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Maffe

Joined August 2014

Maffe 2017-03-31T20:31:16+00:00

Duel difficulty:

00:07:063 (4) - Place it on top of the sliderend of 00:07:398 (1) -

00:16:113 (1) - Feels awkward to play as an extended slider and i'd change it to a 1/2 slider

00:27:175 (1) - I wouldn't make this extended

00:29:689 (9) - This is in a really weird spot id have it more out of the sliderend or in the sliderend

00:52:314 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its just awkward to play as extended sliders and i feel like the song doesn't support them

01:03:041 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Same here

01:05:555 (4,5,6,7,1) - Awkward flow

01:06:560 (2,3,4,5,1) - Same here

01:15:778 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Blatantly overmapped

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

nextplay 2017-03-31T21:20:45+00:00

@Hou Rearu
Can you please Replay to -Aquas Mod? Thanks.

_Hou

391 posts

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_Hou 2017-03-31T21:21:42+00:00

Maffe wrote:
Duel difficulty:

00:07:063 (4) - Place it on top of the sliderend of 00:07:398 (1) - okay

00:16:113 (1) - Feels awkward to play as an extended slider and i'd change it to a 1/2 slider - dunno, I guess it's fine, keep it for now

00:27:175 (1) - I wouldn't make this extended - But I prefer to do

00:29:689 (9) - This is in a really weird spot id have it more out of the sliderend or in the sliderend - I' ve been setting circles like that for all the map, so as long it's consistently, it's fine

00:52:314 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Its just awkward to play as extended sliders and i feel like the song doesn't support them - for sure they do support

01:03:041 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Same here - ^

01:05:555 (4,5,6,7,1) - Awkward flow - Kinda reworked this part right before your mod

01:06:560 (2,3,4,5,1) - Same here - ^

01:15:778 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Blatantly overmapped - ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-03-31T21:26:22+00:00

-Aqua wrote:
Hello, from somwhere..

[Easy]
- ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯
(fixed)
00:00:024 - The volume is low asf. Mind increasing it? - sure
00:00:694 (1,2) - Would look cleaner if you blanket this. - just trying doing it yourself to realise how pointless is this, it wont be noticable blanket or w/e
00:03:375 (3,4) - Fix blanket. Also why the sudden change of rhythm? They were 1/1 rhythms and suddenly became 1/2 - I guess, blanket's fine, changed rhythm at this point.
I can say, the rhythm is so random. Even I got confused just by looking and listening at it. Also fix the blankets in some parts I didn't mention - ~~useful responce, thaanks~~

Goodluck!

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-03-31T21:27:29+00:00

nextplay wrote:
@Hou Rearu
Can you please Replay to -Aquas Mod? Thanks.

Okay
Update my diffs, waiting GD'ers responce

Thanks for you mods guys ~~and for reminding me replying to somebody's mod, I can't notice them myself~~

Affirmation

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Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-04-01T01:03:56+00:00

Q

[General]
00:45:527 - this can be better preview point.

[Duel]
00:02:538 - add a beat here instead of 00:02:370 -
00:07:231 - Add a beat here
00:21:728 - add a beat here, too
00:37:901 (1) - doesn't need NC, and stack with 00:38:236 (1) - for better reading
00:45:610 (1,2,1) - ANtijump looks not so good for me, this part is going to stronger,
00:54:158 (3) - make into kickslider like other,
01:04:884 (3) - ^
01:09:912 (2) - Jump here. for consistency

GL

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-04-01T06:06:45+00:00

Neoskylove wrote:
Q

[General]
00:45:527 - this can be better preview point. - I prefer mine ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

[Duel]
00:02:538 - add a beat here instead of 00:02:370 - I prefer making intro kinda calm, so I allow myself to skip some bits which are kinda weak compare to those, that I mapped
00:07:231 - Add a beat here - ^
00:21:728 - add a beat here, too - sure
00:37:901 (1) - doesn't need NC, and stack with 00:38:236 (1) - for better reading - removed NC, but I don't think stacking is any necessary, it's fine to read.
00:45:610 (1,2,1) - ANtijump looks not so good for me, this part is going to stronger - good point
00:54:158 (3) - make into kickslider like other, - considering that
01:04:884 (3) - ^
01:09:912 (2) - Jump here. for consistency - emphasised strong drum beast, no change

GL

Thanks for mod

_Meep_

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_Meep_ 2017-04-02T02:00:01+00:00

k_hand: preview point

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-04-02T12:56:20+00:00

_Meep_ wrote:
:ok_hand: preview point

does it even matter???

Lama Poluna

796 posts

Joined June 2014

Lama Poluna 2017-04-02T13:14:41+00:00

[General]

Теги: Watanabe Sho Toku
Карты кончаются на разной секунде:
01:25:833 - Easy
01:27:845 - Fanteer's Normal
01:27:845 - Hard
01:27:845 - Insane
01:27:844 - Masha's Extra
01:26:504 - Namki's Another
01:27:845 - TheMefisto's Extra
01:27:844 - Duel
И мне кажется нормальный хитнормал ужасный и вообще не подходит к песне, он нереальное говно и портит все.

[Duel]

00:05:387 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - Ты мапаешь тут синие тики. но ты игноришь самый сильный бит из всех этих 00:05:806 - .
00:08:739 (1) - Почему тут не сделать тоже самое что и 00:07:063 (4) - ?
00:12:594 (5) - Такая спокойная часть, можешь спейсинг поменьше?
00:18:627 (3) - Ты мапаешь тут такой слайдер, потому что там есть звук, да, но он есть и тут 00:18:627 (3) - , а 00:20:136 (1) - это вообще овермап. 00:20:806 (4) - овермап, а тут 00:20:722 - ноту.
00:26:169 (1) - Разве именно клепом тут нужно подчеркивать вокал?
00:40:918 (5) - НК, ибо ты всегда ставил НК на вокале, значит и тут надо.
00:42:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Можно импрувнуть форму до нормального круга.
00:45:359 - Тут лучше мапнуть стак, ибо звук с (2) продолжается.
00:45:946 (1) - Можно добавить ХС какой нибудь, такой момент классный.
00:46:532 (2,7) - Ты ставишь эти ноты когда захочишь? Если ты там слышишь милипиську звука, то нужно поставить и 00:46:532 (2,7) - 00:48:543 - и т.д . Ты тупо ставишь рандом?
00:47:622 (6) - НК
00:50:303 (6) - НК
00:50:974 (1) - НК вообще не нужен, тут ничего не меняется вообще.
00:51:644 (4) - А тут он обязательно нужен. Ты ставишь НК, как будто ты маппер из 2010.
И в следующей части точно так же НК надо.
01:12:259 (3) - НК
01:17:789 (9) - Если ты хочешь подчеркнуть пианино, то лучше юзануть 1/12.
Заключение: НК просто ужасны и хитнормал настолько говно, что модить невозможно.
В диффе маши комбо колоры не из сета, это все.

Удачи~

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-04-02T19:28:41+00:00

Lama Poluna wrote:
[General]
Теги: Watanabe Sho Toku - хз чё эт, но добавил
Карты кончаются на разной секунде - fixwed
И мне кажется нормальный хитнормал ужасный и вообще не подходит к песне, он нереальное говно и портит все. -~~Заебись~~
[Duel]
00:05:387 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - Ты мапаешь тут синие тики. но ты игноришь самый сильный бит из всех этих 00:05:806 - Сделал ревёрс тут 00:05:387 (5) - .
00:08:739 (1) - Почему тут не сделать тоже самое что и 00:07:063 (4) - ? - там нет такого звука?
00:12:594 (5) - Такая спокойная часть, можешь спейсинг поменьше? - хм, согласен
00:18:627 (3) - Ты мапаешь тут такой слайдер, потому что там есть звук, да, но он есть и тут 00:18:627 (3) - , а 00:20:136 (1) - это вообще овермап. 00:20:806 (4) - овермап, а тут 00:20:722 - ноту. - сюда ты запихнул два пункта, я полагаю. Первое: 00:18:627 (3) - здесь сделан кик слайдер дабы не съедать 1/2 слайдером вот этот бит 00:18:795 - , которого нет тут 00:19:298 - . Второе: не думаю что здесь есть овермап, просто вокал совпадает с битом который я выделял тут 00:18:627 -, однако играется это немного странно, поэтому я упростил этот фрагмент, заменив 00:20:136 - 00:20:806 - 1/2 слайдерами
00:26:169 (1) - Разве именно клепом тут нужно подчеркивать вокал? - упс, поправил
00:40:918 (5) - НК, ибо ты всегда ставил НК на вокале, значит и тут надо. - фикс
00:42:091 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Можно импрувнуть форму до нормального круга. Фикс. ~~Блять как я вообще лепил эту парашу~~
00:45:359 - Тут лучше мапнуть стак, ибо звук с (2) продолжается. - стак я уже делал, получалось так себе
00:45:946 (1) - Можно добавить ХС какой нибудь, такой момент классный. - Дай мне такой хитсаунд <3 (а с ним и хитнормал за который меня не будет хейтить каждый встречный)
00:46:532 (2,7) - Ты ставишь эти ноты когда захочишь? Если ты там слышишь милипиську звука, то нужно поставить и 00:46:532 (2,7) - 00:48:543 - и т.д . Ты тупо ставишь рандом?
00:47:622 (6) - НК
00:50:303 (6) - НК
00:50:974 (1) - НК вообще не нужен, тут ничего не меняется вообще.
00:51:644 (4) - А тут он обязательно нужен. Ты ставишь НК, как будто ты маппер из 2010.
И в следующей части точно так же НК надо.
01:12:259 (3) - НК
Вроде поставил все НК как ты посоветовал.
01:17:789 (9) - Если ты хочешь подчеркнуть пианино, то лучше юзануть 1/12. - Да, звучит лучше, спасибо
Заключение: НК просто ужасны и хитнормал настолько говно, что модить невозможно. - Досадно
В диффе маши комбо колоры не из сета, это все. - Ок, поправлю
Удачи~

