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Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Stray in Chaos [Osu|Taiko|

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Alheak
update, fixed a few things.

Also check AiMod, there are problems with the set
Akanya
Fixed blankets @Bergy
00:37:924 (3)
01:38:077 (2)

Click me lel
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Topic Starter
puxtu

Alheak wrote:

Also check AiMod, there are problems with the set
guineaQ
cus puxtu wanted my virginity

I haven't modded for ages so
take this with some pinch of NaCL

[Alheak's baguette]
00:09:295 (2,3,4) - ay somebody understands how leniency works
00:16:147 (7,8,9,10,1) - It feels kinda forced to have a direction change from CCW to CW, I believe you already give enough emphasis by having this kind of spacing anyways so why force more with a direction change w
00:20:716 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - compared to 00:30:462 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - which is perpendicular, the angle this pattern forms is more obtuse rather than right or acute angle, consider changing the angle of entry if you wan it to be easier to play (concerning that this is the first time this kind of pattern shows up it should be easiest to play)
01:04:704 (8,9,10) - fuk slider miss
01:32:900 (7,8,9) - i kno you want that diamond shape formed by 6->7->8->9 but consider putting 8 on 6's place and 9 on where 8 is at right now w because I died here

rest is fine w

I'll just leave >questions< instead of normal "fix that fix this because adfklfaldfkmakf" cus that's boring

[Feb]
00:06:858 (2,3,4) - 00:07:467 (6,7,8) - these kind of patterning

Are you really sure you want to force this kind of movement and anti-flow? They do play- uh they are playable, but they kill the momentum that the slider velocity gives from the previous sliders but forcing the cursor to kill any flow it has built up previously. I believe this actually harms the connectivity from one pattern to another because this works against the player to move from next pattern to another seamlessly.

For e.g. 00:07:467 (6,7,8,1) - , if the 7,8 were placed like 01:06:707 (1,2,3) - is, the huge jump from 8->1 wouldn't be an issue at all, however since you kill all the momentum by enforcing a movement that is exact opposite of what 6 was suggesting, the player has to exert considerably more force to jump from 8 to 1

There are cases where this kind of patterning do complement what you are doing tho, like 00:35:944 - part, there are considerable gap between note from note, making this momentum killer actually put more emphasis. So it does more good then bad for this section, however they are used even in parts where maintaining the momentum would do better instead of killing it.

So y e a :thinking:

[Nino]
I can't
hear
the hitnormal hitsound


halp

also the intro part is pretty compact when it comes to the visual distance, i wonder if that's necessary :thinking:

[Fiery]
You are not even done w

[lower diffs]
You guys don't do anything fancy or gimmicky so you guys don't need mod from me wew
Nao Tomori
alheak diff is so edgy

