1. 00:20:933 (1) - Starting with this in Normal is kinda awkward to new players, this is the lowest diff in set, so it must be very easy ( at least at the beginning of the map ), I recommend you make 1/2 slider
   
2. 00:20:933 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Maybe it's just me, but it feels like these sliders are not well placed: 00:21:539 (2,3,4) - This feels kinda meh, 00:23:357 (1,2) - This is a new part in the song and you NCed first slider, then why are they similar to 00:22:751 (4) - ? 00:23:963 (2,3,4) - Feels like you were out of free space, maybe try this https://puu.sh/vuZkF/47e4f51b23.png ? It feels more structured after all
   
3. 00:26:993 (3,4) - I feel like circle at 00:27:599 - would fit much better

1. 00:21:539 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - There is no change in song, but you mapped it differently, though I like second part more, because these overlaps and long identical sliders kinda meh
   
2. 00:33:054 (1,2,3) - I would prefer this rhythm here: https://puu.sh/vv0iO/ef41363649.png
   
3. 00:38:205 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Music changing not here 00:39:114 (1) - but here 00:39:417 (2) - there are pitches in background that you can cleraly hear, I would put emphasize on this slider, not on 00:39:114 (1) - ( I would NC it and break flow a bit )
   
4. 01:06:387 (3) - Why not 1/3 repeat slider? It's ok for hard
   
5. 01:40:933 (1,2,3,4) - If you want to form a square you should start doing it from 01:40:933 (1) -

1. 00:23:357 (2) - Is should have much more spacing, like ~1,89 to make a triangle with 00:22:751 (1,2,3) -
   
2. 00:29:417 (1,2,3) - You mapped these like they all have similar sounds, but that's not right: 00:29:721 (3) - is clearly the strongest drum here, so put emphasize on it, give it more spacing!
   
3. 00:33:054 (1,2,3) - Try this, maybe you will like it! https://puu.sh/vv0So/e172bb4d1e.png
   
4. 00:39:417 (1,2,3) - wow you emphasized it right in this diff lol
   
5. 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Feels reeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaly boring, it goes round and round, similar straight sliders... Make it more interesting, at least add some more than one curves, maybe red points-curves?
   
6. 00:47:599 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - I would map it like this to emphasize these pitch sounds, try it https://puu.sh/vv1d5/1895f896eb.png
   
7. 01:08:054 (1) - More spacing
   
8. 01:41:842 (2,3,4,5,1) - wow wow reduce spacing, it is too much in compare with your previous spacings on jumps

1. 00:29:417 (1,2,3) - Same as in Insane

Mitkoff wrote:

Hello
Nm from q

[General]
cursor did't fit your skin imo
i'd use smthig more default like https://puu.sh/vtALD.rar sadly i lost blue variation... edit: i found it https://puu.sh/vtB3Z.rar (wthout "middle")
byt i guess it's too personal ehhh i like my cursor better

Your D2:finish is kinda too agressive
I lower it a bit , suggest to test:
1) https://puu.sh/vtxeQ.wav
2) https://puu.sh/vtxfw.wav <- this one imo better using this one

and add your slider-post to description as box, at least make reference, maybe someone finds this kind of stuff interesting, like me

[Normal]
00:35:478 (1) - red point to x200 y227 nope, want to keep the visible turn in the slider to emphasize clap
01:25:478 - There is same sounded beats so map them like stream as 1 big slider fits better https://puu.sh/vtxIj.jpg imo i want to keep emphasis on snare, so more sliders
01:28:205 (5) - ctrl-j for more intuitive visual flow 01:28:205 (5,1) - that messes up flow from 4-5

[Hard]
00:48:357 - suggest to make this beat clicable , because it's guitar based section and this beat is really umporntat as feedback from guitar. Same as 00:48:963 (2) - So: https://puu.sh/vtzv9.jpg should fit music better. And Yep i skipped strong beats like 00:48:811 - i didn't find rhythm which catches guitar and drums in the same time and fits hard diff. Need to focus on 1 thing... i think i have a better idea for rhythm here, ill change it later
00:48:508 (4) -why soft samleset and 00:48:963 (2) - not, for kinda similar samplesets are purely for kickdrum / not kickdrum
00:59:417 (4,5,1,2) - maybe try a bit simply flow ~ https://puu.sh/vtzU6.jpg , You use more tense rhythm than usual, no need to make this pattern harder by flow too great idea, fixed
01:26:993 (2,3) - suggest to use slider like You did before fixed

