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Flower - Akikaze no Answer

posted 2017-02-26T14:41:19+00:00

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Xinying

559 posts

Joined July 2013

Xinying 2017-03-15T19:16:12+00:00

From your M4M queue , my map for M4M : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479697

General

I assume you're getting an SB for this map? If not you might want to disable widescreen support
Why not have the respective mappers name on their diffs? (Syph's Hana, Cloud's Hard, Collab Easy ...) At first look I thought they were all mapped by you
02:01:334 - add green lines which increase the volume consistently, and another one here 02:03:553 - with 5% volume

Easy

01:53:757 (1,2) - spacing is too large.

Hard

01:02:883 (2,3) - stack them? you've been stacking them consistently so far
01:21:557 - because you've been consistently following majority of the vocals, skipping this note would feel weird. Try this? I think it fits the style of your map~
01:41:608 (1) - delay this slider by one tick and map a note in front of it instead. It would look something like this

Insane

AR -> 8~8.2? Right now it feels too fast.
00:32:883 (4,1) - I think stacking doesn't work because 00:33:036 (1) - has a cymbal sound. Just placing it on 126|196 will do~
01:29:822 (2) - Am pretty sure this 1/6 is snapped to nothing, either that or something very subtle. A simple 1/4 note will do imo
01:31:812 (1) - to 01:39:159 (1) - , you sure not mapping this entire section to 1/3? I feel that this entire difficulty is built around the vocals (and symmetry, of course), so leaving the vocals completely here breaks the "structure" of the map in a sense?

Hana

00:32:730 (2,3) - This burst jump is too sudden imo. Considering your build-up earlier, I suggest placing 00:32:883 (3) - on 109|291 and 00:33:036 (4) - on 299|181. This also emphasizes the Finish sound on (4).
01:09:618 (3) - Is this simplified to 1/4 intentionally? If not it is snapped to 1/6. (1/4 is fine for other diffs for simplicity purposes).
01:11:302 (3,4) - Maybe shift these notes to 168|277? It feels nicer to play, furthermore you double stacked earlier here 00:31:200 (1,2,3,4) -
01:12:832 (3,4,5) - This angle feels awkward to play imo. Perhaps try something like this?
01:19:873 (3) - ctrl-g would feel better, if you do change this, then I suggest ctrl-g this 01:20:179 (4) - too
01:21:097 (3,1) - avoid this overlap here
01:51:462 - you might've missed a spinner here

that's all from me. Besides the minor spacing issue in Easy, the lower diffs feels fine and the mapset in general is neat. Good job and good luck~!

Stack

osu! Alumni

729 posts

Joined March 2015

Stack 2017-03-15T21:05:51+00:00

Easy

00:44:669 (3) - This slider feels too long and doesnt really represent all she is singing, maybe something like 00:42:832 (1) again

00:42:832 (1) - Move this one a bit more to the right for easier flow from the previous to the next slider.

00:55:383 (1,2) - Are not alligned with the sliderend

01:09:771 (1) - You can put a spinner here so you don't have the gap here. ( This is preference)

01:41:302 (3,1) - This doesnt sound right since the long slider starts in the middle of the syllable.

01:56:206 (2,3) - I would change this shape since it doesnt look nice

Normal

00:10:995 (1) - A spinner would feel better beacause it starts with a little sound and get more intense

01:01:200 (3) - Move it up a bit so it doesnt overlap.

(01:47:635 (3) - A teeny tiny bit of overlap with 01:46:410 (1))

Hard

00:33:036 (1) - I wouldn't make a perfect overlap with the previous sliderend

00:42:679 (9) - Put this note in the direction of the next slider beacause the timing between stays the same.

01:18:036 (2,3,4) - This back and forth seems difficult for a hard since the song is mapped like 196 bpm 1/2's

01:31:506 (7,8,1) - The timing gap doesnt change but the jump suddenly increases

01:34:465 (1,2,3) - ^

01:47:329 (2,5) - The perfect stack makes it more difficult to read and you also didnt stack 01:48:553 (6,2) although these sound the same

Insane

00:25:230 (5) - there is no sound on this note, just map it like you previously did

00:31:200 (3,4,1) - Why space these so uneven?

