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Weber wrote:
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MZV's Normal
Again, check AIMod for DS issues.
00:02:879 (2) - Would flow better under (1,3) instead of over it. (And also better parallel with 00:04:046 (1,2,3) - for dae aesthetics) its okay as it is rn
00:04:379 (3,1) - Not really a huge fan of the flow issues here because of the direction the cursor has to travel to hit this and then (2), Ctrl-J would be a good fix. not a huge fan of the suggestions,ill keep it
00:34:379 (4,1) - (1) slider appearing before the player can start the (4) slider may confuse them, separating them may be better for players around this level. if used stuff like this before and had no problems
00:55:546 (7) - 00:57:046 (3) - 00:59:713 (3) - 01:02:379 (3) - 01:05:046 (3) - Usage of multiple repeating 1/2 sliders is generally never acceptable for a normal difficulty due to players being unable to tell how many times the slider will repeat, please replace these. instead of telling me to ''remove'' them u could maybe offer me suggestion on how to change it so it doesnt sound shit
01:10:129 (3) - 01:15:463 (3) - These both snap to the blue tick just fine, having a 1/8th tick in itself is pretty bad for normal difficulty players anyway. there a blue tick left and right and i totally know which one u mean rn
01:47:713 (1) - Same as ^.
01:51:046 - You could probably map this section, especially since the Easy difficulty did.^i dont think it adds much value to the map tbh
Good luck!
Mazziv wrote:
00:55:546 (7) - 00:57:046 (3) - 00:59:713 (3) - 01:02:379 (3) - 01:05:046 (3) - Usage of multiple repeating 1/2 sliders is generally never acceptable for a normal difficulty due to players being unable to tell how many times the slider will repeat, please replace these. instead of telling me to ''remove'' them u could maybe offer me suggestion on how to change it so it doesnt sound shit 1/2 sliders would work. i.e. 00:44:879 (7,8) - This could be replaced with https://puu.sh/uHyrV/21e128ded3.png
01:10:129 (3) - 01:15:463 (3) - These both snap to the blue tick just fine, having a 1/8th tick in itself is pretty bad for normal difficulty players anyway. there a blue tick left and right and i totally know which one u mean rn Or you could just assume I meant the closest one, the one perfectly in between 01:09:879 (2,4) - which would've been correct i.e. 01:10:129 -
Weber wrote:
Mazziv wrote:
00:55:546 (7) - 00:57:046 (3) - 00:59:713 (3) - 01:02:379 (3) - 01:05:046 (3) - Usage of multiple repeating 1/2 sliders is generally never acceptable for a normal difficulty due to players being unable to tell how many times the slider will repeat, please replace these. instead of telling me to ''remove'' them u could maybe offer me suggestion on how to change it so it doesnt sound shit 1/2 sliders would work. i.e. 00:44:879 (7,8) - This could be replaced with https://puu.sh/uHyrV/21e128ded3.png i dont think it fits
01:10:129 (3) - 01:15:463 (3) - These both snap to the blue tick just fine, having a 1/8th tick in itself is pretty bad for normal difficulty players anyway. there a blue tick left and right and i totally know which one u mean rn Or you could just assume I meant the closest one, the one perfectly in between 01:09:879 (2,4) - which would've been correct i.e. 01:10:129 - ht will fix
https://puu.sh/uIZ7M/5e3a64dfc9.osu ye hightec boiWeber wrote:
Arphi's Easy Peazy
Check AIMod's for DS issues. raw DS doesnt matter, only visual distance and intuitive rhythm perception
00:33:713 (4,5) - 00:34:713 (1,2) - Having these stacked with different timings is super bad for beginners, replace the (4,5) with a slider to make this less difficult. nah mang who needs sliders thats not how you teach new players to read wtf nah lets add a triangle ye boi
00:57:379 (2) - This would flow way better Ctrl-G'd (also 01:00:046 (5) -) no it wouldnt
01:32:379 (6) - NC here? ye boi done
Thanks Kroytz. <3Kroytz wrote:
00:03:546 (2,3,4,5,6) - Not sure if using a 5 beat stream is the best way to go about this rhythm. Like, the song just started and you had it simple with the 1/2s and then this lonely stream comes along. It wouldve been nice to see this stream repeated nearby to make rhythmical structure but there isn't another one. So it's just kinda lonely. - made kicksliders
00:08:879 (3) - Might sound better if it's the same as 00:07:546 (3) - from rhythm standpoint. - I think it's okay because I want to represent the unique rhythm. I noticed there's actually a beat skipped here, so I changed it in a different way
00:18:046 (3) - This misses a strong emphasis. If you stack the (2) over the (1) then it plays better but you'd probably wanna change how the slider functions in the previous measure so it doesn't become to stale with the movement. - yeah my bad, it should be stacked under (1)
00:20:546 (2,3) - See, this feels better. (3) could be more emphasized imo but not needed.
00:23:546 (5,6) - I get that youre following the extra beats here but it's not a very intuitive thing to play as since its directly in the middle of two 1/4 streams. - You just tap 1/4, they're short enough not to break on unless you fuck up really bad, and they're OD 0 because sliders, so yea
00:27:213 (2) - That noise in the back is so subtle lol, idk about making this SV change /that/ drastic, I wouldn't SV but eh up to you. - true, undid sv
00:45:296 (7) - and this too. It might be better to not make it overcomplicated with this rhythm choice but thats just me. Theyre not 1/4s tho thats for sure. - fixed
01:06:546 (5,6,7) - Interesting rhythm o,o I dont know about how well it plays but its something. - you just click 1/2 so it shouldn't be too bad, but yeah it's... it's something xD
01:17:213 (4) - could remove NC - hmm i think it's fine, follows the nc from the previous measures
01:28:379 (1) - please, why so much central focus. it doesn't let you go venture off around the editor and the patterns in this section are so limiting. This just feels excessive.. - i guess you could call it the concept? It's like.. I see the lead as quite repetitive in terms of pitch so I mapped it in a limiting way. I especially like 01:45:713 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - because it shows how I view this sound pretty much perfectly
01:41:046 (6,7) - spacing here felt bigger than the rest of these little kick to circle things - fixed
Kroytz wrote:
[Ultra]00:01:379 (1) - Would be a cool idea for all the sliders in this section to lower their SV down by maybe .5 since you decrease the overall spacing too. Seems a bit odd to keep the same SV imo cool idea, doing that!