Спасибо за чудесный мод !!

saggi

309 posts

Joined March 2016

saggi 2017-04-02T20:00:43+00:00

Love the last diff

GL in mapping

_Hou

391 posts

Joined November 2014

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_Hou 2017-04-02T20:16:06+00:00

DominiGG wrote:
Love the last diff
GL in mapping

Thanks dude

ncuh

185 posts

Joined July 2013

ncuh 2017-04-03T09:38:29+00:00

чё по гд инсейна

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-04-03T09:53:01+00:00

ncuh wrote:
чё по гд инсейна

Не, мапсет закончен

TheMefisto

403 posts

Joined August 2014

TheMefisto 2017-04-04T10:04:30+00:00

Trynna wrote:
TheMefisto

00:02:705 (1) - woudn't it be nice to make it 1/1 and make 00:03:208 - clickable? I really feel like missing something here, even if you just say things like "simplifying sounds is ok on calm parts" But I still wanna say that it's calm part .-.
00:06:057 (1,2,3,4) - any reason to make the spacing so high? I really feel like it's unnecessary and doesn't fit that much It's pretty "agressive/loud" part, so reduced spacing isn't fit better here :thinking:
00:10:415 (3,4) - the impact goes really low, maybe the spacing should support it I guess (I mean, go also lower than the previous jump) I kinda agree, changed
00:24:828 (1,2) - swapping them would create a very neat rhythm here, 00:24:996 - should be clickable for sure :/ I don't think so. This one 00:25:164 - sounds really stronger, so put slider-end on it isn't fit at all. Also slider + circle follow vocal better here
00:32:203 - the stream starts on 00:32:035 - ?? Hmm...I don't clearly hear sound here 00:32:119 - . Anyway, even if you heard something, it's pretty weak, so I won't emphasize it as circle
00:34:214 (1,2) - I really feel like this pattern should be consistent with 00:33:543 (3,4) - 00:36:225 (3,4) - 00:37:398 (2,3,4) - Vocal in these moments isn't the same, so I guess it's ok
00:43:599 (2) - NC would be nice lol but you might want to avoid it cuz 3 at once already, though it really marks a new section... Ye, why not
00:55:834 (2) - make it a kick slider would be great, there's a sound on 00:55:918 - that is weird to ignore imo And again, I hear nothing here. Anyway, it makes sense if I do this to emphasize "somethnig-like-violin" sound, but it's too excessive imo

Your rhythm choice here is something really messy that i can't understand so well, like, let's use 00:11:421 (1,2,3,4,1) - as example: 00:11:421 (1,2) - is clearly following the instrumental actually, the vocal goes for something like circle on 00:11:421 - and slider on 00:11:588 -, cuz well, the instrumental is emphasizing the white ticks!! but then 00:11:923 (3,4,1) - ???? it makes the player gets confused, the player will at least expect a circle on 00:12:594 - and a slider on 00:12:761 -, but this is also easy to recognize that you are not following things well on 00:11:923 (3,4) - already. So let me explain this. First of all, I follow not only instruments here 00:11:421 (1,2) - , but also vocal, because this slider 00:11:421 (1) - covers first word of vocal, then next two sliders 00:11:923 (3,4) - cover next two words. 1/1 slider works in same way. In this case, I don't think this rhythm will confuse players

There are more parts like this that i couldn't understand that much. The worst pattern here in terms of rhythm choice and stuff is the stream on 00:38:236 -, the NCs makes no sense at all, the transitional kicks are senseless too (you just tried to add it on the guitar sound, but didn't work so well I guess) and 00:40:247 (5,6,7,8,9) - I think both should be similar. And again. I use NC to let players recognize that sounds became more intense. It's not useless, because I increased spacing after every NCs actually. Also, 1/4 sliders should work well with guitar sound imo.

We can discuss about it if you want tho, maybe i missed something

m3gB3g wrote:
TheMefisto extra
01:23:739 (1) - а почему бы тут тоже собственный красивый слайдер не сделать? Смотрелось бы гармонично с остальными экстрами Не хочу слайдер тут, спиннер больше нравится ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks for mods! \w/

Updatezzz

evth

245 posts

Joined December 2014

evth 2017-04-05T11:33:30+00:00

Duel
00:00:024 (1,2,3) - начнем с того что это начало карт, и кривизна этого паттерна сильно бросается в глаза, сделай что ли эти ноты просто в ряд или друг под другом.
00:03:376 (4) - не очень хорошо начинать круговой слайдер с двойки, всегда старайся делать слайдеркак можно ровнее если сразу перед ним есть ноты или после него.
00:10:750 (2,3) - после предыдущих двоек этот момент читается очень очень сложно, и скорее всего люди будут брейкать не понимая что произошло.
00:17:454 (3,4) - ctl+g
00:32:203 (1) - судя по музыке стрим начинается только от сюда
00:32:873 (1) - сделай форму слайдер более красивее , что то типо того

00:52:985 (1,3) - я конечно понимаю что переделывать ты их уже не будешь, но на будущее такие повторяющиеся патерны очень не приятно играть.
01:09:745 (1,2) - очень не приятная и противная двойка, почему бы просто не увести джамп в низ? и старрейт бустит, и играется гораздо приятнее и не сбивает с ритма.

Masha's Extra
00:03:208 (2,3) - выровняй ноты относительно слайдера

00:32:203 (5) - нк?
00:52:817 (3,1) - очень сложный и спорный по игре момент то ли из за нумерации комбо, то ли из за анти флоу я не понял куда вести курсор после кик слайдера. Опять же повторяющиеся паттерны не приятны при игре.

TheMefisto's Extra
00:05:722 (3) - нк
00:32:203 (4) - нк

в общем не в обиду конечно, но ласт дифу лучше перемапать, будет намного лучше, а так же пофикси теги они разные

lit120

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Joined August 2013

lit120 2017-04-05T17:48:49+00:00

[general]

00:45:569 - i'd set a preview at here instead, since that timing looks really nice to have a preview set
the hitsoudns, pls

[Duel]

00:11:445 - 00:16:784 - i wonder why u made a mistake on hitsounds, despite it's not a downbeat drum sound .-.
00:43:599 (1,2,3) - i'd make a perfect triangle sliders since it's just the same rhythm and beat there, rather than making a different spacing from those 3
01:07:733 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - that's not how the rhythm works based on the beat like this, cuz i don't feel any intense part there from this part
01:17:203 (4,5) - why's the blue tick here are mapped? it's rly overmapped tbh

[masha]

00:33:879 (3) - this is a weird way to start a slider. would set a 1/1 slider at 00:34:214 - instead for its perfect beat on the vocal's timing
00:33:879 (3) - u should map 4 1/2 notes here instead. if u don't want to change it, then a 1/1 slider + a note will do the trick
00:44:102 (2,3,4) - uh, some people might confused on this part, so i'd suggest sth like this for the beat http://puu.sh/vahYT/76cbe336fd.jpg . plus, NCs pls
00:48:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - why did u have to map like this? well, to start off, this isn't sth like how the rhythm works like setting a notes all over the place. i'd set a 1/2 sliders there instead for following a vocals or doing sth else different from it
00:59:354 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - ^
01:10:583 (2,3,5,6,8,9) - stacking seems like a bit boring to play though
01:10:918 (4,7) - i'd nc this instead
01:15:108 (4,5) - overmapped. i only heard this http://puu.sh/vaid1/06e73657df.jpg
01:16:113 - 01:16:616 - 01:17:119 - u sure u don't want to map this?
01:22:650 (2,3,4) - the flow here is kinda awkward like u have to hit (3), then going back to (4) behind (3), which is weird for the flow movement
01:23:655 (1) - pls do sth with the slider volume

[themefisto]

01:16:113 - 01:16:616 - 01:17:119 - u sure u don't want to map this?