[Insane]
00:38:508 (3,1) - avoid overlap please these are pretty far so its fine imo
01:23:054 (2,3,4,5) - imo visually bad patten,as flow goes clockwise make sense make curved line of circles too https://puu.sh/vtAvt.jpg i think this is fine
01:29:114 (2,1) - maybe stack? nope, DS
01:41:236 (2,1) - make NC equal as 01:42:145 (1,2) - for visual consistency nope, NC pattern matches up with the top diff

[Hard name i did't remeber it and too lazy to check... lets call it Extra]
01:09:417 (1) - fix wave fixed
01:22:750 (1,2) - if U're cahnhing spacing , so make even triangle like You did 01:19:720 (4,5,6) - <- works much better i need to look at this again
Actually thats all.. Neat and really interesting diff.

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That's it, hope You'll find smthing usefull. thanks for kds <3
GL~

MashaSG wrote:

1/2 M4M mods from your Q

Normal:

1. 00:20:933 (1) - Starting with this in Normal is kinda awkward to new players, this is the lowest diff in set, so it must be very easy ( at least at the beginning of the map ), I recommend you make 1/2 slider ?? that would destroy emphasis on the last cymbal crash
   
2. 00:20:933 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Maybe it's just me, but it feels like these sliders are not well placed: 00:21:539 (2,3,4) - This feels kinda meh that doesnt help lol i think its fine, 00:23:357 (1,2) - This is a new part in the song and you NCed first slider, then why are they similar to 00:22:751 (4) - ? the vocals flow smoothly so that why i used similar patterns. the NC is for the new measure. 00:23:963 (2,3,4) - Feels like you were out of free space, maybe try this https://puu.sh/vuZkF/47e4f51b23.png ? It feels more structured after all making a triangle here doesnt really express anything, especially considering the vocal patterns on every slider is different
   
3. 00:26:993 (3,4) - I feel like circle at 00:27:599 - would fit much better changed to the slider pattern in Hard instead

Everything else is ok

Hard:

1. 00:21:539 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - There is no change in song, but you mapped it differently, though I like second part more, because these overlaps and long identical sliders kinda meh there is a change in song, the slider length is according to where the vocals are
   
2. 00:33:054 (1,2,3) - I would prefer this rhythm here: https://puu.sh/vv0iO/ef41363649.png eh i feel like thats just adding unnecessary difficulty
   
3. 00:38:205 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Music changing not here 00:39:114 (1) - but here 00:39:417 (2) - there are pitches in background that you can cleraly hear, I would put emphasize on this slider, not on 00:39:114 (1) - ( I would NC it and break flow a bit ) fixed
   
4. 01:06:387 (3) - Why not 1/3 repeat slider? It's ok for hard this pattern is slightly different in every diff. Normal has a long slider (but only one red anchor because its too short) this has the double red anchor, insane has the repeats, last diff has 2 sliders
   
5. 01:40:933 (1,2,3,4) - If you want to form a square you should start doing it from 01:40:933 (1) - no, the square is here because of the 1/4 snares

Insane:

1. 00:23:357 (2) - Is should have much more spacing, like ~1,89 to make a triangle with 00:22:751 (1,2,3) - no, there isn't supposed to be a jump here
   
2. 00:29:417 (1,2,3) - You mapped these like they all have similar sounds, but that's not right: 00:29:721 (3) - is clearly the strongest drum here, so put emphasize on it, give it more spacing! fixed
   
3. 00:33:054 (1,2,3) - Try this, maybe you will like it! https://puu.sh/vv0So/e172bb4d1e.png i want to keep the whistle 00:33:660
   
4. 00:39:417 (1,2,3) - wow you emphasized it right in this diff lol yeah
   
5. 00:41:539 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Feels reeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaly boring, it goes round and round, similar straight sliders... Make it more interesting, at least add some more than one curves, maybe red points-curves? this is the calm section, so im only using curves/straight. you can refer to this post i guess p/5871205#p5871205
   
6. 00:47:599 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - I would map it like this to emphasize these pitch sounds, try it https://puu.sh/vv1d5/1895f896eb.png im trying to get drums in too
   
7. 01:08:054 (1) - More spacing fixed
   
8. 01:41:842 (2,3,4,5,1) - wow wow reduce spacing, it is too much in compare with your previous spacings on jumps ?? this is a stream

The Hero's Journey:

1. 00:29:417 (1,2,3) - Same as in Insane fixed

Nice diff!