00:24:296 (4,1) - preeeetty big jump there, I don't really like it. I get there's a tiny bit of leniency to hit the slider but the suddenness of trying to jump for that comes outta nowhere (and I dont think the overlap is a good thing either) i think it's p fun to have jumps like these as they give me the emphasis that i wish for. might get some more opinions on it though
00:25:046 (2,3,4,1) - Spacing is too varied here. I see your ideas with following the instruments but it's hardly intuitive to play, consider the player having to adjust the speed 3 times when the music doesn't call for something so drastic. It becomes a bit strange for the player to adjust that way. increased (2,3) to make up for it?
00:26:713 (5,1,2) - Flow is also too sudden here I feel... besides, this overlap 00:26:713 (5) - doesn't visually look all that great mostly cuz the previous objects shared no structure together. keeping this as it is. the flow change being so drastic is what i implied on doing cuz weird sound so weird movement. also idk but the slider follows the same triangular formula of that before
00:34:963 (4,1) - Same thing with the spacing. At least there's no overlaps but it's very uncomfortable to still jump that far same as before
00:35:713 (4,5,6,7) - could have been a perfect square :c
00:37:546 (6,1,2) - This flow isn't very optimal. Maybe try a design like this (http://puu.sh/uKfMH/59b0a1ca3a.jpg) helps the flow and aesthetically looks pleasing sure!
00:56:296 (4,1) - these sections and onwards... im not sure how to comment on them. part of me say they can be okay but another part of me says that the design and pattern creation is lacking... partly because the rhythm and involvement of kick sliders throws things off a bit, and some of the overlaps are not the cleanest. all up until this part 01:07:046 (1) -
I dont know how to provide an alternative if I could even make one but I'm sure there's a more pleasant way to go about structuring your overlap ideas. since currently it feels kind of messy. the section was mainly focussed gameplay-wise which i hope is visible by the constant 10 degree turning. i know the shapes might not be optimal but in this way i wanted to have a little difference since i wanted to have the repeating element going on right now
01:20:824 (1) - Same thing about design here, I'm sure there were more creative ways to express this than by strictly using linear streams. Then again, Im pretty biased so yeh xd na dude my lines are my lines (^:
01:40:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This rhythm doesn't sound very good to the ears ;_; it is in the song tho ):
I can't really point out every little design thing but I think things couldve been a bit smoother since many things currently are quite rigid. This is just general talk and probably holds no weight anyways.
So many diffs... Couldnt even get to the other X's Thanks~
thanks qtC00L wrote:
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Check! - Means it's been checked and nothing wrong has been found
Please ignore my note/slider placement on the timeline, i do that to show make my point more clearer
Red - Indicates that an DQ worthy/Unrankable issue has been foundGeneral
- None of the diffs seem to really take good care of making sections stand out in volumes, some sections are around medium intensity and sound pretty loud so leaving them at 60% is totally fine, whilst some parts like this for example 00:09:713 (1) - is much quieter than the rest of the sections so it should be noticable by decreasing the volumes here, also the 2nd kiai is much more louder than the rest of the sections through out the music so increasing it would be a good idea. will do it sometime later when im not a lazy cunt
Timing
- I'd add 3 onto the offset but w/e nah feels off to me d
Ultra
- 00:39:713 (3,4) - I don't see why these strong sounds would have such low spacing and emphasis when 00:38:379 (3,4) - stuff like this has higher spacing than the stronger sounds. It doesn't really make any sense and it feels weird during gameplay too main gimmick: follow the actual sliders but now in hitcircles! the lower spacing is also a form of emphasis and the notes right now really stand out so i archieved something good
- 00:40:713 (2,3) - also keeping these the same makes no sense since there is a different part of the music here already, yet same pattern is used - _ symmetry
- 01:06:713 (1) - this jump is huge for such a small gap, I would even go far to say this is hella overmapped since the 1/4 gap is not only harder to hit but it's also hard to read if the next sldier here 01:06:713 (1) - is a repeat anyway because of the separation, also the second slider follows wrong rhythm, the correct rhythm should be something like this, the slider is in 1/6 repeats and the blue tick also has a sound that the current form ignores tuned it down a very very little cuz i still wanna keep the jump cuz e m p h a s i s
- 01:17:713 (1) - this section is a transition from one section to 1/3 very quickly to show that more clearly i recommend you NC'ing the first 3 notes in the beat change i.e. these 01:17:713 (1,2,3) -, doing that will ensure that the player actually knows that something different is happening since you're current spacing is too similar to normal 1/4 patterns, making it practically improssible to tell the difference. NC'ing eases that and makes it much more standing out i see ur point but i wanna keep a sorta reading challenge and i dont wanna overpressure with NCs. also i feel like if i only NC the first 3 then i have to NC the others too for patterning consistency. ill get some more opinions for this
Final Words
My overall issue is with the last diff and with yf's Expert with some unrankable issues applied to it, fixing unrankable issues in yf's diff may not be enough but hey, important part is opinion. Apart from those things i adressed myself more in depth where necessary. Good Luck!
https://puu.sh/uKBXA/ff17eb0d21.osuC00L wrote:
Arphimigon's Easy
- 00:13:716 (1) - I don't get why here you use a constant spacing of 0.9x (with the exception of one emphasis spacing) and then after that you move onto 1.1x here 00:24:382 (1) - like the music hasn't really changed that much yet, a more logical thing to do here imo would be to start using 1.1x here 00:35:049 (2) - and until that point use only 0.9x . It would make much more sense. As previously stated, only visible and intuitive spacing is taken into account. 1.1 and 0.9 look fairly the same here and work well to make them seem the same rhythms with the current patterns.
