  4. 01:17:513 (7,8) - Supposed to be whistles instead of finish according to other diffs
[Collab Insane]
  1. 00:11:465 (3) - 01:17:513 - Hitsounds missing
[Hard]

  1. 00:09:721 - Finish not clap
[Easy]

  1. 00:10:419 (2) - Finish instead of clap
also check hitsounds consistency on timestamps below in EVERY difficulties:
00:05:021 - 00:06:930 - 00:07:628 - 00:07:802 -

ok I give up
I only went through 10 seconds of the map, and there are too many hitsounds inconsistencies, I want you to go through the map until the end and make every hitsounds consistent in all difficulties.

Hitsounding is the only problem I'm having with this set, fix that and we'll talk
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

Electoz wrote:

[Misanthropy]

  1. HP should +0.5 or +1, extra should have a higher hp than Insane Ok, +0.5
  2. 00:06:582 (1) - use auto sampleset on sliderslide, apply this in Normal too. Fixed
[Insane]

  1. 00:08:849 - Clap instead of finish. Fixed
  2. 00:10:244 - 00:10:332 - Clap not finish Fixed
  3. 00:34:395 (7,1) - This spacing should be bigger than 00:34:221 (6,7) - Fixed
  4. 01:17:513 (7,8) - Supposed to be whistles instead of finish according to other diffs Fixed
[Collab Insane]
  1. 00:11:465 (3) - 01:17:513 - Hitsounds missing Fixed
[Hard]

  1. 00:09:721 - Finish not clap Fixed
[Easy]

  1. 00:10:419 (2) - Finish instead of clap Fixed
also check hitsounds consistency on timestamps below in EVERY difficulties:
00:05:021 - 00:06:930 - 00:07:628 - 00:07:802 -

ok I give up
I only went through 10 seconds of the map, and there are too many hitsounds inconsistencies, I want you to go through the map until the end and make every hitsounds consistent in all difficulties.

Hitsounding is the only problem I'm having with this set, fix that and we'll talk
Rechecked and fixed everything!
Electoz
Bubbled!
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova
Thank you very much Electoz!
Gordon123
Привет, вижу что у тебя тут намечается Qualy и хотелось бы немного помочь, я не БН, но все же)
Смотрел карты(уже ранкнутые) на эту же песню и увидел в тегах иероглифы и задался вопросом, а почему у тебя их нету?
В общем :
【BOFU2016】http://bmsoffighters.net/bofu2016/
BMS : http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
Artist : LeaF https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7
Illustration : セシル◇タイト https://twitter.com/ceciltite
Movie : 想起 https://twitter.com/recallv
Тебе всего лишь стоит при следующем апдейте (когда будут давать квали) добавить:
официального автора иллюстраций LeaF - セシル◇タイト
официального автора муви(видео) LeaF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYCQrXx8hLw вот оно кстати) - 想起
а так же команду LeaF - 孤高クローバー
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Metadata proofs(если будут просить,но у тебя все нормально) :
1) https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7/alice-in-misanthrope
2) http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
В случае если ты уже знал/-ла про все это, то стоило бы уже давно добавить эту информацию!
Annabel
Hello.

I feel like there are some general issues with the top two difficulties. But most notably, Misanthropy. (Hitsounding as well.)

Main issues are: Grid usage, patterning / emphasis, and movement.

  1. The mapset really feels like it disconnects from one difficulty to another. The Insane feels a lot more well thought out, and doesn't just focus on one direction for most of the map. Misanthropy feels like the grid snap was on for the whole thing. and while you can argue that it's just the style, it just doesn't feel like it's as thought out as the other difficulties, due to their usage of varying patterns. The only thing really tying the whole difficulty together is the fact that all the patterns are diagonal. This doesn't make for a good experience in play, since it's just the same thing for ~2:30m. Stuff like 00:29:512 - to 00:31:779 - , etc feel like you're just recycling the same patterns throughout the entirety of each rhythm's duration. Whilst in the Insane, the patterning is at least somewhat different across each verse. ie 00:28:989 - to 00:31:779 - Even though it's the same pattern copied and pasted, it flows a lot better due to the angles used.