00:46:200 (4,5,1) - Stack these like 00:48:648 (1,2,3)

01:10:383 (2,3,4) - Spacing here changes again, I would keep it equal here and follow the line the sliderheads make https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/VAquCbP.png

01:39:771 (3,4,5,6) - This jump here looks off, maybe move 01:39:771 (3,4,5) to the left a bit so during the jumps you keep moving right

01:56:206 (1) - Don't stack this beacause there is no 1/4 gap here

I don't have much to say about the last diff except for the fact that the jumps were difficult to read, but the map was very consistent through the whole song so it fits. Last diff is great btw

M4M from the queue

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-03-15T23:46:43+00:00

greenwood0301 wrote:
Hi M4M From Your Queue

Hana

00:22:858 1/8 for that? You should ame the slider longer and delete the note why? I want to have the strong sound clickable

00:27:756 ^ ^

00:33:036 You put NC in all the map set but not here ? nc'd

00:54:771 to 00:55:001 I see now why you used 1/8 owo

01:41:608 Why NC there and why are you trying to hide it with a Finish xD ? huh

02:01:104 1/8 reverse wtf yes

SCANDiO wrote:
hi hrom m4m queue

Hana

01:51:308 - add there spinnner rather not

that's all, i think. i just tired, that's why mod looks so tiny :c

Xinying wrote:
From your M4M queue , my map for M4M : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/479697

Hana
00:32:730 (2,3) - This burst jump is too sudden imo. Considering your build-up earlier, I suggest placing 00:32:883 (3) - on 109|291 and 00:33:036 (4) - on 299|181. This also emphasizes the Finish sound on (4). went with something else, should be better
01:09:618 (3) - Is this simplified to 1/4 intentionally? If not it is snapped to 1/6. (1/4 is fine for other diffs for simplicity purposes). in all honesty didn't even know but yeah rather keep it like this since having 1 note on 1/6 in the entire map would be really weird
01:11:302 (3,4) - Maybe shift these notes to 168|277? It feels nicer to play, furthermore you double stacked earlier here 00:31:200 (1,2,3,4) - mm I prefer this since the sound there is like barely audible
01:12:832 (3,4,5) - This angle feels awkward to play imo. Perhaps try something like this? that plays basically the same
01:19:873 (3) - ctrl-g would feel better, if you do change this, then I suggest ctrl-g this 01:20:179 (4) - too don't think so ;w;
01:21:097 (3,1) - avoid this overlap here it's intentional though I like how this looks
01:51:462 - you might've missed a spinner here wanted a break ;w;

that's all from me. Besides the minor spacing issue in Easy, the lower diffs feels fine and the mapset in general is neat. Good job and good luck~!

thanks for modding!
subscribed to the thread now btw nyukai i forgot sorry

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Lune

258 posts

Joined September 2015

Lune 2017-03-16T15:24:13+00:00

Hi, M4M ~

Easy

Great diff
this pattern 01:31:812 (1,2,3) - is more playable than this 01:34:261 (1,2) - in my opinion you should make it like the first one
01:44:574 (1,3) - Too much curved
01:53:757 (1) - You should change this slider, doesn't really fit with the piano

Normal

00:01:200 (1,2) - is it normal whistle sounds are only in the first one ?
00:03:648 (1,2) - ^
00:10:995 (1) - spinner can look good aswell, just my opinion
00:52:628 (1) - maybe another slider could fit better
01:03:342 (2,3) - Hard to play for normal players
01:08:240 (3) - Is there any reason you made it this way ?
01:39:159 (1) - Beautfiul ♥
01:45:186 (3,1) - overlap
I think 01:56:206 (1,2) - needs the same hitsounds than 01:53:757 (2,3) -
02:01:104 (1) - spinner ?

Hard

00:10:995 (1,1) - This note will be hard to get hit by hard players, when I played it I didn't see it at first so..
00:27:985 (8,1) - Maybe a bigless jump ?
00:30:587 (1) - This slider should reverse at 00:30:740 - listen with 25% and you'll see
00:39:159 (6) - reverse or add a note at 00:39:465 - ?
00:42:067 (7,8,9,1) - Too hard (atleast for me) I suggest you to make two sliders instead of 00:42:220 (8,9) - and just to keep the jump as it is
00:47:118 (6) - Same at 00:39:159 (6) -
01:02:424 (1) - The reverse is useless
Another suggestion, remove this 01:06:251 (4) - and make a slider which starts at 01:05:944 - and finish on 01:06:251 (4) -
01:17:118 (1) - Add a note 01:17:424 - here, if you start following the vocals I think it's better to keep this idea
01:19:873 - ^
01:26:914 (1) - ^
01:32:424 (2,3) - Reverse slider is easier to play
01:35:485 (4) - Why changing the pattern in all of a sudden ?
01:37:934 (3) - ^

I am unable to play the 2 hardest diff so I prefer not to mod them, hope it helped see you ~

Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-03-16T16:50:31+00:00

I appreciated your suggestions about spinners in lowest diffs, but keep in mind that we need a long time for break until the next note, so I couldn't add spinners and I had to do something different, hope you understand.

