Abraxos wrote:

a case against this map:


how completely disgusting of you to say such a thing to someone who's trying to help.
I dont need "luck" to rank my map, any thing wrong with that?

you're ignoring his point about the patterns neglecting the song as it is; if you believe that your current pattern is fine then stand up to the point and make a case for yourself instead of asking, again, someone who's trying to help you improve your map to "make a map themselves to their liking". i'm sorry but we all share the ranked section so whether you like it or not you will have to stand up for yourself and take responsibility for your own things
His think his pattern is better and I think mine is better, just different mapping choice between different mapper, why should i explain more. If you want more explanation, "i think my pattern fits the music more" simple as that. As you said we all share the ranked section, then people should try to accept different mapping idea instead of focusing someone to accept their mod

before you argue that "you're the one who's being attacked here" stop yourself for a minute and think whether or not these people care enough about you to attack you or care about the quality of the rank section
its the wording, using words like "your map is a mess" "should remap this whole section", and still call it a help? no thank you


i think this shows not only me but everyone else how victimized you believe you are. of all the things and people and systems in the world to blame and you never thought to take a look at yourself and what you've actually done.
I would like to know what you mean by "what i've done".

i can only hope you wake up from it and actually start taking responsibility for your own map.

i apologize if this comes off as aggressive but i do not like it and will never stand for it when people shirk themselves in a corner when criticism arrives and point to the "oppressor" and scream how they're being "unreasonably being attacked".
err... pls dont try to guess my thought here

edit: i'm not continuing this mod, i don't see a reason to when the mapper is this entrenched in his own victim complexes

speedcore

[PATTERNING]
00:12:693 (12693|3,12808|2) - no attempt at differentiation even though there's bass beats?
00:13:500 (13500|2,13616|0) - similarly, i won't repeat myself

00:19:385 (19385|3,19385|0,19616|3,19616|0) - different pitches?

i'm not sure if you noticed but
00:19:616 (19616|0,19731|1,19846|0,19962|1,20077|0) - 1
00:21:577 (21577|1,21693|0,21808|1,21923|0) - 2
00:23:308 (23308|0,23423|1,23539|0,23654|1,23770|0) - 3
why do all of them center on the same hand?
i would understand if 1 & 3 utilized the same patterning cause the song repeats but 2 is eehh

00:26:193 (26193|0,26308|2,26308|0) - i get what you're trying to do here but sorry it's not doing what you think it does
00:28:039 (28039|0,28154|1,28154|0) - if you take a closer listen the one above is completely different in pitch and tone, yet both are represented in the same column

00:31:962 (31962|3,31962|2,32077|2,32077|3) - are they the same pitch? if not why are they in the same column then $$

00:32:539 (32539|2,32539|1,32770|0,32770|3) - funnily enough, these are the same pitches - yet they lack the representation as shown above
you copy pasted didn't you

reference $$ and %% for this point
00:34:385 (34385|2,34385|1,34616|3,34616|0) - you hear those wobs in the song? yeah you could've used those to your advantage by differentiating your doubles here but alas $$ and this are the same so nope this whole section has completely no nuance. add on %% and i think you should be able to see why people are complaining about how plain this map is

00:50:077 (50077|0,50193|0,50308|0,50423|0) - this is horrendous to play as a starting burst
00:50:712 (50712|3,50770|3) - this one is pretty bad, 260 jumptrills and then a minijack? it's not that there's anything wrong layering-wise, i just take issue with how sudden this one is, which is kinda the music's fault but then again it's not like you didn't have the freedom to make it less awkward

let's talk patterning now

00:50:308 (50308|1,50308|0,50366|2,50366|3,50423|0,50423|1,50481|3,50481|2) - i'm pretty darn sure this is a different bass beat than
00:50:539 (50539|0,50539|1,50596|2,50596|3,50654|1,50654|0,50712|2,50712|3) - so i don't understand why they're all bunched up in this jumptrill

01:08:770 (68770|1,68770|3,69000|1,69000|3) - different pitches, same column

01:11:885 (71885|0,71885|3,72000|2,72000|3) - these are the notes that have the same pitches, yes?
01:12:000 (72000|3,72000|2,72116|2,72116|3) - if yes to above, then why are these then the same columns?

01:16:846 (76846|2,76846|3,77077|2,77077|1,77308|0,77308|1) -
01:18:693 (78693|2,78693|3,78923|0,78923|1,79154|2,79154|3) -
we agree that these are the same pitches of notes, yes?
then why are they patterned differently?

01:21:693 (81693|3,81693|0,81693|2,81808|1) - you couldn't keep the jacking up here?
01:22:154 (82154|3,82154|0,82270|1) - here too?
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9283807 - i dont see why you wouldn't want to keep the difficulty here at least somewhat consistent

01:27:173 (87173|0,87231|0) - this has no justification layering-wise so i'm putting it here - why end this part on a jack?

pay attention to which hand all the notes i highlight land on
01:27:693 (87693|3,87693|2,87808|2,87808|3) -
01:28:039 (88039|2,88039|3,88154|3,88270|2,88270|3,88385|2,88385|3,88500|3,88500|2) -
01:28:731 (88731|2,88731|3,88846|3,88846|2) -
01:29:077 (89077|2,89077|3,89193|3,89193|2) -
01:29:539 (89539|2,89539|3,89654|3,89654|2) -
01:29:885 (89885|3,90000|3,90116|3) -
01:31:385 (91385|3,91500|2,91500|3,91616|3,91616|2) -
01:31:846 (91846|2,91846|3,91962|3,92077|2,92077|3,92193|2,92193|3) -
01:32:423 (92423|3,92423|2,92539|2,92539|3) -
01:32:770 (92770|3,92770|2,92885|3,92885|2,93000|3) -

can you see anything wrong with how the whole section is layering? do you think (at least for the beginning of the section) the section is a bit heavy on the right?
and before you bring up the "this section is right then left" 01:29:539 - and 01:30:231 - disqualifies it
not that it has any merit to begin with, why would you want to make the section alternatingly right-left biased

this song is horrible to chart, 01:27:693 - i perfectly understand how you didn't want to overload this section and it's really not that much your fault than it is the song (kobaryo is generally pretty meh anyway)