  2. 00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here. Major example being 00:43:640 - and 00:43:989 - . This jump feels quite massive in comparison to any of the other 1/4 jumps that you've used, and is a whole lot harder to feel comfortable in play, and flow wise. Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle. The flow movement aspect between a lot of your 1/4 jump patterns feel rather arbitrary, and inconsistent. In terms of movement, the difficulty would also benefit from more consistently using angled sliders and patterns. This would provide at least some sort of consistency throughout the while copied and pasted patterns present. Going beyond that, using non angled sliders, curves, anything really, would increase emphasis and add much more flow to patterns like 00:49:919 - and 00:50:268 - , or 00:55:500 - and 00:55:849 - .

  3. The hitsounding also feels kind of mediocre. I understand that you're using just the default hitsounds, but when you're also spamming the drum finish for everything, it makes all the sounds sound alike, when in reality, they are not. For example, in the kiai he could switch from spamming the finish to using the soft whistle for the bells in the melody, so they stand out more. Or really, any other sound choice would be nice, considering it all just sounds like one big mess right now. ( 00:29:861 - , 00:31:256 - , 00:34:047 - , etc) Something else that I noticed was how there's no variation between the different finishes that the song provides. The best example would be when there's quite audibly, three different finishes being used at 01:13:681 - , 01:14:374 - , and 01:15:068 - , yet only the default drum finish is used. Even an occasional soft finish would work well to break up the monotony of these hitsound choices.
  4. Due to your choices with excessively using the grid, the playability of patterns suffer, and it's not even for the sake of aesthetics. Having things so straight makes creating emphasis to other things not only not play well, it devalues the interpretation of the pattern. It's not really that big of a concern since everyone does this now, but the top difficulty is quite heavily copied and pasted. Yes, you can say, well it's for consistency, but it doesn't even feel like it's for consistency due to the fact that when it's repeated, the patterns aren't even angled the same way, throwing the player off in terms of expectancy.

  5. Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this, they lose a lot of emphasis, even though the song is consistently changing. ie 01:24:160 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1) - focuses just on one side of the grid, and doesn't change with the song's intonation at all. Most of the patterns feel like they're all following the same rhythmic layer, even though they're very clearly not, making some of the rhythms harder to read than others. 02:08:832 - Hanzer stream into a normal stream with this type of spacing is quite easily misread due to how the mapper earlier mapped the double rhythms. Instead of having everything parallel or vertical, they could have made use of different variations of rotations, which would not only improve gameplay, it would also make for better visual opportunities and variation.

Nitpicking aside, a lot of concepts that were introduced could be polished, and better brought out with more mods and paying more attention to different layers of the music. This especially applies to things that you have hitsounded. (ie 01:21:631 - and 01:21:718 - are hitsounded like a double, yet the patterning is in the form of a triple. Feels quite misleading tbh.)
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

Gordon123 wrote:

Привет, вижу что у тебя тут намечается Qualy и хотелось бы немного помочь, я не БН, но все же)
Смотрел карты(уже ранкнутые) на эту же песню и увидел в тегах иероглифы и задался вопросом, а почему у тебя их нету?
В общем :
【BOFU2016】http://bmsoffighters.net/bofu2016/
BMS : http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
Artist : LeaF https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7
Illustration : セシル◇タイト https://twitter.com/ceciltite
Movie : 想起 https://twitter.com/recallv
Тебе всего лишь стоит при следующем апдейте (когда будут давать квали) добавить:
официального автора иллюстраций LeaF - セシル◇タイト
официального автора муви(видео) LeaF (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYCQrXx8hLw вот оно кстати) - 想起
а так же команду LeaF - 孤高クローバー
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Metadata proofs(если будут просить,но у тебя все нормально) :
1) https://soundcloud.com/leaf-7/alice-in-misanthrope
2) http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cg ... &event=110
В случае если ты уже знал/-ла про все это, то стоило бы уже давно добавить эту информацию!
I'll consider your suggestion and have a talk with BNs

eiri- wrote:

Hello.

I feel like there are some general issues with the top two difficulties. But most notably, Misanthropy. (Hitsounding as well.)

Main issues are: Grid usage, patterning / emphasis, and movement.