Good mapset, though I think hardest diff may be much more higher, like something around 5,5* thats a really huge jump from Insane. anyways, my mapping style is pretty much incompatible with an SR so high for this particular song.

Will mod your 2nd map tomorrow ok~

GL!

• 00:34:266 (1) - This is the only time where you put 1/2 slider on every other place had 1/1 slider example 00:30:630 (1,1,1,1,1)
  
  Part from 00:40:327 (1) - to 00:47:599 (1) - i found it actually pretty boring you repeat same thing over and over while on the next part you have exactly the same melody but you mapped every pattern differently which was a lot more fun to play. Would be amazing if you make fue changes in that part too.
  
  01:09:417 (1,4) - Not a perfect stack
  
  01:19:114 (1) - This has to be a slider for the cymbal sound emphasis
  
  01:22:750 (1,2) - Why is this one so much spaced than all the others
  
  You could change some things in it so it doesn't look the same but its a nice diff

• Im actually really triggered on this diff Its a insane diff 3.85*. Its all the same you have some emphasis on every NC and that is it everything else is DS which is really boring for a Insane diff. And I get mad cause there i can t do anything and i cant even mod it properly cause everything is practically the same.
  
  00:51:842 (4) - This one should be straight
  
  00:54:569 (4) - Curve it for the consistency with all the others. Idk if you considered that idea but sliders with clap could be curved and sliders before can be straight.

• Since this is pretty much Normal diff not that much of a hard cause of the star ratio I think OD is a little bit to big I suggest you to nerf it a little bit
  
  00:23:357 (1) - This one can look something like this . Im saying that cause its NC and lets say start of something new and all 3 sliders looking exactly the same is not that nice tho. You will get emphasis and will look nice
  
  00:29:417 (3) - NC
  
  00:48:205 - Why you didn't map this sound that can be a start of a reverse slider or a normal circle. Its a really strong sound which might confuse newbie players if you don t map it cause they can easily miss on it or get a slider brake. They will expect that to be mapped that is the problem.
  
  00:48:811 (1) - Same sound as ^ but this one is mapped
  
  01:41:236 (2,3,4) - Would sound much better if you started with reverse sliders from this place tho

• 00:46:993 (4,2) - Not a perfect stack
  
  00:50:024 (1,2,3) - Why are they all the same. 00:52:448 (1,2,3) - same rhythm over here even the melody is same and you did change them in this part so do the same in the one before it.
  
  Yeah nothing much its easy diff

Invertable wrote:

Late like alot so il give star for that


The hero's journey

• 00:34:266 (1) - This is the only time where you put 1/2 slider on every other place had 1/1 slider example 00:30:630 (1,1,1,1,1) this is the only spot where there's a noticable change in guitar pitch (if you want to argue about here 00:33:281, that would just be weird for rhythm)
  
  Part from 00:40:327 (1) - to 00:47:599 (1) - i found it actually pretty boring you repeat same thing over and over the drum patterns are all the same while on the next part you have exactly the same melody no?? thats guitar but you mapped every pattern differently which was a lot more fun to play. Would be amazing if you make fue changes in that part too. 00:50:024 - this part has different drums too
  
  01:09:417 (1,4) - Not a perfect stack fixed i think
  
  01:19:114 (1) - This has to be a slider for the cymbal sound emphasis no, want to map drums here 01:19:266 (2)
  
  01:22:750 (1,2) - Why is this one so much spaced than all the others fixed
  
  You could change some things in it so it doesn't look the same but its a nice diff

