Garalulu wrote:

Beep Beep

[General]

1. Ron should recheck the sb hitsound because surfchu changed his last diff structure little bit
   Example
   at Easy
   01:28:662 - he reduced the amount of notes, you should do as same
   at Normal
   00:17:162 - same issue with above thing, so yeah
   at Sky Rabbit
   01:52:912 - he added one note more, you should delete this
   
   more and more things are here, so you should recheck all diffs :3 :3 :333

[Easy]

1. 00:32:880 - wrong snapped sb hitsound, should be 00:32:912 -

[Sky Rabbit]

1. 02:33:912 (153912|6) - you should make this LN too as you showed at this part applied

Protastic101 wrote:

Ron, I'm coming for you and your terribly named samples

2018-01-07 10:30 Protastic101: o teh noes
2018-01-07 10:31 SurfChu85: do i re-upload with those samples already in?
2018-01-07 10:31 SurfChu85: or save that for later?
2018-01-07 10:31 Protastic101: reupload so I can check to make sure it's in there
2018-01-07 10:31 Protastic101: also
2018-01-07 10:31 SurfChu85: hm?
2018-01-07 10:31 Protastic101: 00:40:162 (40162|0,40162|1) - tfw samples are longer than the duration of the note so they overlap awkwardly with the next keysounds smh
2018-01-07 10:32 Protastic101: let me see if there's other instances like this, and if there are, ill cut the samples a bit and send them back to you
2018-01-07 10:32 SurfChu85: okay then
2018-01-07 10:32 SurfChu85: lemme update this first
2018-01-07 10:33 Protastic101: 01:20:162 (80162|0,80162|2,80162|1) - wew, here too
2018-01-07 10:33 Protastic101: http://puu.sh/yWfnk.jpg this is why you rename your samples to be short
2018-01-07 10:33 SurfChu85: sadly, i'm not that familiar with keysound stuff lol
2018-01-07 10:33 SurfChu85: might as well remind ron
2018-01-07 10:34 SurfChu85: okay, submitted
2018-01-07 10:34 Protastic101: time to go yell at ron cause his naming makes me a n g e r y
2018-01-07 10:34 Protastic101: jk, he's too nice
2018-01-07 10:34 Protastic101: I could never say anything mean to him
2018-01-07 10:34 Protastic101: except that his keysound naming is shit
2018-01-07 10:34 Protastic101: but otherwise <3
2018-01-07 10:35 SurfChu85: lmfao
2018-01-07 10:35 Protastic101: ok actually
2018-01-07 10:35 Protastic101: is ron online right now
2018-01-07 10:35 Protastic101: it's just easier if I talk to him about the keysounds because i am finding more and more inconsistencies as I go along
2018-01-07 10:36 SurfChu85: he's offline ye
2018-01-07 10:36 SurfChu85: dunno at what time he usually goes on
2018-01-07 10:36 Protastic101: r e e e e e
2018-01-07 10:36 Protastic101: He's probs getting ready for bed or smth lol
2018-01-07 10:36 Protastic101: or sleeping
2018-01-07 10:36 SurfChu85: btw, regarding the timing
2018-01-07 10:37 Protastic101: ye timing is fine
2018-01-07 10:37 Protastic101: one thing tho
2018-01-07 10:37 SurfChu85: do i just go show the screenie from our chat that it should be fine as is?
2018-01-07 10:37 SurfChu85: ?
2018-01-07 10:37 Protastic101: no, there's like
2018-01-07 10:37 Protastic101: more
2018-01-07 10:37 Protastic101: than what I just mentioned
2018-01-07 10:38 SurfChu85: keysounds? or timing?
2018-01-07 10:38 Protastic101: keysounds
2018-01-07 10:38 Protastic101: timing stuff
2018-01-07 10:38 Protastic101: is like
2018-01-07 10:38 Protastic101: there's a lot of graces
2018-01-07 10:38 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 10:38 Protastic101: You're probs ignoring them for simplicity which is fine
2018-01-07 10:39 SurfChu85: (more like i'm ignoring them since it didn't really matter when i played them)
2018-01-07 10:39 Protastic101: 02:46:411 (166411|1) - this should be at 02:46:444 - tho cause that's where the height of the sound comes
2018-01-07 10:39 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 10:39 Protastic101: at 02:46:411 - , you have A# and G# which isn't all the way dissonant but it rings uncomfortably
2018-01-07 10:40 Protastic101: I think you meant to make the storyboard sample A#4
2018-01-07 10:40 SurfChu85: (now this is the part where i ask ron for stuff lol)
2018-01-07 10:40 Protastic101: im p sure it's a mistake lul
2018-01-07 10:41 SurfChu85: i think i should DM ron to approach ya for the keysound stuff
2018-01-07 10:41 SurfChu85: since the last time i tried playing with it
2018-01-07 10:41 SurfChu85: i... don't want to talk about it lol
2018-01-07 10:41 Protastic101: the entire song so far has just been major fifths (iirc from music class it's just 2 wholesteps away from each) so this is very :thenkeng:
2018-01-07 10:41 Protastic101: Ah well
2018-01-07 10:42 SurfChu85: mfw i suck at music theory
2018-01-07 10:42 SurfChu85: okay, sent the DM
2018-01-07 10:42 SurfChu85: ...and ye, the chat log for lulu
2018-01-07 10:42 Protastic101: 02:48:500 - I know you said you were skipping grace notes but come on, this one's pretty noticeable
2018-01-07 10:43 Protastic101: tfw me calling ron's keysound naming shit is going to be sent to him :blobsweat:
2018-01-07 10:43 SurfChu85: lol
2018-01-07 10:43 SurfChu85: weird
2018-01-07 10:43 SurfChu85: note snapped at 02:48:465 (168465|6) -
2018-01-07 10:44 SurfChu85: or do you want me to push it forward by 1/16?
2018-01-07 10:45 Protastic101: no
2018-01-07 10:45 Protastic101: i mean
2018-01-07 10:45 Protastic101: there's another note at 02:48:500 - on the 1/16 after it that's noticeable
2018-01-07 10:45 Protastic101: so Im saying to make it like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9954593
2018-01-07 10:45 SurfChu85: ahh
2018-01-07 10:46 Protastic101: you could prob shift the last few notes one col to the left to avoid a stack with 02:48:500 (168500|5,168750|5) -
2018-01-07 10:46 Protastic101: also the pitch is F6 so you can just add that yourself at 62% vol
2018-01-07 10:46 SurfChu85: copy that
2018-01-07 10:47 Protastic101: otherwise everything is accurate
2018-01-07 10:47 Protastic101: update and let me double check it
2018-01-07 10:47 SurfChu85: [http://puu.sh/yWfNW/abec807fb2.png am i doing this correctly?]
2018-01-07 10:47 Protastic101: yes now highlight the note you're applying it to lmao
2018-01-07 10:47 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 10:48 SurfChu85: okay
2018-01-07 10:48 SurfChu85: updating now
2018-01-07 10:48 Protastic101: tfw no update for me smh
2018-01-07 10:49 SurfChu85: done
2018-01-07 10:50 Protastic101: tfw beat divisor is now 1/16
2018-01-07 10:50 Protastic101: "would you like more lines with your notes"
2018-01-07 10:50 SurfChu85: lol
2018-01-07 10:51 Protastic101: 2:46:411 G#6S_Ab6S_s.wav@62%
2018-01-07 10:51 Protastic101: I hate how difficult it is to copy storyboard samples
2018-01-07 10:51 Protastic101: anyways, press tab when you're at 02:46:411 - and delete the little orange note thingy and then add another one at 02:46:444 - for A#4
2018-01-07 10:52 SurfChu85: or do i just move it up a line?
2018-01-07 10:52 SurfChu85: oh wait, do i?
2018-01-07 10:52 Protastic101: http://puu.sh/yWfXS.jpg basically this
2018-01-07 10:52 Protastic101: no, delete it
2018-01-07 10:52 Protastic101: right click th ennote
