Halozy - 143 (extended mix) [CatchTheBeat]

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-Luminate
Hi! From modding server
Your map plays fine from my aspect, all of these would be suggestions, you're free to reject them :^)
General
  1. Regarding SB : In Rain Collab diff you always show the mapper's name of each part, but you don't on Salad Collab - you only showed some,
    I don't know if this is intended or WIP but I think it would be nice if they display in the same way
Collab Rain
  1. 02:11:208 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I think there could be a little movement on 02:11:208 (1) - and 02:11:208 (1) - to reflect the beat more
  2. 02:12:494 (1,2) - I think these two could be seperated from the main stream to follow the vocal
  3. 02:39:280 (6,1) - why is this no hyper when 02:37:565 (6,1) - which sounds similar has? I think it should be normal dash both
  4. 04:16:565 (7) - very overdose-like pattern with that gimmick and that much distance, consider nerfing this?
  5. 05:59:208 (8,9,1) - also overdose gimmick. I suggest this : picture
  6. 06:23:637 (8,1) - edgy dash here

Overall patterns play fine and readable for Rain, just some hyper strength and dash strength somehow felt too big, but nice job for everyone here btw
Everlasting Love
  1. 01:00:065 (1,2) - I think this is too undermapped compared to 00:58:351 (1,2,3,4,5) - in terms of intensity, which 00:58:672 (4,5,6) - you made it very strong dash but not on 01:00:065 (1,2) - despite having the same pace, also these section you seems to hyper on every finish sounds (red tick) so I think you might consider hyper on 01:09:280 (4) - too?
  2. 01:32:101 (4) - I don't think the music is that intense for 1/4 zigzag hyper here, instead I would hyper between 01:32:208 (5,6) - these two
  3. 02:59:208 (4) - a curve would flow better
  4. 03:17:208 (1,2,3,4) - I think this should be equally spaced as they're on the same pace
  5. 03:18:815 (8) - no need for this note as it doesn't refer to anything?
  6. 03:29:208 (1) - ctrl+G to reflect the melody more? also for 03:30:922 (1) -
  7. 03:42:922 - from this point- if I were you, I would :
    1. curve streams on 03:43:351 (2) - like ")" and curve 03:43:780 (1) - like "(" make a little antiflow curve to 03:44:208 (1) - or atleast make them more spaced
    2. hyper on 03:44:637 (1) - and curve 03:44:637 (1,2) likewise
    3. hyper on 03:46:351 (1)
    4. hyper on 03:48:065 (1)
    5. and also hyper on 03:49:780 (1)
  8. 04:07:780 (1,2,1,2) - since the ds is really high here, consider changing these into curve to make more flow and easier to follow? (>10x ds o.O, dunno if this is unrankable)
  9. 04:38:851 (8) - I think the antiflow here is too much, I suggest moving this one closer to 04:38:637 (7) - no hypers between (7,8)
  10. 04:46:137 (3,4) - since there's a big downbeat on 04:46:351 - I think ctrl+G and fix the pattern would play better since the beat is more noticable if you hyper on that : picture and 04:46:351 (4,1) - no need to hyperdash. if you applied this, make sure to apply on 04:46:994 (3,4) - 04:46:994 (3,4) - 04:59:851 (3,4) - and 05:00:708 (3,4) - too, Also fix NCs

The rest looks nice
Hope this helps! :)
Topic Starter
JBHyperion

-Luminate wrote:

Hi! From modding server
Your map plays fine from my aspect, all of these would be suggestions, you're free to reject them :^)
General
  1. Regarding SB : In Rain Collab diff you always show the mapper's name of each part, but you don't on Salad Collab - you only showed some, I don't know if this is intended or WIP but I think it would be nice if they display in the same way

    I created the lyric effects to fit around the SB naming on Rain which alternates every section. Due to preference/availability I didn't divide Salad up the same way, so there would be lots of ugly overlapping between collab names and lyric text if I kept them up the whole time. I think this is an acceptable compromise that avoids having to redesign most of the SB, which I would obviously like to avoid if at all possible.