About diffnames: I wanted to keep "Hana" in the last diff which was supposed to be mine, however the spread got really different and Syph's diff is higher than mine, I didn't think "Syph's Hana" sounded really nice, so I wanted to do it more simple, but I will keep this in mind, I promise.

I would like to say although Easy diff is collab I got permission to change everything is needed but asking first to him, so it's ok <3

I prefered to keep 1/4 patterns on Insane instead of 1/3, sounds really weird following 1/3 and then 01:34:261 (1) - all these being 1/4, I think it's fine as it is.

Updated everything and Syph's diff, we just need to wait Cloud now :3

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-03-17T00:32:09+00:00

aaaa

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-03-17T01:09:02+00:00

Ayy double post

greenwood0301

greenwood0301 wrote:
Hard
00:01:200 to 00:10:689 Map something here I am not following the same patterns than Nyukai. I wanted to make it as simplier as I could.

01:41:608 Kai ? hm?

01:54:064 to 01:55:900 if you are maping the vocal for the end put a long slider here It makes no sense. That part follows well the vocals.[

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SCANDiO

SCANDiO wrote:
hi hrom m4m queue

00:30:587 (1) - why is 1/3? it heard badly than it could be It is not 3/4 and it's not 1/6, just 1/3 and it is good for me.
00:26:761 (4,5) - huge distance if look at length on top, reduce a little bit lol it is default DS, there is no jump there.
01:46:104 (10,11) - doesn't feel a flow, lined somehow to slider (1) Flow is fine
01:49:931 (4,5) - reduce distance a little bit That is the normal DS for that rhythm.

Xinying

Hard

01:02:883 (2,3) - stack them? you've been stacking them consistently so far Yeah, why not.
01:21:557 - because you've been consistently following majority of the vocals, skipping this note would feel weird. Try this? I think it fits the style of your map~ My bad. Thanks
01:41:608 (1) - delay this slider by one tick and map a note in front of it instead. It would look something like Okaythis

gottagof4ast

00:33:036 (1) - I wouldn't make a perfect overlap with the previous sliderend I don't see what's the problem with it.

00:42:679 (9) - Put this note in the direction of the next slider beacause the timing between stays the same. it is actually the same

01:18:036 (2,3,4) - This back and forth seems difficult for a hard since the song is mapped like 196 bpm 1/2's ??? o_o it plays the same in whole map

01:31:506 (7,8,1) - The timing gap doesnt change but the jump suddenly increases It is a small gap, it is not more intituive without it.

01:34:465 (1,2,3) - ^ No changes

01:47:329 (2,5) - The perfect stack makes it more difficult to read and you also didnt stack 01:48:553 (6,2) although these sound the same No changes

[box=[ M I N A K O:1337]]

[ M I N A K O ] wrote:
00:10:995 (1,1) - This note will be hard to get hit by hard players, when I played it I didn't see it at first so.. Will considerer for later
00:27:985 (8,1) - Maybe a bigless jump ? Hard players are crybaby tbh no changes
00:30:587 (1) - This slider should reverse at 00:30:740 - listen with 25% and you'll see No, you should hear it better. It hears like 1/3.
00:39:159 (6) - reverse or add a note at 00:39:465 - ? feels better with long slider x) I dont want to spam 1/2
00:42:067 (7,8,9,1) - Too hard (atleast for me) I suggest you to make two sliders instead of 00:42:220 (8,9) - and just to keep the jump as it is Meh, I never had problems for these kinds of patterns but I changed it anyway.
00:47:118 (6) - Same at 00:39:159 (6) - this slider emphasizes the strong hitsound. So, no changes.
01:02:424 (1) - The reverse is useless Following vocals.
Another suggestion, remove this 01:06:251 (4) - and make a slider which starts at 01:05:944 - and finish on 01:06:251 (4) -
01:17:118 (1) - Add a note 01:17:424 - here, if you start following the vocals I think it's better to keep this idea I don't want to spam 1/2
01:19:873 - ^ ^
01:26:914 (1) - ^ ^
01:32:424 (2,3) - Reverse slider is easier to play 1/3 is more easier to play :/ I don't know why people keeps complaining about
01:35:485 (4) - Why changing the pattern in all of a sudden ? Can't you explain better?
01:37:934 (3) - ^ ^

Thanks you for modding.
For all who modded my diff: Please, try to write more. It feels like you only want to change my difficult without any explanation or solid argument, just "do this and this". Considering that I defend a lot my style, I won't change because yes.