2018-01-07 10:52 Protastic101: the note
2018-01-07 10:52 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 10:53 SurfChu85: i've been wondering, how do you add objects directly to the SB?
2018-01-07 10:53 Protastic101: i am eating bread and it is sweet and i feel let down
2018-01-07 10:53 Protastic101: control + double right click moves it into the SB
2018-01-07 10:53 Protastic101: doing the same on a storyboarded sample moves it back to the playing field
2018-01-07 10:53 SurfChu85: ooh
2018-01-07 10:54 Protastic101: pls hurry and fix, i wanna go make breakfast
2018-01-07 10:54 Protastic101: i wonder what's even in my fridge that I can use to make breakfast
2018-01-07 10:54 Protastic101: or maybe ill just have leftovers from last night
2018-01-07 10:54 Protastic101: real questions :thinking:
2018-01-07 10:54 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 10:55 SurfChu85: lol leftovers are some times the best
2018-01-07 10:55 Protastic101: key word sometimes
2018-01-07 10:55 Protastic101: it's hit or miss
2018-01-07 10:55 Protastic101: some stuff still tastes amazing after a couple days
2018-01-07 10:55 SurfChu85: heck, i think there's still some from christmas dinner in mine
2018-01-07 10:55 Protastic101: other stuff is just nasty if not fresh
2018-01-07 10:55 SurfChu85: mostly desserts but w/e lol
2018-01-07 10:55 Protastic101: lol
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: speaking of dessert, I remember I got cinnamon rolls from the place I volunteer at yesterday
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: but i dont like cinnamon rolls
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: I should have grabbed a cake but all the cakes were too sweet
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: what a struggle
2018-01-07 10:56 SurfChu85: A#4 right?
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: yeah
2018-01-07 10:56 SurfChu85: i just went over it via notepad yeesh
2018-01-07 10:56 Protastic101: rip lol
2018-01-07 10:57 SurfChu85: Sample,166444,0,"A#4S_Bb4S_s.wav",62 kek
2018-01-07 10:57 SurfChu85: update now?
2018-01-07 10:58 SurfChu85: so that you can finally make breakfast (and i can go to sleep since it's already 1am here on a monday)
2018-01-07 10:58 Protastic101: wtf lol
2018-01-07 10:58 Protastic101: why didnt you just sample import it
2018-01-07 10:58 Protastic101: smh notepad
2018-01-07 10:58 Protastic101: ok but yeah sure I guess
2018-01-07 10:59 SurfChu85: oh so you have to import it before moving
2018-01-07 10:59 SurfChu85: ACTION facepalms over self
2018-01-07 10:59 Protastic101: w h a t
2018-01-07 10:59 Protastic101: child what is you doin
2018-01-07 10:59 SurfChu85: it's 1am
2018-01-07 11:00 SurfChu85: kind of drunk
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: oh lord
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: just update it
2018-01-07 11:00 SurfChu85: lol
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: and if it's still not right, ill fix it myself and send it to you lol
2018-01-07 11:00 SurfChu85: okay then lol
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: "but prot, you have to let them learn!"
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: except im lazy af and want to get stuff done fast
2018-01-07 11:00 Protastic101: smh
2018-01-07 11:01 SurfChu85: i'm learning don't worry
2018-01-07 11:01 SurfChu85: but i dunno if i'll be able to apply this the next time around (if i'll ever rank anything else)
2018-01-07 11:01 SurfChu85: okay, updated
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: 2:46:444 A#4S_Bb4S_s.wav@62%
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: ok actually
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: lol, it wasnt even necessary
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: I dunno why the sample was there in the first place
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: cause the only time you have two samples at the same time is on the 2nd and 4th downbeats
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: or every downbeat actually
2018-01-07 11:02 Protastic101: this timeline zoom is screwing with my head
2018-01-07 11:02 SurfChu85: wait, it was there all the time?
2018-01-07 11:03 Protastic101: yeah
2018-01-07 11:03 SurfChu85: okay, now 02:46:444 (166444|1) - sounds off lol
2018-01-07 11:03 Protastic101: yeah, that's why I said delete the SB sample
2018-01-07 11:03 Protastic101: it isn't supposed to be there in the first place
2018-01-07 11:04 Protastic101: im so engrained in the mindset of "fix what's already there and don't create new problems" that I didn't even realize it should be removed
2018-01-07 11:04 SurfChu85: okay, updating again lol
2018-01-07 11:04 SurfChu85: i'm seriously chipping away 10MB off my prepaid data plan every single update i do ahaha
2018-01-07 11:04 Protastic101: r i p
2018-01-07 11:04 Protastic101: Sorry
2018-01-07 11:05 SurfChu85: mfw almost no net neutrality here, but that's another topic for another place
2018-01-07 11:05 Protastic101: >almost
2018-01-07 11:05 Protastic101: well we have none now so you're better off
2018-01-07 11:05 SurfChu85: lol
2018-01-07 11:05 SurfChu85: okay, updated
2018-01-07 11:08 Protastic101: uhhh
2018-01-07 11:08 SurfChu85: did i break anything?
2018-01-07 11:08 Protastic101: so the whole arpeggio at 02:46:187 (166187|5,166187|0,166444|1,166700|2,166700|5,166956|3) - is kind of wrong
2018-01-07 11:08 Protastic101: in pitch
2018-01-07 11:08 Protastic101: you're gonna be out of data by the time Im done at this point
2018-01-07 11:09 Protastic101: do you want me to just forum post this later and you can update when lulu rechecks?
2018-01-07 11:09 Protastic101: ill do that cause there's some other stuff for ron I gotta include
2018-01-07 11:09 Protastic101: do you want me to post the chat log now or later?
2018-01-07 11:09 SurfChu85: hmm, so the plan is, lulu recheck -> i update until bubble -> you post on the thread?
2018-01-07 11:09 SurfChu85: oh
2018-01-07 11:10 Protastic101: no like
2018-01-07 11:10 SurfChu85: i apply yours then recheck?
2018-01-07 11:10 Protastic101: lulu rechecks + i point out why ron's sample naming is stupid -> you update
2018-01-07 11:10 Protastic101: so you can just do it at once
2018-01-07 11:10 SurfChu85: mhmm
2018-01-07 11:10 Protastic101: rather than eating away all your data because Im too dumb to notice multiple problems at once
2018-01-07 11:10 Protastic101: also so you can sleep and I can go make breakfast
2018-01-07 11:11 SurfChu85: copy that
2018-01-07 11:11 Protastic101: there's nothing simple in my fridge so I have to actually make stuff by scratch and u g h
2018-01-07 11:11 SurfChu85: btw, once this is bubbled, can you be the one to apply the heart?
2018-01-07 11:11 Protastic101: ok
2018-01-07 11:11 SurfChu85: okay then
2018-01-07 11:11 SurfChu85: post the chat log if you want so that the kd can be given
2018-01-07 11:11 Protastic101: but that's assuming ron makes his sample naming not make me want to table flip everything
2018-01-07 11:11 SurfChu85: thanks a lot
2018-01-07 11:11 Protastic101: smh