[namki]

00:00:694 (4) - NC, 00:01:364 (1) - remove NC
01:23:655 (5) - why 1/4 slider? just a note here is enough, since that blue tick is absent for the note

[insane]

00:43:599 (1) - slow the slider speed down a bit
00:44:605 (1,2) - rip stack
01:21:476 (2,4) - nice overlap. needs to get away with it

that last diff needs a lot of work

_Hou

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_Hou 2017-04-06T12:37:21+00:00

lit120 wrote:
[general]
00:45:569 - i'd set a preview at here instead, since that timing looks really nice to have a preview set - okay
the hitsoudns, pls -
[Duel]
00:11:445 - 00:16:784 - i wonder why u made a mistake on hitsounds, despite it's not a downbeat drum sound - hitsounds rework inc
00:43:599 (1,2,3) - i'd make a perfect triangle sliders since it's just the same rhythm and beat there, rather than making a different spacing from those 3 - Sure
01:07:733 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - that's not how the rhythm works based on the beat like this, cuz i don't feel any intense part there from this part - But I do feel intense
01:17:203 (4,5) - why's the blue tick here are mapped? it's rly overmapped tbh - fiex
[insane]
00:43:599 (1) - slow the slider speed down a bit - nah, okay
00:44:605 (1,2) - rip stack - purposly i guess
01:21:476 (2,4) - nice overlap. needs to get away with it - ?
that last diff needs a lot of work - ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

Thaks for your mod

-ckopoctb- wrote:
Duel
00:00:024 (1,2,3) - начнем с того что это начало карт, и кривизна этого паттерна сильно бросается в глаза, сделай что ли эти ноты просто в ряд или друг под другом. - Уверен это нормально
00:03:376 (4) - не очень хорошо начинать круговой слайдер с двойки, всегда старайся делать слайдер как можно ровнее если сразу перед ним есть ноты или после него. - Нет не буду стараться делать слайдер ровнее, вообще не вижу никакого основания под этим пунктом, просто тебе не понравилось.
00:10:750 (2,3) - после предыдущих двоек этот момент читается очень очень сложно, и скорее всего люди будут брейкать не понимая что произошло. - Ну, здесь довольно сильное и резкое изменение мелодичной части, так что это ложится на музыку хорошо, если кто-то не может это прочесть, их проблемы.
00:17:454 (3,4) - ctl+g - нет
00:32:203 (1) - судя по музыке стрим начинается только от сюда - нет, он начинается тут. 00:32:035 -
00:32:873 (1) - сделай форму слайдер более красивее - Мой слайдер достаточно красив
00:52:985 (1,3) - я конечно понимаю что переделывать ты их уже не будешь, но на будущее такие повторяющиеся патерны очень не приятно играть. - ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯
01:09:745 (1,2) - очень не приятная и противная двойка, почему бы просто не увести джамп в низ? и старрейт бустит, и играется гораздо приятнее и не сбивает с ритма. Я хотел выделить ударные биты стаком, я выделил их стаком, не нахожу надобности что-то менять
- okay

в общем не в обиду конечно, но ласт дифу лучше перемапать, будет намного лучше, а так же пофикси теги они разные - Пофиксил теги.

Спасибо за мод

_Hou

391 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-06T16:46:26+00:00

-ckopoctb- wrote:
Duel
00:17:454 (3,4) - ctl+g - стой, я тупой, ты сказал что сделать а я так и не заметил что что-то не так. fixed

Xinying

559 posts

Joined July 2013

Xinying 2017-04-06T16:53:22+00:00

I'm a simple man, I see TV Size SAO I provide free mod services xd what the hell is this asuna fest?

General

You might want to consider delaying preview point, the "te" vocal before "yume de" sounds very redundant and off
Easy: OD2? It fits the spread better with Normal as OD4
Normal: AR6 feels too fast for a normal with your style. I'll say AR5 at the most
Both Hard and Insane are HP2... you might want to change that
I'll ignore hitsounds for this mod because you did say it's being remade. I guess you can tell it's bad

Hard

Seriously, your NCs are all over the place. I don't see a logical reasoning behind your usage. Perhaps just stick to the classic NC every downbeat (unless it's a slow section)
00:08:739 (6) - NC here to split the long combo into two and emphasis downbeat at the same time
00:37:398 (5,6,1) - The spacing. 00:37:901 (6,1) - Looks like a 1/2 jump. Maybe just stack 00:38:236 (1) - on 00:37:901 (6) -
00:55:834 (5) - & 00:56:002 (6) - place them around 135|156. Similar to above, they have the spacing of a 1/2
01:09:074 (5,6,7,8) - This is done nicely, and it's what I'm talking about above^

Insane

00:21:141 (1) - definitely an unnecessary NC
00:45:610 (1,2) - I would ctrl-g these notes. It creates a jump here 00:45:778 (2,3) - which emphasises the crash sound and it plays really well imo

This difficulty was pretty neat, cool!

Namki's Another

00:12:259 (3) - Trying using a rhythm and placement like this. Ignoring the drum beat 00:12:426 - here is absurd.
Oh wells but you repeated the same rhythm, I guess change or not it's up to you, I just don't think using 00:14:605 (1,2) - these rhythm for vocals and suddenly transitioning to single notes play very well
00:36:895 (1,2) - blanket could be better (nazi)
00:45:946 (3) - Space this note out more to emphasize the crash sound?
01:07:733 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The repeated clap (only clap) here was done really nicely, please keep it when thne hitsounds is remade haha

TheMefisto's Extra

your style reminds me of gaia's maps a lot

Don't see anything wrong with this diff. Great hitsounds you have, great style and structure!

Masha's Extra

00:05:219 (2,3) - Would prefer NC'ing both of these because 1. sv change and 2. emphasis on point (1), anyways you did it here 00:16:113 (1,1,1) - which is basically kind of the same
Nothing much that I can criticize, but some parts don't really feel right but it's hard to explain. 00:51:644 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Take this pattern for example, even though the concept it the same from other diffs, it feels weird to play it like this (maybe because of the sharp angle jumps?). And "1-2 1-2" jump patterns 00:59:689 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - placed here are not following anything at all. Imo these jumps only fit (A-whistle, B-clap) A-B-A-B red tick rhythms, but the song's rhythm is A-B-A-B on the 1/1 beat snap divisor

Duel

woah AR2? or did my osu bugged itself again (I'll mod this assuming it's ar 9.4)
00:10:750 (2,3,4,5) - The stacks feels really awkward to play especially when the pitch are different for each note. Try something like this instead? Stack (5) on (2) after
01:09:745 (1,2) - because of the 1-2 1-2 jumps earlier, placing a flow break here plays really off. I would suggest a placement like this or whatever that encourages jump and emphasis on 01:10:080 (3,1) - .

_Hou

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Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-06T18:22:44+00:00

Xinying wrote:
I'm a simple man, I see TV Size SAO I provide free mod services xd what the hell is this asuna fest? - exactly

General
You might want to consider delaying preview point, the "te" vocal before "yume de" sounds very redundant and off - reasonable
Easy: OD2? It fits the spread better with Normal as OD4 - okay sure
Both Hard and Insane are HP2... you might want to change that - oops, fixed
I'll ignore hitsounds for this mod because you did say it's being remade. I guess you can tell it's bad - ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯

Hard
Seriously, your NCs are all over the place. I don't see a logical reasoning behind your usage. Perhaps just stick to the classic NC every downbeat (unless it's a slow section) - nah, worked with ncs somehow
00:08:739 (6) - NC here to split the long combo into two and emphasis downbeat at the same time - sure
00:37:398 (5,6,1) - The spacing. 00:37:901 (6,1) - Looks like a 1/2 jump. Maybe just stack 00:38:236 (1) - on 00:37:901 (6) -
00:55:834 (5) - & 00:56:002 (6) - place them around 135|156. Similar to above, they have the spacing of a 1/2
01:09:074 (5,6,7,8) - This is done nicely, and it's what I'm talking about above^ - good point, fixed all above

Insane
00:21:141 (1) - definitely an unnecessary NC - makes sense
00:45:610 (1,2) - I would ctrl-g these notes. It creates a jump here 00:45:778 (2,3) - which emphasises the crash sound and it plays really well imo -Good point of emphasising but did it my own way
This difficulty was pretty neat, cool! - Really glad to hear that

Duel
woah AR2? or did my osu bugged itself again (I'll mod this assuming it's ar 9.4) - ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯
00:10:750 (2,3,4,5) - The stacks feels really awkward to play especially when the pitch are different for each note. Try something like this instead? Stack (5) on (2) after - dunno on my point it exactly fits this sudden melody change, yeah it might be hard a bit to read, but sure it's reasonable
01:09:745 (1,2) - because of the 1-2 1-2 jumps earlier, placing a flow break here plays really off. I would suggest a placement like this or whatever that encourages jump and emphasis on 01:10:080 (3,1) - all 3 beats have drum bit but only 1,2 has vocals aswel so I emphasis them and not 3,1. And I want make them different from previous jumps, and if I make a triangle how you suggest it's hardly noticeable during gameplay.