Remember that modding is not to force anyone, it is a help to the mapper to improve their own style. Good luck everyone o/

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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-03-17T07:35:44+00:00

M4M
Add silent soft-sliderslide, most noticable at the ending
Diff names don't really imply there was stuff made by other people, should probably change to indicate there was GDs or collabs

Insane
00:15:587 (4,5,1) - Odd wide angle, could change to look better
00:19:414 (2,3) - Should rhythm be broken here? There's normally a long slider to cover the bass but not here
00:24:771 (3,4,5) - Again pretty odd angle
00:32:883 (4,1) - Can add spacing for better emphasise
00:45:281 (1,2,3,4) - This can be improved but not sure how to say/do it
01:23:240 (1,2,3) - Not sure if this spacing is readable
01:29:771 (2) - Piano really isn't worth mapping here, stay consistent with rhythm on this.
01:37:016 (2) - Vocals are unmapped if this isn't a slider, since it's 1/3

Normal
00:48:648 (2,3) - Consider simplifying your usage of slider shapes in general, hard for newbies to keep up with new ideas.
01:48:859 (6) - Good example of the point above, why not just use a curved slider here? Follows flow better and easier to understand. This is a really general thing so I can't point out the whole map as an issue.
iirc usage of 1/4 rhythm is discouraged in Normal diffs, should keep to 1/2s for simplicty
01:09:771 (1) - RC states spinners should be at least 3 beats long and have 2 beats recovery, this does neither. Can remove.

Hana
00:39:771 (1) - First part doesn't really feel like it should have a break if you can map this, could map the stuff before.
hana + hard are fine

Cloudchaser

2,327 posts

Joined May 2012

Cloudchaser 2017-03-17T23:49:12+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
Diff names don't really imply there was stuff made by other people, should probably change to indicate there was GDs or collabs

I don't really mind if they put me on the description & tags.

Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-03-20T22:12:38+00:00

Just waiting for Syph now, although I don't think that break is going to be mapped tbh.

I'm not sure about GD names yet, and hitsounds are ok for me.

Last edited by Nyukai 2017-03-22T22:37:41+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-03-21T17:06:54+00:00

I'll map that section either later today or tomorrow

Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-03-21T18:03:35+00:00

As you wish.

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-03-21T18:35:42+00:00

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:秋風のアンサー
Artist:Flower
ArtistUnicode:Flower
Creator:Nyukai
Version:Hana
Source:ビンタ!〜弁護士事務員ミノワが愛で解決します〜
Tags:Answer of the Autumn Wind Hanadokei Mio Nakajima Shuuka Fujii Manami Shigetome Reina Washio Kyoka Ichiki Nozomi Bando Harumi Sato Chiharu Muto Collab Syph Cloudchaser Ethel
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edit: im fine with the diffname personally btw, but clarifying it a bit more in desc would be nice probably to avoid confusion

Nyukai

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Nyukai 2017-03-22T22:37:49+00:00

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Syph

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Syph 2017-03-22T23:24:24+00:00

small update sry

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Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-03-24T09:44:52+00:00

Updated again.

Maruyu

742 posts

Joined July 2013

Maruyu 2017-04-03T22:13:32+00:00

yay ~(^_^~) (~^_^)~

anna apple

1,245 posts

Joined March 2014

anna apple 2017-04-11T19:22:35+00:00

yuzu is cute \o/

SeaRasp

693 posts

Joined August 2014

SeaRasp 2017-04-14T16:39:24+00:00

Hi M4M

Syph

00:02:364 (1) - Would feel better if the slider started on the following blue tick it's a higher note so more important
00:19:201 (4,5) - Would be better if you didn't stack these the same why these are 00:18:742 (2,3) - cuz they don't follow the same sounds and the beats should be emphasized like you did at 00:14:303 (4,5) - and pretty much all the others for example. Same 00:26:548 (4,5) -
00:30:527 (1) - to 00:32:976 (1) - seems like messy rhythm choices because in the jump there are different importance in the beats you are following and they aren't really distinct the way you mapped them consider using varying spacing for example unstack these 00:31:446 (3,4) - .
00:39:099 (1,1,1) - Feel like these should either all be stacked or have about the same distance between them right now seems a little random and why are these 00:48:895 (1,2,3) - sliders and not similar to before. While 00:50:119 (1,2,3) - these I understand to emphasize piano and vocals at the same time
01:10:935 (1,2,3,4) - Really confusing coming out of 2 triple patters this is easily mistakable
01:18:282 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - Shouldn't the spacing be decreasing like the piano notes are getting lower pitched, would make more sense
01:29:303 (1,2) - unstack to match 01:30:221 (3,4) - to emphasize the beats better