01:30:923 (90923|0,90923|3,91154|0,91154|3) - could've emphasized these more

again,
01:35:193 (95193|3,95193|2,95308|0,95308|1,95423|3,95423|2) -
01:37:039 (97039|3,97039|2,97154|1,97154|0,97270|2,97270|1) -
same beats but different representation

01:36:462 (96462|1,96462|0,96577|2,96577|3) - i don't get why the bass beats don't get the jack but 01:36:577 (96577|2,96577|3,96693|3,96693|0) - the bass-woob ones do, it just misplaces your emphasis on the bass here and makes everything seem messy and convoluted

01:37:500 (97500|1,97500|0,97616|1,97616|0,97731|0) - i don't understand this one




[LAYERING]
complete mess

00:17:193 - there's a bass beat here
00:19:270 - hihat

00:20:885 - bass beat, don't skimp on the double just because it's after muh triple there's still emphasis there

00:26:423 - 00:30:116 - hihat

00:30:462 (30462|1,30462|0,30462|3) - why are these notes emphasized to such an extreme? i don't hear any crashes

00:37:154 - not sure why you ignored the 1/4s here, it's not like you couldn't have done a normal 1/4 stream just for this part because hey there's actually differentiation in this song that you can use to make your map less copy pasted maybe %%
00:37:962 (37962|2,38077|3,38077|0,38193|1) - same as above, you could've done some sort of jack progression but nope nothing %%

00:51:000 (51000|0,51116|0,51231|0) - quirky layering
00:51:000 (51000|2,51000|0,51000|3,51231|2,51231|0,51231|3) - because these are the same triples - why are they the same

let's talk hypocrisy

00:52:212 (52212|3,52327|0) - these can very readily be argued as ghost notes, but for the sake of patterning and my argument let's say these are allowed
then 00:53:135 - 00:53:250 - 00:53:366 - are all inconsistent and fucked by that because they all have that same "note echo"
not only that, 00:52:616 - the patterning itself becomes really right-heavy
in summary, i don't see why you shouldn't remove those "note echo" notes because they're a) messing up the patterning and b) structurally inconsistent

00:53:770 - to 00:54:462 - there are 1/4 snares here you skipped over

01:02:308 - this snare is so blatantly missed
even if you make the argument "hey i'm only following the synths" it just seems lazy to me that you could not have tried to incorporate them into your patterning somehow? because they're part of the song you're trying to chart here and shouldn't we as charters be striving to represent the song as well as possible?

01:08:193 (68193|0,68308|0,68308|1) - either
a) you make them not stack because they're not the same pitches or
b) 01:08:193 - you make this a double

01:10:962 - snare
before you argue that you're mostly following the synths here 01:09:923 (69923|0) - 01:11:770 (71770|1) - you might want to consider that these notes lead players into thinking that percussion is actually being followed too. if you so want to make it such that you don't have to place a note at 01:10:962 - then you better make sure that the synth sections are actually distinct from each other in this section

01:16:154 - a bit weird how there's no notes here just LN releases

01:23:539 - you can most definitely have LNs here
01:21:923 - 01:23:770 - these are the same wubs actually
01:25:385 - NOW this one is inexcusable because there's no wub sound anywhere; besides the fact that this shows some measurable form of incompetency in basic layering understanding i think it shows that you're copy-pasting too

01:25:616 - wub here btw but it's fine if you ignore this one

01:25:846 - i guess you hands are bound layering-wise but i still wouldn't regard this as optimal, you could've very well done a jumpstream which emphasizes more on the synths in the music
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9283841 - something like this might even work fine, even though it's a bit crude as of now

01:35:885 (95885|1,95885|0,95885|3,96116|0,96116|1,96116|3) - same triple but different pitch?
01:35:885 (95885|3,96000|3,96116|3) - it's also why you get these things

01:42:000 - not sure why this is doubled really, there's no strong sound except for a yawn which seems pretty soft to me

RemFangirl wrote:

Okay, so I'm actually kinda looking forward to the modding discussion and feel like I'll say a word about this one.
First, I actually played the 2 hardest diffs on this map, and I can completely say this is legit pp giveaway. Given that this map isn't hard to play mainly because of the absurd spamming trills, you're not supposed to do that in the similar fashion to the genre has in this song. Sure, it's a really upbeat speedcore, but that doesn't mean your pattern is justifiable and can go on like "oh, this map has lots of tricky rhythmical structure, probably I should go with the hard stuffs and repetitive things on and on". Do not even try to get this one in a ranked state even with a situation like this.
Not like i'm the one who set the high SR, i map what i think its correct, if you dont agree then you are welcome to point out, but i wouldnt accept things like "because this is easy pp so you should make the pattern structure harder" no
Second and lastly, you are even trying to ignore what the modders will give out better solutions for you.
I reply each mod with my reason, i cant agree with the modder =/= i ignore their mod. Think again
Not even anyone could chart maps perfectly in just a single try. Yours are too. since when i say my map is perfect
You're completely impolite to just bang those aside and drop it like it's not even a regular feedback for you. Look all of those ranting feedbacks in Disqus if you do need those reviews. So keep that in mind. if you want people to take your post seriously, then you shouldnt do it on disqus, that section is for meme

In either today or tomorrow, I'll be trying to look over on this stuff and will give out my personal opinion on my revision to this.