lol nice ava evening!
Evening
thin
18:26 puxtu: yo evening
18:26 Evening: hello
18:26 puxtu: are you free for irc mod?
18:27 Evening: uh yea kinda
18:27 Evening: half-feeling it rn lol
18:27 puxtu: i'll take it as a yes :v
18:30 puxtu: so uh wanna do it now?
18:30 Evening: oki
18:30 *puxtu is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1228531 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Stray in Chaos]
18:30 puxtu: just an edgy hardcore song
18:30 puxtu: ezpz stuff
18:34 Evening: idk what specifically to point out lol
18:34 Evening: maps plays ok in general
18:34 puxtu: check out the stream maybe
18:35 Evening: idk what stream
18:35 puxtu: or the first kiai part
18:35 puxtu: 00:45:691 (45691|0) - this stream
18:36 puxtu: 01:37:773 (97773|2) - or this
18:36 puxtu: kinda not sure if it's ok
18:36 Evening: 00:51:477 (51477|3,51782|1) - idk if it's just me or is there a missing LN in between
18:36 puxtu: need your opinion about it
18:36 Evening: for the synth, idk if it's even there though, it's rather faded
18:37 Evening: 01:38:534 (98534|2,98534|1) - not too sure why is this a 2 note chord, think it'd be better with just 1 note
18:37 Evening: 01:48:280 (108280|1) - same here
18:38 puxtu: 00:51:477 (51477|3,51782|1) - im sure there's no 1/2 synth right here
18:38 puxtu: and yea i probably should remove that double
18:39 puxtu: done
18:39 puxtu: 01:53:077 (113077|2,113153|0,113230|2,113306|1,113382|3,113458|1,113534|2) - is this ok
18:39 puxtu: not sure if it plays fine ;w;
18:39 Evening: looks ok, it's mainly alternating hands
18:40 puxtu: piratom suggested that pattern
18:40 puxtu: alrite then
18:41 Evening: 00:20:716 (20716|0,20716|2,20792|3,20792|1,20868|0) - not too sure if this fits the drum sounds, as in the 13 24 pattern
18:41 Evening: 00:20:716 (20716|0,20716|2,20792|3,20792|1,20868|0,20944|2) - think it'd be better with like 34 12 3 1
18:41 puxtu: oh ok
18:41 Evening: 00:30:462 (30462|1,30462|0,30538|3,30538|2) - yea you kinda did a 12 34 here
18:41 puxtu: done
18:42 puxtu: yea i thought i could use some variation
18:42 puxtu: 00:43:559 (43559|0) - is this part ok? xd
18:42 Evening: yea looks ok
18:43 puxtu: there's a lot of pp there
18:43 puxtu: i mean chords
18:43 Evening: seems to be the hardest part of the whole map though lol
18:43 Evening: get some players that play this difficulty to test that i suppose
18:43 Evening: others look ok
18:43 puxtu: arite hold on
18:45 puxtu: herkkupala gonna test it
18:47 puxtu: lemme update the map first
18:47 Evening: aight
18:48 *puxtu is watching [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1216040 Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas - Stray in Chaos [MX]] <osu!mania> |4K|
18:48 puxtu: 1.5k rank
18:49 puxtu: should be ezpz for him
18:49 puxtu: o rip
18:49 Evening: it's a bit easier to start a stream with 2 hands pressing a note on the very first beat
18:50 Evening: so 12 34 or 34 12 is a bit weird since you need to offset 1 entire hand
18:50 puxtu: i see
18:50 puxtu: also did you notice the cut?
18:50 Evening: cut?
18:50 Evening: audio cut (?)
18:51 puxtu: originaly this song is 4mins long
18:51 puxtu: yea i cut this mp3
18:51 Evening: it sounds seamless
18:51 puxtu: xD
18:54 puxtu: he said it's cool
18:54 Evening: neat
18:55 puxtu: how about the HD one
18:55 Evening: uhh haven't looked at it lol
18:56 Evening: 00:01:833 (1833|3) - well, first LN bothers me already on hd
18:56 Evening: the guitar audio is only on the "left"
18:56 Evening: left side of the speaker/headphone etc
18:57 puxtu: ctrl+a ctrl+h then
18:57 puxtu: done
18:57 puxtu: x)
18:58 Evening: yea isn't this a ctrl+a and ctrl+h of MX already
18:58 puxtu: yeah x)))
18:58 Evening: ' _'
18:58 puxtu: that's how i make hd diffs
18:59 puxtu: use the MX as the base
18:59 puxtu: and then nerf this and nerf that
18:59 Evening: 01:24:981 (84981|3) - 1/2 jacks here feel a bit random though
18:59 puxtu: yea i placed all jacks randomly
18:59 puxtu: im sorry about that
19:00 puxtu: was trying to emphasize the vocal but seems like it wasnt good enough
19:01 Evening: 01:28:788 (88788|0,90006|1) - like, i think it'd be fine without these cause it doesn't seem to emphasize any 1/2 vocal
19:01 Evening: others look fine though
19:01 puxtu: it doesnt hl anything
19:01 puxtu: weird
19:02 puxtu: do you have the latest one or i accidentally moving some notes
19:02 puxtu: ah nvm i got it
19:02 Evening: o oki
19:03 puxtu: so yeah that's all?
19:03 Evening: yes
19:03 puxtu: you sure? 'w"
19:04 Evening: do you want me to mod standard too
19:04 puxtu: lol nah, nao will check it next week
19:05 puxtu: post the log maybe :3
19:05 Evening: okay

quite interesting coincidence

edit: i changed to something else cute
Alheak

guineaQ wrote:

cus puxtu wanted my virginity

I haven't modded for ages so
take this with some pinch of NaCL

[Alheak's baguette]
00:09:295 (2,3,4) - ay somebody understands how leniency works finally someone who understands me
00:16:147 (7,8,9,10,1) - It feels kinda forced to have a direction change from CCW to CW, I believe you already give enough emphasis by having this kind of spacing anyways so why force more with a direction change w i don't really map in terms of CW/CCW, i decided to go this way here to go against (5,6) to make the pattern easier to play with the sharp angle
00:20:716 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - compared to 00:30:462 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - which is perpendicular, the angle this pattern forms is more obtuse rather than right or acute angle, consider changing the angle of entry if you wan it to be easier to play (concerning that this is the first time this kind of pattern shows up it should be easiest to play) well those patterns work exactly because of the sharp angle, the sharper the easier, so in this case, i'd rather change the second pattern, not the first
01:04:704 (8,9,10) - fuk slider miss blame the song ⁽:
01:32:900 (7,8,9) - i kno you want that diamond shape formed by 6->7->8->9 but consider putting 8 on 6's place and 9 on where 8 is at right now w because I died here eh that's actually p nice, changed

rest is fine w
thank you! update
fieryrage

guineaQ wrote:

cus puxtu wanted my virginity

I haven't modded for ages so
take this with some pinch of NaCL

[Fiery]
You are not even done w unlucky
http://puu.sh/uz1Rc/b9b660acab.osu
still a minute left to map but i might as well start getting mods for the first min so xd
this accidentally went into an extra
Dilectus
Alheak's Expert
This is certainly something unique and difficult. Have fun getting hate from the PP farmers ;)

00:09:295 (2,3,4) - This downupdownup flow is very awkward to hit. I'd suggest maybe stack 00:09:523 (3,4) - on 00:08:686 (5,7) - or something like you somewhat did at 00:10:513 (2,3,4) - cause it really improves the flow of this pattern.
00:14:396 (3,4) - ^ but maybe move to x376 y183 for the same reason.

00:20:792 (4,5,8,1) - I suggest keeping the same ds for 4,5 and 8,1 or maybe emphasize 1 more because I don't think emphasizing the tom fill more over the crash symbal makes sense.
00:30:538 (4,5,8,1) - ^
01:33:966 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - How about something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7513912

00:46:604 (6) - Idk what you're trying to emphasize with this slider shape. I think that it fits better at 00:46:909 (1) - .
00:51:477 (6) - ^

01:16:453 (1,2) - , 01:20:717 (3,4) - These overlap triggers me ;_;

01:34:956 (2,3) - Oboy, people are gonna think these are 1/2. Mostly because it's the first time in the map you introduce this type of spacing for this pattern. I also noticed that the spacing for this pattern is inconsistent in this part too (01:37:392 (2,3) - , 01:38:306 (9,1) - , ). Makes it into a much harder reading challenge than it needs to. Idk actually. Since I can't play it, I cant just assume that. So maybe it's ok :cry:

02:11:275 - Change sampleset to soft1 so you dont hear the drum hitsound xD
Alheak

DavidEd wrote:

Alheak's Expert
This is certainly something unique and difficult. Have fun getting hate from the PP farmers ;) and the pp mappers too

00:09:295 (2,3,4) - This downupdownup flow is very awkward to hit. I'd suggest maybe stack 00:09:523 (3,4) - on 00:08:686 (5,7) - or something like you somewhat did at 00:10:513 (2,3,4) - cause it really improves the flow of this pattern. i don't really understand the issue, it plays just fine to me, and this flow fits the song quite well
00:14:396 (3,4) - ^ but maybe move to x376 y183 for the same reason.

00:20:792 (4,5,8,1) - I suggest keeping the same ds for 4,5 and 8,1 or maybe emphasize 1 more because I don't think emphasizing the tom fill more over the crash symbal makes sense. this isn't really a matter of spacing emphasis but rather of how the pattern works, (4,5) is rather natural to play even if it looks intimidating and should flow rather smoothly, (8,1) is different because you actually have to accelerate a bit and control your aim
00:30:538 (4,5,8,1) - ^
01:33:966 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - How about something like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7513912 that would be very awkward to play, be inconsistent and ruin how the pattern is supposed to work

00:46:604 (6) - Idk what you're trying to emphasize with this slider shape. I think that it fits better at 00:46:909 (1) - . it's kind of a hold slider, I want the player to stop here
00:51:477 (6) - ^

01:16:453 (1,2) - , 01:20:717 (3,4) - These overlap triggers me ;_; they're here on purpose, they look quite fine to me, overlaps look bad when they're inconsistent or unintentional

01:34:956 (2,3) - Oboy, people are gonna think these are 1/2. Mostly because it's the first time in the map you introduce this type of spacing for this pattern. I also noticed that the spacing for this pattern is inconsistent in this part too (01:37:392 (2,3) - , 01:38:306 (9,1) - , ). Makes it into a much harder reading challenge than it needs to. Idk actually. Since I can't play it, I cant just assume that. So maybe it's ok :cry: those spacings work as intended, i guess i can understand the reading part, we will see

02:11:275 - Change sampleset to soft1 so you dont hear the drum hitsound xD yes
i guess singletappers will have more trouble playing this map since it was made with an alternating playstyle in mind, and it's also indeed quite technical (on a side note i dont understand why people praise technical maps when it's on a wub song but hate them when it's on any other type of song)

anyway thank you for the mod!

update
Weber
General

Difficulty gap between Normal and Hard is too much, especially considering how close Easy and Normal are. Almost as if some kind of... Advanced difficulty would be required...

