1. HAI (4.82 stars, 1215 notes)

Voltaeyx wrote:

Changed Rejected Somewhat Implemented

Hai

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:05:935 (7,1) - I would mybe place the next part after the NC closer to the previous beacause there is no difference in timing gap

00:08:896 (6,7) - ^

The whole purpose of this opening section is to emphasize the bass drum by snapping each time there's a bass drum kick. That being said, I'll change some of the snapping up to better reflect this.

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:20:146 (1,2) - This gap signifies a 1/2 jump but its actually a 1/4

00:21:527 (1,1,2,3,4) - ^, same here the spacing is misleading

00:23:303 (1,2,3) - Same gap for different timing

00:26:461 (1,2,3,4) - line 3

If you just use spacing to make the timing more clear you should be good for this part

Changed

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:30:606 (2) - I would make this into a double beacause both ticks are equal

Good point. Changed

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:30:902 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - This part is really misleading in its spacing, the placement of the notes is good but you need the right gaps between them to convey the timing.

00:38:106 (4,5,6) - misleading spacing moreso between 45 then 56 as the slider 00:38:698 (7) is placed correctly if you base it off of the gap between 56

Changed things up

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:34:553 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - I would keep going downwwards with this pattern

The music repeats so I repeat the pattern

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:34:948 (2,2,2,2) - Remove NC

I don't understand. You highlighted 2's, not new combos

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:40:080 (5,6,7) - If u use gaps in timing like this I would just stack them or use 1/4 sliders for easier reading and less circles (ex: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/TiWOdDq.png)

Yeah I'll try out 1/4 sliders since the 3/4 rhythm is awkward anyway

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:42:054 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - The fact that these are 12 jumps is good but no need for the awkward long jump into a short jump

I like how it emphasizes the beat while still incorporating the lyrics. I may move the 2's farther from the 1's but we'll see how things go.

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:56:659 (1) - This fits the music and is pretty cool but probably is unrankable

01:02:975 (1) - Same as 00:56:659 (1) and all further sliders like this

Have you see the new ranking criteria? It states:
Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end.
It doesn't state anything about slider velocity manipulation anywhere, which implies that slider velocity manipulation can now be allowed given that it is appropriate to the music. I also presented it in a way such that you can be able to tell where the slider pauses are, i.e. they're the only significant red slider points (corners, bumps, humps, etc.) in the entire map (aside from the wiggle sliders). I might have to restructure the beginning sliders to introduce this concept better, however.

gottagof4ast wrote:

00:57:448 (2,3,1) - These have the same gap in timing yet you space the doubles more

00:59:817 (1) - Ctrl + H so its easier to get to from the precious slider

00:59:817 (1,2,3) - Uneven spacing for the same timing

01:11:659 (1,2) - Do the gaps like here, you increased the space beacause the timing gap was bigger

Due to slider-end leniency and the intensity of this section, 1/4 jumps from slider ends should not be a big deal. I take this freedom to map this section the way I did.

gottagof4ast wrote:

01:15:409 (4,1) - Tiny bit of overlap

Rotated the slider downward

gottagof4ast wrote:

01:35:935 (1,2,3,4,5) - make some cooler jumps instead of going round your screen here

Yeah I was meaning to make this section more interesting

gottagof4ast wrote:

01:42:843 (3) - should be next to 01:42:448 (2)

Yeah.

gottagof4ast wrote:

01:47:580 (1) - You already put emphasis on this note by increasisng SV so you don't have to put them apart this far

01:48:370 (1) - ^

Same for next section

This is the climax!

gottagof4ast wrote:

02:04:553 (1) - remove NC

Yeah

gottagof4ast wrote:

02:05:639 (4,1) - Put this a bit closer together

Why? It's the same spacing as the bursts leading into this

gottagof4ast wrote:

02:08:896 (1,1) - looks like a 1/2 gap

02:11:067 (2) - You previously placed this kind of 1/4 after a slider as a stack under the sliderend, also do it here

02:21:132 (5,6,7) - Same as on the sreenshot

Cleaned up this section using your suggestions for the previous identical section as well.

gottagof4ast wrote:

02:22:317 (1,1,1,1) - remove NC

I would have to change all four sections with this pattern but I like having the player playfully snap in these new combo sections.

gottagof4ast wrote:

02:25:080 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - keep sapcing consistent

03:08:106 (1) - remove NC

Made changes according to your suggestions on the previous identical section as well. Similarly rejected similar suggestions

gottagof4ast wrote:

03:25:475 (1) - probably also unrankable (your sliders make me think of the aspire contest)