    I did fix some awkward overlaps that didn't require too much recreation though
Collab Rain
  1. 02:11:208 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I think there could be a little movement on 02:11:208 (1) - and 02:11:208 (1) - to reflect the beat more Done
  2. 02:12:494 (1,2) - I think these two could be seperated from the main stream to follow the vocal Did something a little different here
  3. 02:39:280 (6,1) - why is this no hyper when 02:37:565 (6,1) - which sounds similar has? I think it should be normal dash both Added a hyper, this section is quite calm but the vocal really stands out here
  4. 04:16:565 (7) - very overdose-like pattern with that gimmick and that much distance, consider nerfing this? This is a pretty easy walk,
    don't feel it's too hard
  5. 05:59:208 (8,9,1) - also overdose gimmick. I suggest this : picture Nice suggestion, done
  6. 06:23:637 (8,1) - edgy dash here Fixed

Overall patterns play fine and readable for Rain, just some hyper strength and dash strength somehow felt too big, but nice job for everyone here btw
Everlasting Love
  1. 01:00:065 (1,2) - I think this is too undermapped compared to 00:58:351 (1,2,3,4,5) - in terms of intensity, which 00:58:672 (4,5,6) - you made it very strong dash but not on 01:00:065 (1,2) - despite having the same pace, also these section you seems to hyper on every finish sounds (red tick) so I think you might consider hyper on 01:09:280 (4) - too? I used a slider on 01:00:065 (1) - for variety to represent the 1/2 synth sound rather than the underlying 1/4 drum sounds, but you're right that some hypers were used inconsistently here. Fixed up the missing ones for a more consistent usage
  2. 01:32:101 (4) - I don't think the music is that intense for 1/4 zigzag hyper here, instead I would hyper between 01:32:208 (5,6) - these two Agreed, done
  3. 02:59:208 (4) - a curve would flow better Fair enough
  4. 03:17:208 (1,2,3,4) - I think this should be equally spaced as they're on the same pace Hyper is for the strong snare drum sound, decreasing spacing between pairs is for the decreasing vocal pitch
  5. 03:18:815 (8) - no need for this note as it doesn't refer to anything? There's a clear synth sound here as well as the end of the vocal
  6. 03:29:208 (1) - ctrl+G to reflect the melody more? also for 03:30:922 (1) - I prefer a natural flow here, the section is still quite calm and the rhythm is only just beginning to increase in density again
  7. 03:42:922 - from this point- if I were you, I would :
    1. curve streams on 03:43:351 (2) - like ")" and curve 03:43:780 (1) - like "(" make a little antiflow curve to 03:44:208 (1) - or atleast make them more spaced
    2. hyper on 03:44:637 (1) - and curve 03:44:637 (1,2) likewise
    3. hyper on 03:46:351 (1)
    4. hyper on 03:48:065 (1)
    5. and also hyper on 03:49:780 (1)

    Okay so gonna explain my design choices here a bit:

    The length of this section means that it would get extremely repetitive if I used all curves, even shaping them differently. To add some variety (and also provide a rest period for the player), I used buzz slider stacks in the earlier, less-intense parts. I also wanted to give a feeling of building back up with the hyper usage as well, so initially the only notes that have hypers are the strongest synth sounds like 03:44:208 (1) -, adding more in the second sequence starting with 03:50:637 (1) -.

    I feel this offers a good balance of playability, varied aesthetic and also reflects the feeling of the music throughout.

  8. 04:07:780 (1,2,1,2) - since the ds is really high here, consider changing these into curve to make more flow and easier to follow? (>10x ds o.O, dunno if this is unrankable) It's not unrankable, but it is kinda troll, especially 4 minutes into the map. Switched the second half from buzz sliders to curves for better flow and less troll
  9. 04:38:851 (8) - I think the antiflow here is too much, I suggest moving this one closer to 04:38:637 (7) - no hypers between (7,8) Okay sure, I'll save the antiflow structures for a bit later in the kiai and not overdo it here
  10. 04:46:137 (3,4) - since there's a big downbeat on 04:46:351 - I think ctrl+G and fix the pattern would play better since the beat is more noticable if you hyper on that : picture and 04:46:351 (4,1) - no need to hyperdash. if you applied this, make sure to apply on 04:46:994 (3,4) - 04:46:994 (3,4) - 04:59:851 (3,4) - and 05:00:708 (3,4) - too, Also fix NCs I am following the vocal rhythm here rather than the drum layer to emphasise the "I want/need/love you" (which is also prominent in the sb), the hyper/NC patterning can be inferred from this by the parity switch to red tick at 04:45:708 (1) - which gives the player an indication "hey we're following something different now, pay attention!"