Garalulu wrote:

Beep Beep

[General]

1. Ron should recheck the sb hitsound because surfchu changed his last diff structure little bit
   Example
   at Easy
   01:28:662 - he reduced the amount of notes, you should do as same
   at Normal
   00:17:162 - same issue with above thing, so yeah
   at Sky Rabbit
   01:52:912 - he added one note more, you should delete this
   
   more and more things are here, so you should recheck all diffs :3 :3 :333

[Easy]

1. 00:32:880 - wrong snapped sb hitsound, should be 00:32:912 -

[Sky Rabbit]

1. 02:33:912 (153912|6) - you should make this LN too as you showed at this part

Garalulu wrote:

I wanna hear your opinion about the hitsounding structure, still don't understand what's going on.
plz tell me how to hitsound this map, yeah give me the detail.

14:08 JztCallMeRon: hi 
14:08 Protastic101: o/
14:08 JztCallMeRon: lmao
14:08 JztCallMeRon: im afraid of asking on whether you would want to work on sky rabbit stuff xd
14:08 Protastic101: name ur samples better
14:08 Protastic101: smh
14:09 JztCallMeRon: smh
14:09 JztCallMeRon: ye fml
14:10 Protastic101: tfw no sky rabbit for me
14:10 Protastic101: sure tho, give me just a sec to finish getting some samples
14:10 JztCallMeRon: okay sure
14:10 JztCallMeRon: im just gonna farm 12pp for std
14:14 Protastic101: tfw no pp for me smh
14:14 Protastic101: Alright, ready whenever you are
14:14 JztCallMeRon: okay lets go
14:14 Protastic101: gotta go find those spots I pointed out to surf lul
14:15 Protastic101: oh, i deleted all my bookmarks
14:15 JztCallMeRon: whats up 
14:15 Protastic101: well
14:15 JztCallMeRon: HAHA
14:15 Protastic101: ok first off before we do anything
14:15 Protastic101: I have to reiterate
14:15 Protastic101: the sample naming is s h i t
14:15 Protastic101: now that that's out of my system
14:15 JztCallMeRon: i know
14:15 JztCallMeRon: lmao
14:15 JztCallMeRon: used automap chan
14:15 JztCallMeRon: and voila
14:19 Protastic101: ok
14:19 *Protastic101 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1228750 *namirin - Mawaru Sora Usagi [Sky Rabbit]]
14:19 Protastic101: Im using top diff as reference
14:19 Protastic101: 02:46:187 (166187|0) - should be F6
14:19 Protastic101: 02:46:444 (166444|1) - G#6
14:20 JztCallMeRon: oh that one
14:20 JztCallMeRon: nice
14:20 JztCallMeRon: applied
14:22 Protastic101: 02:47:454 - D#6
14:23 Protastic101: 02:47:696 - G#6
14:23 Protastic101: this should be sampled
14:23 Protastic101: in the storyboard, not replacing 02:47:454 (167454|2,167696|3) -
14:24 JztCallMeRon: wait how do i add sb elements again?
14:24 JztCallMeRon: nvm i added it
14:24 JztCallMeRon: xd
14:25 Protastic101: sample import menu, instead of "apply", below that to the left is "sample"
14:25 JztCallMeRon: ctrl+double left clicked
14:27 Protastic101: 02:48:999 (168999|3,169035|2) - in order, A#6, D#7
14:29 Protastic101: 00:17:162 - Starting here, the 1/1 staccato notes on the left hand part still play but you only map half of them. I would suggest adding them to the 2nd and 4th downbeats to continue the sound, like on 00:17:662 (17662|0,18662|2,19662|3,20662|6) - with these notes having the same pitch as the note 1/1 before it
14:31 JztCallMeRon: meaning
14:31 JztCallMeRon: ill add another c#3 on those points?
14:33 Protastic101: uh
14:33 Protastic101: for the first one yeah
14:33 Protastic101: 00:18:662 (18662|2) - but then this one is F3 cause the note before it, 00:18:162 (18162|2) - is F3
14:33 Protastic101: it follows the same chord progression as 00:01:162 -
14:34 JztCallMeRon: oh okay
14:34 JztCallMeRon: thanks
14:34 Protastic101: Doing this also solves the problem of double hitsounds everywhere on the jumps
14:34 JztCallMeRon: mmmm
14:34 JztCallMeRon: so for here
14:34 JztCallMeRon: 00:17:662 (17662|5,17662|0) - 
14:34 JztCallMeRon: ill remove one a#5 and replace it with the lower pitch?
14:35 Protastic101: yeah
14:35 JztCallMeRon: okay
14:36 Protastic101: da da da, da da da, da da da, DA Da da, da da da, da da da,
14:36 Protastic101: oh god
14:37 Protastic101: 00:40:162 (40162|1,40162|0) - d o u b l e  h i t s o u n d s
14:37 Protastic101: Just import them both at 31% and it solves the problem
14:37 JztCallMeRon: okay done
14:37 JztCallMeRon: applied also
14:37 JztCallMeRon: lmao now i get why you're saying my naming sense is shit
14:38 JztCallMeRon: xd
14:38 Protastic101: but the sample itself is too long and drags into 00:41:162 - which sounds u g h