Easy

Really not a fan of the 3/2,1/1,2/1 spacing usage in rhythm scattered throughout the song, I really don't think it'll work well for beginners but since there isn't really an alternative with the music its whatever.

00:01:833 (1) - it isn't a good idea to have spinner end only two 1/1 bars before the next hitcircle, especially if your first note coming out of the spinner is in the very top right hand corner, find some way to make it end 4 1/1 bars before.
00:09:752 (2) - I think the stacked straight line backwards isn't a good idea here for flow especially considering how weird 00:09:752 (2,3,1) - looks visually, I would try to place a slider somewhere on the right instead so it flows better.
00:52:391 (1,2) - Flow definitely needs some work here.

Normal is fine.

Akitoshi's Hard

01:00:149 - The fuck is the blue in the editor?
02:02:138 (3) - Would flow better if Ctrl-G'd tbh

Good luck!
Feb

Bergy wrote:

febulous ex tra
  1. 00:32:137 (2) - emphasize this more did
  2. 01:16:758 (1,1) - um dont think u need to NC these i see, but 01:21:935 (1) - those cud be bit hard to see so i did and for consistency i did on the one before.
  3. 01:21:631 (1,1) - i mean same
  4. idk in general you seem to use NCs wayyyy too much r u the nc police or wut

    looks p clean
ok her u go this mod i do good ur welc ome

guineaQ wrote:

cus puxtu wanted my virginity

[Feb]
00:06:858 (2,3,4) - 00:07:467 (6,7,8) - these kind of patterning

Are you really sure you want to force this kind of movement and anti-flow? They do play- uh they are playable, but they kill the momentum that the slider velocity gives from the previous sliders but forcing the cursor to kill any flow it has built up previously. I believe this actually harms the connectivity from one pattern to another because this works against the player to move from next pattern to another seamlessly.

For e.g. 00:07:467 (6,7,8,1) - , if the 7,8 were placed like 01:06:707 (1,2,3) - is, the huge jump from 8->1 wouldn't be an issue at all, however since you kill all the momentum by enforcing a movement that is exact opposite of what 6 was suggesting, the player has to exert considerably more force to jump from 8 to 1 you kinda explained my reasoning behind the anti flow, however imo the momentum doesn't get killed at all, the only thing that gets broken her is comfortable flow. Also the connectivity isn't lost as all of the antiflow patterns lead directly into comfortable flow as e.g. 00:07:163 (4,5,6) - 00:07:772 (8,1,2) - etc. Doing this kinda stuff makes the pattern easier to play, if I had used antiflow there as well i'd suck hard in this case.

There are cases where this kind of patterning do complement what you are doing tho, like 00:35:944 - part, there are considerable gap between note from note, making this momentum killer actually put more emphasis. So it does more good then bad for this section, however they are used even in parts where maintaining the momentum would do better instead of killing it. lol I actually thought the exact opposite now and changed that ... hmm

So y e a :thinking:
yea mapping is :thinking: :lol:
Thank you guys for modding, also did some changes myself.

ff
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Akanya
@Weber

00:52:391 (1,2) - Flow definitely needs some work here.
I tried to do a backwards flow since 00:53:000 (1) - Has a strong sound, and therefor i thought it could be used as a stop and reverse the flow backwards?
Do you think some kind of circular flow like this would be better doe, since i dont have to much space to work with at the top?
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7516287 Not updated "yet".
Weber

Akanya wrote:

@Weber

00:52:391 (1,2) - Flow definitely needs some work here.
I tried to do a backwards flow since 00:53:000 (1) - Has a strong sound, and therefor i thought it could be used as a stop and reverse the flow backwards?
Do you think some kind of circular flow like this would be better doe, since i dont have to much space to work with at the top?
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7516287 Not updated "yet".
Yeah, I feel as though that would be the best alternative.
Nerova Riuz GX
tfw I still have nothing to do after a couple of mods
Akanya
A few changes
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Akitoshi