YaHao wrote:

if you want people to take your post seriously, then you shouldnt do it on disqus, that section is for meme

qqqant wrote:

YaHao wrote:

if you want people to take your post seriously, then you shouldnt do it on disqus, that section is for meme

some of the posts on there are actually serious though. i must admit, most of them are jokes, but saying this just comes to show that you didnt really read the comments section through.

qqqant wrote:

wanting to make a pp map is basically implied in your p//s jumpstream section to which what is mapped in that section is completely different to what is in the song.

also, just wanted to say something about the difficulty name... it's even worse than naming your diff "POP MUSIC!!" in a kpop song, as evening put it

YaHao wrote:

post it here if you want my reply/thought, in case you dont know, thats how modding work

YaHao wrote:

qqqant wrote:

wanting to make a pp map is basically implied in your p//s jumpstream section to which what is mapped in that section is completely different to what is in the song.

also, just wanted to say something about the difficulty name... it's even worse than naming your diff "POP MUSIC!!" in a kpop song, as evening put it

00:52:673 (52673|0,52904|0) - there isnt even any sound here. remove these and 00:52:731 (52731|3,52731|2,52789|1,52789|0,52846|2,52846|3) - Ctrl+H this //hihat
Because i didnt remove the notes as its for hihat, so the Ctrl+H will also be rejected. Do i really need to explain this much?

YaHao wrote:

Abraxos wrote:

a case against this map:


you're ignoring his point about the patterns neglecting the song as it is; if you believe that your current pattern is fine then stand up to the point and make a case for yourself instead of asking, again, someone who's trying to help you improve your map to "make a map themselves to their liking". i'm sorry but we all share the ranked section so whether you like it or not you will have to stand up for yourself and take responsibility for your own things
His think his pattern is better and I think mine is better, just different mapping choice between different mapper, why should i explain more. If you want more explanation, "i think my pattern fits the music more" simple as that. As you said we all share the ranked section, then people should try to accept different mapping idea instead of focusing someone to accept their mod

you're missing the point again, can you explain why you chose these patterns that neglect the song at that point in time or are you going to resort to meta-critical analysis of "different" mapping choices and preferences? you're right to say that we should accept different ideas but then you lose that critical filter for quality and suddenly all kinds of garbage are now acceptable because "hey, we should accept different ideas right?"

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before you argue that "you're the one who's being attacked here" stop yourself for a minute and think whether or not these people care enough about you to attack you or care about the quality of the rank section
its the wording, using words like "your map is a mess" "should remap this whole section", and still call it a help? no thank you

i'm sorry but nowhere in this thread does it say "kindergarten". you're in the real world, learn to deal with harsh criticism and learn to filter out the points that are actually useful for you rather than getting hurt because of wording and shutting down discussion

since you DID bring up wording as an issue let me produce a gallery of when your wording is inappropriate too:

how completely disgusting of you to say such a thing to someone who's trying to help.
I dont need "luck" to rank my map, any thing wrong with that?

oh, so people wishing you well is grounds for you to be condescending towards them then?



calling the other modder incompetent? is that fine by you too?

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i think this shows not only me but everyone else how victimized you believe you are. of all the things and people and systems in the world to blame and you never thought to take a look at yourself and what you've actually done.
I would like to know what you mean by "what i've done".

the map? you made this map? you did the mapping for this thing? you're accountable for the map aren't you?

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i apologize if this comes off as aggressive but i do not like it and will never stand for it when people shirk themselves in a corner when criticism arrives and point to the "oppressor" and scream how they're being "unreasonably being attacked".
err... pls dont try to guess my thought here

then tell me what you actually think then, because so far you've only showed how wilfully ignorant you are being

if you want further elaboration on that i'll give you some



so feedback in the discus = useless then?



so feedback HAS to be in the thread or else your point is useless then?



oh, so wanting drums to be a double and a kick be a triple is "boring"?
calling other people's maps boring? without even doing what they did with your chart - mod them? is this fine too?



so when other people explicitly tell you that a section is boring you as a mapper decide that it's better to just straight up say that it isn't boring rather than explain the mechanics behind the section and stand up to the chart to at least try to help players understand why it isn't boring in your eyes; to facilitate discussion

Abraxos wrote:

a case against this map:


you're ignoring his point about the patterns neglecting the song as it is; if you believe that your current pattern is fine then stand up to the point and make a case for yourself instead of asking, again, someone who's trying to help you improve your map to "make a map themselves to their liking". i'm sorry but we all share the ranked section so whether you like it or not you will have to stand up for yourself and take responsibility for your own things
His think his pattern is better and I think mine is better, just different mapping choice between different mapper, why should i explain more. If you want more explanation, "i think my pattern fits the music more" simple as that. As you said we all share the ranked section, then people should try to accept different mapping idea instead of focusing someone to accept their mod
I dont think LN is necessary as that section is clam, no need to add more intensity
you're missing the point again, can you explain why you chose these patterns that neglect the song at that point in time or are you going to resort to meta-critical analysis of "different" mapping choices and preferences? you're right to say that we should accept different ideas but then you lose that critical filter for quality and suddenly all kinds of garbage are now acceptable because "hey, we should accept different ideas right?"
you may think its garbage, but other people might have different thought, important thing is to find a agreement that satisfy both side
before you argue that "you're the one who's being attacked here" stop yourself for a minute and think whether or not these people care enough about you to attack you or care about the quality of the rank section
its the wording, using words like "your map is a mess" "should remap this whole section", and still call it a help? no thank you

i'm sorry but nowhere in this thread does it say "kindergarten". you're in the real world, learn to deal with harsh criticism and learn to filter out the points that are actually useful for you rather than getting hurt because of wording and shutting down discussion
how is this become "shutting down discussion", i reply every mod and if anyone want to continues i'm happy to do so
since you DID bring up wording as an issue let me produce a gallery of when your wording is inappropriate too:

how completely disgusting of you to say such a thing to someone who's trying to help.
I dont need "luck" to rank my map, any thing wrong with that?

