14:38 Touhou: best artist
14:39 Wanko: ikr
14:40 Touhou: the hitsounds are really quiet
14:41 Wanko: hmm ok
14:41 Touhou: I got some samples that may fit, hang on
14:44 Touhou: take this file, and save it as four copies: soft-sliderslide.wav, soft-slidertick.wav, drum-sliderslide.wav and drum-slidertick.wav
14:44 Touhou: http://puu.sh/v4rss/db349916f7.wav
14:44 Touhou: it's a blank file, that way you don't have the annoying slider sound
14:44 Touhou: as long as the slider head and tail are audible, it's fine to use
14:45 Wanko: ok, thanks
14:45 Touhou: I noticed an assignment issue
14:45 Touhou: 01:12:534 (1) - intense sounds like this
14:45 Touhou: really need something that stands out from the rest
14:45 Touhou: you probably tried to fix that by adjusting volume
14:46 Wanko: yeah, basically
14:46 Touhou: but I would suggest you to use a "finish" sound on them with a different sound file than the clap
14:46 Touhou: to give the song some structure
14:46 Wanko: yeah might work, didnt think about that
14:47 Touhou: use this:
14:47 Touhou: http://puu.sh/v4rDn/f58b9fda02.wav
14:47 Touhou: look how it sounds on the slider head here
14:48 Touhou: 01:08:534 (1) - by assigning a finish to it
14:48 Touhou: 01:12:534 (1) - same here
14:49 Wanko: sec, cant download that file, it opens as text in all my browsers lol
14:49 Touhou: right click text
14:49 Touhou: save as -> enter some .wav name
14:52 Wanko: yeah this works
14:54 Touhou: and another thing
14:54 Touhou: don't do all these volume changes
14:54 Touhou: they're too complicated and not needed
14:54 Touhou: instead, try to divide the song into sections by intensity
14:54 Touhou: that way you only need like 5 total volume changes for the entire map
14:55 Touhou: from here 00:36:534 - to here 01:08:534 - this can be considered as the intro
14:56 Touhou: something like 50% volume should work
14:56 Touhou: maybe less
14:56 Touhou: for the kiai 01:08:534 - to 01:40:534 - something like 80 could work?
14:56 Wanko: hmm dont think i want to screw with the volumes, thought it sounded pretty good
14:57 Touhou: you pretty much fine tuned it already
14:57 Touhou: the issue will be getting mods at all like this
14:57 Touhou: as nearly no one bothers to look at all those
14:59 Touhou: anyway, up to you
14:59 Touhou: maybe something to consider for your next map
14:59 Touhou: another suggestions:
14:59 Wanko: yeah, probably
14:59 Touhou: 02:45:534 (1,3) - the vocals here could have some kind of whistles
14:59 Touhou: to emphasize them
15:00 Touhou: all vocals, going by syllables, could use whistles actually
15:00 Wanko: tbh all i want for now is to see what stuff gets mentioned by modders just to get better in the future
15:00 Touhou: 02:38:534 (1,1,1,1,4) -
15:00 Touhou: ya
15:00 Touhou: that's what I'm doing right now
15:00 Wanko:
15:00 Touhou: cuz modding maps is pointless
15:00 Touhou: if the mapper doesn't learn from the mistakes
15:00 Touhou: that's why I bother typing wall of text instea
15:00 Touhou: d
15:01 Wanko: haha ok
15:01 Touhou: I'm not saying much about the aesthetics you used on the map
15:01 Touhou: as that's subjective I guess
15:01 Touhou: so I mainly focus on the rhythm
15:02 Wanko: my friend always tells me my maps are ugly af so i already know that
15:02 Touhou: what makes it "ugly" are mostly overlaps I guess
15:02 Touhou: 03:00:868 (2,3) -
15:02 Touhou: stuff like this
15:02 Touhou: 03:00:534 (1,2,3,4) -
15:02 Touhou: symmetrical stuff is out of fashion
15:03 Touhou: being creative is hip now
15:03 Wanko: that's like the exact opposite of what he says so i dont give it much attention as long as it's relatively fun to play
15:03 Wanko: cant please everyone
15:04 Touhou: well
15:04 Touhou: symmetrical patterns and "block" sliders like these 01:35:534 (1,1,1,1) - are something from idk maybe 2012
15:05 Wanko: i know and dont really use them often
15:05 Wanko: just where i think they could work
15:07 Touhou: what are your plans with this?
