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Rad-
595 posts
Joined June 2011
Rad-
Hello! From my queue.

General:
- There some sort math image in the folder? Don't know what thats about but doesnt need to be in the mapset.
- Also seems like at least my end, .mp4 videos arent played. Switch for avi?
- The map only has one timing point, its all 177bpms, so remove all of the timing points except for the first one, and instead replace them with inherited points (the green lines)
- For this to be ranked you still need to create an Easy and a Normal


Hard
Seems like you chose to use the rare CS3 on a Hard difficulty, which is fine, but also is kinda confusing when its combined with AR8 as circles appear too fast
You use alot of stackings on this map, why not make the map flow more instead of having cursor pauses by mapping more around the screen?
00:03:906 (1,2) - Switch combos on these 2 objects
00:08:652 (6) - Inconsistent spacing
00:06:788 (1,2) - switch combos
00:10:178 (4,7) - This is a bad overlap, avoid doing this and try to fix it
00:11:364 (1,2) - Switch combos
00:17:635 (1,2) - Switch combos, if you havent got the idea yet, its best to start the combos on white ticks instead of red ones, and i mean the larger white ticks and if not possible, the object right after.
00:17:635 (1) - Inconsistent spacing
00:21:195 (2) - Confusing spacing
00:22:211 (3,4) - Same as above
00:28:651 (10,1) - Switch combos
00:34:076 (9) - Try making this slider more visually pleasing?
00:35:092 (1) - Remove NC and place it here 00:35:432 (3) -
00:48:822 (6,7,8) - Wow this is hard to read, the spacings make it look like it would be a 1/2 spacing just like the rest of the map, don't do this and just make them alot closer with the same distance snap as the rest of the map.
01:25:432 (3,4) - Stack these properly

Overall you just need to fix the distancing between objects and not stacking every note and map it more so it moves around the map more often.

Divine's Insane
Increase OD to 7 or 7.5, 6.5 is really too low for an insane
00:03:737 (3,4) - Hard part to read, make the slider repeat only once and turn the end of the slider to the left instead of right
00:07:974 (4) - Unnecessary repeating slider, just replace with 2 circles or a slider that goes from the white tick to the red one.
00:09:245 (4) - Delete this circle and move the slider to a better spot for spacing consistency
00:10:856 (7,8,1) - I don't hear a sound for it to be represented as a triple, delete circle 8
00:14:839 (4) - Delete this slider, no sound to be represented as that pattern.
00:44:161 (4) - No sound here, delete
00:44:245 (5) - Also this shouldnt be a finish
I didn't mention this before but i noticed quite often now, is that you shouldn't start sliders so much on red ticks like 00:42:042 (1) - White ticks are more appropriate, you have to do this on the rest of the map ofc
00:43:398 (1) - This one in particular is the most troublesome for example
00:46:957 (2,3,4) - replace this pattern with 2 sliders that repeat 2 times each, like:

First best as the stream part should start on where circle 2 is.

00:48:228 (4) - Delete
00:49:415 (4) - Delete, really there are alot of unnecesassary triples so i will stop pointing them out, basically means if there is no clear sound to it, it shouldn't be there.
01:02:720 (1,2,3) - Confusing spacing, at first i thought this was a triple, give it a consistent spacing or move them alooot more closer to each other.
01:03:313 (4) - Starting this one a blue tick is not right, what you should have done here is replace slider 01:03:059 (3) - with a circle, then move slider 01:03:313 (4) - to the white tick and make it repeat once more just like the next slider, that is better for both reading, playability and correct way of following the song.
01:06:110 (3,4) - Same as way before, this pattern is confusing to play like this
01:12:381 (3,4) - You could have made a triple in between these to follow the song better.
01:12:974 (6) - Delete this
01:13:059 (6) - Don't make this slider like this as it has nothing that sounds like a stream, make it 2 circles or one slider for example.
01:26:957 (1) - delete this circle and make the slider end on it's correct position, which is here 01:26:787 -