oh, so wishing people well is grounds for you to be condescending towards them then?



calling the other modder incompetent? is that fine by you too?
again, where is this "calling the other modder incompetent" come from. If he cant even explain himself well, how can i understand his mod??


i think this shows not only me but everyone else how victimized you believe you are. of all the things and people and systems in the world to blame and you never thought to take a look at yourself and what you've actually done.
I would like to know what you mean by "what i've done".

the map? you made this map? you did the mapping for this thing? you're accountable for the map aren't you?

i apologize if this comes off as aggressive but i do not like it and will never stand for it when people shirk themselves in a corner when criticism arrives and point to the "oppressor" and scream how they're being "unreasonably being attacked".
err... pls dont try to guess my thought here

then tell me what you actually think then, because so far you've only showed how wilfully ignorant you are being

if you want further elaboration on that i'll give you some



so feedback in the discus = useless then?



so feedback HAS to be in the thread or else your point is useless then?//I dont have the time to check thru the whole disqus and tell which one is being serious which is not, if they dont even bother to post it here, then why should i care. And i never say such thing like all of them are useless, they might have value point but if they want to voice it, post it here



oh, so wanting drums to be a double and a kick be a triple is "boring"? //mapping is not just about stick to one single rule



so when other people explicitly tell you that a section is boring you as a mapper decide that it's better to just straight up say that it isn't boring rather than explain the mechanics behind the section and stand up to the chart to at least try to help players understand why it isn't boring in your eyes; to facilitate discussion

YaHao wrote:

//just because i didnt map the 1/8 doesnt mean i'm not listening to the music

YaHao wrote:

His think his pattern is better and I think mine is better, just different mapping choice between different mapper, why should i explain more. If you want more explanation, "i think my pattern fits the music more" simple as that.

YaHao wrote:

As you said we all share the ranked section, then people should try to accept different mapping idea instead of focusing someone to accept their mod

YaHao wrote:

@Seiryuu
If I dont care at all why am I still here replying this, post your thought on thread, thats the basic thing if you want to help the map. Next time i migh as well PM everyone to ask their opinion on my map
2 posts without any timing and here you say "changing my attitude will help the map better" that really helps a lot, thank you

snexe wrote:

mlem

YaHao wrote:

@Abraxos
Dont take something out of context, I believe a mod with helps more than focus on my attitude.
How can you define what is boring what is not, some maps i found boring but seems a lots of people like them, everyone is different. That section is quite clam, simple pattern will do the work, how is this hard to understand

Abraxos wrote:

speedcore

[PATTERNING]
00:12:693 (12693|3,12808|2) - no attempt at differentiation even though there's bass beats? //i dont think i had follow any bass in the previous part so no for this
00:13:500 (13500|2,13616|0) - similarly, i won't repeat myself

00:19:385 (19385|3,19385|0,19616|3,19616|0) - different pitches? //they are different, but here i'm not really concern about the pitch plus they are 1/1 beat between, wouldnt really affect game play

i'm not sure if you noticed but
00:19:616 (19616|0,19731|1,19846|0,19962|1,20077|0) - 1
00:21:577 (21577|1,21693|0,21808|1,21923|0) - 2
00:23:308 (23308|0,23423|1,23539|0,23654|1,23770|0) - 3
why do all of them center on the same hand? //if the pattern around are balanced why not
i would understand if 1 & 3 utilized the same patterning cause the song repeats but 2 is eehh //how is 2 same as the 1and 3

00:26:193 (26193|0,26308|2,26308|0) - i get what you're trying to do here but sorry it's not doing what you think it does
00:28:039 (28039|0,28154|1,28154|0) - if you take a closer listen the one above is completely different in pitch and tone, yet both are represented in the same column //jack here are more for the intensity as the song slowly build up

00:31:962 (31962|3,31962|2,32077|2,32077|3) - are they the same pitch? if not why are they in the same column then $$
//same explanation as above, to build up the intensity
00:32:539 (32539|2,32539|1,32770|0,32770|3) - funnily enough, these are the same pitches - yet they lack the representation as shown above //funny enough that you think you can follow every pitch 100% correct in a 4k map, perhaps you didnt notice that i use (14)(23) pattern each time the music repeat
you copy pasted didn't you //you tell me

reference $$ and %% for this point
00:34:385 (34385|2,34385|1,34616|3,34616|0) - you hear those wobs in the song? yeah you could've used those to your advantage by differentiating your doubles here but alas $$ and this are the same so nope this whole section has completely no nuance. add on %% and i think you should be able to see why people are complaining about how plain this map is