  1. The mapset really feels like it disconnects from one difficulty to another. The Insane feels a lot more well thought out, and doesn't just focus on one direction for most of the map. Misanthropy feels like the grid snap was on for the whole thing. and while you can argue that it's just the style, it just doesn't feel like it's as thought out as the other difficulties, due to their usage of varying patterns. The only thing really tying the whole difficulty together is the fact that all the patterns are diagonal. This doesn't make for a good experience in play, since it's just the same thing for ~2:30m. Stuff like 00:29:512 - to 00:31:779 - , etc feel like you're just recycling the same patterns throughout the entirety of each rhythm's duration. Whilst in the Insane, the patterning is at least somewhat different across each verse. ie 00:28:989 - to 00:31:779 - Even though it's the same pattern copied and pasted, it flows a lot better due to the angles used.

  2. 00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here. Major example being 00:43:640 - and 00:43:989 - . This jump feels quite massive in comparison to any of the other 1/4 jumps that you've used, and is a whole lot harder to feel comfortable in play, and flow wise. Same thing goes for when you repeat this 00:40:500 - and 00:40:849 - , except at a much steeper angle. The flow movement aspect between a lot of your 1/4 jump patterns feel rather arbitrary, and inconsistent. In terms of movement, the difficulty would also benefit from more consistently using angled sliders and patterns. This would provide at least some sort of consistency throughout the while copied and pasted patterns present. Going beyond that, using non angled sliders, curves, anything really, would increase emphasis and add much more flow to patterns like 00:49:919 - and 00:50:268 - , or 00:55:500 - and 00:55:849 - .

  3. The hitsounding also feels kind of mediocre. I understand that you're using just the default hitsounds, but when you're also spamming the drum finish for everything, it makes all the sounds sound alike, when in reality, they are not. For example, in the kiai he could switch from spamming the finish to using the soft whistle for the bells in the melody, so they stand out more. Or really, any other sound choice would be nice, considering it all just sounds like one big mess right now. ( 00:29:861 - , 00:31:256 - , 00:34:047 - , etc) Something else that I noticed was how there's no variation between the different finishes that the song provides. The best example would be when there's quite audibly, three different finishes being used at 01:13:681 - , 01:14:374 - , and 01:15:068 - , yet only the default drum finish is used. Even an occasional soft finish would work well to break up the monotony of these hitsound choices.
  4. Due to your choices with excessively using the grid, the playability of patterns suffer, and it's not even for the sake of aesthetics. Having things so straight makes creating emphasis to other things not only not play well, it devalues the interpretation of the pattern. It's not really that big of a concern since everyone does this now, but the top difficulty is quite heavily copied and pasted. Yes, you can say, well it's for consistency, but it doesn't even feel like it's for consistency due to the fact that when it's repeated, the patterns aren't even angled the same way, throwing the player off in terms of expectancy.

  5. Grid usage is also an issue. A lot of the patterns feel incredibly cramped and due to this, they lose a lot of emphasis, even though the song is consistently changing. ie 01:24:160 (4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,1) - focuses just on one side of the grid, and doesn't change with the song's intonation at all. Most of the patterns feel like they're all following the same rhythmic layer, even though they're very clearly not, making some of the rhythms harder to read than others. 02:08:832 - Hanzer stream into a normal stream with this type of spacing is quite easily misread due to how the mapper earlier mapped the double rhythms. Instead of having everything parallel or vertical, they could have made use of different variations of rotations, which would not only improve gameplay, it would also make for better visual opportunities and variation.

Nitpicking aside, a lot of concepts that were introduced could be polished, and better brought out with more mods and paying more attention to different layers of the music. This especially applies to things that you have hitsounded. (ie 01:21:631 - and 01:21:718 - are hitsounded like a double, yet the patterning is in the form of a triple. Feels quite misleading tbh.)
Technically it seems more like a commentary than a mod so I'd assume than that is so. But anyways I will have to clear some things out. Whole extra diff fully represents music and no, grid snap has not been used once since when the mapping has started till the bubble, all of that has been done manually following the concept easily seen on the map. Insane looks different (so do other diffs in one way or another) because I meant since the very beginning to map those differently cos rhythm density changes so does rhythm especially in so rhythm heavy music like that and I didn't want to map it with the same style just decreasing the spacing. With that said insane turned out to be somewhat generic diif which may appeal to most players. I think you may have not checked the map enough and have jumped to the conclusions.
Annabel
None of your response actually addresses any of the playability or hitsounding concerns that I raised. It just states that you wanted to use different concepts. While that is valid, that's not the issue at hand here.
Uberzolik
i agree w/ what ayyri said, this map feels really lackluster

Murasaki Nova wrote:

Whole extra diff fully represents music and no, grid snap has not been used once since when the mapping has started till the bubble, all of that has been done manually following the concept easily seen on the map.
honestly it would probably look better if it was actually grid lol
the angles on the sliders are like almost arbitrary but not really
like it almost wants to all be similar angles so it looks sorta grid-style, but it wasn't actually copy pasted so every slider is ever so slightly not in the same angle
plus the entire difficulty seems to play on the idea of having everything in a specific angle, so not actually having a consistent angle is kinda eehhh
Fouriose

eiri- wrote:

None of your response actually addresses any of the playability or hitsounding concerns that I raised. It just states that you wanted to use different concepts. While that is valid, that's not the issue at hand here.

So what's with the playability, any real concerns not to say being able to play such maps? This map has a lot of testplays to prove its playability and all the found concerns were fixed or changed. Not being able to play any specific type of map is not a mappers fault so let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves. Onto the hitsounds. So does the kiai part looks like it really follows the the main rhythm? I understand the idea of hitsounding each sound with individual hitsound and all of that but with such variety of sounds, pitches etc. it wouldn't be really possible to make it sound good and keep consistent in all diffs so I had no choice but to come up with something that could follow the rhythm on all (almost, except for easy and normal)
diffs and also make different parts in contrast with each other where it is needed. And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.

Also it seems like a lot of "i think it would be better that way" has found their way into this section so if you like grid snap that much - just go on and use it, everyone has their own preferences.
Uberzolik
i'm convinced that people have forgotten that playability isn't just being able to hit the patterns
Foxy Grandpa

Fouriose wrote:

Onto the hitsounds. So does the kiai part looks like it really follows the the main rhythm? I understand the idea of hitsounding each sound with individual hitsound and all of that but with such variety of sounds, pitches etc. it wouldn't be really possible to make it sound good and keep consistent in all diffs so I had no choice but to come up with something that could follow the rhythm on all (almost, except for easy and normal) diffs and also make different parts in contrast with each other where it is needed.

And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.
That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my entire life. Custom hitsounds are the opposite of useless. The point of hitsounding a map is to provide players with additional feedback for the map being played. And with custom hitsounds you can essentially simulate the drums being played in the background so the player has an extra sense of rhythm, which can be applied to every level of difficulty.
Fouriose
Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.
MaridiuS

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.
:arrow: So if I as rank 15k that can easily play the map says the same things eiri- did, my arguments are automatically more valid? The concern is not that the patterns are hard to play, the concern is that they're not fun or intuitive to play because the movement is quite arbitrary and spacing sometimes is really off. eiri- has provided examples for this. Also, would you be kind to stop the passive-aggressiveness? You try to make people involved look like idiots with the "Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess." or "And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward" and does nothing helpful to the discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.
:arrow: You're underestimating how often people use custom hitsounds on tbh. +Having those parts as whistles will even help those people with custom skins because who knows how loud their finish is. Default soft-hitwhistle may do the job perfectly.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.
:arrow: I mean this is a mapping thread that serves for mapping discussion, does it state anywhere that we're only supposed to mod individual patterns? eiri- has clearly presented all issues and stuff that mapper could not be aware off. General modding may help the mapper in much better way than few individual patterns that stick off. Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

:arrow: Murasaki Nova, look we're not trying to pressure you, we're just trying to make you understand the concerns and that the map has a lot of room for improvement. Please don't be biased because it has BN approval, as I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into. The patterns are just randomly clustered and you don't separate new patterns for new sound grouping in the map which may make the patterns distinct, avoid clutterness therefore increasing the quality of the map. In case you'd like, I can offer you some concrete examples with argumentation to why in irc if you're up to it.

:arrow: Fouriose, a common technique is to simply hitsound difficulties of the map differently because they may end up following different layers. There's no issue in hitsounding the top diff and lets say hard in a different manner if they make sense with the map.
Electoz

MaridiuS wrote:

Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.
If you think a bubble makes the mappers become more arrogant then I'll just pop it

it doesn't seem we're getting anything productive here so I'll just pop for the sake of discussion
now you all are free to suggest whatever in a way that improves the map to the best state possible without having the assumption that mapper will not reply cuz bubble anymore

you can call me back once you have reached agreement on everything
Djulus
hello
Fouriose

MaridiuS wrote:

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.