- 00:24:382 (1) - i do understand it's a easy and i get your reasoning behind not making this a 1/3 note to make it not as hard to play, but to be perfectly honest with you you're leaving a player with 1/2 measure for them to react onto the next note, making this 1/3 isn't a huge difference in gameplay they'll still hit it more or less at the same time no matter it's snapping, and besides the difference between a 1/4 and 1/3 note is very small and barelly noticable if such distance is used anyway. Actually, I didnt know it was 1/3, when did I ssay that!? xD k fixed
- 00:34:219 (5,1) - imo this could be done better, doing something like this, would emphasize the drum hits much more rather than spacing them out weirdly, but then yet again there's a very big overlap going on and small box for reaction for the player, so it's up to you. Also why not NC this 00:35:052 (2) - rather than (1) ? didnt change pattern [/color]
- Off screen object - 00:48:379 (3) - although this seems really close to the edge on 1920x1080 it is noticably offscreen on a lower resolution most definetely. If i'm being stupid i'd still move it just a bit up to avoid any problems in the future wat I use lowest res normally (because 7 year old laptop) and its fine and I cant do anything about it
- 00:58:385 (3) - In the next few patterns i'd strongly recommend you not to go above 1.5x to emphasise the stronger beat afterwards, or at least keep a constant DS you want to use to emphasise that beat, right now it's rather scattered all over the place tbh. You know that I'm going to say no to this unless you give any sort of reasonable explanation
- 01:15:052 (1) - the previous note with the stronger beat here 01:09:719 (1) - had much higher spacing than this for example 01:12:385 (1) - therefore do the same on that pattern to keep consistency and make it look less random "I would if I could but I can't so I wont"
- 01:40:385 (5,6,7) - autostacking here messed this up, although you are trying to keep mirror like pattern here with 01:37:719 (1,2,3) - the stacks go to the left a little, so they seem much farther away in the first pattern than in the second one. You could change this for consistency and better emphasis, since the sounds there are almost identical to the first pattern I just moved the middle note
Kroytz wrote:
00:06:213 (1,1) - NC might not be necessary. I get theyre for an aesthetic thing with the slider and drums but might be simpler to not separate NCs I think it's a cool way to indicate the three different rhythms, actually I did this more for playability reasons (to "warn" the player or w/e) than aesthetic reasons lol - tldr i will leave it as it is
00:10:213 (1) - Here too.. but this looks more aesthetic than the previous so im okay with these NCs then we're both okay with it xd
00:59:796 (4) - first blue tick sliders... maybe better as triple with slider, it plays a bit weird with the next slider and coming off as a double. I'm mostly focusing on the slider pattern here 00:59:046 (1,2,4) - so i did that pattern to fit lol, but if someone believes it should still be a triple + slider and have a practical suggestion on how to execute it then I'm eager to change it
01:32:879 (4) - Slider here is better good catch, represents the instrument or whatever that is better as well
01:45:713 (1,2,3) - I expected a repeating pattern of the previous, yknow, like doing 3 sliders here too (it messes up the downbeat stuff but it might be excusable). i guess my english skill and mindset are too low to understand what you mean lmao, I need clarification
Couldn't really find much else to help, a lot of what I saw had to do with overlaps but I didn't want to point them all out since it seemed more like a stylistic choice on the mapper's part. the whole difficulty is based on one slider shape for 1/2 sliders (for most parts atleast) and 0.3x DS overlapped bursts (stacks are sometimes used for playability reasons or a circle + slider with 1/2 distance) so I would have to change 80% of the map if I were to apply your overlap suggestions. just wanted the map to have a cool gimmick y'know (even if repetitive I still think it's pretty cool), so I didn't include your suggestions about those.
Thank you both for modding!C00L wrote:
LCFC's Insane
- 00:13:046 (5,6,7) - you use a stream here 00:13:379 (1,2,3,4) - so i would recommend turning that triple to a 1/4 reverse slider to give the player some rest before the 5 note stream, keep in mind this is only a 4* map so something like that could be a bit too hard for some players. Also doing that would prioritise the sounds here 00:13:046 (5,6,7) - much more since something else is representing them, rather than same usage of patterns (difference being one is stacked one is spaced) but different melodies changed
- 00:27:046 (1) - the sound here is really intense in comparising to 00:26:713 (6) - therefore it should be spaced out more to account for that, currently the sounds on the (1) are being missplayed and practically missed since it's not emphasised properly no one noticed the symmetrical pattern 00:26:046 (2,5,6,1,2,3) - :d I'm kinda hesitant to change it but if it gets brought up again I will
- 00:36:379 (1) - that is pretty huge spacing to emphasise basically a smaller in intensity sound >_ , I'd strongly recommend you to fix this pattern up since (1) is much much less intense than 00:36:046 (4,5) - , either do that by increasing the spacing on (4) and (5) or re-arrange some patterns I made the spacing the same as the circles before as I couldn't work out a better pattern
- 00:41:546 (5,6) - you could space this stream a bit more, to account for the stronger sounds here even bigger spacing could cause abit weird playability for an insane, and potential misses (as DS overlaps are not as lenient as accuracy if they're not aimed perfectly).. yes it's happened to me sadface
- 00:49:296 (5) - there isn't really a sound on this note, the whistly sound starts on the (6) rather than the (4) i would recommend removing it and just making a nice jump onto (6) sure
- 00:55:713 (4) - you could NC this to account for the change in music and a different section coming up, dus isolating the stream and making it easier to read I actually had this NCed when I first mapped it, bugs lol
- 01:08:713 (6) - your NC's here and patterns similar to this are too long imo and could easily be fixed by NC'ing stuff like this here, other examples of possibel NC's according to the music would be 01:11:879 (7) -, 01:14:046 (5) - and 01:17:213 (7) - d
- 01:26:713 (5) - again you could NC this for emphasis on the music ok
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Arphimigon wrote:
You know that I'm going to say no to this unless you give any sort of reasonable explanation
@HighTec don't forget my .osu is still above zzRoger06150 wrote:
LCFC's InsaneSorry that this mod is so small and so incomplete but I'm still pretty bad, I hope he has helped you, good luck for ranking. ^^ Ah, and by the way, the song is beautiful. ;D
- 00:34:379 (1,2,3,4) - Improve that. Was done like that for emphasis reasons, you see, the instrument goes from a higher pitch to a lower pitch, and so does the spacing of the burst.
Definitely not a worry! Every suggestion helps! The only advice I can give you is that you should explain why you think something should be improved / fixed and suggest ways to do so. Good luck on your future modding (:
C00L wrote:
Mir's Light Extra
- 00:34:213 (5) - you could NC this for a smaller NC count and also to emphasise the increasing tone in the music - nah I think it's fine, I don't nc for emphasis for the moooost part
- 00:52:046 (4) - why is the spacing so low here, the sounds here are very strong, you only emphasised (5) properly whilst (4) gets the same emphasis as (3) which is meh
- 00:52:713 (3) - here it's even more unclear which sounds are being emphasised, the strong sounds happen at 00:52:713 (3,6,7) - yet you decided to make all of them the same spacing making it practically ignored. I strongly recommend chaning these jumps from scratch since right now i don't really see a way to change it without affecting the patterns really much.