Overall NCs are also questionable, at least to me but still not a bad map

Maruyu

00:02:364 (1) - imo better to remove the NC to unify the sliders and make the shape which they form stand out more. Same for the following ones
00:14:456 (4,5) - Large spacing doesn't seem necessary at all here consider reducing it because the beat on 00:14:609 (5) - is barely noticeable at all and that would break the emphasis on 00:13:844 (2,3) -
Shouldn't 00:30:833 (2,3) - have less spacing than 00:31:446 (5,6) - , they seem much less important

Not most aesthetic map but rhythms are interesting

Insane

00:01:140 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Increasing spacing doesn't seem necessary at all they are all the same importance and it seems like a bit spacing for a calm introduction for an insane. Same 00:03:588 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -
00:25:323 (6,7) - Should stand out in the pattern and be distinct from the previous 2 circles, you emphasized them everywhere else so might aswell
00:41:242 (1) - The break transitioning to this doesn't feel right it feels like a random start. Probably best to map the part before
00:43:231 (2,3,4) - Bad rhythm choice here it's a bit overmapped, why not just use a circle stacked on 00:43:691 (3) - with a 1/2 distance like 00:45:221 (1,2,3) -
01:19:660 (7) - Should this be mapped also even though you are focusing on vocals ?
01:21:650 (4,5) - These should be more emphasized unless you really are focusing only on vocals
01:27:925 (4) - Add a circle here to cover the beat
01:48:895 (3) - 2 stacked circles instead of the slider would be nice here also to emphasize the beats

Alright that's all GL !

- Frontier -

1,854 posts

Joined April 2014

- Frontier - 2017-04-15T09:58:42+00:00

m4m

[Cloudchaser]

00:01:140 to 00:10:935 - Since the other diffs mapped this part, you should map this part as well.
00:27:925 (8,1) - Since you didn't make jump before. If you make jump here, players may confused that this one isn't jump. maybe you should move it nearer.
00:30:527 (1) - sorry but i can't here any 1/3 here. maybe just me ;w;
01:35:425 (4,5) - not perfectly blanket. move (5) to x:120 y:104 for a perfect blanket.
01:41:548 - Other diffs make flash kiai here, you should do as well.
imo ar7.5 is kinda too fast for this kind of song. you could reduce it.

[Insane]

00:17:364 (3,4) - not perfectly blanket. move (4) to x:348 y:292 for a perfect blanket. (It'll blanket 00:18:282 (1) as well!)
01:00:527 (4,5) - not perfectly blanket

[Syph's Answer]

00:03:282 (6,1) - You should make it near since the other part that has the same rhythm (like0 0:05:731 (6,1) or 00:07:874 (4,1) ) make it near. [fck explanation]
01:31:752 (1,3) - overlap makes it looks ugly. try to move it.
01:34:201 (1,3) - ^

nothing to say about it. it's good but there are some of pattern that..
GL~

Maruyu

742 posts

Joined July 2013

Maruyu 2017-04-15T13:02:46+00:00

SeaRasp wrote:
Hi M4M

Maruyu
00:02:364 (1) - imo better to remove the NC to unify the sliders and make the shape which they form stand out more. Same for the following ones For some reason I thought I had done that before... lol
00:14:456 (4,5) - Large spacing doesn't seem necessary at all here consider reducing it because the beat on 00:14:609 (5) - is barely noticeable at all and that would break the emphasis on 00:13:844 (2,3) - It's true that the beat is not very noticeable, but the reason why I did so is because of 00:13:384 (1,2,3,4,5) - as a pattern; there's spacing on 00:13:844 (2,3) - AND 00:14:456 (4,5) - .
Shouldn't 00:30:833 (2,3) - have less spacing than 00:31:446 (5,6) - , they seem much less important you're right, i changed it
Not most aesthetic map but rhythms are interesting Thanks :p

Alright that's all GL !

nyucchi

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Arisa Ichigaya

41 posts

Joined December 2015

Arisa Ichigaya 2017-04-17T04:08:03+00:00

From your M4M
Since you just need to mod my insane, ill just only mod easy - insane

Collab Easy

00:13:078 (1) - Could change this to just a circle on 00:13:384, players wouldn't expect starting on a red tick + having a NC on a red tick implies that the slider is on a white tick
00:13:997 (2) - Maybe change the curve of slider to match the flow
01:16:752 (3,1,2) - Might suprise players because of the constant 1/2 rhythm, plus the overlap doesn't help, would move 3 to the right
01:44:608 (1,2,3) - Would look better if you could change it to look like 00:06:037 (1,2,3)
01:28:078 (3) - Change the curve to match flow

Normal

01:03:282 (2,3) - 1/4 is too confusing, change into circles
01:53:792 (2) - NC
01:58:691 (1,2) - Gap seens weird, move 2 1/4 beat back and add a reverse