Thanks, good mod
Really that's cool to see such efforts you put in mod

Last edited by _Hou 2017-04-06T20:33:49+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Namki

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Joined November 2014

Namki 2017-04-06T18:28:55+00:00

Xinying wrote:
Namki's Another
00:12:259 (3) - Trying using a rhythm and placement like this. Ignoring the drum beat 00:12:426 - here is absurd. it's not an absurd it's an exact idea, I am following vocals here as they're more prominent.
Oh wells but you repeated the same rhythm, I guess change or not it's up to you, I just don't think using 00:14:605 (1,2) - these rhythm for vocals and suddenly transitioning to single notes play very well
00:36:895 (1,2) - blanket could be better (nazi)
00:45:946 (3) - Space this note out more to emphasize the crash sound? great catch
01:07:733 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - The repeated clap (only clap) here was done really nicely, please keep it when thne hitsounds is remade haha I'm not who doing with this, tho

thanks

DIFF

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Kilabarus

999 posts

Joined May 2015

Kilabarus 2017-04-08T21:06:12+00:00

[quote="m3gB3g"]~Прив
OOOO ДАА СНГ МАПЕНГ С КОЛЕН!

[quote]Masha extra :
00:58:683 (6,7) - ctrl+G ? (не вижу смысла тут ломать флоу, после идущий слайдер и так задаёт новый флоу с вокалом) Да
00:47:957 (6,7) - ^ я хоть и вижу по какой логике ломается, но сломай хотя бы ту чуть помягче чтоли.. Да
01:00:527 (9) - чуть пониже, пожалуйста Не
00:31:532 (3) - выпрями его хоть чуточку (вот он же палкой стоит.. 00:30:862 (1) - (можно или его согнуть)) Не
00:38:236 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Ухх как охуенно! Отличный стрим! Сарказм?

Спасибо

Masha's Extra
00:03:208 (2,3) - выровняй ноты относительно слайдера

Зачем?
00:32:203 (5) - нк? Да
00:52:817 (3,1) - очень сложный и спорный по игре момент то ли из за нумерации комбо, то ли из за анти флоу я не понял куда вести курсор после кик слайдера. Опять же повторяющиеся паттерны не приятны при игре. Я так чувствую музыку и эти похожие части

У меня ничего нет об этом в аимоде

Спасибо

[masha]

00:33:879 (3) - this is a weird way to start a slider. would set a 1/1 slider at 00:34:214 - instead for its perfect beat on the vocal's timing Fixed
00:33:879 (3) - u should map 4 1/2 notes here instead. if u don't want to change it, then a 1/1 slider + a note will do the trick Mapped in my way
00:44:102 (2,3,4) - uh, some people might confused on this part, so i'd suggest sth like this for the beat http://puu.sh/vahYT/76cbe336fd.jpg . plus, NCs pls Not remapped, but NCed
00:48:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - why did u have to map like this? well, to start off, this isn't sth like how the rhythm works like setting a notes all over the place. i'd set a 1/2 sliders there instead for following a vocals or doing sth else different from it Watch Monstrata's maps
00:59:354 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - ^ ^
01:10:583 (2,3,5,6,8,9) - stacking seems like a bit boring to play though its
01:10:918 (4,7) - i'd nc this instead yea lul
01:15:108 (4,5) - overmapped. i only heard this http://puu.sh/vaid1/06e73657df.jpg You kinda right but I dont want to change it, it seems to me pretty fine even if its overmapped
01:16:113 - 01:16:616 - 01:17:119 - u sure u don't want to map this? Sure lol, vocal emphasizing
01:22:650 (2,3,4) - the flow here is kinda awkward like u have to hit (3), then going back to (4) behind (3), which is weird for the flow movement flow in 2017 lul
01:23:655 (1) - pls do sth with the slider volume Sure

Thanks

Masha's Extra

00:05:219 (2,3) - Would prefer NC'ing both of these because 1. sv change and 2. emphasis on point (1), anyways you did it here 00:16:113 (1,1,1) - which is basically kind of the same
Nothing much that I can criticize, but some parts don't really feel right but it's hard to explain. 00:51:644 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - Take this pattern for example, even though the concept it the same from other diffs, it feels weird to play it like this (maybe because of the sharp angle jumps?). And "1-2 1-2" jump patterns 00:59:689 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - placed here are not following anything at all. Imo these jumps only fit (A-whistle, B-clap) A-B-A-B red tick rhythms, but the song's rhythm is A-B-A-B on the 1/1 beat snap divisor 1st) I feel music like it 2nd) You are right

Thanks

Diff: https://puu.sh/vdPmU/6952fee06c.osu

m3gB3g

275 posts

Joined January 2015

m3gB3g 2017-04-09T08:45:06+00:00

@MashaSG
ТЫ РЕАЛЬНО ДУМАЕШЬ,ЧТО Я БУДУ ТОКСИКОВАТЬ НА СНГ МАПЕРОВ?!
серьёзно. Стрим реально хорош.

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,060 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2017-04-09T08:55:06+00:00

Hey, I was talking to a good friend of mine about this difficulty, so I decided I would give it a look, While we were at it, I though I'd clariy a few things I disagree with you on.

MashSG wrote:
Watch Monstrata's maps

Sorry, I don't think this is the way it is meant to work. Let's try to go through the difficulty andtry to come up with a reasonable discussion, rather than vague references to some other sets. I'll do it in English, as I feel like this is the language that we both are more comfortable with, hope it's not gonna add any inconvenience.

[Masha's Extra]

00:08:069 (3,4,5,1) - I am fairly sure that the pattern here does not match the idea you wanted to represent. Let me explain that: assuming that you intended to repreent the keys/synth sounds, just like you did with 00:06:057 (1,2,3) - it is pretty obvious that 00:08:069 (3) - is much stronger as it has a very powerful note yet it is not stressed in any way in terms of spacing. I would recommend different patterning here, as to match the intensity of the beats.
This would do just fine, as 00:07:398 (1,4) - each sound of that kind is stressed with a slider and a jump, and the rest of the stuff that follows the drums is mapped with more or less low-spaced circles.
00:09:409 (3) - subjectively, I precieve (3) as a stronger beat, therefore, I would expect a more spaced jump to it. Consider giving more stress on 00:09:409 (3) - and then reducing spacing, so that the next jump on 00:09:912 (1) - gives it enough emphasis. This, I believe, would correlate with the song in a better way.
If you want an example, here's what I've got
00:16:113 (1,1) - I understand that the hitsounding in general has been criticized in quite a harsh way recently, but this is something that is more or less specific to your difficulty, since you are using veryy loud Normal sampleset hitsounding here. Try muting (5% volume, which is the closest we can get) the slidertails just like it has been done in the Duel difficulty, or take Namki's approach, when they just lower the overall volume and keep hitnormals unmuted.
00:17:119 (2,3,4,5) - essentially, you label all four of the circles as something monotonous, yet, this isn't really the case. According to both the music and your own hitsounding, 00:17:119 (2) - is stronger and has more to it, yet, it uses lower spacing. Can you please explain why?
Note: 00:19:130 (3,4) - sort of similar concept here. Strong hitsound support and a very clear and loud beat, yet smaller spacing.
Note2: as a matter of fact, there is a good number of patterns following the same idea, and I fail to understand what is the point of that and in what way they represent the actual music. I'll link a few more examples, so that you can get the idea 00:26:002 (4,5,6) - 00:27:510 (1,2,3) - 00:30:191 (6,7,1) -
00:39:912 (7) - would you mind explaining the rhythm here? It feels like you intended to switch to the synth/bass sound, which has a pretty clear end on 00:40:080 - so, it'd make more sense to finish the slider there. If, however, you intended to follow the stream sound, a 1/4 slider with two reverses would make a lot more sense, I believe.
00:41:421 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again, I don't really see what you intend to show. there are no considerable changes to the drum sound, so that a switch from a rather compressed stream to spaced kick sliders doesn't feel justified. Naturally, I assumed that you were following vocals, yet this was not the case as they are based on 1/1 stuff, as far as I can tell 00:41:421 - 00:41:756 - listen to these, these are the beats where vocals have a certain degree of strength Now let's listen to 00:41:588 - 00:41:923 - which appear to be more drum-based.
00:43:432 (3,1,2) - the sliderpath is covered in a way that can cause reading difficulties. Why not just work something that would be a bit more readable, let's say something like this? Let me explain why:I see it as something that is not just gimmicky with no correlation to the music, but it is also inconsistent with your mapping style. Most of the tymes similar patterns used exactly the kind of visuals, I suggested, take 00:04:884 (1,2,3) - 00:16:113 (1,1) - 00:20:136 (1,2) - 00:20:806 (3,4) - as examples!
00:48:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - I am also not very content with the response you've given to the point concerning these jumps. Let's try it again. Let's subdivide it and see what you have to back up your mapping decisions, so we can understand it better!
1. 00:48:292 (1) - intense vocals ignoring the vocals pitch on 00:48:627 - and leaving a strong beat unclickable.
2. 00:48:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - marking every beat as exactly the same (in terms of spacing and patterning) yet they are quite different. (2) follows vocals, (3) is supported with strong jumps, yet (4) is just a regular drum beat with nothing to justify the jump pattern.
  Note: same applies to 00:49:465 (6,8) -
3. 00:50:136 (1,2) - 00:50:471 (3,4) - 00:50:806 (5,6) - when compared to the previous pattern, there is no considerable change on spacingm yet this part has more vocals and generally feels more tense. The only pattern in this combo that does introduce more intense spacing values is 00:51:141 (7,8,9) - but then it sort of breaks the tension, as it immediately gets stopped/broken with a stack 00:50:303 (2,9,1) .
  I believe that reworking this patterning could benefit it a lot. Here's how I would do it, 00:48:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - there'd be an even ratio of sliders to jumps here, making this part easier, 00:50:136 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this part would use lower spacing and circles only as to show the tension increase and than the final jump on 00:51:476 (9,1) - that'd be some kind of a climax as well as a nice way to finish the pattern.
01:00:862 (1,2,3,4) - would you mind commenting on the curve you are using here? As fas as I can tell the sound is no different from the rest of the kiai, yet this is the only pattern of this kind ever used in this difficulty. This sort of gives an impression of inconsistency and contraddicting with your style.
Note: oh, and since 01:00:694 (10,1) - are stacked it considerably lowers the readability of the pattern. Here is an example of what you could do that follows the general flow/patterning concept you've used.
01:15:108 (4,5) - the readability of these sliders quite alarms me. Considering that you've used streams more often, it would probably be a good idea to use streams here as well, as to prevent the reading difficulty that the second reverse arrows cause.