00:55:379 (3,10) - you could add NC's to these to keep the combo counter lower than it should be and to emphasise some parts in the music rather than keeping it the same - did things to the before stuff- 00:56:379 (1) - this entire section is odd, either keep spacing high through out all the strong sounds or keep it moderate, right now you went from 00:56:713 (2,3,4,5,6) - this, to this 01:00:046 (4) - the spacing similarities don't exist yet the sounds are very similar to this pattern 00:57:213 (5,6) - little sound intensity difference, yet there is a huge impact in the DS way and visual spacing. The first part of the section feels much more intense and you can actually feel the music standing out during gameplay than the rest of the section. 01:03:379 (3,4) - stuff like that too isn't emphasised and just doesn't stand out at all. - I think I fixed it, increased spacing on the notes you pointed out along with some other changes in placement
- 01:37:046 (7) - you could NC this note to account for the stronger rhythms - not really consistent and I don't think it's a big deal, I'm not using nc emphasis for this map
^ Denied because it would be too awkward to play in a section that already demands a lot of tappingRoger06150 wrote:
MIR's Light Extra
- 01:08:629 (4) - Remove this circle.
- 01:08:796 - Set a circle here.
Thanks for the mod!C00L wrote:
Damnjelly's Soaring
- 00:06:213 (6,11) - NC each of these, the combo count is very high after the first pattern which is really unnecessary since the 1/4 slider jumps are stricly still going on a 1/4 beat anywya towards the next stream making a NC makes it stand out and eveyr slider jump you get more hp back so if you missed on one of them you woudn't be instantly dead, whilst if it was constant combo counter it's harder to survive on that combo counter Agreed, changed it.
- 00:13:713 (1) - this slider shape might as well be a straight slider, since that sort of angle to end it is pretty ugly imo, also the overlap is very unnecessary it could be easily avoidable in the current state. Yeah it looks kinda awkward, changed it.
- 00:21:713 (10) - you could NC this except of this 00:22:046 (1) - since that's where the downbeat happens. Keep in mind that NC's are always good to put on big white ticks (start of a new measure) since that is usually where the song has a slight noticable change and the downbeat is present usually there as well. Keeping that a consistent thing across the whole map usually gets rid of all problems involving NC's. Agreed, changed it.
- 00:23:379 (1) - the stream actually starts here on the beginning on the sldier, if you listen closely you can hear that during the first slider of yours you are missing the 1/4 beats that are actually part of the same section these are 00:23:629 (2) - , i strongly recommend you start the stream on (1) since that way you won't be missing any relavant sounds and therefore making it better whilst gameplay. What a silly mistake, i fixed it.
- 00:47:379 (4,5,6,7) - keeping such high spacing during music sections without any stronger sounds is really bad, for example comparing this 00:50:379 (4,5,6) - to the pattern i linked shows a huge difference in spacing and emphasis, yet the second pattern has much much more stronger sounds and the first just has faint background noises, Stuff like this is called overmapping without any reasoning behind it, you're just keeping the same spacing constant because you felt like it fits I'm guessing. Yet you should control your spacing and pattern usage more thought out, since stuff like that is very noticable and strongly picked on recently, more examples like 00:54:379 (3,4,5,6,7) - also use very high spacing mapped to ok strong sounds i guess, this would be ok if not 00:56:713 (1,2,3,4) - literally 3x stronger than the entire pentagon jump that you mapped yet spacing is noticably smaller, which makes it look very bad and under emphasised I personally feel that the spacing is in line with the difficulty of the map and the intensity of the song. the section after 00:35:046 is harder than the sections before it, just like the song is more intens in that section compared to the last sections. However, i do think that there were some outliers of this rule that were clearly over or underemphasised, like the ones you have pointed out (00:50:379 (4,5,6) - 00:39:713 (4,5,6) - and the pentagon). I changed those accordingly
- 00:58:713 (3,4) - between these 2 notes you're missing 2 strong drum hits on the blue ticks, juding you like mapping streams you can map some here too like a reverse slider or just adding circles to the current pattern
- During this entire section from 00:56:379 - to 01:07:046 - you are prioritisng a lot of 1/2 beats over the 1/4 beats pay close attention to that since that's extreme undermapping and just mapping jumps so that they're there. I feel like adressing these two bulletpoints in one since i can't hear any difference between the strong blue ticks from 00:58:713 - compared to the ones from 01:01:379 - and some other ones later on in the kiai, and i don't know what other 1/4 beats i could be ignoring.
I agree with your statement that i ignored a little too many 1/4 beats. I wanted to keep this section clear to read since it's already difficult to aim and tap, adding also a reading challenge with sliders in there seemed a bit too much for me. But this ignored too much of the song so i will change the parts that have 1/4 beats to sliderjumps.- 01:28:379 (2,3,4) - stuff like this kills off any emphasis you were building up until this point zz
I wanted it to be an anticipation of the jumps coming after. I talked with hightec about it, and he suggested to make them smaller jumps, it's a bit of a meeting in the middle on this suggestion.
Pay close attention to rhythm, overall placement and maps emphasis points. Current status of the map seems done quickly and without any deep thought gone into it, not trying to sound rude in any way here just firing my thoughts. The stuff I mentioned above applies to more or less not only on that one timestamp but could probably account for more than one spot in the music. For example the jumping emphasis or missing rhythm out in sections. The only thing i can suggest here is a strong remap with either one of your more experienced friends or with Hightec's inputs on the overall emphasis and map in general. Unless you can change a lot of stuff without touching the main beat... As it stands right now, i don't see this gettting close to being ranked. d
Thanks for the mod!Roger06150 wrote:
Damnjelly's Soaring
- 00:13:713 - Why a kiai time here ? Removed the kiai so the map is more consistent with the mapset.
- 00:21:046 - NC No, that wouldn't be consistent with 00:15:713 (5) - and 00:18:379 (5) -
- 00:24:379 - Why a kiai time here ? Removed the kiai so the map is more consistent with the mapset.
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Kroytz wrote:
Kujinn00:09:130 (1,2) - eh, this is not needed. adding a beat on white can help you though.
00:23:963 - This beat gets overlooked and there's that sound in the background that can also be captured. Not sure how to do it but something to consider maybe. understandable, but its pretty obvious what sound I'm mapping to, which makes the way it currently is ok.
00:29:713 (1,2,3) - dunno how to feel about these since they're only used once. the density adds a lot of intensity on a part of the music that isn't more intense than what was previously mapped. I'd simplify these
00:45:046 (1) - Is really undermapped (and doesn't need the NC). You could do 1/2 slider and then a triple on the following white tick and that could work better.
00:46:713 (4,1,2) - blanket >>
01:26:546 (5,1) - overlap feels kinda sloppy here
Really nice diff wow. I think there might be some NC things to look out for but since you use your own internal rhythms and patterns they might be excusable.