Cloudchaser's Hard

00:29:150 (4,5) - 3/4 gap, turn it into a slider
00:53:486 (4,5) - ^
01:18:129 (3) - Going 1/4 back and forth is too difficult, move 3 inbetween 2 and 4
01:31:599 (8,1) - Too large gap, put them closer together
01:34:609 (2,3) - ^

Insane

01:21:956 (1,2) and 01:22:568 (3,4) gaps look visually similar, but they are different rhythm, change to better represent
01:34:813 (3,4) - Too large gap, move 4

Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-04-17T08:09:04+00:00

SeaRasp wrote:
Insane
00:01:140 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Increasing spacing doesn't seem necessary at all they are all the same importance and it seems like a bit spacing for a calm introduction for an insane. Same 00:03:588 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Hard to rearrange tbh, and this diff is quite easy so I prefered to add some little jumps through the whole map.
00:25:323 (6,7) - Should stand out in the pattern and be distinct from the previous 2 circles, you emphasized them everywhere else so might aswell Just prefered to emphasize the following stanza, I think it's ok.
00:41:242 (1) - The break transitioning to this doesn't feel right it feels like a random start. Probably best to map the part before
00:43:231 (2,3,4) - Bad rhythm choice here it's a bit overmapped, why not just use a circle stacked on 00:43:691 (3) - with a 1/2 distance like 00:45:221 (1,2,3) - I don't think it's overmapped.
01:19:660 (7) - Should this be mapped also even though you are focusing on vocals ? Why not?
01:21:650 (4,5) - These should be more emphasized unless you really are focusing only on vocals I don't think so, I did this pattern many times, emphasizing next stanza is fine here, I would do more jumps if this were harder somehow.
01:27:925 (4) - Add a circle here to cover the beat
01:48:895 (3) - 2 stacked circles instead of the slider would be nice here also to emphasize the beats I guess I will keep the symmetry for now, it's not a big issue.
Alright that's all GL !

@- Frontier -: blankets are fixed, thank you o/

-Pootis- wrote:
01:03:282 (2,3) - 1/4 is too confusing, change into circles Quite hard, I don't want to lose the vocals.
01:53:792 (2) - NC
01:58:691 (1,2) - Gap seens weird, move 2 1/4 beat back and add a reverse I don't see any problem here.

01:21:956 (1,2) and 01:22:568 (3,4) gaps look visually similar, but they are different rhythm, change to better represent I don't get this, sorry.
01:34:813 (3,4) - Too large gap, move 4

Not mentioned means fixed, thanks to all! Now waiting for Syph and Cloud.

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-04-17T14:10:23+00:00

SeaRasp wrote:
Hi M4M

Syph
00:02:364 (1) - Would feel better if the slider started on the following blue tick it's a higher note so more important while the blue tick is stronger the white tick has more of a holding sound so I think this is better
00:19:201 (4,5) - Would be better if you didn't stack these the same why these are 00:18:742 (2,3) - cuz they don't follow the same sounds and the beats should be emphasized like you did at 00:14:303 (4,5) - and pretty much all the others for example. Same 00:26:548 (4,5) - they do follow the same sounds though? not the sounds you're saying
00:30:527 (1) - to 00:32:976 (1) - seems like messy rhythm choices because in the jump there are different importance in the beats you are following and they aren't really distinct the way you mapped them consider using varying spacing for example unstack these 00:31:446 (3,4) - . I don't really get what you're saying lol, I did emphasize them properly and obviously 3,4 are stacked because they're the same sound, I'm not gonna do massive jump spam when this is just a 5 star map
00:39:099 (1,1,1) - Feel like these should either all be stacked or have about the same distance between them right now seems a little random and why are these 00:48:895 (1,2,3) - sliders and not similar to before. While 00:50:119 (1,2,3) - these I understand to emphasize piano and vocals at the same time I like having some movement so I didn't stack all of them, and idk if you'd pay attention you'd notice there's other stuff in the background that's a lot more audible on 00:48 than on 00:39
01:10:935 (1,2,3,4) - Really confusing coming out of 2 triple patters this is easily mistakable not really
01:18:282 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4) - Shouldn't the spacing be decreasing like the piano notes are getting lower pitched, would make more sense vocal
01:29:303 (1,2) - unstack to match 01:30:221 (3,4) - to emphasize the beats better again I'm not gonna spam jumps the entire time for a 5 star
Alright that's all GL !