00:50:077 (50077|0,50193|0,50308|0,50423|0) - this is horrendous to play as a starting burst //i dont see why its bad, if we not deleting any notes, 4th col also got 7notes only in different snap but you didnt point it out, i assume thats ok for you?
00:50:712 (50712|3,50770|3) - this one is pretty bad, 260 jumptrills and then a minijack? it's not that there's anything wrong layering-wise, i just take issue with how sudden this one is, which is kinda the music's fault but then again it's not like you didn't have the freedom to make it less awkward // thats the only 1/4 jack thru the whole kiai, and its the first sound of the burst

let's talk patterning now

00:50:308 (50308|1,50308|0,50366|2,50366|3,50423|0,50423|1,50481|3,50481|2) - i'm pretty darn sure this is a different bass beat than
00:50:539 (50539|0,50539|1,50596|2,50596|3,50654|1,50654|0,50712|2,50712|3) - so i don't understand why they're all bunched up in this jumptrill //if i'm keeping the current notes amount, (12)(34) will be the best solution here, unless you want me to change the second part to (14)(23) in order to show that changing

01:08:770 (68770|1,68770|3,69000|1,69000|3) - different pitches, same column //mapping is not just about pitch, plus its a 1/1 gap in between

01:11:885 (71885|0,71885|3,72000|2,72000|3) - these are the notes that have the same pitches, yes?
01:12:000 (72000|3,72000|2,72116|2,72116|3) - if yes to above, then why are these then the same columns? //because i want to keep the triple, as the previous pattern is double, you will always have at least one note thats in the same col

01:16:846 (76846|2,76846|3,77077|2,77077|1,77308|0,77308|1) -
01:18:693 (78693|2,78693|3,78923|0,78923|1,79154|2,79154|3) -
we agree that these are the same pitches of notes, yes?
then why are they patterned differently? fundamentally one has chords layered over each other but one doesn't so your "variety" explanation doesn't hold up cause of how differently they actually play. //these part are remapped, cant really reply

01:21:693 (81693|3,81693|0,81693|2,81808|1) - you couldn't keep the jacking up here?
01:22:154 (82154|3,82154|0,82270|1) - here too?
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9283807 - i dont see why you wouldn't want to keep the difficulty here at least somewhat consistent //same here, i've remapped this part

01:27:173 (87173|0,87231|0) - this has no justification layering-wise so i'm putting it here - why end this part on a jack? //finish sound, it deserve more impact

pay attention to which hand all the notes i highlight land on
01:27:693 (87693|3,87693|2,87808|2,87808|3) -
01:28:039 (88039|2,88039|3,88154|3,88270|2,88270|3,88385|2,88385|3,88500|3,88500|2) -
01:28:731 (88731|2,88731|3,88846|3,88846|2) -
01:29:077 (89077|2,89077|3,89193|3,89193|2) -
01:29:539 (89539|2,89539|3,89654|3,89654|2) -
01:29:885 (89885|3,90000|3,90116|3) -
01:31:385 (91385|3,91500|2,91500|3,91616|3,91616|2) -
01:31:846 (91846|2,91846|3,91962|3,92077|2,92077|3,92193|2,92193|3) -
01:32:423 (92423|3,92423|2,92539|2,92539|3) -
01:32:770 (92770|3,92770|2,92885|3,92885|2,93000|3) -

can you see anything wrong with how the whole section is layering? do you think (at least for the beginning of the section) the section is a bit heavy on the right?
and before you bring up the "this section is right then left" 01:29:539 - and 01:30:231 - disqualifies it
not that it has any merit to begin with, why would you want to make the section alternatingly right-left biased //from 01:27:693 - till 01:29:308 - , the amount of notes in right is 21 and left is 19, i dont see how is this "heavy on right", the right col are more focus on the 1/2 jack and left is more of 1/4, mix them up will just make the pattern less enjoyable

this song is horrible to chart, 01:27:693 - i perfectly understand how you didn't want to overload this section and it's really not that much your fault than it is the song (kobaryo is generally pretty meh anyway)

01:30:923 (90923|0,90923|3,91154|0,91154|3) - could've emphasized these more //thats why the SV is added here, to emphasize the vocal

again,
01:35:193 (95193|3,95193|2,95308|0,95308|1,95423|3,95423|2) -
01:37:039 (97039|3,97039|2,97154|1,97154|0,97270|2,97270|1) -
same beats but different representation

01:36:462 (96462|1,96462|0,96577|2,96577|3) - i don't get why the bass beats don't get the jack but 01:36:577 (96577|2,96577|3,96693|3,96693|0) - the bass-woob ones do, it just misplaces your emphasis on the bass here and makes everything seem messy and convoluted //because bass beat is not the focusing here

01:37:500 (97500|1,97500|0,97616|1,97616|0,97731|0) - i don't understand this one //why not, its still balance as the previous jack 01:37:270 (97270|2,97385|2,97385|3,97500|3) - all lay on the right hand




[LAYERING]
complete mess //and you want me to reply you politely

00:17:193 - there's a bass beat here // as the long sound appear, ignore other sound will bring more attention to the long sound which is the sound i wan to follow
00:19:270 - hihat // so i can focus on the 00:18:923 (18923|0,18923|3,19154|0,19154|2,19385|3,19385|0) - main sound

00:20:885 - bass beat, don't skimp on the double just because it's after muh triple there's still emphasis there //my double is for main sound, not bass beat

00:26:423 - 00:30:116 - hihat //like my previous explanation, mapping is not map everything you hear, you need to choose wisely

00:30:462 (30462|1,30462|0,30462|3) - why are these notes emphasized to such an extreme? i don't hear any crashes //first sound of the main sound as each time it repeat