C00L wrote:
Kujinn's Hard
- 00:01:379 - what is this green line for ;o
- 00:45:046 (1) - this NC is kind useless it doesn't really give any feedback and nothing has changed that much, i'd say remove
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Fixed everything and redid some spacing. Most of the stacks are for movement emphasis but you're right, the beginning is very inconsistent - so I went and fixed that.Celektus wrote:
[Mir's Light Extra]
The way stacks work on your map I think is either too confusing for me or really inconsistent.
I don't understand when sounds are being stacked and when not it doesn't seem to be related to spacing too much and neither rhythm or specific ticks.
For example there is this one part in the song where you have the same Bass sound 4 time but 2 are stacked while the other 2 aren't 00:14:213 (3,4,5,6) -
it's also not for the Bass exclusively on sliders this is pretty much the same pattern but what is stacked is swapped 00:22:213 (2,3,4,5) -
here it's on 2 percussion sounds 00:15:046 (1,2) - 00:17:713 (1,2) - those indicate fills which would kind of make sense, but the ones on the basses puzzles me
you also then represent the same pattern of the Bass in multiple ways of handling rhythm 00:16:879 (2,3,4,5) -
the stacks on bass sound make the spacing emphasis of this so weird in conjunction with the changes in rhythm choice
- this Snares have no Hitsounds 00:14:713 (5) - 00:17:213 (4) - 00:20:046 (6) -
I think 3 are enough to think this might be happening more often so look through the map for more missing Hitsounds (not just Snares maybe)- why? are these jumps bigger than the others in that pattern 00:35:546 (3,4,5) - in my opinion these are the only strong sounds that should be jumped into 00:36:046 (6,7) -
besides maybe these 2 Snares 00:35:379 (2,6) - I imaging that you can problably juts ctrl + G some of these and get spacing that emphasizes the strong sounds the way you want.
and If you have a specific idea behinde why those please explain why and why it can disregard my suggestion.
you have a similar thing with Snares here 00:40:713 (3,6) - what concerns me is more why some jumps are bigger rather than why certain sounds aren't big
you have lot of spacing errors as far as I can tell and the design concept of them map in my opinion doesn't justifie that enough.
I would concider remapping to fix all errors from the ground up or even if you have a concept make it clearer.
This is just my persective and maybe I'm just dumb and don't see what you actully follow with spacing, but if you think I'm wrong please explain o.o
... also the after the first and especially the 2nd kiai spacing seems to be mostly correct?!?- also it seems like you could be using the playfields space better click this especially the bottom corners don't have much
and the intro has a few places in the middile where patterns overlapp a lot. the reason you should do that is to not emphasize anything unecessarly
Celektus wrote:
[LCFC's Insane]
- I think you could change the rhythm in a way that would emphasize the Bass on the slider end of 2 00:18:046 (2,3) - no need because I wanted to emphasize the drums here, i think emphasizing more would just end in a jump spam and I do not want to use an object density of an extra here.
same here 00:26:046 (2,4) - ^^- I would reduce the spacing of this pattern here since it's a very calm moment 00:06:213 (1,2,3) -
to make clearer which jumps 00:06:046 (2,1) - and 00:06:546 (3,1) - a bit subjective tho it's gradually decreased between the three sliders- this jump should be smaller I'd say 00:19:546 (4,5) - since it doesn't have a strong sound being jumped into fixed
maybe this one too 00:19:213 (2,3) - since so far the Snare hasn't been a strong sound being jumped too in this section.
that is more subjective maybe since there is like a weird held sound inbetween or something and it also just plays better like this.
It might fit visually to have both moved if you agree with the first point kept it the same because of the distinct sound
I also would make the jumps a bit bigger to enhance contrast between spacing i think the spacing is fine as it is- why is this 00:19:713 (5,6) - smaller than this? 00:20:046 (6,7) - pattern is changed because of your above suggestion so
- this is not very sharp 00:36:046 (4,5,1) - but this is 00:37:046 (4,5,6,1) - and also this 00:35:546 (2,3,4,5) -
I would suggest to ctrl + H this 00:36:379 (1) - and adjusting it's position or of the following objects.
unless you have a reason for them being wide and not sharp
you have a similar thing here 00:41:046 (3,4,5) - there's no any certain reason for the jumps to be wide or sharp, only did it for more cleaniness or when I was out of ideas for jumps or because I wanted variety- I would reduce the spacing of this 00:40:879 (2,3) - since it's not a really strong sound being jumped into.
That would also give better contrast for this 00:41:379 (4,5) - since that one goes into a lead honestly tbh this was done for aesthetic purposes lol - fixed in other way.
on that note I noticed that you seem to have bigger spacing out of anti jumps ( those 00:13:713 (1,2) - ) often,
even though the sound that has slightly bigger spacing into often isn't a strong sound. i failed to understand
this for example is fine 00:14:213 (2,3) - but then at places like this 00:27:963 (5,6,1,2) - it gets kinda noticeable.
In that case is a kick drum being jumped to which makes it slightly more justified,
but I still think the kick should have bigger spacing since there wasn't an spacing emphasis on it so far. but it's a kick??
this is just wrong 00:35:046 (1,2,3,4) - 2 into 3 is noticeably bigger than 3 into 4,
while 4 is a Lead sound and 3 a slider into the direction of 4 with nothing really special on it. look out for spacing like that and adjust it ok- this jump should be smaller 00:46:879 (5,1) - than this one 00:46:713 (4,5) - because 4 and 5 are lead sounds changed
- that's a pretty big jumps that has no Lead on it 00:48:213 (7,1) - you should reduce spacing here probably changing to a nc so that can be excused, also done for cleaniness reasons
- why do you expand spacing here? 01:23:046 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - i want the pattern to get gradually "harder" on purpose as this section in the song is pretty unique and giving the player the feel of a gradual intensity increase feels good
- this jump 01:27:879 (4,5) - shouldn't be bigger than this one 01:27:713 (3,4) -
at least when keeping in mind that the Snare so far wasn't emphasized as much. So either emphasize the Snare always more or just don't.
since this is a not as high SR Insane it would make more sense not to especially since that in my opinion only makes sense with overall bigger spacing and thus higher SR. the snare wasn't emphasized so far because in the previous sections it usually overlapped on sliderends so how where I supposed to emphasize it? as now I can follow both the melody of the song and the drums simultaneously, why shouldn't I do it?- this triple looks different from most triples in the whole song 01:41:046 (3,4,5) - I think that's a bit inconsistent
and not special enough as a pattern to indicated the change in the song correctly I's say, but not map breaking. You could just copy a old one made into a reverse
also the jump out of it has a kinda uncomfortable looking angle 01:41:213 (5,6) - I would either make it sharper or follow the direction of the triple better changed the above so- I think that jump is a bit too big 01:45:379 (5,1) - I don't.
thanks for modding!