- Frontier - wrote:
m4m

[Syph's Answer]
00:03:282 (6,1) - You should make it near since the other part that has the same rhythm (like0 0:05:731 (6,1) or 00:07:874 (4,1) ) make it near. [fck explanation] I like having some variation tho I think it's more fun to play like this
01:31:752 (1,3) - overlap makes it looks ugly. try to move it. I actually think stuff like this looks good, that's why I do it s:
01:34:201 (1,3) - ^
GL~[/notice]

thank you but no changes s: sorry

Shyotamaze

916 posts

Joined December 2014

Shyotamaze 2017-04-23T20:13:26+00:00

Hi, from #modreqs

General

That background size is a bit weird, why not 1366x768 instead?

Insane

01:57:160 (4,1) - That rhythm doesn't fit the music and it's inconsistent with 01:53:792 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - so try something like that http://prntscr.com/ezylss (with the same NCing too so stay consistent)
01:58:690 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - Make the NCing consistent with 01:53:792 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - since the music is similar

Syph's Answer

00:03:282 (6,1) - Make the spacing consistent with 00:05:731 (6,1) - and 00:07:874 (4,1) - since there is no reason to make the DS higher only there
00:04:048 (3,4) - The music doesn't justify such a jump, maybe I'd have understood if you emphasized the NC here 00:04:813 (1) - instead but you didn't, so make the jump smaller
00:17:364 (8,1) - The overlap is kinda ugly, maybe try something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7906088
01:17:058 (1,2) - There is a strong vocal on the sliderend so make two 1/2 sliders like this http://prntscr.com/ezyx2l
01:51:344 Putting a spinner here as the other diffs is recommended so the leaderboard wouldn't be with the same scores

Good luck!

Nyukai

2,415 posts

Joined July 2012

Topic Starter

Nyukai 2017-04-26T21:29:24+00:00

It doesn't need to be consistent everytime, it's more like 00:06:037 (1,2,3,4) - since vocals are starting again.

The rest is fine with me, I will try to fix BG size, then I wait for Syph's update :3

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-04-26T21:32:15+00:00

Shyotamaze wrote:
Hi, from #modreqs

Syph's Answer
00:03:282 (6,1) - Make the spacing consistent with 00:05:731 (6,1) - and 00:07:874 (4,1) - since there is no reason to make the DS higher only there there is indeed no specific reason for this, however I've mentioned in my last post that I like having some kind of variety. It doesn't really change the map that much but you do notice it's there so I think it's fine
00:04:048 (3,4) - The music doesn't justify such a jump, maybe I'd have understood if you emphasized the NC here 00:04:813 (1) - instead but you didn't, so make the jump smaller it's not big at all honestly, you can abuse sliders and it feels a lot smaller than it actually looks in the editor
00:17:364 (8,1) - The overlap is kinda ugly, maybe try something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7906088 I don't think it's ugly
01:17:058 (1,2) - There is a strong vocal on the sliderend so make two 1/2 sliders like this http://prntscr.com/ezyx2l changed it but not how you want it though
01:51:344 Putting a spinner here as the other diffs is recommended so the leaderboard wouldn't be with the same scores nah
Good luck!

thanks~

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Maruyu

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Maruyu 2017-04-27T08:36:22+00:00

how come my diff don't get no mods

no love ;_;

Nyukai

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Nyukai 2017-04-27T09:23:11+00:00

Maruyu wrote:
how come my diff don't get no mods

no love ;_;

It's purrrfect!

Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2017-05-22T22:18:10+00:00

So hmmm I just took a quick look.

[Syph's Answer :]

I main issue with your diff imo is there's no difference between calm and intense part. All is almost full jumps and destroy the dynamic of your diff.Intro should be way more peaceful than rest of the song. Also patterns like 00:59:303 (1,2,3,4,1) - can't work because 00:59:762 (4) - that beat is suspended but you make it play like it was a strong beat. I think you should just more try to use your spacing with the music peace and not force it with brutal jumps/patterns.

[Maruyu's Insane :]

AR8.5 for OD8 is a bit overkill imo, and even more since it's the same than other Insane. AR9 or smth close to that would be better.
What I could say with your diff...first I dislike the slow SV who don't change much between parts, I mean it's rather small and don't really work that well with most intense part. A slightly more faster one would be better imo.
Second point, your jumps into 1/4 like 00:36:037 (2,3,4) - are super inconfortable imo and contrast too much with your other 1/4 like triplet on start 00:38:793 (3,4,5) - for example. I would see more smth more consistent and not brutal to play like that, especially on a section who is supposed to be calm.
You end doing so much weird and wrong overlaps like 00:05:731 (10,1) - who ruin your global aesthetic when you could avoid them so easiely, I can't understand why ;w;

[Insane :]

So I want to say than all your intro where you increasing spacing is just wrong. First, the music gain no intensity whatsoever, and if you look at your gders who did Extra / Insane, you can see they didn't do that for that reason, so that make your version even more weird.
Your spacing is kinda going crazy and highly inconsistent, just look at 00:17:670 (4,5,1) - and 00:27:772 (5,6,1) - , and you have the perfect example of what is your big problem here, since that's not the only one present.
01:29:711 (2) - I don't think that's 1/6 here. Just put a circle on 01:29:762 - .