00:37:154 - not sure why you ignored the 1/4s here, it's not like you couldn't have done a normal 1/4 stream just for this part because hey there's actually differentiation in this song that you can use to make your map less copy pasted maybe %%
// i can barely tell thats a 1/4 under 100% play speed, if its not that noticeable, i dont think its worthy to add note
00:37:962 (37962|2,38077|3,38077|0,38193|1) - same as above, you could've done some sort of jack progression but nope nothing %%

00:51:000 (51000|0,51116|0,51231|0) - quirky layering
00:51:000 (51000|2,51000|0,51000|3,51231|2,51231|0,51231|3) - because these are the same triples - why are they the same // 00:50:770 (50770|0,50770|1,50885|1,50885|2,51000|2,51000|3,51231|2,51231|3,51346|2,51346|1,51462|1,51462|0) - i think now u can see why

let's talk hypocrisy

00:52:212 (52212|3,52327|0) - these can very readily be argued as ghost notes, but for the sake of patterning and my argument let's say these are allowed
then 00:53:135 - 00:53:250 - 00:53:366 - are all inconsistent and fucked by that because they all have that same "note echo"
not only that, 00:52:616 - the patterning itself becomes really right-heavy
in summary, i don't see why you shouldn't remove those "note echo" notes because they're a) messing up the patterning and b) structurally inconsistent
//00:53:077 - as the pitch of the main sound goes up,to bring attention on the main sound, i ignore other sound so player wouldnt confuse

00:53:770 - to 00:54:462 - there are 1/4 snares here you skipped over //why you want the pattern to have more intensity when the song itself starts calming down

01:02:308 - this snare is so blatantly missed
even if you make the argument "hey i'm only following the synths" it just seems lazy to me that you could not have tried to incorporate them into your patterning somehow? because they're part of the song you're trying to chart here and shouldn't we as charters be striving to represent the song as well as possible? //follow more sound=/=it represent the song better.

01:08:193 (68193|0,68308|0,68308|1) - either
a) you make them not stack because they're not the same pitches or
b) 01:08:193 - you make this a double //jack because the rhythm start changing

01:10:962 - snare
before you argue that you're mostly following the synths here 01:09:923 (69923|0) - 01:11:770 (71770|1) - you might want to consider that these notes lead players into thinking that percussion is actually being followed too. if you so want to make it such that you don't have to place a note at 01:10:962 - then you better make sure that the synth sections are actually distinct from each other in this section
//i dont find it misleading, the synths are well followed

01:16:154 - a bit weird how there's no notes here just LN releases //dont find it weird as thats not even a finish sound

01:23:539 - you can most definitely have LNs here
01:21:923 - 01:23:770 - these are the same wubs actually
N01:25:385 -OW this one is inexcusable because there's no wub sound anywhere; besides the fact that this shows some measurable form of incompetency in basic layering understanding i think it shows that you're copy-pasting too
//cant reply to the 3 points above as i already remap this part

01:25:616 - wub here btw but it's fine if you ignore this one

01:25:846 - i guess you hands are bound layering-wise but i still wouldn't regard this as optimal, you could've very well done a jumpstream which emphasizes more on the synths in the music //guess we have differnt choice on this section then
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9283841 - something like this might even work fine, even though it's a bit crude as of now

01:35:885 (95885|1,95885|0,95885|3,96116|0,96116|1,96116|3) - same triple but different pitch? //i ignore the pitch here
01:35:885 (95885|3,96000|3,96116|3) - it's also why you get these things //i dont see how move 01:36:116 (96116|3) - to 3th coll will make any better

01:42:000 - not sure why this is doubled really, there's no strong sound except for a yawn which seems pretty soft to me //thats why i'm using double not triple

Feerum wrote:

Greetings.

YaHao requested a disqualify to me. It seems the map can have a bit more of discussion.

I also want to warn everyone because the language got pretty rude at some points. Keep everything on a polite level. Do not start to get passive aggressive because this is what both side's do, Mapper and Modder.
Make sure to follow the Code of Conduct with Mod posts/reply's.

Everything unrelated to this discussion will get deleted and punished in future.

Seiryuu wrote:

Completely unnecessary reply, how else do you want him to tell you the truth?

"I'm sorry sir but your plate of uncooked rice isn't very well done, here are the steps to make it better."

Grow up.

Seiryuu wrote:

Beatmap got unranked, it gives me a chance to come back and IMPROVE it, no need to get mad. Still thinking about modding but i'm quite sure everything's gonna get rejected because of your "Special" type of layering. Also if I don't understand your layering, that just means that an even larger part of the community won't.
Edit: Forgot to reply to Yahao's first point so here it is.
I'm pretty sure I have more charting & playing experience than you, so don't come whining about how I don't understand your chart, it clearly is a mess.


"The irony is that your example is actually the proper way to do it"

It's literally the truth, not trying to make any drama happen, but he HAS to accept it.
There's no need to sugarcoat anyone's words at all, speaking your mind is fine, isn't it, or are BNs and Mappers now so delicate that you have to treat them with care so that they don't explode?

Damn this community really has fallen quite a bit.

Don't make this a repeat of what happened before, if you WANT to continue the drama then go ahead, from my point of view everything is resolved properly. You know who I'm talking about.

juankristal wrote:

maybe I am just crazy idk.