14:38 Protastic101: wtf that fast
14:38 Protastic101: jesus christ, i take like 3 hours after a suggestion to finish applying
14:38 Protastic101: your naming sense isnt just shit
14:38 Protastic101: it's t r a s h
14:38 Protastic101: jkjk
14:38 JztCallMeRon: xdxd
14:38 JztCallMeRon: its okay
14:39 JztCallMeRon: oh i deleted the shortened one
14:39 Protastic101: 95% of people who do keysounds always just take raika samples or something and never bother renaming and so I always have to take like 2x as long to go through keysounds
14:39 JztCallMeRon: this one i got from dh
14:40 Protastic101: ss m h
14:41 Protastic101: 00:41:162 - in this section you're kind of missing a vital part of the music, and that's the connecting 1/2 note that shares a pitch with the one before it
14:41 Protastic101: meaning
14:41 JztCallMeRon: im missing the higher pitch
14:41 JztCallMeRon: right?
14:43 Protastic101: 00:41:912 (41912|2,42912|4,43912|6,44912|0,45912|2,46912|4) - should all share the same pitch as the 1st and 3rd downbeat, 00:41:162 (41162|2,42162|1,43162|3,44162|0,45162|6,46162|1) - respectively
14:43 Protastic101: those are just examples, it follows this same pattern up until 00:57:162 -
14:44 Protastic101: it changes at 00:57:162 - because it's instead of Pitch A - Pitch B, it's Pitch A - Pitch A - Pitch B
14:44 Protastic101: starting on the 2nd and 4th downbeats, so 00:57:662 - 00:57:912 - should share the same pitch as 00:57:162 - in this example
14:44 Protastic101: for notes like 00:57:662 (57662|5) - where there's only one note available, add the C#3 to the storyboard
14:45 JztCallMeRon: okay wait
14:46 JztCallMeRon: im still digesting the first one lmao
14:46 Protastic101: rip lol
14:48 Protastic101: Anyways, Ima throw some more suggestions real quick before I forget and also cause I wanna get to bed soon so I can procrastinate more by watching dumb youtube videos that add nothing to my life
14:48 JztCallMeRon: okay
14:48 JztCallMeRon: so basically
14:48 JztCallMeRon: 00:41:912 (41912|2,42912|4,43912|6,44912|0,45912|2,46912|4) -  should have downpitches
14:48 Protastic101: 01:13:162 - you gotta halve the volume of all these samples by 2 cause leaving them as double hs on 62% makes them add to a total combined vol of 124% lol
14:48 Protastic101: ye
14:48 JztCallMeRon: okay
14:49 Protastic101: dont forget the others too
14:49 JztCallMeRon: okay
14:49 Protastic101: 00:57:162 - and remember pattern changes here from A-B to A-A-B
14:50 JztCallMeRon: hmm
14:50 JztCallMeRon: isnt it a bit weird?
14:50 JztCallMeRon: for me at least
14:50 Protastic101: 01:19:162 (79162|4,79162|3,79162|1,79662|3,79662|4,79662|1) - yes i'd like more sample volume with my music thanks
14:50 JztCallMeRon: LMAO
14:51 Protastic101: Shouldn't be, it should just be the same pitch as the downbeat prior it
14:53 Protastic101: yeah, otherwise i think it's finne
14:53 Protastic101: fine*
14:54 Protastic101: 01:21:162 - same pattern I've been nagging you about at 00:41:162 - applies in the first kiai and break between first and second kiai
14:57 Protastic101: 01:53:162 - uh, there's something slightly different about this section though. It's every upbeat that follows the same pitch as the upbeat before, so for example, 01:53:412 (113412|2,113412|4,113912|3,113912|6) - share a pitch, and 01:54:412 (114412|5,114412|3,114912|5,114912|2) - share a different pitch
14:59 Protastic101: in this case, it's G#4 for the first set, and F4 for the second set
15:00 Protastic101: i think, might wanna double check me on that cause there's a lot going on in this section so I could mistake stuff
15:01 JztCallMeRon: so for this one
15:01 Protastic101: anyways, time's really gone by lol, I need to head to sleep
15:01 JztCallMeRon: ill have to volume to 20.67?
15:01 Protastic101: discord pm me stuff if you need help, and ill respond in the morning
15:02 JztCallMeRon: yeah sure
15:02 JztCallMeRon: goodnight o/
15:02 JztCallMeRon: sleep well
15:02 Protastic101: just do 21% and round up to a full number
15:02 JztCallMeRon: ill be applying changes as i save the log
15:02 Protastic101: I mean, it does get a little louder with the triples so you could get away with setting stuff at 30% or smth
15:02 Protastic101: but up to you
15:02 Protastic101: im out
15:02 Protastic101: night o/
15:03 Protastic101: also make sure surf has you added in tags or i will be :a n g e r y:
15:03 JztCallMeRon: ill be more angery than you if that happens