Weber wrote:

Akitoshi's Hard

01:00:149 - The fuck is the blue in the editor? eh that 'blue' is to emphasize piano
02:02:138 (3) - Would flow better if Ctrl-G'd tbh ok
a
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Title:Stray in Chaos
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Artist:Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Creator:puxtu
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Tags:Akanya Akitoshi Alheak Feb fieryrage SnowNiNo_ Dance & Scream Japanese Electronicore
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SnowNiNo_

Bergy wrote:

el nino insain
  1. 00:10:361 (1) - On this part you could emphasize the guitar notes, kinda like you did at 00:09:142 (1,2,3,4) - since the guitar hits on 00:10:361 - and 00:10:513 - . i did lo
  2. 00:20:716 (3,4) - I would prefer either a complete stream or just a slier here. A 2-burst and slider just feels really awkward imo. following drum here
  3. 00:46:909 (1) - ctrl+g for wat
  4. 01:50:793 (2) - no sound here in the music
thx for mod
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Title:Stray in Chaos
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Artist:Fear, and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Creator:puxtu
Version:NiNo's Insane
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Tags:Akanya Akitoshi Alheak Feb fieryrage SnowNiNo_ Dance & Scream Japanese Electronicore
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fieryrage
hey lol im almost finished like 30 secs left to map ill edit this post when im done xd

e: fuck im so lazy kill me http://puu.sh/uTFFv/8ed343cf61.osu will map rest soon
Fallmorph
Topic Starter
puxtu
thanks a lot dude, I changed my bg
Mafumafu
[Akanya's Easy]
Slider tick rate 1 is enough. Why using 2?
Problem of this difficulty is the imbalance between slider velocity and distance spacing. Your SV is quite fast but spacing is quite small. So maybe you need to reconstructure the entire difficulty.
And also please do not manipulate the SV. Even if there are bpm changes, let it be there so player will know the change.
The rhythm is also too complex mixed with 1/2s. In Easy, main rhythm should be 2/1 (for this bpm) and some single circle snapped to 1/2, even if snapped to some sort of thing in the music will confuse the new players.

[N/A's Normal]
Still, slider tickrate 2 does not make sense.
Cool diff otherwise!

[Net0's Advanced]
00:18:736 (6,2) - This may not be a good idea because the two sliders are placed almost on the same position, which could confuse some players with readability issues.
00:31:985 (3,1) - Their slider-bodies are too closed.
00:42:950 (4,1) - I think the DS should be kept consistent.
00:43:330 (1) - Wondering if the recovery time would be too short for this difficulty.
01:32:367 (1,1) - This is definitly too short.
01:42:341 (2) - This feels too long. Try some rhythm like this: https://puu.sh/uWYjS/67d4bbab1b.png
01:43:255 (6) - This multiple reverse slider is too sudden.
01:56:200 (7,1) - Stacking 3/2 may not be a good idea. (For readability issue as well.)
01:59:093 (1,2) - Problem with this part is, the downbeats are placed on slider-ends. Try to Ctrl+G them in rhythm.

[Akitoshi's Hard]
Great diff!

[NiNo's Insane]
The gap between Hard and this diff is too large. Hard is almost distance snapped however in Insane jumps could easily be spot. A light Insane is for sure needed.
01:05:489 (1,2,3,4) - A parallel pattern may be a better choice. Current sliders look a bit messy.
01:07:925 (1,2,3,4) - Try to keep them same distance with 01:05:489 (1,2,3,4) - .
01:33:813 (4,5) - This looks pretty like 1/2! Really confusing because you have 1/2 with smaller spacing. For example: 01:32:595 (5,1,1) -