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136,207,111046,6,0,B|187:222|232:182|232:182|277:205|277:205|320:162|384:178,2,270,12|12|12,1:0|1:0|1:0,0:0:0:0:
LowComboFC wrote:
Celektus wrote:
[LCFC's Insane]
- I think you could change the rhythm in a way that would emphasize the Bass on the slider end of 2 00:18:046 (2,3) - no need because I wanted to emphasize the drums here, i think emphasizing more would just end in a jump spam and I do not want to use an object density of an extra here.
same here 00:26:046 (2,4) - ^^
My suggestion was more about emphasis through slider heads than spacing. like the Head of 1 has that special Snare on it's head while 2 only has a normal one 00:17:713 (1,2) - and so far the Bass was (or should) rather on the slider heads than the normal Snare.
You could solve this without having too high rhythm density by making sure what should be on slider ends or not. if you still disagree please try and explain why my suggestion is either worse or not implement able specifically.- this is not very sharp 00:36:046 (4,5,1) - but this is 00:37:046 (4,5,6,1) - and also this 00:35:546 (2,3,4,5) -
I would suggest to ctrl + H this 00:36:379 (1) - and adjusting it's position or of the following objects.
unless you have a reason for them being wide and not sharp
you have a similar thing here 00:41:046 (3,4,5) - there's no any certain reason for the jumps to be wide or sharp, only did it for more cleaniness or when I was out of ideas for jumps or because I wanted variety
I think it does have different flow and could be changed without disregarding your visuals.- I would reduce the spacing of this 00:40:879 (2,3) - since it's not a really strong sound being jumped into.
That would also give better contrast for this 00:41:379 (4,5) - since that one goes into a lead honestly tbh this was done for aesthetic purposes lol - fixed in other way.
on that note I noticed that you seem to have bigger spacing out of anti jumps ( those 00:13:713 (1,2) - ) often,
even though the sound that has slightly bigger spacing into often isn't a strong sound. i failed to understand
I pointed out what an anti jump in my opinion is here, that pattern is totally fine and was just a demonstration
this for example is fine 00:14:213 (2,3) - but then at places like this 00:27:963 (5,6,1,2) - it gets kinda noticeable.
In that case is a kick drum being jumped to which makes it slightly more justified,
but I still think the kick should have bigger spacing since there wasn't an spacing emphasis on it so far. but it's a kick??
those 2 were examples of good and questionable execution.
the questionable thing with the kick is that this 00:28:379 (1) - is not a strong sound but it has kinda bigger than normal spacing aka it could be smaller.
you could also ctrl + G 6 and 1 and then make a triangle, but 6 being an anti jump is fine too I just thought that might be a good suggestion
and since the anti jumps aren't to any specific sound always it wouldn't be inconsistent...
then again that's juts an idea making the jump smaller was my actual point- this jump 01:27:879 (4,5) - shouldn't be bigger than this one 01:27:713 (3,4) -
at least when keeping in mind that the Snare so far wasn't emphasized as much. So either emphasize the Snare always more or just don't.
since this is a not as high SR Insane it would make more sense not to especially since that in my opinion only makes sense with overall bigger spacing and thus higher SR. the snare wasn't emphasized so far because in the previous sections it usually overlapped on sliderends so how where I supposed to emphasize it? as now I can follow both the melody of the song and the drums simultaneously, why shouldn't I do it?
yeah but it's slightly inconsistent and would be better if the Snare always had emphasis or added up with the other strong sounds before. you don't need to reply to this actually since I think it's ok, but maybe stay more consistent with Drum emphasis in future maps
and in case the rhythm of your patterns doesn't allow that here have it in mind on other maps maybe...
I just think do it mostly like that or don't
also I like the 2nd kiai more if because of the drum and lead emphasis combined ^^
thanks for modding!
thanks for replying LUL
tl;dr I will avoid making changes in the cost of redoing and reorganizing patterns in this map. Spacing emphasis in an insane difficulty should be lenient as one can't play too much with it anyway.Celektus wrote:
I just wanted to explain some suggestions further because I thought there might be some misconceptions. Every point I didn't quote is totally fine with meLowComboFC wrote:
[LCFC's Insane]
- I think you could change the rhythm in a way that would emphasize the Bass on the slider end of 2 00:18:046 (2,3) - no need because I wanted to emphasize the drums here, i think emphasizing more would just end in a jump spam and I do not want to use an object density of an extra here.
same here 00:26:046 (2,4) - ^^
My suggestion was more about emphasis through slider heads than spacing. like the Head of 1 has that special Snare on it's head while 2 only has a normal one 00:17:713 (1,2) - and so far the Bass was (or should) rather on the slider heads than the normal Snare.
You could solve this without having too high rhythm density by making sure what should be on slider ends or not. if you still disagree please try and explain why my suggestion is either worse or not implement able specifically. if you would provide a way that doesn't make it a jump spam I'd gladly change it- this is not very sharp 00:36:046 (4,5,1) - but this is 00:37:046 (4,5,6,1) - and also this 00:35:546 (2,3,4,5) -
I would suggest to ctrl + H this 00:36:379 (1) - and adjusting it's position or of the following objects.
unless you have a reason for them being wide and not sharp
you have a similar thing here 00:41:046 (3,4,5) - there's no any certain reason for the jumps to be wide or sharp, only did it for more cleaniness or when I was out of ideas for jumps or because I wanted variety
I think it does have different flow and could be changed without disregarding your visuals. yeah it does. you may also suggest ways to make them the same then, without having to remap a shit ton of stuff otherwise I will leave it as it is because not all jumps need to follow the exact same movement, variety is nice in a repetitive song such as this.- I would reduce the spacing of this 00:40:879 (2,3) - since it's not a really strong sound being jumped into.
That would also give better contrast for this 00:41:379 (4,5) - since that one goes into a lead honestly tbh this was done for aesthetic purposes lol - fixed in other way.
on that note I noticed that you seem to have bigger spacing out of anti jumps ( those 00:13:713 (1,2) - ) often,
even though the sound that has slightly bigger spacing into often isn't a strong sound. i failed to understand
I pointed out what an anti jump in my opinion is here, that pattern is totally fine and was just a demonstration i cant england
this for example is fine 00:14:213 (2,3) - but then at places like this 00:27:963 (5,6,1,2) - it gets kinda noticeable.