:arrow: So if I as rank 15k that can easily play the map says the same things eiri- did, my arguments are automatically more valid? The concern is not that the patterns are hard to play, the concern is that they're not fun or intuitive to play because the movement is quite arbitrary and spacing sometimes is really off. eiri- has provided examples for this. Also, would you be kind to stop the passive-aggressiveness? You try to make people involved look like idiots with the "Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess." or "And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward" and does nothing helpful to the discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.


:arrow: You're underestimating how often people use custom hitsounds on tbh. +Having those parts as whistles will even help those people with custom skins because who knows how loud their finish is. Default soft-hitwhistle may do the job perfectly.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.


:arrow: I mean this is a mapping thread that serves for mapping discussion, does it state anywhere that we're only supposed to mod individual patterns? eiri- has clearly presented all issues and stuff that mapper could not be aware off. General modding may help the mapper in much better way than few individual patterns that stick off. Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

:arrow: Murasaki Nova, look we're not trying to pressure you, we're just trying to make you understand the concerns and that the map has a lot of room for improvement. Please don't be biased because it has BN approval, as I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into. The patterns are just randomly clustered and you don't separate new patterns for new sound grouping in the map which may make the patterns distinct, avoid clutterness therefore increasing the quality of the map. In case you'd like, I can offer you some concrete examples with argumentation to why in irc if you're up to it.

:arrow: Fouriose, a common technique is to simply hitsound difficulties of the map differently because they may end up following different layers. There's no issue in hitsounding the top diff and lets say hard in a different manner if they make sense with the map.


Yes I've read everything eiri- has said and yes if a player is able to play a map in my opinion his feedback is more valid than of those who can not. But of course if you mark timings as concerning than you should provide alternative or any way of fixing it so mapper can think of your idea, everyone should know it but for some reason I couldn't find any suggestions take this quote for example: "00:40:151 - Rather than feeling flowy, and easy to read, these sliders feel quite random and opposite to what the music is providing here". If that music sounds flowy then I dont know anything about music (try to listen closer, there are clear pitch changes). Seems like the suggestion here is to make it flowy but cant you hear the music?

Those who may have their drums too loud in their skins should fix that because that's not ok, that sounds the same as we had to care about those who may have their hitcircles not matching actual hitboxes.

Common technique isnt the only one am I right? So if this hitsounding does not violate any rules what's about it, surely I'm not the one to decide but you know, opinions.

And about my way of refering to people, that "does nothing helpful to the discussion". So do mods without clear point in their existence. Since the bubble has been popped mapper is no longer ignorant according to you, so now it is clearly opened for any quality suggestions. Imo mods should have clear structure with clear statement of problem, why is it a problem or why this is not acceptable and a solution to this. Isn't that way easier and prevents useless argues like that: you give clear mod with clearly seen point in it - and recieve clear answer, people like to overcomlicate things
Topic Starter
Murasaki Nova

MaridiuS wrote:

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely. Also that's the reason I said quote: "let's leave that to ours subjective thinking or provide sufficient proves". If there's no places that could've been refered to as a problematic and unplayable that's just what you think, same goes for everything else.
:arrow: So if I as rank 15k that can easily play the map says the same things eiri- did, my arguments are automatically more valid? The concern is not that the patterns are hard to play, the concern is that they're not fun or intuitive to play because the movement is quite arbitrary and spacing sometimes is really off. eiri- has provided examples for this. Also, would you be kind to stop the passive-aggressiveness? You try to make people involved look like idiots with the "Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess." or "And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward" and does nothing helpful to the discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Yes hitsounds are ment to provide feedback to player but I think your beloved custom hitsounds ship has a 95% chance to crash in to the same type of iceberg as the custom map skins do: http://puu.sh/Aeut9/4663ff67e6.jpg Unfortunately, that's how most people like their game, and that's my thinking as well, you are free to disagree.
:arrow: You're underestimating how often people use custom hitsounds on tbh. +Having those parts as whistles will even help those people with custom skins because who knows how loud their finish is. Default soft-hitwhistle may do the job perfectly.