TheNewBungping wrote:

OK, I wanna be involve in this map, so some mods

1|2|3|4

SPEEDCORE!! (should change to "Speedcore!!" so that it's consistent with other diffs)

00:33:346 add a note on 4 because it represents the melody more and it will also this part more balanced //the double in this section are only for the synths, i wouldnt add note just because i will make the pattern balance
00:37:039 ^
02:27:808 ^
02:31:500 add a note on 1 (same reason with above)

00:35:308 more balanced if move note on 3 to 2 //then you will have 2 jacks on the left hand, i dont see how this could make it balance
00:38:308 melody changed so maybe use variation such as https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9286064 //dont think that will be necessary
02:29:770 move note on 2 to 3 (same reason with 00:35:308)


00:48:116 looks unflow + unbalanced, so here's a suggestion that fix that and also give the part a bit of pitch relevancy https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9286105 // i make the first 2 triple same col so when change col on the 3th triple, it gives more impact
02:42:577 ^ (move note here on 2 to 1 too so it would be better flow) //1st col is already quite heavy

00:50:077 balancing pls (move note on 3 to 2)
02:44:539 ^ //prefer the current

01:00:923 (I dunno if my opinion here is rankable, but maybe do some sv lines according to the music on the break part here") //why add sv when there is no note

01:30:923 as a gimmick maybe? https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9286162 //how is this vocal become 1/8

01:43:154 - 01:44:770 pitch relevancy a bit would be great like so https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9286204
01:47:308 for balance on the part above, move 2 to 4

ok that's abt it

error_exe777 wrote:

stumbled across this and the drama i fucking love drama

top diff:

01:25:846 - used jumptrills here. ive got no problem lmao

01:38:770 - but here you didn't? //the sounds are totally different, why even compare them. Plus a 5s trills will be pain to play

i understand the second example is a longer section, but it could have some variation so it’s not identical:

you can have you're normal jump trills until 01:39:808 - where it has some capability for some 1/8 rolls, and 01:40:039 - here for some more complex patterns where it asks for it.

then when you repeat the jumptrills here 01:40:616 - you can use a different pattern eg 14-23-14-23 etc etc for variation. //dont really want to overuse trill here but others apply

also, 01:41:077 - can have some 1/8 since its there i guess???????? //its there, but i want to focus on the main sound more

now, if you're avoiding them for a good reason ignore everything but it just seemed a bit odd and/or inconsistent

other than that, all the previous concerns pointed out by others are okay imo since variation is a thing and not everything needs to be differen't because the pitch is like one note different or whatever

moderators pls dont kill me

love this map and song. might do a full mod later tbh despite the bn history

Hydria wrote:

i saw there was drama here like 15 hours after it actually happened and instead of reading any of it im just gonna drop a simple mod check regarding mainly consistency and PR

SPEEDCORE MORE LIKE SLOWCORE HAHAHAHAHHA THERE'S A YAWN IN THE SONG 55% IN

it seems like you're charting all the bell sounds as doubles which means 00:03:000 (3000|2) - 00:03:462 (3462|0) - need an extra note (there is a drum accompanying the second one and for the first one 00:03:116 (3116|0,3116|1) - doesn't have a drum accompaniment so there's got to be some consistency here) //i dont think the bell are as strong as the others but will add anyway

because 00:04:154 (4154|1,4154|0) - is a stronger sound you'd think you could maybe place a double otherwise it's sharing the same intensity as other, quieter notes here //k then

00:05:770 (5770|3,5885|1,5885|0) - maybe switch the density around here? seems like it would work better
00:07:616 (7616|0,7731|2,7731|3) - same here //hmm will keep the current as it does make much difference and i prefer the curren pattern

00:07:846 (7846|0,7846|1) - triple density as mentioned before
00:08:770 (8770|0,8770|3) - same

00:09:116 (9116|0,9116|1) - i can't see any reason for this to be a double in comparison to the density in this section //that sound is similar with 00:09:346 -

00:09:635 - sound here but no note (place at col 3) //really hard to notice this 1/4 but added

00:10:385 (10385|0,10385|3,10500|2) - these are both accompanied by the same sound why are they different densities//k

00:13:231 - grace note goes here on col 4 //a note at 1/2 line is enough

00:15:116 - singular 1/2 LN here? there is a sound there and it feels weird going unmapped //can barely hear the sound thru 100% speed but added

sounds like there should be another grace note around 00:16:500 - dunno what snap though //gonna ignore it as its the the focus here

why aren't 00:16:731 (16731|1,16962|0) - the same density as 00:14:654 (14654|3,14654|2,14885|2,14885|3) - //k

00:18:577 (18577|2) - 00:22:270 (22270|1) - why are these not a double? (you mapped it as a double here 00:20:423 (20423|3,20423|2) - ) //the double are used here for the synth sound

00:18:866 - sound here for a note //hard to hear, gonna ignore it

00:26:077 (26077|2) - only non doubled white line major note in these 2 measures, why? //dont think i've use any double for this kind of sound, will keep it single

00:26:193 (26193|0) - i can let off this one being a double because of space but not the previous suggestion

00:27:923 (27923|2) - same here with the white lines
00:29:770 (29770|1) - and here
00:31:616 (31616|2) - and here //they all tended to be single note

00:31:962 (31962|3,31962|2,32077|1,32077|2,32193|1,32193|0) - these should be ascending note descending //repattern a bit

00:33:346 (33346|1) - should be a double //no main sound so leave it single

00:33:462 (33462|3,33462|0) - debatable triple//k

00:40:846 (40846|3,40846|2) - if you're mapping triples for the strong drum beat then at least keep the ones on the white lines consistent //triple are only been used when main sound + snare drum

00:42:693 (42693|3,42693|2,42808|1,42808|0) - why are these two the same densities they're completely different //for the drum yes, they are different, but the drum is not the focus here, and adding another note 00:42:693 - will make a triple jack which is not the pattern i want

00:43:154 (43154|0,43154|3,43212|1,43270|2,43327|3) - either have this as just all singles, a jumptrill or a small js pattern