15:03 Protastic101: also make sure surf has you added in tags or i will be :a n g e r y:
15:03 JztCallMeRon: ill be more angery than you if that happens

Garalulu wrote:

I don't know how to use automap-chan x3
just what I want is the rule, the hitsounding rule.
Last diff has no problem tho cause the program did it perfectly. (Prot the hitsound master, save me)
But what I look is other diffs.

Easy has some samples at blank point, because it's easy diff so can't add more notes.
00:17:412 - Like this. there is no note, but sample sound G#5S_Ab5S_s.wav, same sound with last diff.

The diff doesn't have enough place to hitsound so automap-chan(maybe?) used the sample thing. Oki I understand your hitsounding rule!

But something is wrong.

00:17:662 - Last diff has C#3S_Db3S_s.wav, but it doesn't.

Something is hitsounded at background but something is not. so I confused about the rule yeah

Hard diff even didn't have sample sound anything at this part 00:17:162 - 00:33:162 - , it should be hitsounded as Easy diff showed if I understand the rule actually!

So What I wanna is, take a look manually, there are many issues with hitsounding actually.

Add more background hitsound if there is no place to add hitsound something as Sky Rabbit.

Or delete all background hitsound at Easy and Normal so the rule can be clarified, "I just hitsound at notes only, if there is no room I didn't add anything more."

Asherz007 wrote:

"G#5S.wav" is unused, delete pls done

Do ensure that there's as little delay on the hitsounds as possible, as I do believe some of them are cutting it close.

So, uh, you have a .osb for storyboarded hitsounds and there's still storyboarded samples in the top diff... idk man, you're confusing me lol. If they're just going to be in all of the diffs, you can move them to the .osb. will tell ron

Okay, aside from that, I still have a fair few hitsound concerns. I'll try to catch as much as I can, but I'm human so bear with me if I don't find everything. I'll use the top diff as my reference point, else I'd be here forever.

To the hitsounder

Anything you don't understand/need more examples, feel free to ask.

Storyboarded hitsounds that increase the volume
Example: 00:17:162

Okay, so the issue I have here is essentially you're increasing the volume of a certain pitch, which is generally fine. However, in this circumstance, my concern is when the player misses the sound is played anyway, which ultimately doesn't provide correct feedback to the player. So the general solution to this would be to remove the sounds from the storyboard and increase the hitsound volume of the note in play since that is possible if that was the intention in the first place of having that particular pitch be significantly louder.

Higher-pitched sounds
Example: 02:23:162 (143162|0)

Higher pitches naturally come out a little quieter than other pitches, so these have a much higher tendency to blend into the audio. A simple solution is to just increase the volume for these hitsounds.

Pitch clashes
Example: 01:23:912 (83912|1) with the storyboarded hitsound

So essentially because of being so close together, these two notes are close to being dissonant, which isn't that nice on the ears. In addition to that, one of them shouldn't be there in the first place (I assume someone thought the chord change was in a different place to where it actually is. So going from the pattern I think I see, the storyboarded hitsounds are in fact correct and should replace the ones that are in play.

Inconsistent storyboarded hitsounds
Example: 01:01:662 compared to, say, 00:59:662.

A smaller issue, but I thought I'd bring this up generally because I don't know whether you want the bass to repeat every 4/1 or 2/1. Personally, I'd go with 2/1, but it's ultimately up to you, as long as some consistent pattern throughout this section is established. (It's probably also ok to remove these ones altogether if you so choose to do so)

Hitsound volume in general
Example: basically the kiais, especially after 02:09:162.