I guess this will do for the time being, summarizing the majority of my concerns. I hope this explains my point of view and I'll be happy to hear your commentaries and explanations.

Feel free to ask me if you find something difficult to understand. I'll be glad to discuss or explain my concerns in detail!

_Hou

391 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-09T12:49:36+00:00

~~Nice avatar Bakari~~

Mirash

Beatmap Nominator

705 posts

Joined June 2013

Mirash 2017-04-14T08:25:20+00:00

[Duel]

00:30:862 (3) - нк на вокал раньше ставил, может и тут? свапни с 00:30:191 (1) -
00:36:895 (5) - нк, как 00:35:555 (1) - тут
00:49:968 (4,1) - можно свапнуть нк под вокал
00:52:147 (4,1) - эти и дальше такие же, а можешь оставить, но тогда в начале поставь все также под больше белые
короче, дифа крутая, но нк и хсы мне не очень нравятся, 01:21:812 (1) - это например вообще ни к чему, лучше на большой белый. наведи порядок в нк или не наводи может я не понял тогда забей

[Masha's Extra]
я пропущу ее, пока ты не принял мод длинною в стену, если надо позовешь потом

[TheMefisto's Extra]

00:28:683 (6,1) - свапни местами, на поле сам место найдешь
00:56:337 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - можно громкость по нарастающей сделать, в соответствии с треком
00:57:342 (2,3) - 00:57:678 (4,5) - я скорее всего одинаково спейснутыми их сделал бы
01:17:622 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - хс не очень, там драмы не на всех битах, оставь софт там, где их нет, будет лучше звучать

[Namkis's Another]

00:10:750 (1,2,3,4) - хсни софтом или драмом лучше
00:25:163 (9,1) - под войс http://i.imgur.com/eQpNBgk.png
00:40:918 (3) - по мне так кикслайдеры лучше тут начать, когда войс меняется
01:19:465 (3,4) - голос http://i.imgur.com/qeIuY25.png

[Insane]

00:15:443 (8,1) - 00:16:113 (1,2) - я бы все-таки пытался держать дистансы одинаковыми между ними, визуально

[Hard]

00:02:203 (3,4,6,7,1) - с включенными стаками они немного оверлапаются не очень http://i.imgur.com/lH5VTJw.png

[Fanteer's Normal]

00:40:247 (1) - очень не понравилось, что жопа на начале нового вокала и сильном ударе. можно просто укоротить его до 1/1 и подвинуть следующий репит левее
01:02:873 (2) - на хп баре

[Easy]

00:09:409 (5,1) - учитывая, что их видно в одно время, их состыковку лучше убрать, подвинь красную штуку ниже у большого слайдера

TheMefisto

403 posts

Joined August 2014

TheMefisto 2017-04-14T08:58:35+00:00

-ckopoctb- wrote:
TheMefisto's Extra
00:05:722 (3) - нк По-моему, они тут не нужны
00:32:203 (4) - нк

lit120 wrote:
[themefisto]
01:16:113 - 01:16:616 - 01:17:119 - u sure u don't want to map this? Yep, I wanna emphasize vocal here, coz it much stronger than other sounds

Mirash wrote:
[Duel]
[TheMefisto's Extra]
00:28:683 (6,1) - свапни местами, на поле сам место найдешь Мне не очень нравится тбх. Сейчас у меня 2 одинаковых движения идет (тут и на следующих объектах, вверх-вниз), что должно идти на пользу флоу
00:56:337 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - можно громкость по нарастающей сделать, в соответствии с треком Сделал бюджетную версию нарастания звука
00:57:342 (2,3) - 00:57:678 (4,5) - я скорее всего одинаково спейснутыми их сделал бы Не, там звуки разные вроде
01:17:622 (3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - хс не очень, там драмы не на всех битах, оставь софт там, где их нет, будет лучше звучать Вроде что-то сделал, но в ХСах я не шарю, копировал с ласт диффы ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thanks for mods! \w/

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Fanteer

483 posts

Joined February 2016

Fanteer 2017-04-14T15:05:50+00:00

[Fanteer's Normal]
00:40:247 (1) - очень не понравилось, что жопа на начале нового вокала и сильном ударе. можно просто укоротить его до 1/1 и подвинуть следующий репит левее просто там на фоне идет стрим, и я хотел чтобы все было плотно на тайм лайне, а с твоей точки зрения, там будут гапы
01:02:873 (2) - на хп баре фиксанул

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Namki

1,281 posts

Joined November 2014

Namki 2017-04-14T15:16:34+00:00

Интересные мысли, Мираш. Хочу получить еще фидбека по такому ритму. Но пока только хсы сделал.

Дифа

osu file format v14

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[Metadata]
Title:crossing field -TV ver.-
TitleUnicode:crossing field -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:Hou Rearu
Version:Namki's Another
Source:ソードアート・オンライン
Tags:sword art online opening sao MashaSG TheMefisto Namki Fanteer Watanabe Sho Toku
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Спасибо!

Kilabarus

999 posts

Joined May 2015

Kilabarus 2017-04-14T21:26:34+00:00

Bakari wrote:
Hey, I was talking to a good friend of mine about this difficulty, so I decided I would give it a look, While we were at it, I though I'd clariy a few things I disagree with you on.

MashSG wrote:
Watch Monstrata's maps
Sorry, I don't think this is the way it is meant to work. Let's try to go through the difficulty andtry to come up with a reasonable discussion, rather than vague references to some other sets. I'll do it in English, as I feel like this is the language that we both are more comfortable with, hope it's not gonna add any inconvenience.