15:07 Touhou: the map I mean
15:07 Touhou: rank or just a fun unranked map?
15:07 Wanko: unranked. i dont even know how to try to rank a map tbh lol
15:08 Touhou: well to rank this you would need a full set anyway
15:08 Touhou: as it's not 5 minutes drain time
15:09 Wanko: yeah i know
15:09 Touhou: if it was 4:30 or something
15:09 Touhou: I could have eddited the .mp3 for you to extend it
15:09 Touhou: but 2 minutes is too much, would get too boring if I just reuse previous parts
15:09 Touhou: so rip
15:10 Wanko: yep
15:10 Touhou: anyway, you should visit lordraika's profile page
15:10 Touhou: he has a hitsound library there
15:10 Wanko: yeah i got his hitsounds
15:10 Touhou: ok nice
15:11 Wanko: so to sum it up it's basically hitsounds and old block patterns that could be fixed?
15:11 Touhou: well
15:11 Touhou: that's what I focus on I guess
15:12 Touhou: but the greatest problem is the lack of consistency
15:12 Touhou: the song is repetitive, yes
15:12 Wanko: wow, didnt expect that
15:12 Touhou: but try to keep some similarities to previous parts
15:13 Touhou: it could be distance, patterns, angles, shapes etc
15:13 Touhou: it looks pretty chaotic
15:13 Wanko: i think the distance is the same for similar parts
15:13 Wanko: angles... ye could be random
15:13 Touhou: I made something
15:13 Touhou: hold on
15:15 Touhou: https://puu.sh/ugByq/a8e84b7e50.png
15:15 Touhou: start from circle one, go to circle 2 and then it depends what kind of intensity level your current part has
15:15 Touhou: paint.exe ftw
15:15 Wanko: jesus
15:16 Touhou: I PERSONALLY don't go beyond 90° unless it's supppppper slow
15:16 Touhou: so the red could be extended to 180° even
15:17 Touhou: but It would look messy on graphic
15:17 Touhou: oh and take this
15:17 Touhou: https://puu.sh/v2g9V/79c9bca0ea.png
15:17 Touhou: that's how you should assign hitsounds if there's a drum
15:18 Wanko: lol xD i dont think i can even recognise these in a song
15:18 Touhou: well
15:18 Touhou: the clap is snare
15:18 Touhou: hmm wait
15:18 Touhou: let me send you a video
15:20 Touhou: ok this may look confusing at first
15:20 Touhou: but I'll give you a clear example
15:20 Touhou: once you watched a bit
15:20 Touhou: haha
15:20 Touhou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThvGr7BbY8
15:21 Touhou: https://youtu.be/ZThvGr7BbY8?t=48s on this part, the left hand uses the snare (in your case you put a clap)
15:21 Touhou: the right hand uses a cymbal, in your case it's a whistle
15:22 Touhou: this guy has a lot of different cymbals, they are there for different sounds, don't get confused
15:22 Touhou: there are 2 types only that are important for you: either whistle or finish
15:22 Touhou: whistles aren't that loud, finish is super loud, easy
15:22 Wanko: uh, till now i just put whatever felt fitting
15:23 Wanko: guess i have no excuses now after i've been educated
15:23 Touhou: yeah that's why I'm trying to explain
15:23 Touhou: basically, always try to watch a video of someone playing the song you map
15:23 Touhou: hitsound to how he plays it
15:23 Touhou: by looking at the picture I send before
15:30 Wanko: the hitsounds are way too loud for me tbh
15:30 Touhou: check your volume settings
15:30 Touhou: you should have song and effect equal
cut out more personal crap here
15:44 Wanko: btw can i somehow save this conversation?
15:44 Wanko: so you can actually post on my map's thread and i can give you kudosu
15:44 Touhou: I don't need kudosu but if you want the priority on the map, sure