So, because everything here is at a flat combined volume of 62%, you're ignoring the musical intensity of the song. Fine when the audio is relatively quiet, but when the song gets naturally louder because it builds up etc., you'll find the hitsounds blend in a lot more. The idea of hitsounds, keep in mind, is to provide audible feedback, so if they're not doing that, then there's not really much point to it. My suggestion for this one would be to have another listen through to check whether they do blend a little too much, and increase the hitsound volume for those notes. This is by far the trickiest one to solve (something about subjectivity), but I believe that this will be an issue during louder sections of the song.

It might actually help given the volume balance to reduce the volume of the audio itself since I feel the keysounds are still going to be drowned out at the increased volume (I'm still struggling to hear the keysounds even with the audio at 50% and effects at 100%.)

Hitsound inaccuracies
Just a few things here that aren't actually accurate to the audio for some reason. Pointing them all out because I'm not sure whether it was intentional (more likely not though).

1. 01:53:412 (113412|2,113912|3) - G#4 -> F#4
2. 01:55:412 (115412|1,115912|1) - G#3 -> G#4/D#4
3. 01:56:412 (116412|4,116912|4) - A#3 -> A#4/F4
4. 01:57:412 (117412|5,117912|5) - G#4 -> F#4
5. 01:59:412 (119412|0,119912|0) - G#3 -> G#4/D#4
6. 02:00:412 (120412|5,120912|5) - A#3 -> A#4/F4... you get the idea.
7. 02:21:662 - probably need an A#7 somewhere in this chord.
8. 02:33:162 (153162|3) - A#6 -> F#5
9. 02:33:662 (153662|2,153912|2) - Are these meant to be on the same octave? Like C7 and C#7?
10. 02:34:162 (154162|0,154162|1) - G#5+F4 -> F4+F5
11. 02:34:412 (154412|2) - I see what you're trying for here, but the sound in the audio is more or less inaudible, so I'd go for A#5 here again.
12. 02:35:162 (155162|6) - G#5 -> G#6(?)
13. 02:35:412 (155412|3) - D#7 -> C#7
14. 02:35:662 (155662|0) - C#7 -> D#7
15. 02:36:162 (156162|1) - G#6 -> A#6

...you know, that final LN section is completely confusing me now, so I have no idea what you were trying to do. Do make sure that dissonances don't appear.

Hitsound prioritisation on the lower diffs don't seem to have gone so well. Ideally the hitsounds should be inline with what you're following (in this case the bass line). Might sound a little weird otherwise if the player misses on the highlighted notes.

Okay, hopefully, my brain's still intact to look at the charts...

1|2|3|4|5|6|7

Easy

Just a couple of small things. (Might want to buff OD to 7 since there's not really much point with 6 'cus no LNs essentially)

1. 01:18:662 (78662|2,78662|5,80162|2,80162|5) - Doesn't make much sense for these to be in the same columns imo. Could change that but perhaps not overly critical. moved the two LN's at cols 1 and 4,
2. 02:45:162 (165162|6,165162|2,165674|6,165674|2,166187|5,166187|1,166700|4,166700|2,167213|1,167213|5) - Not quite sure why you've opted to go back to 1/1 doubles rather than continuing the 1/2 stream here. Mind providing some explanation? i put my focus on those backing tones,
   which i felt was stronger for some reason, changed it to the 1/2 stream

Usagi desu

1. 00:57:662 - Okay, so remember what I was saying about shortening those LNs by 1/2? Well, basically that bass note repeats during the LN as it stands (hence the note in the storyboard). Whether you want to keep it as it is for aesthetics at this stage is up to you. i see what you mean now
2. 01:14:662 (74662|5) - Feels a little strange imo to cut these short by 1/4 if there's no shield. Again up to you, but you could extend these by 1/4. (I would likely definitely do this for 01:16:162 (76162|2,76662|6) for some sort of non-shielded fill-in sort of thing.) done
3. 02:09:162 - I actually have a mild concern about true difficulty progression between this and the Normal diff (because SR never works). Compared to the Normal diff, this is significantly harder in terms of both reading and playing (more than what's generally accepted I feel). Particularly in the second half of this section, I feel the large step up is a little unfair. I would strongly urge you to buff the Normal here, especially since the Normal at this point is just the Easy but everything's a 1/1 LN. working on this now
4. 02:25:599 (145599|2) - I'd make this 1/16 shorter and start 02:25:912 (145912|1) earlier to split them evenly across the extra 1/8 you have here, because having them lightly swung kinda goes against the generally smooth section here I feel. done

So yeah, general pop for an unused hitsound, but I feel like the hitsounds, in general, are in a little bit of a disarray. Not to say that it's been done poorly, just that there are plenty of minor things about that I think the map would benefit greatly from being fixed.

So there ya go. My thoughts on things. Let me know what happens whenever my brain's finished reconstructing itself.

Asherz007 wrote:

"G#5S.wav" is unused, delete pls

Do ensure that there's as little delay on the hitsounds as possible, as I do believe some of them are cutting it close.

So, uh, you have a .osb for storyboarded hitsounds and there's still storyboarded samples in the top diff... idk man, you're confusing me lol. If they're just going to be in all of the diffs, you can move them to the .osb.

Okay, aside from that, I still have a fair few hitsound concerns. I'll try to catch as much as I can, but I'm human so bear with me if I don't find everything. I'll use the top diff as my reference point, else I'd be here forever.

To the hitsounder

Anything you don't understand/need more examples, feel free to ask.