[Masha's Extra]
00:08:069 (3,4,5,1) - I am fairly sure that the pattern here does not match the idea you wanted to represent. Let me explain that: assuming that you intended to repreent the keys/synth sounds, just like you did with 00:06:057 (1,2,3) - it is pretty obvious that 00:08:069 (3) - is much stronger as it has a very powerful note yet it is not stressed in any way in terms of spacing. I would recommend different patterning here, as to match the intensity of the beats.
This would do just fine, as 00:07:398 (1,4) - each sound of that kind is stressed with a slider and a jump, and the rest of the stuff that follows the drums is mapped with more or less low-spaced circles. Yea, you are right
00:09:409 (3) - subjectively, I precieve (3) as a stronger beat, therefore, I would expect a more spaced jump to it. Consider giving more stress on 00:09:409 (3) - and then reducing spacing, so that the next jump on 00:09:912 (1) - gives it enough emphasis. This, I believe, would correlate with the song in a better way. Fixed in my way ( without antiflow jump )
If you want an example, here's what I've got
00:16:113 (1,1) - I understand that the hitsounding in general has been criticized in quite a harsh way recently, but this is something that is more or less specific to your difficulty, since you are using veryy loud Normal sampleset hitsounding here. Try muting (5% volume, which is the closest we can get) the slidertails just like it has been done in the Duel difficulty, or take Namki's approach, when they just lower the overall volume and keep hitnormals unmuted. I didn't do any of Hitsounding for this map, so, I guess, this is not my problem
00:17:119 (2,3,4,5) - essentially, you label all four of the circles as something monotonous, yet, this isn't really the case. According to both the music and your own hitsounding, 00:17:119 (2) - is stronger and has more to it, yet, it uses lower spacing. Can you please explain why?
Note: 00:19:130 (3,4) - sort of similar concept here. Strong hitsound support and a very clear and loud beat, yet smaller spacing.
Note2: as a matter of fact, there is a good number of patterns following the same idea, and I fail to understand what is the point of that and in what way they represent the actual music. I'll link a few more examples, so that you can get the idea 00:26:002 (4,5,6) - 00:27:510 (1,2,3) - 00:30:191 (6,7,1) - Fixed all
00:39:912 (7) - would you mind explaining the rhythm here? It feels like you intended to switch to the synth/bass sound, which has a pretty clear end on 00:40:080 - so, it'd make more sense to finish the slider there. If, however, you intended to follow the stream sound, a 1/4 slider with two reverses would make a lot more sense, I believe. Fixed by cutting the slider and putting note on 00:40:164 (8) -
00:41:421 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - again, I don't really see what you intend to show. there are no considerable changes to the drum sound, so that a switch from a rather compressed stream to spaced kick sliders doesn't feel justified. Naturally, I assumed that you were following vocals, yet this was not the case as they are based on 1/1 stuff, as far as I can tell 00:41:421 - 00:41:756 - listen to these, these are the beats where vocals have a certain degree of strength Now let's listen to 00:41:588 - 00:41:923 - which appear to be more drum-based. I'm following vocals, that's all I can say, though, I fixed last seconds of a stream
00:43:432 (3,1,2) - the sliderpath is covered in a way that can cause reading difficulties. Why not just work something that would be a bit more readable, let's say something like this? Let me explain why:I see it as something that is not just gimmicky with no correlation to the music, but it is also inconsistent with your mapping style. Most of the tymes similar patterns used exactly the kind of visuals, I suggested, take 00:04:884 (1,2,3) - 00:16:113 (1,1) - 00:20:136 (1,2) - 00:20:806 (3,4) - as examples! Yea
00:48:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - I am also not very content with the response you've given to the point concerning these jumps. Let's try it again. Let's subdivide it and see what you have to back up your mapping decisions, so we can understand it better!
00:48:292 (1) - intense vocals ignoring the vocals pitch on 00:48:627 - and leaving a strong beat unclickable.
00:48:795 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - marking every beat as exactly the same (in terms of spacing and patterning) yet they are quite different. (2) follows vocals, (3) is supported with strong jumps, yet (4) is just a regular drum beat with nothing to justify the jump pattern.
Note: same applies to 00:49:465 (6,8) -
00:50:136 (1,2) - 00:50:471 (3,4) - 00:50:806 (5,6) - when compared to the previous pattern, there is no considerable change on spacingm yet this part has more vocals and generally feels more tense. The only pattern in this combo that does introduce more intense spacing values is 00:51:141 (7,8,9) - but then it sort of breaks the tension, as it immediately gets stopped/broken with a stack 00:50:303 (2,9,1) .
I believe that reworking this patterning could benefit it a lot. Here's how I would do it, 00:48:292 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - there'd be an even ratio of sliders to jumps here, making this part easier, 00:50:136 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this part would use lower spacing and circles only as to show the tension increase and than the final jump on 00:51:476 (9,1) - that'd be some kind of a climax as well as a nice way to finish the pattern.
01:00:862 (1,2,3,4) - would you mind commenting on the curve you are using here? As fas as I can tell the sound is no different from the rest of the kiai, yet this is the only pattern of this kind ever used in this difficulty. This sort of gives an impression of inconsistency and contraddicting with your style.
Note: oh, and since 01:00:694 (10,1) - are stacked it considerably lowers the readability of the pattern. Here is an example of what you could do that follows the general flow/patterning concept you've used.
01:15:108 (4,5) - the readability of these sliders quite alarms me. Considering that you've used streams more often, it would probably be a good idea to use streams here as well, as to prevent the reading difficulty that the second reverse arrows cause. Remapped using your suggestions somewhere, probably need to recheck now, if you have time ofc

I guess this will do for the time being, summarizing the majority of my concerns. I hope this explains my point of view and I'll be happy to hear your commentaries and explanations. Yea, everything was pretty clear
Feel free to ask me if you find something difficult to understand. I'll be glad to discuss or explain my concerns in detail!

Thanks for mod, Bakari!

Diff: https://puu.sh/vkmnI/586222ea45.osu

e: also sorry for late response, busy school

Last edited by Kilabarus 2017-04-15T11:46:27+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

_Hou

391 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-15T01:50:34+00:00

Bakari wrote:
00:16:113 (1,1) - I understand that the hitsounding in general has been criticized in quite a harsh way recently, but this is something that is more or less specific to your difficulty, since you are using veryy loud Normal sampleset hitsounding here. Try muting (5% volume, which is the closest we can get) the slidertails just like it has been done in the Duel difficulty, or take Namki's approach, when they just lower the overall volume and keep hitnormals unmuted.

Hitsound rework for this diff aswel soon

eeezzzeee

979 posts

Joined August 2013

eeezzzeee 2017-04-16T14:50:09+00:00

hi hi sorry for the delay xd

Hitsounds! + a simple guide how to apply them since you asked for that

guide

1. delete all the custom hs in your map folder
2. download my puush file here http://puu.sh/vm2RD/3106dd8396.osz
3. copy all the custom hs from my map folder into your original mapset
4. download hitsound copier here t/131540
5. run the copier and set up like this http://puu.sh/vm3rH/923838d99e.png
6. apply for all diffs

ps. you might need to recheck the HS volume stuff after applying it like the 5% silenced slider tails. i didnt want to include that in my hs because not all the diffs have silenced tails at the same spots

_Hou

391 posts

Joined November 2014

Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-16T16:41:03+00:00

eeezzzeee wrote:
hi hi sorry for the delay xd

Hitsounds! + a simple guide how to apply them since you asked for that

guide
1. delete all the custom hs in your map folder
2. download my puush file here http://puu.sh/vm2RD/3106dd8396.osz
3. copy all the custom hs from my map folder into your original mapset
4. download hitsound copier here t/131540
5. run the copier and set up like this http://puu.sh/vm3rH/923838d99e.png
6. apply for all diffs

ps. you might need to recheck the HS volume stuff after applying it like the 5% silenced slider tails. i didnt want to include that in my hs because not all the diffs have silenced tails at the same spots

Wow, so cool !!
Thanks a lot, I wonder if I am supposed to add you in tags or somewhere else, and what name to use since I saw your gd with called "eze's smth"