Higher difficulties are skipped because my ability of playing is limited.
Nice song!
Pho
was asked by puxtu to give my opinion on the highest diff so ye hi alheak
[Allheak]
  1. Pretty interesting map, the streamjumps in the first half of the map play out well. Later on the patterns become fairly difficult to read and play, so you might want to adjust some stuff:
  2. 00:15:843 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - This one's pretty nasty to play. Big movement from 5->6, little movement 6->7 and then a streamburst right after. I mean I get it that you're following that 00:16:071 (6,7) - principle like before at 00:10:741 (3,4) - 00:15:615 (3,4) - , but here it's really uncomfortable to play. Also the drums are equally strong emphasized throughout the whole stream, so making this whole stream high-spaced would make more sense and less daunting to play
  3. 00:18:432 (1,2) - SV burst for the screams would be nice
  4. 00:27:721 - 00:32:594 (2) - 01:33:661 (2) - clap
  5. 00:45:386 (6) - NC would be pretty helpful here to indicate the streamspacing change, makes the reading easier
  6. 01:04:861 (9) - That's a pretty odd 1/8 slider lol
  7. 01:32:291 - This is probably the most questionable section for me because it's pretty cluttered and hard to sightread the 1/4s. Would ad vise you to set NCs at 01:32:595 - 01:32:900 - 01:33:204 - .
    Also idk, but 01:33:966 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this pattern in conjunction with the previous pattern seems pretty forced to play, for me at least. I feel like you could make it more intuitive to play here.
  8. 01:38:686 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - If you do this kind of streamspacing shifts, at least NC each time where such a shift happens, makes it easier to follow. Same for 01:48:357 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 01:52:316 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
  9. 02:04:473 (2,3,4) - thanks for caring for the players
That's all from me, take the advice from a noob player and good luck with the set :p
SnowNiNo_

Regraz wrote:

[NiNo's Insane]
The gap between Hard and this diff is too large. Hard is almost distance snapped however in Insane jumps could easily be spot. A light Insane is for sure needed. up to putux senpai xd
01:05:489 (1,2,3,4) - A parallel pattern may be a better choice. Current sliders look a bit messy.i rly like this tho xd
01:07:925 (1,2,3,4) - Try to keep them same distance with 01:05:489 (1,2,3,4) - .hmm.. not necessary imo, i want to keep the structure here
01:33:813 (4,5) - This looks pretty like 1/2! Really confusing because you have 1/2 with smaller spacing. For example: 01:32:595 (5,1,1) - yea is 1/2 here but i prefer using kickslider at 01:33:661 (3,4) - to emphasis the snare, so the spacing is kinda weird at 01:33:813 (4,5) - here
thx for mod :)
Alheak

Pho wrote:

was asked by puxtu to give my opinion on the highest diff so ye hi alheak hi
[Allheak]
  1. Pretty interesting map, the streamjumps in the first half of the map play out well. Later on the patterns become fairly difficult to read and play, so you might want to adjust some stuff:
  2. 00:15:843 (5,6,7,8,9,10,1) - This one's pretty nasty to play. Big movement from 5->6, little movement 6->7 and then a streamburst right after. I mean I get it that you're following that 00:16:071 (6,7) - principle like before at 00:10:741 (3,4) - 00:15:615 (3,4) - , but here it's really uncomfortable to play. Also the drums are equally strong emphasized throughout the whole stream, so making this whole stream high-spaced would make more sense and less daunting to play changed a bit to make the pattern more natural to play, but as you mentioned for consistency and because I do believe the drums are not playing at a constant intensity, the stream's spacing has not been changed
  3. 00:18:432 (1,2) - SV burst for the screams would be nice yes
  4. 00:27:721 - 00:32:594 (2) - 01:33:661 (2) - clap added
  5. 00:45:386 (6) - NC would be pretty helpful here to indicate the streamspacing change, makes the reading easier guess so yes
  6. 01:04:861 (9) - That's a pretty odd 1/8 slider lol yes, it's following the drums but that might be unnecessary, we'll see
  7. 01:32:291 - This is probably the most questionable section for me because it's pretty cluttered and hard to sightread the 1/4s. Would ad vise you to set NCs at 01:32:595 - 01:32:900 - 01:33:204 - .
    Also idk, but 01:33:966 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this pattern in conjunction with the previous pattern seems pretty forced to play, for me at least. I feel like you could make it more intuitive to play here. changed this section, hope this plays better
  8. 01:38:686 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - If you do this kind of streamspacing shifts, at least NC each time where such a shift happens, makes it easier to follow. Same for 01:48:357 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 01:52:316 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
  9. 02:04:473 (2,3,4) - thanks for caring for the players heh, like the others 1/8 sliders, it might go for playability
That's all from me, take the advice from a noob player and good luck with the set :p
Thank you for your input, I'm quite confident in how my patterns play, but the reading part is probably where adjustments will need to be made, and I guess NCs play a great part in that and I didn't really think of it.