00:44:539 (44539|3,44539|1) - triple //again, it will make triple jack

if 00:46:270 (46270|0,46270|3,46270|1) - is a triple why isn't 00:46:385 (46385|3,46385|2) - //added

00:46:616 (46616|0,46616|3,46673|1,46731|2,46789|3) - past suggestion about single/double/js //keep double for the second kiai

00:46:846 (46846|0,46846|1) - the switch to just singular vocals doesn't come off that well with a double LN //hmm it works fine imo

there is gonna be one pattern complaint which is 00:52:616 (52616|2,52616|3,52673|0,52731|2,52731|3,52789|1,52789|0,52846|3,52846|2,52904|0,52962|3,52962|2,53020|1,53020|0,53077|2,53077|3) - you can do something like the following and it just works better
//rate 10/10 for this

notes can be placed on 00:53:943 - 00:54:173 - 00:54:404 - //yes, but since the song start to clam down at 00:53:423 - , simple rhythm should works better

01:02:077 (62077|1) - two sounds here = two notes, if not, why is 01:02:193 (62193|3,62193|0) - a double then like the rest of the notes in this section (this will end up effecting like 25% of his section minimum so i'm not writing "same here" for 40 lines, use your best unbiased judgement) //i think notes and LN should count differently here

01:02:308 - why is this completely audible sound just ignored //i decide not to follow this so i can focus on the main sound better, but since you're the 4th person who complain this so yea will add note for this

01:03:231 - same here

01:05:077 - and here (no more repeats)

in fact like that entire section from 01:01:846 - up to 01:09:231 - could use a rework in terms of consistency and density

01:10:616 (70616|0,70846|2) - LNs? or note 01:10:962 - ? //both been added

01:12:000 (72000|2,72000|3) - this has literally no reason to be a double //remove one

01:14:539 (74539|1,74539|2) - this has no strong drum beat to it so should be a single

01:17:539 (77539|1,77539|2,77539|0) - why is this a triple //its the first sound of the repeated main sound

01:19:385 (79385|1,79385|3,79385|0) - same

01:20:308 - until 01:25:616 - either make those notes on white lines doubles or make the notes on red lines doubles as there's a lack of consistency even if you could a held LN as a note in these sections //reworked, should be fine now

01:27:173 (87173|0,87173|1,87231|0) - that's just a bit cheeky //as i want it to be

01:28:500 (88500|3,88500|2,88500|0,88616|1,88616|0,88731|2,88731|0,88731|3) - why not use the 1/8 here //it will ruin the playability if i map them

if no 1/8 there at least make 01:28:500 (88500|3,88500|2,88500|0,88731|2,88731|0,88731|3) - doubles like they should be //they are triple because of the synth sound, quite similar with the triple starting from 01:35:077 -

same 01:30:346 (90346|3,90346|1,90346|0,90577|3,90577|0,90577|1) - or buff 01:30:693 (90693|0,90693|1,90808|2,90808|3) - instead

try 01:30:923 (90923|0,90923|3) - as a singular 1/4 ln and 01:31:154 (91154|3,91154|0) - as a singular 1/2 ln //doesnt play well with the SV

01:31:385 - until 01:34:616 - repeat section

01:35:885 (95885|1,95885|0,95885|3,96116|1,96116|3,96116|0) - why are these triples? it makes no sense because no other strong sound in this section is mapped as triples (01:35:654 (95654|2,95654|0,95654|3) - is fine due to the intensity of the sound it produces) //like i explained

01:36:693 (96693|3,96693|0,96808|2,96808|1) - singles because they're not as strong sounding as the previous notes and then make 01:36:923 (96923|0,96923|3,96923|1) - a double //k

01:38:077 (98077|3,98077|2,98193|0,98193|1) - should both be triples with their intensity //dont think their intensity is that higher than other

map 01:39:808 (99808|0,99808|1,99866|3) - as a double with one note being LN because there's a 1/8 buzz sound here completely ignored and just having it be continuous jumpstream ruins the feeling of this section here //1/8 here will just kill the playability, a 1/4 LN wouldnt make it any better as player will just read it as normal note

01:40:039 (100039|3,100039|2,100096|0,100154|2,100154|1,100212|3,100270|1,100270|0,100327|2) - same here

01:41:077 (101077|3,101077|0,101135|1,101193|3,101193|2,101250|0,101308|2,101308|1,101366|3) - same here

01:41:770 (101770|3,101798|2,101885|3,101914|2) - ctrl-G for switching of intensity (1/8 to 1/16 buzzing sound) //changed

01:42:000 (102000|3,102000|2) - map as one singular 2/1 LN //reduce one note

01:42:462 - until 01:49:846 - EVERY 2/1 note should be a double

01:50:770 - ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

im going to have to stop here for now because i need to wake up in 6 hours but i believe you have the ability to check through the rest of the diff itself to notice any more consistency issues also you better not waive this as a no change because i spent 2 hours on it unbiased over what is essentially objective issues (inconsistency should be counted as objective) and im only here to help (i already modded it once here i go again)

jakads wrote:

This might've been mentioned millions of times before, but I'm gonna point out here

01:27:693 - ~ 01:34:616 - for those sections

I don't really get why you simply skipped the 1/8 drums, they are the most iconic part for Kobaryo, the speedcore artist, hence the diffname.

idk just random complaint

also the amount of notes used seems inconsistent overall, but

juankristal wrote:

maybe I am just crazy idk.

//i doubt the playability if i map the 1/8 fully, some 1/8 are been added for variation, lets see how that work