Fouriose wrote:

And it seems like I need to really put it straight forward - this section exists for mods, not personal thoughts and stuff (simple feedback messages are ok tho but not trying to prolong this discussion to eternity). With that said if someone wants to talk about playability or maybe provide their maps for test plays (jk) and have a talk about custom hitsounds being an important part of the map, please use forum or in-game PM.
:arrow: I mean this is a mapping thread that serves for mapping discussion, does it state anywhere that we're only supposed to mod individual patterns? eiri- has clearly presented all issues and stuff that mapper could not be aware off. General modding may help the mapper in much better way than few individual patterns that stick off. Besides, the map being bubbled may be dangerous to new mappers, they may think "oh if my map got bubbled that means I don't need to learn anymore, I'm a good enough mapper!" and avoid plenty of general concerns that may help the map and the mapper overall if they don't think they need to improve. If it gets out of hand they will most likely decide to sort it out in irc.

:arrow: Murasaki Nova, look we're not trying to pressure you, we're just trying to make you understand the concerns and that the map has a lot of room for improvement. Please don't be biased because it has BN approval, as I'm sure a vast majority of people would agree with plenty of ayyri's concerns . Some things like lack of grid usage is an obvious flaw that you need to take a closer look into. The patterns are just randomly clustered and you don't separate new patterns for new sound grouping in the map which may make the patterns distinct, avoid clutterness therefore increasing the quality of the map. In case you'd like, I can offer you some concrete examples with argumentation to why in irc if you're up to it.

:arrow: Fouriose, a common technique is to simply hitsound difficulties of the map differently because they may end up following different layers. There's no issue in hitsounding the top diff and lets say hard in a different manner if they make sense with the map.
Where's the pressure on me? Did anyone mention that? All I did is just answer about concept concerns. There was no statement why is that a mistake all it was is "that pattern looks random". Speaking of mods and improving the map, you said you could help, sure I'd gladly accept any help to really make it better. Unfortunately I don't have much time atm on irc so if you don't mind it I'd prefer forum mod even if it'll took more time
MaridiuS

Fouriose wrote:

And about my way of refering to people, that "does nothing helpful to the discussion". So do mods without clear point in their existence. Since the bubble has been popped mapper is no longer ignorant according to you, so now it is clearly opened for any quality suggestions. Imo mods should have clear structure with clear statement of problem, why is it a problem or why this is not acceptable and a solution to this. Isn't that way easier and prevents useless argues like that: you give clear mod with clearly seen point in it - and recieve clear answer, people like to overcomlicate things
:arrow: The first step on general mods is to make the mapper aware of the issue. This is a huge post and doing multiple suggestions for all those aspects will be exhausting to read as a mapper and will feel overwhelming. If you offer just one alternative it will feel like forcing your style, if you offer multiple it will just be a large chunk of text that will be hard to consume. Now let's just let it evolve into discussion into which both parties can come up with a conclusion what actually needs improving and what is just a small preference. Also, saying that other's are doing it is just bad argumentation as it won't change the fact that what you did is still wrong which you by yourself agree that it adds nothing to discussion.

Fouriose wrote:

Common technique isnt the only one am I right? So if this hitsounding does not violate any rules what's about it, surely I'm not the one to decide but you know, opinions.
:arrow: Please don't use the argument "if it doesn't break rules" because it automatically limits any potential improvement and just following those rules is far from getting your map viable for ranked section.

Murasaki Nova wrote:

Where's the pressure on me? Did anyone mention that? All I did is just answer about concept concerns. There was no statement why is that a mistake all it was is "that pattern looks random". Speaking of mods and improving the map, you said you could help, sure I'd gladly accept any help to really make it better. Unfortunately I don't have much time atm on irc so if you don't mind it I'd prefer forum mod even if it'll took more time
:arrow: It is common occurrence that mappers feel really pressured when they get mods for fundamental concerns after the map is nominated, so I'd just rather avoid that if it's so common, don't mind that if you're not. I'll let you deal with ayyri first and other things, as I'm sure she can help in a similar way, after you're done with her and still missing stuff I'll be here.
Stefan

Fouriose wrote:

And no, custom hitsounds are useless I'm not sure why do they even exist, and "classic" hitsounding with emhasis on white ticks is lame.
Yes, nobody really needs creativity and consistency.

Fouriose wrote:

Sigh... One day people will learn to read I guess. Being able to play and "hit the patterns" is the essential part of judging the playability if you can't do so - you can't judge it proprely.
If I consider the movie being garbage, my opinion doesn't count because I am not a movie critic? So by the logic as long at least one player in the entire world can play the map it is good - doesn't matter if the rest disagree. :thinking:
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