Insane

• Im actually really triggered on this diff Its a insane diff 3.85*. Its all the same you have some emphasis on every NC and that is it everything else is DS which is really boring for a Insane diff. And I get mad cause there i can t do anything and i cant even mod it properly cause everything is practically the same. its supposed to be like that, if i don't do it like that then the emphasis won't be consistent
  
  00:51:842 (4) - This one should be straight pls refer to this post p/5871205#p5871205
  
  00:54:569 (4) - Curve it for the consistency with all the others. Idk if you considered that idea but sliders with clap could be curved and sliders before can be straight. ^

Hard

• Since this is pretty much Normal diff not that much of a hard cause of the star ratio I think OD is a little bit to big I suggest you to nerf it a little bit changed to 5.5
  
  00:23:357 (1) - This one can look something like this . Im saying that cause its NC and lets say start of something new and all 3 sliders looking exactly the same is not that nice tho. You will get emphasis and will look nice fixed
  
  00:29:417 (3) - NC applied to Normal too
  
  00:48:205 - Why you didn't map this sound that can be a start of a reverse slider or a normal circle. Its a really strong sound which might confuse newbie players if you don t map it cause they can easily miss on it or get a slider brake. They will expect that to be mapped that is the problem. i dont want to have this section too dense in rhythm because of the previous section. ill check this again
  
  00:48:811 (1) - Same sound as ^ but this one is mapped ya
  
  01:41:236 (2,3,4) - Would sound much better if you started with reverse sliders from this place tho uuhh youre not really being specific enough here. i won't use double-repeat 1/4 sliders here because those are for Insane (spread), also not using 1/4 sliders in general for stronger impact here 01:42:145 (1,2) in terms of rhythm density

Normal

• 00:46:993 (4,2) - Not a perfect stack looks fine to me
  
  00:50:024 (1,2,3) - Why are they all the same. 00:52:448 (1,2,3) - same rhythm over here even the melody is same and you did change them in this part so do the same in the one before it. 00:50:024 (1,2,3) - has a smooth vocal line with pitch descending, 00:53:660 (3) - noticable pitch increase
  
  Yeah nothing much its easy diff

Sry for being late tho and GL with the map

Monstrata wrote:

The Hero's Journey

00:52:977 (3) - Unnecessary triplet imo. Make it consistent with 00:50:478 (2,3) - . theres drums there, i dont skip drums anywhere in this diff. these are also present in Insane
00:56:614 (3) - Also unnecessary imo... same
01:20:933 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - Use bigger jumps here like what you did with 01:19:720 (4,5,6) - . This section is quite intense imo, reflect that with more difficult movements! rotated these sliders to get bigger jumps 01:21:236 (6) - 01:21:842 (3) - 01:22:448 (6). DS slightly higher than other similar sections 01:11:842 - 01:28:811, but makes up for the easy circular flow i think?

Insane

00:51:690 (2,3,4) - imo, for verse sections, its fine to just stack triplets instead of spacing them. They really make the map seem cleaner too since you don't get as much overlapping visuals. Anyways, I would recommend this change for an Insane diff. You're welcome to keep them on highest diff for the extra challenge of having to aim and move through the triplets. They don't feel super necessary for me too though, so i guess stacking them (and subsequent ones) is a good idea. i only use regular stacks here 00:20:099 (1,2) - and here 01:08:660 (1,2,3) - (both have the same vocal pattern, leading into some important phrase). also if i make the stacking change, i wouldnt really have an excuse to leave the triples in the last kiai part 01:36:084 unstacked (slider-circle-slider stacking just looks really unappealing)
01:00:781 (1,2,3) - Etc... you can keep these i guess. keeping
01:41:236 (2,1) - Make these two one combo, cuz it looks nicer NC wise. Then NC 01:41:842 (2) - again. if i do that then https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8165508 01:41:842 (1,2,3,4) - this combo will only be 1 beat, which i dont want. right now the NC pattern matches that of the highest diff. other alternative: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8165514 (3-beat NC pattern) lmk what you think about this alternative

Hard

01:43:130 - Silence the end. fixed

Normal

01:42:751 (1) - How about using a 1/1 slider then a circle at the end? Always nice to end on a click. if i do that, then the slider will also lose its visual impact since itll be matching with the rest of the 1/1 sliders in this final part 01:36:084 (dont really want to add any extra anchors because the slider is already short)

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You have quite a similar aesthetic to my mapping style haha. This is great. The highest diff plays it a bit safe imo, but I'm sure you'll start experimenting with more spacing changes and jump patterns after this set gets ranked. Call me back for bubble.