The rest looks nice
Hope this helps! :)
Thanks for the suggestions! (:

Also what the everloving fuck Sanyi thanks for 204 stars I guess? xD

Edit: and also to JeirYagtama for 187 stars!

Edit2: and Divine Cake for 198 stars...

Edit3: AND SINNOH FOR 100 STARS OK WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

Edit4: Kisses casually dropping more stars than found in the observable universe ok I'm done
BoberOfDarkness

Sinnoh wrote:

uaa that's more than 12 stars guess we're ready for BNs now
BNs where
_handholding

BoberOfDarkness wrote:

Sinnoh wrote:

uaa that's more than 12 stars guess we're ready for BNs now
BNs where
When JBH makes me a ctb BN ;)
Topic Starter
JBHyperion


okay
Sanyi
I just wanted to shoot some stars and now that happened xD
Nelly

JBHyperion wrote:



okay
What in the hell
FAMoss

JBHyperion wrote:



okay
SYAHME
We need a feature that can un-shoot kudosu lol haha jk
Divine Cake
When google gives you a full mod

Very little that actually needs changing here tbh, these are more suggestions from me than have too's.
[General]
  1. 02:41:208 - 02:48:065 - HS volume too high in this section imo.go would reduce all by 10-15%
  2. Pretty big diff spike from platter to rain. possible to nerf rain a bit and buff platter a bit?

[Cup]
  1. 00:10:994 (2) - feels a bit underemphasised with all the right to left movement. maybe reverse direction at 00:10:351 (1) - so it goes left left right left
  2. 00:13:780 (1,2,3) - percussion hit at 00:14:422 (2) - is a bit underemphasised imo. would reverse dicretion at to instead to create some emphasis here
  3. 00:44:637 (1) - why not move back to 00:44:208 (3) - so theres some emphasis on this ending note
  4. 03:03:494 (1,2) - would reduce this spacing a bit more, since vocal is swallowed. would use 0.7x imo.
  5. 03:10:565 (2) - intensity is a bit higher than 03:09:708 (1) - so maybe take the anchor and move it a bit more to the left so the pattern has a bit more spacing.
  6. 03:38:422 (2,1) - feels a bit under emphasised after the harder to hit 03:38:422 (2) - would either increase spacing between these two or use a simpler pattern for 03:38:422 (2) - and a harder pattern for 03:39:280 (1) - to create some epmhasis.
  7. 04:05:208 (1,2) - would tilt 1 a bit more vertical, as it is now 1 feels like it should be on a significantly stronger beat than 04:06:065 (3,4) - which i dont feel is true
  8. 04:40:351 (3) - preffer a 1/2 repeat here instead of your 1/1 slider.
  9. 04:40:351 (3) - make this a reverse direction repeat instead maybe. making the new vocal line stand more out. feels like these beats are more connected to the section before than they should.
  10. 05:42:065 (3) - ctrl + h and move to the right side maybe? feels a bit underemphasised imo.

[Salad]
  1. 00:05:851 (2,3,4) - maybe reduce spacing a bit? almost a need to tap dash somewhere here to catch everything.
  2. 01:52:780 (3,1) - jump seems a bit high spaced, but didnt have any problems catching it either, sooo... maybe reduce spacing a bit?
  3. 02:41:208 - 02:42:922 (1) - HS volume too high in this section would reduce all by 10-15%
  4. 03:08:637 (1,2) - spacing here is too low imo. vocals are clear here.
  5. 03:23:208 (2,1,2,3) - ^
  6. 03:56:637 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this whole section is walkable if you are precise eanogh. is that the point? if not i would buff distance a bit where suitable.
  7. 04:09:922 - 04:34:137 - this whole section is almost walkable too, think there is like 5 must dash places in the kiai. why not add more clear dashes on places like 04:13:351 (3,1) - ?
  8. 04:37:780 - 05:03:494 - okay so pointing this out here, after a few attempts i managed to play this entier section without touching my dash at all. Meaning its entierly possible to buff some spacings to make the diffrence between walk and dash more clear in this kiai. I feel having adequate spacing for dashes is a good thing to make it more visually clear to new players what is a walk and what is a dash. also spacing variety makes for more fun maps.
  9. 07:08:422 (5,1) - after a long section of regular walk spacing this dash comes up and might be hard to interprite as a dash after so long without a dash. would buff distance a bit to make that more clear.