I'll leave it as it is for now but yeah I may have to change it.

gottagof4ast wrote:

03:26:659 (2,3) - stack these

These are different from the previous stacks, according to the music

gottagof4ast wrote:

03:35:738 (1,1,2,3) - too large of a gap for 1/4

Slider-end leniency, etc. I've said this already

gottagof4ast wrote:

03:51:922 (1) - You don't need a spinner, the break can continue

I agree.

gottagof4ast wrote:

03:57:843 (1,2,3) - use equal spacing

Yeah this looked weird to begin with.

gottagof4ast wrote:

04:26:264 (6,7,1) - The jump emphasis should be put on 71, not 67

04:29:422 (6,7,1) - ^

04:30:211 (3,4) - This gap would signify a 1/1 timing opening due to the huge spacing

04:33:369 (3,4) - ^

Made changes similar to the opening (identical) section.

gottagof4ast wrote:

Gl with the map

Thank you so much for the mod!

gottagof4ast wrote:

So first, don't give kudos for this as its essentially just a part 2 of my previous mod

The spacing between jumps with the timing has gotten better but there are still some mistakes, if you see any of the patterns above mentioned and I didn't timestamp them, they probably also have the same problem unless there is a change in music then u should decide on what to do.

Gl, with the map

squirrelpascals wrote:

why not

First of all, your heavily trying to side-step the new rules of the rc, which is obvious. But it really looks like you're trying to do it "just because."

Voltaeyx wrote:

Every slider must have a clear and visible path to follow from start to end.
It doesn't state anything about slider velocity manipulation anywhere, which implies that slider velocity manipulation can now be allowed given that it is appropriate to the music.

While this is the rule you argue, the sliders you're using have none of these. In sliders like 01:02:975 (1) - , you spam white points from side to side with the exception of the two red points that slow down the slider. This makes sharp curves and corners appear to be the same. 01:09:290 (1) - Is an example of how you better show this aesthetically.

Even then, though, this doesn't matter. To make these sliders enjoyable by the player you should also show this sv manipulation rhythmically. osu! is a rhythm game, after all, so this is probably the point that matters most. Lets take the first slider 00:56:659 (1) - for example (that you would be introducing this concept to the player entirely in ranked gameplay). The slider movement starts at 00:56:659 - , stops at 00:56:856 - starts 00:56:955 - stops 00:57:053 - and starts at 00:57:152 - again. While you did use these speed changes in distinct 1/4 points in the the timeline, there is still no noticeable beats or indicators in the music that would call for a complete stop in slider velocity.

You could argue that sliderends can also end on 1/4 notes without a distinct beat ( 00:57:448 (2) - for example). While this is true, there is a difference between the release of a note and immediate flow changes within a slider, let alone similar flow changes in an entire map itself. The concept of sliderends ending before a new note, which encompasses the wub maps you see today, evolved over time. Sliderends would at first land on distinctive beats to tell the player when to release. Over time, the mapping meta evolved to allow for the release of a slider to allow for rhythmic exaggeration on another slider. Basically the point behind me saying this is, the concept you're using in this map is coming from almost nowhere.

Shiirn's map here was greatly criticized amongst the entire community for using a similar mapping technique. Even when the aesthetics to show the slow-downs in the sliders were extremely obvious, it was expected in the music, and it barely interfered with gameplay, he still had to reduce this slider flow greatly before it was able to be ranked. A lot of people argued how peppy called this same type of slider manipulation a game-breaking element of gameplay. It practically plays like a normal slider now.

However, I'll argue that these types of maps are what the loved section is meant for. While the concept you're using has practically no chance in being ranked, it still utilizes a creative mapping concept. Plus, if the mapping meta evolves further over time, you can always take it out of loved and go for ranked on this again. When I was a newer mapper, I made this one crazy alternator map that used unconventional slider shapes (as this map also has too) and similar, technical flow changes in streams. I tried forever to rank that thing and the map got practically shutdown before it found a place as a loved beatmap.

Plus the song is under 5 minutes, so it cant currently be completely ranked without a set. Right now you just don't have the experience to do this type of thing in a map (nor I, or 99.5% of the mapping community do either). I heavily think that you should save your time with the set and either push to improve the map with mods, throw in some kudosu and put a leaderboard on it and get it loved, or if you really want this particular song to be a ranked map, make an entire set and use conventional mapping concepts.

That ended up being long, but now for the detailed mod

Voltaeyx wrote:

Alright thanks. I made these sliders because I enjoyed them and wanted other people to enjoy them as well. But you're right that I lack any ability to successfully implement such a thing. I'm probably going to give up on this map.