TheMefisto

403 posts

Joined August 2014

TheMefisto 2017-04-16T18:37:36+00:00

IRC

20:16 *TheMefisto is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1240500 LiSA - crossing field -TV ver.- [Easy]]
20:16 TheMefisto: 01:15:778 (1,2,3,4) - Вот это плохо
20:16 TheMefisto: Стоит заменить первые 3 на реверс обычный
20:17 Hou Rearu: Ну мы с Шадреном обсуждали это и он сказал что возможно это можно оставить
20:17 TheMefisto: Просто у тебя идет 3/2 гап между нотами, а потом 2/1
20:17 Hou Rearu: И если поменять
20:17 TheMefisto: Это может вызвать проблемы у новых игроков
20:18 Hou Rearu: Окей
20:19 TheMefisto: В начале еще флоу немного странный
20:20 TheMefisto: 00:00:694 (1) - его можно погнуть немного в правую сторону
20:20 TheMefisto: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7844049
20:20 Hou Rearu: Окей
20:20 TheMefisto: 00:02:035 (2,3) - сюда тоже не очень удачно переходит
20:20 TheMefisto: Тут стоит подумать, чтобы вообще чутка переделать начало
20:20 TheMefisto: 00:03:375 (3,4) - 
20:21 TheMefisto: Собственно, из-за этого
20:21 TheMefisto: Тут у тебя слайдер уходит наверх, а двигать после этого надо вниз
20:21 TheMefisto: СЛОЖНА
20:21 Hou Rearu: понял
20:22 TheMefisto: Ну и вот я не уверен, что этот стак не видно на экране 00:06:057 (1) - 
20:22 TheMefisto: Если видно - то это может спутать тоже
20:22 Hou Rearu: Стой стак
20:22 Hou Rearu: ?
20:22 TheMefisto: 00:03:375 (3,1) - 
20:23 Hou Rearu: А
20:23 TheMefisto: Начало слайдера на конце другого
20:23 Hou Rearu: ну я передвину сейчас всё
20:23 Hou Rearu: Спрошу ещё раз
20:23 TheMefisto: Там дальше еще пару моментов есть, где можно флоу поправить (схожая схема, в общем-то, ничего сложного)
20:24 Hou Rearu: https://puu.sh/vmcwu.png
20:24 Hou Rearu: https://puu.sh/vmcx5.png
20:24 TheMefisto: Но на самом деле там, вроде, все более-менее нормально выглядит
20:24 Hou Rearu: Так получше будет?
20:24 TheMefisto: Ну, по 2 причинам не будет х)
20:24 TheMefisto: 1 - слайдер, скорее всего, вылез за рамки дозволенного
20:25 Hou Rearu: Ну это условно
20:25 TheMefisto: А
20:25 TheMefisto: Ну, вторую проблему нарисую сейчас
20:25 Hou Rearu: Я его поставлю по-человечески
20:25 TheMefisto: https://puu.sh/vmcx5.png
20:25 TheMefisto: Вот в этом расположении не очень круто то, что оба слайдера будут видны, когда ты прошлый доведешь
20:25 TheMefisto: В общем, тот, который (1) лучше просто ниже поставить
20:26 TheMefisto: Вот как сейчас, лол https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7844099
20:26 Hou Rearu: Блин сложно что-то фиксить в изиках, пол карты приходит двигать!
20:27 Hou Rearu: А, ну да, можно пожертвовать бланкетом
20:27 TheMefisto: Ага
20:28 Hou Rearu: а такой оверлап не страшно? https://puu.sh/vmcJq.png
20:29 TheMefisto: Грязновато, мне кажется
20:29 TheMefisto: Подвинь просто саму волну пониже
20:29 Hou Rearu: (￣～￣;)
20:30 TheMefisto: х)
20:32 TheMefisto: Скажешь, как готов будешь дальше двигаться (к харду)
20:32 Hou Rearu: Я готов
20:33 TheMefisto: 00:00:024 (1,1) - с самого начала грязновато
20:34 TheMefisto: У них концы пересекаются, не очень круто
20:34 TheMefisto: Первый слайдер просто поверни и повыше поставь
20:34 TheMefisto: Или просто повыше даже, без поворота
20:34 Hou Rearu: окей ~
20:35 TheMefisto: 00:10:415 (5) - зачем тут репит? :thinking:
20:35 TheMefisto: Мне кажется, лучше обычный 1/2 слайдер, тут особо нечего каверить на 1/4 тике
20:36 Hou Rearu: Вообще лучше 2 тапа поставлю
20:36 Hou Rearu: 1/2
20:36 Hou Rearu: Лул
20:36 TheMefisto: Ну или так, да
20:37 TheMefisto: Вот этот сегмент тоже грязный
20:37 TheMefisto: 00:22:147 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 
20:39 Hou Rearu: Эх
20:39 TheMefisto: http://puu.sh/vmdjs/adb428d743.png
20:39 TheMefisto: http://puu.sh/vmdjW/e84e7952c9.png
20:39 Hou Rearu: А ведь да, и больше нигде в карте я не юзаю подбного
20:39 TheMefisto: Что-нибудь такое можно, например
20:39 TheMefisto: Просто проблема в том, что следующий сегмент тоже грязный х)
20:40 Hou Rearu: Как всё это пофиксить я придумаю сам
20:40 TheMefisto: 00:23:990 (7,8,1,2,3) - они все как-то оверлапаются некрасиво
20:40 Hou Rearu: нет же
20:40 Hou Rearu: 00:27:510 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -
20:40 TheMefisto: Крч вот до сих 00:27:175 (4) - 
20:41 Hou Rearu: Стой
20:41 Hou Rearu: ЛОЛ
20:41 Hou Rearu: Я сделал так же
20:41 Hou Rearu: Как ты на 1 скрине
20:41 Hou Rearu: Не взглянув на него
20:42 TheMefisto: 00:41:756 (3,4) -  Вот тут как-то странно слайдер заходит, попробуй такую ритмику http://puu.sh/vmdqi/4110aae912.jpg 
20:42 Hou Rearu: Ты можешь дальше что-то отмечать
20:43 TheMefisto: Потому что вот тут 00:42:091 - довольно сильный звук (в т.ч. и вокал), который ты обычно нажимаемым делал в этой секции
20:44 TheMefisto: 00:50:806 (6,7,8) - вот из-за такого закругления хочется сначала 8 нажать, а не 7 (это опять про флоу)
20:45 TheMefisto: 01:13:935 (4) - Хвост можно немного поднять, чтобы реверс стрелка точно видна была
20:45 Hou Rearu: https://puu.sh/vmdA0.png
20:45 TheMefisto: 01:22:650 (6,7) - ну и вот это еще чуть грязновато
20:46 TheMefisto: Может, нормально, я не уверен
20:46 TheMefisto: Оставь так пока, да
20:46 TheMefisto: Там видно будет
20:46 Hou Rearu: Окей
20:47 TheMefisto: Ну, выглядит-то нормально, я не уверен, как водить/играть это х)
20:47 TheMefisto: Делай пока, позовешь, когда к инсайну будешь готов
20:48 Hou Rearu: Ага
20:49 Hou Rearu: Ну вот это же ок? или в хардосе тоже нет?
20:49 Hou Rearu: https://puu.sh/vmdML.png
20:50 TheMefisto: Да нормас, только включи стаки
20:50 TheMefisto: Потому что выглядит оно не так
20:50 TheMefisto: И лучше знать, как оно выглядит на самом деле
20:50 Hou Rearu: Даже так вроде ок https://puu.sh/vmdRf.png
20:51 TheMefisto: Ну да
20:52 Hou Rearu: К инсику готов, сэр!
20:53 TheMefisto: 00:14:689 (5) - :thinking:
20:55 TheMefisto: Это я к тому, что она овермапнута как-то
20:55 TheMefisto: 00:16:113 (1,2,1) - Вот тут мне кажется, что джамп для 1/4 большеват, но это надо в игре проверять
20:56 Hou Rearu: Так инсик же и джампы по слайдерам
20:56 TheMefisto: Ну, так-то да, но все равно
20:56 TheMefisto: Можно сорвать конец случайно
20:57 TheMefisto: Если в игре норм - то все хорошо
20:57 TheMefisto: 00:23:990 (6,7,1) - на слайдер бланкетный тройка заезжает
20:58 Hou Rearu: Ну я игрок уровня чуть выше инсейников, поэтому я тоже не могу объективно оценить
20:58 TheMefisto: Да если не срываешь сам - то считай, что норм
20:58 TheMefisto: Лул
20:58 Hou Rearu: А, ну ок
20:58 TheMefisto: Просто если сам будешь срывать - то точно стоит понерфить чутка
20:58 TheMefisto: А если нет - то предположим, что сойдет х)
20:59 TheMefisto: 00:27:510 (1,2) - вот тут у тебя джамп
20:59 TheMefisto: 00:28:683 (3) - тут звук такой же, но джампа на него совсем нет
21:00 TheMefisto: Ну и весь сегмент беспорядочно оверлапается, что не идет эстетике на пользу 00:28:180 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 
21:00 TheMefisto: 00:29:186 (5) - 
21:00 TheMefisto: 00:29:856 (8) - 
21:00 TheMefisto: Вот на них тоже следует побольше ДС сделать
21:00 TheMefisto: Потому что после этого джамп есть 00:30:527 (2) - 
21:01 TheMefisto: Не обязательно такой же большой делать
21:01 TheMefisto: Потому что тут ноты
21:01 TheMefisto: Можно поменьше, но точно нужно что-то, что будет больше обычной дс
21:01 Hou Rearu: Стой-стой
21:01 Hou Rearu: Приостановись
21:01 Hou Rearu: Я пытаюсь понять что не так
21:01 TheMefisto: Это все про одно и то же
21:01 TheMefisto: Вернусь в начало
21:01 TheMefisto: 00:27:510 (1,2) - 
21:02 TheMefisto: Второй слайдер
21:02 TheMefisto: На него есть джамп
21:02 TheMefisto: Потому что там сильный звук
21:02 TheMefisto: 00:28:348 (2,3) - 
21:02 TheMefisto: Тут на кругане такой же сильный звук
21:02 TheMefisto: Но джампа на него нет
21:02 TheMefisto: Это не очень хорошо, потому что нарушает структуру
21:02 Hou Rearu: Стой стой
21:02 Hou Rearu: 00:28:180 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
21:03 Hou Rearu: Всё это логично структурированный сегмент
21:03 Hou Rearu: А 1.2 к нему не относится
21:03 Hou Rearu: Те слайдеры
21:03 Hou Rearu: С синим комбо
21:03 TheMefisto: Хорошо, смотри
21:03 TheMefisto: 00:29:354 (6,7) - 
21:03 Hou Rearu: 00:28:180 (1,2,3,4) - 00:29:186 (5,6,7,8) -
21:03 Hou Rearu: 2 одинаковых отраженных паттерна
21:03 Hou Rearu: Ну почти
21:03 TheMefisto: То, что я линканул
21:04 TheMefisto: Там нормальные звуки, в общем-то, нормальный ДС ты делаешь
21:04 Hou Rearu: Ага
21:04 TheMefisto: 00:28:851 (4,5) - 
21:04 TheMefisto: Но почему тут такой же, если звук достаточно сильно отличается?
21:05 TheMefisto: Если ты думаешь, что 1.35 и 1.6 заметят в игре (особенно при таком оверлапинге), то это не так
21:05 TheMefisto: Ну, разницу в дс, имею в виду
21:06 Hou Rearu: :thinking:
21:06 Hou Rearu: Блин меня бесит что я всё ещё не могу понять
21:06 TheMefisto: Еще проще
21:06 TheMefisto: 00:29:186 (5,7) - 
21:06 TheMefisto: Послушай звуки на этих нотах
21:06 TheMefisto: Они одинаковые?
21:07 Hou Rearu: Нет
21:07 Hou Rearu: А, дошло кажись
21:07 TheMefisto: Но спейсинг на них одинаковый (технически он разный, но разница между 1.35 и 1.6 в игре незаметна почти, особенно учитывая, насколько тут все оверлапается)
21:08 TheMefisto: Еще касаемо вот таких кострукций 00:28:348 (2,4) - 
21:08 TheMefisto: Они выглядят не очень хорошо, если слайдеры короткие
21:08 Hou Rearu: Всё я понял
21:08 TheMefisto: Так что, может, этот кусок проще немного ремапнуть будет
21:09 Hou Rearu: Ну блин, мне он нравится какой он сейчас
21:09 Hou Rearu: Вот так я пофиксил https://puu.sh/vmeO6.png
21:09 TheMefisto: Ага
21:09 TheMefisto: Только не забудь, что там еще такой звук где-то
21:10 TheMefisto: 00:28:683 (3) - 
21:10 TheMefisto: Вот на ней
21:10 TheMefisto: Ее просто выше куда-нибудь
21:11 Hou Rearu: Ааа
21:11 TheMefisto: 00:47:286 (5,1) - Эта конструкция работает еще хуже, если слайдеры друг за другом идут
21:11 TheMefisto: Там конец просто не видно, это не очень круто
21:12 TheMefisto: 00:52:985 (6) - НК? А то обычно у тебя на больших тиках новое комбо идет
21:12 TheMefisto: 00:55:499 (7,1) - Вот это круто!
21:13 Hou Rearu: Не не
21:13 Hou Rearu: 00:52:147 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - вокально завязанный ффрагмент
21:13 Hou Rearu: Тут либо 3 нк
21:13 Hou Rearu: Либо 0
21:13 TheMefisto: Тогда хорошо
21:14 TheMefisto: Это тоже подходит
21:14 TheMefisto: Возвращаясь к 00:47:286 (5,1) - 
21:14 TheMefisto: Угадай с 3 раз, что тут не так 00:58:013 (5,1) - 
21:14 Hou Rearu: Тоже самое
21:14 Hou Rearu: Ыы
21:14 TheMefisto: Нет
21:14 Hou Rearu: Один 3.4
21:14 TheMefisto: Ну, да, такое же пересечение слайдеров, которое не очень
21:14 Hou Rearu: втрой
21:14 Hou Rearu: 1.2
21:14 TheMefisto: Воооот
21:15 TheMefisto: Выбери что-то одно по ритмике
21:15 TheMefisto: Не надо в одном случае 3/4 делать, а в другом 1/2
21:16 Hou Rearu: Да, это просто случайно вышло, пожалуй
21:16 TheMefisto: Это так не работает 01:10:080 (8,1) -  .-.
21:16 TheMefisto: Вообще, я бы джамп сделал между ними, наверное, но тогда надо будет ломать следующую конструкцию
21:16 Hou Rearu: А если отразить слайдер в другую сторону?
21:16 TheMefisto: Поэтому предложу стакнуть
21:17 TheMefisto: Блин
21:17 TheMefisto: Не знаю, стак отстойно тут
21:17 TheMefisto: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7844569
21:18 Hou Rearu: 22:16 Hou Rearu: А если отразить слайдер в другую сторону
21:18 TheMefisto: Попробуй, все-таки, что-то такое, просто остальные слайдеры перенеси сюда
21:18 TheMefisto: Его не отражать надо, ДС увеличивать лучше
21:19 Hou Rearu: https://puu.sh/vmfhR.png
21:19 Hou Rearu: вернее так https://puu.sh/vmfiF.png
21:19 TheMefisto: Или так, да
21:19 TheMefisto: Суть ты понял
21:19 TheMefisto: Просто остальные слайдеры туда перенеси потом
21:19 TheMefisto: Чтобы особо ничего не менять
21:20 TheMefisto: 01:15:694 (8) - еще одна овермапнутая тройка, не думаю, что они такие нужны в инсайне
21:21 TheMefisto: 01:21:476 (2,3,4) - Это охренительно странно, на самом деле
21:21 TheMefisto: Все тройки как тройки, а тут небольшой джамп до второй и третьей ноты
21:21 Hou Rearu: Ой, с диффой ощибся
21:21 Hou Rearu: :P
21:22 TheMefisto: Тоже немножко чище можно 01:22:817 (9,1) - 
21:22 Hou Rearu: Ну и там в конце чутка оверлапов
21:22 Hou Rearu: Я их пофикшу
21:22 TheMefisto: Ну и концовка мне не очень нравится тбх 01:22:985 (10,11,1,2,3,4) - 
21:23 TheMefisto: Она, опять же, овермапнута немного по ритмике
21:23 Hou Rearu: Ну там тройка + пятёрка
21:23 Hou Rearu: Это сложно!
21:24 TheMefisto: Делай тройку + реверс на 5
21:24 TheMefisto: :^)
21:24 Hou Rearu: Да пофиг пятёрку сделал
21:25 TheMefisto: Ну и в ласт еще пару суггестионов
21:25 Hou Rearu: Ну и ты не обижайся но я пока не хочу фиксить вот это 00:47:286 (5,1) - 00:58:013 (5,1) -
21:25 TheMefisto: Ну, ты главное их одинаковыми хотя бы сделай
21:26 TheMefisto: Выбери, либо 3/4, либо 1/2
21:26 Hou Rearu: Это я уже сделал
21:26 TheMefisto: Остальное уж на твое усмотрение
21:26 TheMefisto: Так, ласт диффа
21:26 TheMefisto: 00:31:616 - все еще не очень нравятся некоторые овермапнутые тройбасы
21:28 TheMefisto: И наверное, я имею в виду вообще все такие тройки, лол
21:28 TheMefisto: 01:01:951 - 
21:29 TheMefisto: 01:14:018 - 
21:29 TheMefisto: 01:15:024 - 
21:29 Hou Rearu: :(
21:29 TheMefisto: Можешь их оставить, в общем-то, но я просто не понимаю зачем они тут
21:30 TheMefisto: Всякие БНы могут и не придираться к ним
21:30 Hou Rearu: Я объясню
21:30 TheMefisto: По ритмике все, вроде, нормально, выделение штук тоже
21:30 Hou Rearu: Есть такие моменты когда вокал начинается раньше сильного бита
21:30 Hou Rearu: И пик вокала попадает как раз на него
21:31 TheMefisto: Эстетику на оверлапах я тебе в прошлый раз помогал исправлять
21:31 Hou Rearu: И мне кажется что добавление подобной тройки - отличный способ эмфасиса
21:31 TheMefisto: Ну тогда хорошо, раз объяснить можешь :^)
21:31 TheMefisto: На этом все, если будет не лень - я ГДхи еще замодирую, но это потом
21:31 TheMefisto: Запощу это пока