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Akanya

Regraz wrote:

[Akanya's Easy]
Slider tick rate 1 is enough. Why using 2? Fixed

Problem of this difficulty is the imbalance between slider velocity and distance spacing. Your SV is quite fast but spacing is quite small. So maybe you need to reconstructure the entire difficulty.Tried to balance it as much as possible in new version

And also please do not manipulate the SV. Even if there are bpm changes, let it be there so player will know the change. Yee ._.

The rhythm is also too complex mixed with 1/2s. In Easy, main rhythm should be 2/1 (for this bpm) and some single circle snapped to 1/2, even if snapped to some sort of thing in the music will confuse the new players. I find it very difficult to fix this problem since there is a lot of either strong instrumental sounds or vocal phrases that needs to be highlighted. It may cause a problem in easy with the unusual patterns but i still think this would be acceptable >w<
Edit : Changed colors cuz red looked negative :3

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6th
Hello

There is a huge gap between Hard and Insane difficulties. Hard uses 1,30 as a SV while Insane uses 1,90, furthermore Insane's SV is equal to Extra's ones. I know that these are GDs but it doesn't allow you to have such gap and an unconsistent spread.

[Insane]

00:03:051 (1) - Remove NC. Btw, it would be better if the 4 sliders had equal spacing
00:07:620 (6,7,8,1) - 00:07:620 (6,7,8,1) - 00:10:665 (2,3,4,5) - 00:11:884 (3,4,5,6) - 00:12:493 (7,8,9,1) - any reason to such inconsistent spacing ? They sound the same
00:20:716 (3,4) - This could easily be read as an 1/2 stack, just make a triplet as you did at 00:30:462 (3,4,5) -, it works much better.
00:32:899 (3,4) - Their impact could be much more powerful if spacing between 00:32:594 (2,3) - was decreased.
00:52:543 (4,5) - CTRL+G rhythm. It fits better with what you follow right before. Also having a circle just between that 1/1 slider could bring more impact to it.
00:54:447 - Ignoring that doesn't make much sense since it's kiai time + you usually don't ignore sounds. I don't think it would be considered as overloaded since there are much harder patterns like 01:33:509 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
01:23:763 (1,2,3) - Spacing between sliders in that section is rather wide so I don't recommand decreasing it that much here.
01:38:382 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Flow is a bit problematic here. I don't think that changing direction while starting a stream in an Insane is a good idea.
01:45:387 (6,1) - Honestly, they feel too emphasized for nothing
01:49:651 (3,4,5,1) - Are you sure about that ? Flow is globally fluid and smooth to play in your map and I don't think that this pattern brings anything good.

[Expert]
This is pretty good
I'm just a bit worried about 01:32:291 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this... it looks really tricky. Like, I think that most of the players will click (9) just after (7), rather than (8)... probably because of that 01:32:595 (5,6) - tho.

[MX]
02:05:184 - add spinner

Good luck !
Topic Starter
puxtu

6th wrote:

[MX]
02:05:184 - add spinner replaced with ddkkDK and also added hyper dash thx
Will do something about the gap
Alheak

6th wrote:

Hello hey

[Expert]
This is pretty good
I'm just a bit worried about 01:32:291 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this... it looks really tricky. Like, I think that most of the players will click (9) just after (7), rather than (8)... probably because of that 01:32:595 (5,6) - tho. yes, this has been fixed with the previous mod, it hasn't been uploaded yet

Good luck !
Thank you!
Jabba
m4m with akanya!

alheak
00:14:016 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - eh I'd rather not repeat the pattern from 00:09:142 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - there cause a different sound appears in the background
00:33:051 (5,1) - I'd try to make (5) curved to match (1), like you did at 00:23:305 (5,1) -
00:45:995 (3) - making this one straight to follow the stream (00:45:082 (2,3,4,5,6) - ) would look better
00:48:279 (2) - don't really understand why you'd put a reverse slider there. as for this one 00:49:498 (2) - it might be fitting (though I'd still prefer two 1/2 sliders), but this one doesn't support the music
00:53:153 (2) - ^
01:21:631 (2,3,4) - you didn't use stacks until this, why not make them slightly-not-stacked like you did everywhere else? (yeh I'm talking bout stuff like 01:16:758 (2,4) - )
01:34:423 (10) - I'd make this one a kickslider, fits better I think
01:39:296 (10,11) - ehhhhh sudden flowbreaks are sudden, nasty af. stacking those with (4) and (5) would improve playability a lot
01:49:042 (11,12) - y u no space those

fun

nino
00:18:127 (3,4) - this stack looks kinda random
00:20:716 (3,4) - change this one to a triple plzz

not much to say, neat diff!