In that case is a kick drum being jumped to which makes it slightly more justified,
but I still think the kick should have bigger spacing since there wasn't an spacing emphasis on it so far. but it's a kick??
those 2 were examples of good and questionable execution.
the questionable thing with the kick is that this 00:28:379 (1) - is not a strong sound but it has kinda bigger than normal spacing aka it could be smaller.
you could also ctrl + G 6 and 1 and then make a triangle, but 6 being an anti jump is fine too I just thought that might be a good suggestion
and since the anti jumps aren't to any specific sound always it wouldn't be inconsistent...
then again that's juts an idea making the jump smaller was my actual point honestly I think it's fine as it is- this jump 01:27:879 (4,5) - shouldn't be bigger than this one 01:27:713 (3,4) -
at least when keeping in mind that the Snare so far wasn't emphasized as much. So either emphasize the Snare always more or just don't.
since this is a not as high SR Insane it would make more sense not to especially since that in my opinion only makes sense with overall bigger spacing and thus higher SR. the snare wasn't emphasized so far because in the previous sections it usually overlapped on sliderends so how where I supposed to emphasize it? as now I can follow both the melody of the song and the drums simultaneously, why shouldn't I do it?
yeah but it's slightly inconsistent and would be better if the Snare always had emphasis or added up with the other strong sounds before. you don't need to reply to this actually since I think it's ok, but maybe stay more consistent with Drum emphasis in future maps
and in case the rhythm of your patterns doesn't allow that here have it in mind on other maps maybe...
I just think do it mostly like that or don't
also I like the 2nd kiai more if because of the drum and lead emphasis combined ^^
I chose these rhythms because I felt like using these rhythms, it is definitely not my fault if they hide the drums, this is a complex song to map an insane from, whereas the spacing emphasis may be lenient if you want it to actually not be too bland while not making it too hard either. I might be saying gibberish right now but the map itself is old so I guess I'm quite better in handling rhythms now. nevertheless I will not be remapping this because like I said spacing emphasis is usually lenient on insanes
thanks for modding!
thanks for replying LUL thanks for replying to the reply (:
Anything that I didnt reply to I changed (except the hitsoundy thingy up top)Celektus wrote:
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- the map has no hitsounds, but I told HighTec already so he might've fixed it already
Added my own in. However my particular style of hitsounding seems to not really be "fit for ranking" so lets see how that goes- the first slider of these always has a not as high pitched lead sound to me 01:07:046 (1,2,3) - so I think the pattern could focus more on that lead. No reasonable way to practically do that
in case you don't like the upper suggestion maybe make this a repeat 01:24:824 (6) - since it would then end on the last Snare and indicate the fill slightly.
I like the no-tapping transition from one rhythmic section to the next with a slight show of it happening beforehand, the extra repeat/note ruins it for me- I think it's a bit of a difficulty spike to have 2 stacked circles here 01:37:713 (1,2) - since you only had stacks with 2 objects so far in the song example: 00:02:713 (2,3) -
so it would break the expectations of easy players you've established so far. there should be fairly easy solutions to this like making triangles out of the stacks This... is not tricky even for an easy player. What WOULD be tricky is the suggestion you gave me- I think this pattern could have more diverse rhythm that could fit the repetition of the Lead better 01:45:713 (3,4,5,6) -
the head of 3, end of 4 and head of 6 all have slightly stronger sounds 01:45:713 (3,4,6) - Sorry, too much complication for me, it's super dense enough here as it is
Celektus wrote:
[Ultra]
the spacing in this has not enough contrast I think overall. you have a lot of jumps that look pretty much like the same spacing per section.
that isn't necessarly bad, but I think you did actually try to incorporate spacing emphasis
and thus having not enough contrast between jump and not jump spacing is creating inconsistencies
so try and increase contrast in your spacing a bit and make clear what sounds are being jumped to
also I think you could use the playfiled better.
Having too much overlapping on the playfiled can cause unwanted emphasis and it's overall considered better looking to fully use it.
like you can se here: click this... especially your left and right side could have more objects placed there.
one thing that you should keep in mind is that you do have wanted emphasis by overlapping patterns,
so it would problemlos be good to have those overlapp with nothing else unwanted
i dont rly think that emphasising every individual sound with spacing would work well on this song. given the heavy amount of sounds that the song provides, giving every sound an individual jump/emphasise sounds differently it'd make up for a complete mess of the map and unreasonable patterning and it'd make the map unplayable. none of the sections also line up regarding spacing cause i want each section in the music to be different from the rest.
for your wondering, 00:56:379 - has the same patterning all the time again cuz the main melody keeps repeating itself. giving every note emphasis here would create for the same problem as with the rest of the map
- that's a bit overdone I think 00:35:713 (4,5,6,7) - the follwoing jumps might also be that big,
but I think 90° angles combined with it being 4 notes after eachother could be nerfed i think its a good lead into what i want of the player- the diff mostly has no sound specific spacing so far so having spacing this small is really unintuitive 00:42:379 (3,4) - small spacing is also a form of emphasis and given that the player now has to stop so the emphasis rly works nicely
@HighTecCelektus wrote:
[LCFC's Insane]
- I think you could change the rhythm in a way that would emphasize the Bass on the slider end of 2 00:18:046 (2,3) -
Ctrl + G 00:18:046 (2,3) - then overlap 3 over 2 and overlap with one of these 00:17:046 (3,4,5) - preferably the slider end
the only thing I'm not sure myself is where to move 2 honestly since the the Overlap might be shit
same here 00:26:046 (2,4) - Ctrl + G the whole pattern, then Ctrl + H (maybe J) and move it in place. that way both the Sliderend and head are the same equally strong sounds- this is not very sharp 00:36:046 (4,5,1) - but this is 00:37:046 (4,5,6,1) - and also this 00:35:546 (2,3,4,5) -
I would suggest to ctrl + H this 00:36:379 (1) - and adjusting it's position or of the following objects.
unless you have a reason for them being wide and not sharp
like this? I used Ctrl + G on the slider and overlapped it in a way you often do in the map.
You can also try to overlap it slightly different to have correct spacing. 5 - 1 being short and maybe 1 blanketing 4 (no slider shape changed needed)
you have a similar thing here 00:41:046 (3,4,5) - I think I'm retarded because I don't get that suggestion from myself anymore tbh xD
but I assume I could suggest something that might be better
thissss <---- Disclaimer lower AR
All of Arphimigon's stuff seems kinda fine so I won't reply to himHighTec wrote:
Celektus wrote:
[Ultra]
the spacing in this has not enough contrast I think overall. you have a lot of jumps that look pretty much like the same spacing per section.
that isn't necessarly bad, but I think you did actually try to incorporate spacing emphasis
and thus having not enough contrast between jump and not jump spacing is creating inconsistencies
so try and increase contrast in your spacing a bit and make clear what sounds are being jumped to
also I think you could use the playfiled better.