We fixed some aesthetics/flow things in lower diffs and rhythm/consistency in insane

eeezzzeee

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eeezzzeee 2017-04-17T23:39:20+00:00

Hou Rearu wrote:
Wow, so cool !!
Thanks a lot, I wonder if I am supposed to add you in tags or somewhere else, and what name to use since I saw your gd with called "eze's smth"

just add eeezzzeee to the tags c:

also i noticed still some problems that happened when applying the hs

[General]
01:17:119 (1,2) - switch the place of the hs (1 = soft-hitnormal, 2 = normal-hitnormal) some diffs that don't have anything at circle 1 just add normal to circle 2. I made a mistake here lol sorry

[Duel]
00:11:421 - change the custom sample number here for the green line to 20

[TheMephisto's Extra]
00:00:024 (1,2,3) - add a green line on each note with sample number 1, 2, 3 respectively

no kd

_Hou

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Topic Starter

_Hou 2017-04-18T10:09:04+00:00

eeezzzeee wrote:
Hou Rearu wrote:
Wow, so cool !!
Thanks a lot, I wonder if I am supposed to add you in tags or somewhere else, and what name to use since I saw your gd with called "eze's smth"
just add eeezzzeee to the tags c:

also i noticed still some problems that happened when applying the hs

[General]
01:17:119 (1,2) - switch the place of the hs (1 = soft-hitnormal, 2 = normal-hitnormal) some diffs that don't have anything at circle 1 just add normal to circle 2. I made a mistake here lol sorry

[Duel]
00:11:421 - change the custom sample number here for the green line to 20

no kd

Fixed all
Thanks again

TheMefisto

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Joined August 2014

TheMefisto 2017-04-18T16:33:07+00:00

@Hou Rearu Just apply eeezzzeee's mod for my diff too~

anna apple

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anna apple 2017-04-21T11:15:39+00:00

I'm so gay for this song.

top diff.
00:14:102 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - notice the pattern right before this, it makes the vocals all clickable and fillers to the drums/guitar. changing that here makes no sense since the song is basically the same.

00:18:627 (3) - there isn't really a support for this

00:18:795 (4,5,6) - shouldn't this be similar to 00:17:454 (3,4,5) - in visual design as well?

00:28:180 (3,1,2) - so far you have snare clickable, so you should change the slider head to line up with synthesized bell sound at 00:28:348 - so you can make the snare clickable (00:28:683 - )

00:46:532 (2) - the "support" here really doesn't exist imo, but if you think it does, then you should mirror it with adding a circle 00:47:203 - ,00:57:929 -

00:51:644 (1,2,3,4) - 01:02:370 (1,2,3,4) - this should be the same as these patterns 00:52:314 (1,2,3) - since you repeat them over and over again, and the rhythm is the exact same from the vocal line and the drum sounds, these should be the same rhythm. (this is most important suggestion, or at least most glaring inconsistency.)

A suggestion for hitsounds, instead of using default clap, use normal-hitnormal. people(bn's) like that one a lot more

anyways cool little idea you put up. good luck with the set!

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