[Platter]
  1. 00:45:708 (4,5) - and 00:46:672 (4,5) - feels pretty underemphasised imo. Why not reverse direction for the slider to create a bit more movement to emphasise the sound? goes for all the stream into slider patterns in this section tbh
  2. 03:23:422 (3,4,1,2,3) - feel beats instead of sliders fits more, looks a bit weird to have slider trail between one and not the other.
  3. 04:58:672 (2) - HS way to strong on the head here, sticks too much out without any significant sound.
  4. 04:58:672 (2) - ^
  5. 05:26:208 (5,6,7,8,1) - this entier stream section has the significant direction change on the downbeats which is logical... except this one where the direction change comes after the downbeat. i would change the shape of the stream and move it to the other side of 05:26:530 (8) - for a more concistent pattern.

[Rain]
  1. 00:05:101 (4,5) - spacing maybe a bit high
  2. 00:11:637 (3,4,5) - preffer same spacing between all of these isnatead of longer between 00:11:851 (4,5) -
  3. 00:29:637 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is a bit too dense imo. reduces impact of other more fitting 1/8 streams like section at 01:41:208 -
  4. 01:41:530 - HS is a bit low on beats like this one in the section imo. feels a bit weird to hit something when i get no audio feedback.
  5. 02:18:922 - while stream is not hard and it is fitting i feel this note density is just too much for a rain.
  6. 03:04:351 (3) - tail feels a bit underemphasised here. maybe add a red anchor on the slider tick and make the slider go back to the left after the tick for a little movement on the tail hit
  7. 03:44:208 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - would preffer if you mapped these sections as 1/4 rhythm and the rest of the stream as 1/8. Making these sections stand out a bit more with some rhythmical diffrences aswell as HS diffrence.
  8. 06:26:208 (4,5,6,7,8) - this 1/8 sticks a bit too much out for my comfort. i would maybe map a 1/8 stream for the notes before too (06:25:780 (1,2,3) -) but might get a bit intense. reducing hitsound a bit might work too, so it stands less out.
  9. 06:53:637 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - same as point above. it seems like your following the sound starting at 06:53:208 - but only map the 2nd half with 1/8 streams, which seems a bit odd to me.

[Everlasting Love]
  1. 00:03:494 - 00:17:208 - this section gets a bit repetetive by the end. i was gona suggest some pattern use like the ones you use after 00:17:208 - but seems like you wanted to map it more concistently instead. i'll still suggest mapping each of the sections (00:03:494 - 00:17:208 - and 00:17:208 - 00:29:208 - ) with a higher incrase in intensity towards the end so you can add a bit more variety to the patterns in the intro. Meaning something like 00:12:708 (6,7,8,9,10) - this towards the end of the first section should be mapped more like 00:19:565 (4,5,6,7,8) - and vice versa
  2. 01:58:780 (5) - would preffer if this slider was a bit curved like 01:54:922 (1) - so you get this nice, straight curve straight curve pattern. (01:53:637 (5) - 01:54:922 (1) - 01:57:065 (5) - )
  3. 03:24:065 (5) - feels underemphasised imo. pretty strong sound but no diffrence in flow or spacing to indicate that.
  4. 03:25:780 - would map this beat too

Despite what I've heard the hyper and spacing usage in this diff is pretty good i would say. everything gets proper and different emphasis based on the strength of the note. No high spaced dash is too hard to hit either so good job JBH, nice spacing.
celerih


Seems like we're missing some stars
Crowley
jesus christ have all my stars too
SYAHME

celerih wrote:



Seems like we're missing some stars
so my maps can be qualified now, yeay
Spectator
hey take some more stars from me
Nelly
Easy Qualified with this Star Priority to be honest
MBomb
2500 :)
Pennek
Beautiful
ShiiTsuin
Vulkin
w h y
Topic Starter
JBHyperion

Vulkin wrote:

w h y
I don't even know anymore
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