Storyboarded hitsounds that increase the volume
Example: 00:17:162

Okay, so the issue I have here is essentially you're increasing the volume of a certain pitch, which is generally fine. However, in this circumstance, my concern is when the player misses the sound is played anyway, which ultimately doesn't provide correct feedback to the player. So the general solution to this would be to remove the sounds from the storyboard and increase the hitsound volume of the note in play since that is possible if that was the intention in the first place of having that particular pitch be significantly louder.

what? I thought i removed them since the last update. anyways fixed. also switched the positions of the lower pitch and the higher pitch, so that the result is that the higher pitches are in the sb and the lower pitches are in play.

Higher-pitched sounds
Example: 02:23:162 (143162|0)

Higher pitches naturally come out a little quieter than other pitches, so these have a much higher tendency to blend into the audio. A simple solution is to just increase the volume for these hitsounds.

okay will try to fix.

Pitch clashes
Example: 01:23:912 (83912|1) with the storyboarded hitsound

So essentially because of being so close together, these two notes are close to being dissonant, which isn't that nice on the ears. In addition to that, one of them shouldn't be there in the first place (I assume someone thought the chord change was in a different place to where it actually is. So going from the pattern I think I see, the storyboarded hitsounds are in fact correct and should replace the ones that are in play.

okay fixed.

Inconsistent storyboarded hitsounds
Example: 01:01:662 compared to, say, 00:59:662.

A smaller issue, but I thought I'd bring this up generally because I don't know whether you want the bass to repeat every 4/1 or 2/1. Personally, I'd go with 2/1, but it's ultimately up to you, as long as some consistent pattern throughout this section is established. (It's probably also ok to remove these ones altogether if you so choose to do so)

okay, for the section of 00:57:162 to 01:13:162 i would like to establish that the pattern of the bass repeats every 1/1, 3/1 and 4/1, (e.g. 01:01:662 (61662|2) and 01:01:912 (61912|4) has the C#3 and transitions into F3 at 01:02:162 , in which prot have suggested me to amplify the previous chord progression, which the bass repeats every 1/1 and 4/1 (e.g. 00:41:912 (41912|4) - has C#3 which transitions into F#3 at 00:42:162 so I dont think there has to be any changes in this section. I would also like to ask for a deeper explanation if I understood it incorrectly.

Hitsound volume in general
Example: basically the kiais, especially after 02:09:162.

So, because everything here is at a flat combined volume of 62%, you're ignoring the musical intensity of the song. Fine when the audio is relatively quiet, but when the song gets naturally louder because it builds up etc., you'll find the hitsounds blend in a lot more. The idea of hitsounds, keep in mind, is to provide audible feedback, so if they're not doing that, then there's not really much point to it. My suggestion for this one would be to have another listen through to check whether they do blend a little too much, and increase the hitsound volume for those notes. This is by far the trickiest one to solve (something about subjectivity), but I believe that this will be an issue during louder sections of the song.

It might actually help given the volume balance to reduce the volume of the audio itself since I feel the keysounds are still going to be drowned out at the increased volume (I'm still struggling to hear the keysounds even with the audio at 50% and effects at 100%.)

would like to try reducing the volume of the audio itself.

Hitsound inaccuracies
Just a few things here that aren't actually accurate to the audio for some reason. Pointing them all out because I'm not sure whether it was intentional (more likely not though).

1. 01:53:412 (113412|2,113912|3) - G#4 -> F#4 fixed
2. 01:55:412 (115412|1,115912|1) - G#3 -> G#4/D#4 fixed
3. 01:56:412 (116412|4,116912|4) - A#3 -> A#4/F4 fixed
4. 01:57:412 (117412|5,117912|5) - G#4 -> F#4 fixed
5. 01:59:412 (119412|0,119912|0) - G#3 -> G#4/D#4 fixed
6. 02:00:412 (120412|5,120912|5) - A#3 -> A#4/F4... you get the idea.
7. 02:21:662 - probably need an A#7 somewhere in this chord. fixed
8. 02:33:162 (153162|3) - A#6 -> F#5 fixed
9. 02:33:662 (153662|2,153912|2) - Are these meant to be on the same octave? Like C7 and C#7? yup
10. 02:34:162 (154162|0,154162|1) - G#5+F4 -> F4+F5 fixed
11. 02:34:412 (154412|2) - I see what you're trying for here, but the sound in the audio is more or less inaudible, so I'd go for A#5 here again. fixed
12. 02:35:162 (155162|6) - G#5 -> G#6(?) fixed
13. 02:35:412 (155412|3) - D#7 -> C#7 fixed
14. 02:35:662 (155662|0) - C#7 -> D#7 fixed
15. 02:36:162 (156162|1) - G#6 -> A#6

fixed
...you know, that final LN section is completely confusing me now, so I have no idea what you were trying to do. Do make sure that dissonances don't appear.

Hitsound prioritisation on the lower diffs don't seem to have gone so well. Ideally the hitsounds should be inline with what you're following (in this case the bass line). Might sound a little weird otherwise if the player misses on the highlighted notes.

Okay, hopefully, my brain's still intact to look at the charts...

1|2|3|4|5|6|7

Easy

Just a couple of small things. (Might want to buff OD to 7 since there's not really much point with 6 'cus no LNs essentially)

1. 01:18:662 (78662|2,78662|5,80162|2,80162|5) - Doesn't make much sense for these to be in the same columns imo. Could change that but perhaps not overly critical.
2. 02:45:162 (165162|6,165162|2,165674|6,165674|2,166187|5,166187|1,166700|4,166700|2,167213|1,167213|5) - Not quite sure why you've opted to go back to 1/1 doubles rather than continuing the 1/2 stream here. Mind providing some explanation?