Having too much overlapping on the playfiled can cause unwanted emphasis and it's overall considered better looking to fully use it.
like you can se here: click this... especially your left and right side could have more objects placed there.
one thing that you should keep in mind is that you do have wanted emphasis by overlapping patterns,
so it would problemlos be good to have those overlapp with nothing else unwanted
i dont rly think that emphasising every individual sound with spacing would work well on this song. given the heavy amount of sounds that the song provides, giving every sound an individual jump/emphasise sounds differently it'd make up for a complete mess of the map and unreasonable patterning and it'd make the map unplayable. none of the sections also line up regarding spacing cause i want each section in the music to be different from the rest.
like I said about the spacing being mostly the same "isn't necessary bad", but I think a lot of spacing looked like it had inconsistent differences in size. If that's not supposed to be the case at all then I guess it's ok, but I still think the spacing seemed a bit inconsistent to me.
for your wondering, 00:56:379 - has the same patterning all the time again cuz the main melody keeps repeating itself. giving every note emphasis here would create for the same problem as with the rest of the map
- the diff mostly has no sound specific spacing so far so having spacing this small is really unintuitive 00:42:379 (3,4) - small spacing is also a form of emphasis and given that the player now has to stop so the emphasis rly works nicely
but it's the only time you use it In nearly the entire map
You only introduce it here first and don't use it that much more. 00:52:046 (4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
Didn't you just make point that you wanted to have not as much object based spacing? what I essentially mean is that this pretty much should be a concept you either use more in a map and introduce it early on in a good way or don't use at all. like I said it's only there in a few placesfeedbackNEVER JUDGE A MAP BASED ON WHAT THEY USE IN THE PLAYING FIELD. i get that it's a good indicator but dont assume things just off of you pressing ctrl+a
try to see more what the mapper tried to do in the song other than just your opinion. i know being subjective is important, however it should be done to an extend. if a mapper tries to do something try to come up with the reason why first before asking it. 90% of the times you can predict their answer that way and so you know what's important to mention and what not.
thx for the Feedback, but I will still use that method from time to time especially if I see emphasis through repeated placements
like you did.
It's good to hear that tho since most people around me tell me that and I didn't know it might give a bad impression. :thinking:
fixed some spacing inconsistencies that i scouted out myself
thanks ~~
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thanks for the modCelektus wrote:
[MZV's Advanced]
your diff is visually very inconsistent. you have a lot of different slider angles, shapes and curves.
let me explain it by saying these 2 are essentially the same shape overall 00:03:046 (3,3) - but both have different curvatures (I know they are red but I'll still say curvature)
you should essentially make these both a copy of each other. i can copy paste everything but i dont think it would change anything
another thing are the angles, you pretty much go from 90° vertical 00:07:046 (3,3) - to 20° ish 00:09:713 (3,4,5,6) - to 90° horizontal 00:11:713 (1) - within the same section
what ends up happening is that you have so many different concepts that represent essentially similar things in the song that nothing becomes recognizable as a pattern
which then also affects reading by making the patterns less intuitive i lowkey agree on this but: 90 degree is my mapping style so you see this shit in most of my maps and the 20 degree change was obviously because the music changed
the last thing about this is that too many different "basic" shapes take away contrast. Essentially when every slider is new and special no slider really sticks out
if every slider is a tilted copy of each other patterns become recognizable
and when then after let's say 8 normal copied sliders a special one appears it will stick out a lot and possibly make a hard to read change in the song clearly recognizable. i dont like copy/paste so i do everything different and since its not a major thing i cant really see a problem here other than subjective aesthetics
In case all that lecturing was annoying
tl;dr copy more sliders, keep angles similar... and also maybe ask about slider art advice or try out more
there are also problems with rhythm emphasis by having strong sounds on slider ends while the head has a weaker sound in comparison
which makes rhythm unintuitiv to play. oh okay well if you just tell me its bad i can surely fix it,thanks
if that was all annoying and mean pls don't hate me I'm just trying to halp yoo. ;__;
you will probably need to remap this, if you'd like some help ask me maybe and don't take it to harsh
Mazziv wrote:
thanks for the modCelektus wrote:
[MZV's Advanced]
your diff is visually very inconsistent. you have a lot of different slider angles, shapes and curves.
another thing are the angles, you pretty much go from 90° vertical 00:07:046 (3,3) - to 20° ish 00:09:713 (3,4,5,6) - to 90° horizontal 00:11:713 (1) - within the same section
what ends up happening is that you have so many different concepts that represent essentially similar things in the song that nothing becomes recognizable as a pattern
which then also affects reading by making the patterns less intuitive i lowkey agree on this but: 90 degree is my mapping style so you see this shit in most of my maps and the 20 degree change was obviously because the music changed
just to be clear no angle is "bad". My point was that you don't use angles consistently enough and thus make more special changes in the song like fills stand out less. There are special sliders on fills and stuff like that, but also in a lot of other places.
the last thing about this is that too many different "basic" shapes take away contrast. Essentially when every slider is new and special no slider really sticks out
if every slider is a tilted copy of each other patterns become recognizable
and when then after let's say 8 normal copied sliders a special one appears it will stick out a lot and possibly make a hard to read change in the song clearly recognizable. i dont like copy/paste so i do everything different and since its not a major thing i cant really see a problem here other than subjective aesthetics
well you can map without copy past probably same goes for the rotation tool, but you still can be more consistent about angles and shapes
In case all that lecturing was annoying
tl;dr copy more sliders, keep angles similar... and also maybe ask about slider art advice or try out more
there are also problems with rhythm emphasis by having strong sounds on slider ends while the head has a weaker sound in comparison
which makes rhythm unintuitiv to play. oh okay well if you just tell me its bad i can surely fix it,thanks
I gave reasoning for most of my suggestions on the overall inconsistency of your visuals in my opinion. Since I suggested remapping I thought pointing out anything about the rhythm would just take away focus. Also other than the visuals I didn't had many gripes with the map.
if that was all annoying and mean pls don't hate me I'm just trying to halp yoo. ;__;
you will probably need to remap this, if you'd like some help ask me maybe and don't take it to harsh