Pentori wrote:

sry for taking a while to get to this its k~
[Normal]
00:21:539 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - rhythm gets a bit monotonous here cos you're repeating the same thing, on top of that its more dense than some of the more intense sections 00:30:630 (1,2,3,4,1) . i'd consider replacing some rhythms with 2/1 sliders for variation/less density done
00:29:417 (1) - dont rly think this needs the nc i think its fine, i do similar NC stuff here for every diff. right now it matches Hard.

[Hard]
00:21:539 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - slider head and ends here provide the same hitsound feedback which sounds kinda awful because the sliders are extended to the red ticks. having a different hitsound on the head would be nice would silencing the ends work? or rhythm change? (dont know how to go about rhythm change tho cuz of spread)

[Insane]
01:06:387 (4) - having the slider cover the kick too 01:06:690 - makes the rhythms feel empty here, also given that you have the 1/1 gap directly after. using the 1/3 slider + circle on the white would keep the density more consistent ok
01:41:539 (1) - nc patterning doesnt really work with how u organised this pattern. could switch the ncs here 01:41:539 (1,2) - and remove the one off 01:42:145 (1) fixed

[The Hero's Journey]
01:25:175 (1) - could consider ending the slider on the blue 01:25:402 - so that your clickable rhythms begin with the white tick instead of blue

Yahuri wrote:

[*]01:25:554 (2) - there is nothing inherently wrong with this kind of stream, though it does contradict your rhythm approach in the kiai of having most important sounds clickable, in this case I suggest starting the stream on the white tick it does contradict my rhythm approach, though i think following my rhythm approach for this particular section would detract from gameplay. assuming that the player alternates for streams (lol unless theyre a god) hits 01:25:175 (1) - with their dominant finger, then 01:25:554 (2) - a blue tick, will be hit with their non-dominant finger. so this is basically to prevent gameplay that feels weird due to strange alternating

01:40:856 (6,1) - flow break seems a bit too sudden, since you already changed from clockwise to anti-clockwise at 01:39:644 (6,1) - doing it again so soon seems a little random. could ctrl g 01:40:933 (1) - and rearrange the pattern remapped this section, the DS is much higher but it flows better imo
01:41:236 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i don't think this really fits in the context of your diff, you don't have any difficult rhythms/spacings elsewhere so getting hit with this stream late into the map is really scary. especially because the diff is 4.81 stars, most of your target audience will get caught out here. a good compromise would be to use a much lower spaced stream that only challenges speed, instead of both speed and aim i dont use spacing lower than 1.0x anywhere (other than stacks) so i dont really think lowering the DS would make sense. i put in this 01:25:781 (1) for the first stream so it would be less sudden, should i do something similar here too?
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the pure consistency with rhythms in the top diff's kiai trouble me a bit too much. i'd really like to see some variation implemented before it gets pushed forward, so i won't be nominating this in it's current state top diff should be prepared now

if you decide to change things in the kiai/need help doing so, feel free to poke me in game i will do so

Pentori wrote:

hard
looking at it again, it was more a problem of how 00:22:145 (2) - extends to the red tick when there's no vocal supporting it. i'd try shortening 2 to a 1/1 slider
also might be worthwhile changing 00:23:357 (1,2) - to 3/4 repeats, as they're the most prominent 3/4 vocals here and it works better with spread to gradually introduce the 3/4s ok, done. added a small jump like 00:21:236 (3,1) - to 00:22:751 (3,1) - to reduce overlapping too

if u change those things, there's no need to mess around with hitsounds

insane
01:06:084 (3,4,5) - probably needs to be spaced better, 01:06:387 (4,5) - is a smaller gap than 01:06:084 (3,4) - but has the larger spacing ill PM you ingame about this, going for either 1.1x DS overlap or no change

the hero's journey
to answer your question, yes fixed

looks a lot better now

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