Usagi desu

1. 00:57:662 - Okay, so remember what I was saying about shortening those LNs by 1/2? Well, basically that bass note repeats during the LN as it stands (hence the note in the storyboard). Whether you want to keep it as it is for aesthetics at this stage is up to you.
2. 01:14:662 (74662|5) - Feels a little strange imo to cut these short by 1/4 if there's no shield. Again up to you, but you could extend these by 1/4. (I would likely definitely do this for 01:16:162 (76162|2,76662|6) for some sort of non-shielded fill-in sort of thing.)
3. 02:09:162 - I actually have a mild concern about true difficulty progression between this and the Normal diff (because SR never works). Compared to the Normal diff, this is significantly harder in terms of both reading and playing (more than what's generally accepted I feel). Particularly in the second half of this section, I feel the large step up is a little unfair. I would strongly urge you to buff the Normal here, especially since the Normal at this point is just the Easy but everything's a 1/1 LN.
4. 02:25:599 (145599|2) - I'd make this 1/16 shorter and start 02:25:912 (145912|1) earlier to split them evenly across the extra 1/8 you have here, because having them lightly swung kinda goes against the generally smooth section here I feel.

So yeah, general pop for an unused hitsound, but I feel like the hitsounds, in general, are in a little bit of a disarray. Not to say that it's been done poorly, just that there are plenty of minor things about that I think the map would benefit greatly from being fixed.

So there ya go. My thoughts on things. Let me know what happens whenever my brain's finished reconstructing itself.

Protastic101 wrote:

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[Sky Rabbit (for Ron)]
01:01:726 - Should have a C#3 in the storyboard
01:03:726 - 01:05:726 - 01:07:726 - 01:09:726 - 01:11:726 - Actually, I'm not sure now if this is done intentionally, but they're all missing the storyboard sample to have that AAB type pitch like you see in the beginning of this section at 00:57:226 -

01:56:226 - 02:00:226 - 02:04:226 - 02:08:226 - Missing A#3 at 62%. It completes the chord progression of F#3 -> C#3 -> G#3

02:25:226 (145226|4,145226|1,145226|5) - The sound begins at 02:25:163 - so I'd shorten all the LNs before it to end there. Applies for all diffs where applicable. fixed this part

02:49:034 (169034|2) - I thought I already reviewed this before but seems not :psy: Anyways, this should be D#7


[Normal]
00:25:976 - to 00:33:226 - Rip col 7 and 6. I know you're trying to be accurate to pitch, but I think it's fine to displace one of those triplets a few columns to the right to avoid having those columns empty for so long (col 7 goes empty even longer)

[Easy]
00:24:226 - to 00:36:726 - I like where the symmetry is going but you can't just leave a column empty for this long cause the mapper essentially becomes 6k for 12 seconds which I don't think is the experience the player is really wanting if they're choosing to play a 7K map.
00:45:476 - to 00:57:476 - ^

01:21:226 - For this kiai, I think it might be nice to separate out the notes that are on the second downbeat like at 01:22:226 (82226|1,84226|2,86226|1,88226|0,90226|1) - from the rest of the notes by putting a few columns of space in between them all so it seems like the player is using another hand to play the note similar to how they'd play this with the left hand on an actual piano. Something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10504709 discussed this over at discord, basically, what'll happen here is that this should be applied for the whole of the first kiai until the calm section,
then i'll stick to the concept applied prior to this mod on the second kiai (at 01:53:226 - ) as things are a bit more intense here in comparison to the previous section

02:25:226 (145226|4,145226|0) - Snap as mentioned in the top diff

02:45:226 - Bruh, the snaps lmfao dafuq, how did i miss this?

Protastic101 wrote:

[Sky Rabbit (for Ron)]
01:01:726 - Should have a C#3 in the storyboard applied
01:03:726 - 01:05:726 - 01:07:726 - 01:09:726 - 01:11:726 - Actually, I'm not sure now if this is done intentionally, but they're all missing the storyboard sample to have that AAB type pitch like you see in the beginning of this section at 00:57:226 - wow i thought i had applied it before but anyways fixed.

01:56:226 - 02:00:226 - 02:04:226 - 02:08:226 - Missing A#3 at 62%. It completes the chord progression of F#3 -> C#3 -> G#3 applied

02:25:226 (145226|4,145226|1,145226|5) - The sound begins at 02:25:163 - so I'd shorten all the LNs before it to end there. Applies for all diffs where applicable.

02:49:034 (169034|2) - I thought I already reviewed this before but seems not :psy: Anyways, this should be D#7 applied

Maxus wrote:

Hello, Congrats for Qualify, but i believe there's couple issue regarding timing that i think need to be adressed first here. This mainly for highest diff, but try to also adjust things for lower diff as well.

02:44:226 - This need additional red line here cause the note is noticeably too late around this part, try use 128 bpm here, and go back to 120 bpm for 02:44:976 -

02:45:224 - The BPM here isn't 117 BPM, it's actually 123 BPM, otherwise the notes are too late around this part.

02:46:249 - Should have new red line at 120 BPM, here you can hear that the note are also quite too late here.

02:47:211 (167211|1,167452|2,167694|3,167936|4) - 4 notes here are very off with the piano, you can hear that the notes are actually far earlier than the piano. I believe the red line are supposed to be at 02:47:261 - (+50ms) , the notes are much more aligned with the piano.

02:48:464 (168464|6,168500|5) - The snap here are actually very off with the piano too, to the point there isn't any instrument playing when the grace sound comes out. I believe these 2 snaps are supposed to be at 02:48:500 - and 02:48:536 - instead.

02:48:749 (168749|4) - Should be at 1/16 at 02:48:785 - , this one also quite off.

02:48:999 (168999|3,169034|2) - should be 1/12 at 02:49:011 - and 02:49:058 -

I'm quite sure these are the main one that's really off, but if you felt it's correct, please provide the explanation about it.
Anyway it's really great LN map, really enjoying this one, good luck!