gl!
Alheak

MadHypnofrog wrote:

m4m with akanya!

alheak
00:14:016 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - eh I'd rather not repeat the pattern from 00:09:142 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - there cause a different sound appears in the background not sure if i get your point completely, but i'm focusing on the guitar for those patterns so i don't think breaking the consistency just because of some changes in the background is a good idea
00:33:051 (5,1) - I'd try to make (5) curved to match (1), like you did at 00:23:305 (5,1) - wouldn't look as good because (5) is too short, and i believe it looks better like that
00:45:995 (3) - making this one straight to follow the stream (00:45:082 (2,3,4,5,6) - ) would look better i like the idea yes
00:48:279 (2) - don't really understand why you'd put a reverse slider there. as for this one 00:49:498 (2) - it might be fitting (though I'd still prefer two 1/2 sliders), but this one doesn't support the music since i'm mostly following the guitar, this allows to emphasize the pause
00:53:153 (2) - ^
01:21:631 (2,3,4) - you didn't use stacks until this, why not make them slightly-not-stacked like you did everywhere else? (yeh I'm talking bout stuff like 01:16:758 (2,4) - ) i kinda agree, but here those stacks would make the pattern look too messy, looks cleaner that way
01:34:423 (10) - I'd make this one a kickslider, fits better I think i like this idea
01:39:296 (10,11) - ehhhhh sudden flowbreaks are sudden, nasty af. stacking those with (4) and (5) would improve playability a lot flowbreaks like those are snappy, they play just fine
01:49:042 (11,12) - y u no space those heh, never thought i'd get a mod to make things harder

fun

gl!
Thank you!

update
fieryrage
http://puu.sh/v1rqz/88e96662da.osu this turned out about .5 stars harder than i wanted it to be but its finished

edit: did some self modding lul
Net0

Regraz wrote:

[Net0's Advanced]
00:18:736 (6,2) - This may not be a good idea because the two sliders are placed almost on the same position, which could confuse some players with readability issues. Changed it, I ctrol+j this slider 00:18:736 (6) - and changed the position as requested
00:31:985 (3,1) - Their slider-bodies are too closed.Yes they're, but what's the problem here?
00:42:950 (4,1) - I think the DS should be kept consistent.Fixed
00:43:330 (1) - Wondering if the recovery time would be too short for this difficulty.This is a in between difficulty (normal - hard) so I wondered about that too Regraz. Didn't know if the spinner guideline I should apply is the one from normal or hard on this matter. I can change that without a problem, but for now 2 beats gap seems reasonable.
01:32:367 (1,1) - This is definitly too short.Fixed
01:42:341 (2) - This feels too long. Try some rhythm like this: https://puu.sh/uWYjS/67d4bbab1b.png Applied your rhythm
01:43:255 (6) - This multiple reverse slider is too sudden.Changed it to two 1/2 sliders 01:43:255 (6,7) -
01:56:200 (7,1) - Stacking 3/2 may not be a good idea. (For readability issue as well.)It's not stacked anymore
01:59:093 (1,2) - Problem with this part is, the downbeats are placed on slider-ends. Try to Ctrl+G them in rhythm.This rhythm here is really focused on the guitar sound, that's why the snare is on the slidersend. It's just a choice I made here about going along with the guitar instead of the drum snare.
Thanks for mod
update
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fieryrage
http://puu.sh/v3Uje/89a62b2b9e.osu self mod again

now i wait for mods since im basically the only diff without them xDDDD
anna apple
puxtu told me make insane to help fill the gap. I took hitsounding from alheaks diff already. NiNo's doesn't have hitsounds.

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Alheak
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puxtu
updated and also changed alheak and fiery's diff name
cedar
aa here are my short opinions, at puxtu's request: feb's: I don't really understand the spacing, it all seems underdone. the patterns I guess make sense with the guitar pitches, but eh. fiery's: it's fun, I like it as is. alheak's: the difficulty from weird stream shapes is much more than the difficulty from jumps. maybe buff jumps a bit, but idk.
Alheak
mhh, that makes sense i guess, the jumps are kinda underwhelming for the sections they're mapped on compared to the streams, i'll see what i can do
fieryrage
got some1s feedback on circle size and slider velocity on the 1/4 repeats, toned up circle size and toned down repeat velocity
also 00:26:046 (1) - there was apparently a finish on the sliderend here lol woops

http://puu.sh/vdc2e/2ea7477d8d.osu
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