Normal have a little spacing issue on 01:02:364 (1,2) -

I don't think I would icon that in that state, it can be much cleaner than that. Sorry but hope it helped.

Mukyu~

Syph

848 posts

Joined August 2014

Syph 2017-05-22T23:41:56+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
So hmmm I just took a quick look.

[Syph's Answer :]
I main issue with your diff imo is there's no difference between calm and intense part. All is almost full jumps and destroy the dynamic of your diff.Intro should be way more peaceful than rest of the song. Also patterns like 00:59:303 (1,2,3,4,1) - can't work because 00:59:762 (4) - that beat is suspended but you make it play like it was a strong beat. I think you should just more try to use your spacing with the music peace and not force it with brutal jumps/patterns.

Agreed with the intro, reworked the spacing there~ though the other pattern you mentioned sometimes I have to sacrifice proper emphasis for good looking patterns/visuals eg star patterns which is the case here, it doesn't happen often and the strong vocal kinda backs it up too so I don't think it's that bad honestly

Mukyu~

thanks for taking a look nozhomi~

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Maruyu

742 posts

Joined July 2013

Maruyu 2017-05-23T17:59:37+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
So hmmm I just took a quick look.

[Maruyu's Insane :]
AR8.5 for OD8 is a bit overkill imo, and even more since it's the same than other Insane. AR9 or smth close to that would be better. rethinking by what you said I decided to go with AR9 OD 7.5 if Nyu agrees
What I could say with your diff...first I dislike the slow SV who don't change much between parts, I mean it's rather small and don't really work that well with most intense part. A slightly more faster one would be better imo. What I went at the start of the song was to introduce a map that follows very simplistic, yet meaningful melodies in the song where the only denser parts are where beats allow or where there are vocals (with the exception of the chorus, which still follows the principle to some certain extent but not fully). I'm a fan (of course, i mean I made it lol) of the slow SV because it holds you inside the actual melody I want you to notice (idk if that's any clearer for you). ofc the rhythm at the end is similar to the beginning but it's differently mapped because it feels bad to leave such a heavy chorus into an "introductorial" section. i don't mind if you tell me that that explanation is all bogus btw lol
Second point, your jumps into 1/4 like 00:36:037 (2,3,4) - are super inconfortable imo and contrast too much with your other 1/4 like triplet on start 00:38:793 (3,4,5) - for example. I would see more smth more consistent and not brutal to play like that, especially on a section who is supposed to be calm.
You end doing so much weird and wrong overlaps like 00:05:731 (10,1) - who ruin your global aesthetic when you could avoid them so easiely, I can't understand why ;w; Applicable to this and the previous point: I looked around the map and I did agree with some patterns that could be better arranged in both ways. Other than that I think everything else is ok. if it's not you can be more specific and why
I don't think I would icon that in that state, it can be much cleaner than that. Sorry but hope it helped. thanks babe

Mukyu~

@Nyukai if you see it's too much trouble you can delete the diff

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Nyukai

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Nyukai 2017-05-24T07:52:52+00:00

Nozhomi wrote:
So hmmm I just took a quick look.

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So I want to say than all your intro where you increasing spacing is just wrong. First, the music gain no intensity whatsoever, and if you look at your gders who did Extra / Insane, you can see they didn't do that for that reason, so that make your version even more weird. The problem is that I thought my diff was going to be the only Insane here, then other diffs came. You might be right, but after checking it with the rest of diffs, I think it's ok. Other diffs made just different jumps, but they are there. I will consider something else in case someone else complains about that.
Your spacing is kinda going crazy and highly inconsistent, just look at 00:17:670 (4,5,1) - and 00:27:772 (5,6,1) - , and you have the perfect example of what is your big problem here, since that's not the only one present. Inconsistent? The first example has correct spacing if I'm not mistaken, but I don't get the problem with adding jumps in some parts. As I said this was supposed to be the only Insane here... but I don't think there's need to nerf it that much.
01:29:711 (2) - I don't think that's 1/6 here. Just put a circle on 01:29:762 - . Sounds pretty much like 1/6 but I agree since it's not 100% accurate, so I fixed.
Normal have a little spacing issue on 01:02:364 (1,2) - Are you sure? I checked and my editor recognizes it as a correct spacing, lol.

I don't think I would icon that in that state, it can be much cleaner than that. Sorry but hope it helped.

Mukyu~

Thanks for your help, I understand your decision.

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