Insane
Alot of the stuff on this difficulty could be said the same way as on the other insane, on the case of unnecessary triples for example so i won't go into great detail about it, just means that avoid adding circles where there is no clear sound to it.
00:13:737 (3) - this should not be a slider here, instead a circle thats placed on 00:13:906 - to better follow the song
00:18:908 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Ouch, these spacings are too much... make the objects closer to each other, but then again, this is unnecessairly have blue tick circles, with no clear sound to them so best is just to delete the circles stacked.
00:20:601 - Now here for example when you have a clear drum kick you could have made a triple, but you didn't, so i suggest doing so
00:20:179 (8,2) - Weird overlap, hard to read
00:21:874 (5,7) - This one isnt as hard to read, its just that it doenst look so good
00:32:381 (5,6,7) - Weird overlappings as well

I mean the whole map feels in a certain circular motion with some squares in between, but overall it could be fixed by making patterns cross more with each other, but then again you also have extremely high spacing which makes this look more like an extra, with ar9.2 and all as well
Fix the triples and try to follow better with the song and the map should be better.
Also give sliders less random shapes and maybe try to copy paste some of them and rotate to make them look more well done.

Hope it helps!
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

Rad- wrote:

Hello! From my queue.

General:
- There some sort math image in the folder? Don't know what thats about but doesnt need to be in the mapset.
- Also seems like at least my end, .mp4 videos arent played. Switch for avi?
- The map only has one timing point, its all 177bpms, so remove all of the timing points except for the first one, and instead replace them with inherited points (the green lines)
- For this to be ranked you still need to create an Easy and a Normal


Hard
Seems like you chose to use the rare CS3 on a Hard difficulty, which is fine, but also is kinda confusing when its combined with AR8 as circles appear too fast
You use alot of stackings on this map, why not make the map flow more instead of having cursor pauses by mapping more around the screen?
00:03:906 (1,2) - Switch combos on these 2 objects
00:08:652 (6) - Inconsistent spacing
00:06:788 (1,2) - switch combos
00:10:178 (4,7) - This is a bad overlap, avoid doing this and try to fix it
00:11:364 (1,2) - Switch combos
00:17:635 (1,2) - Switch combos, if you havent got the idea yet, its best to start the combos on white ticks instead of red ones, and i mean the larger white ticks and if not possible, the object right after.
00:17:635 (1) - Inconsistent spacing
00:21:195 (2) - Confusing spacing
00:22:211 (3,4) - Same as above
00:28:651 (10,1) - Switch combos
00:34:076 (9) - Try making this slider more visually pleasing?
00:35:092 (1) - Remove NC and place it here 00:35:432 (3) -
00:48:822 (6,7,8) - Wow this is hard to read, the spacings make it look like it would be a 1/2 spacing just like the rest of the map, don't do this and just make them alot closer with the same distance snap as the rest of the map.
01:25:432 (3,4) - Stack these properly

Overall you just need to fix the distancing between objects and not stacking every note and map it more so it moves around the map more often.

Divine's Insane
Increase OD to 7 or 7.5, 6.5 is really too low for an insane
00:03:737 (3,4) - Hard part to read, make the slider repeat only once and turn the end of the slider to the left instead of right
00:07:974 (4) - Unnecessary repeating slider, just replace with 2 circles or a slider that goes from the white tick to the red one.
00:09:245 (4) - Delete this circle and move the slider to a better spot for spacing consistency
00:10:856 (7,8,1) - I don't hear a sound for it to be represented as a triple, delete circle 8
00:14:839 (4) - Delete this slider, no sound to be represented as that pattern.
00:44:161 (4) - No sound here, delete
00:44:245 (5) - Also this shouldnt be a finish
I didn't mention this before but i noticed quite often now, is that you shouldn't start sliders so much on red ticks like 00:42:042 (1) - White ticks are more appropriate, you have to do this on the rest of the map ofc
00:43:398 (1) - This one in particular is the most troublesome for example
00:46:957 (2,3,4) - replace this pattern with 2 sliders that repeat 2 times each, like:

First best as the stream part should start on where circle 2 is.

00:48:228 (4) - Delete
00:49:415 (4) - Delete, really there are alot of unnecesassary triples so i will stop pointing them out, basically means if there is no clear sound to it, it shouldn't be there.
01:02:720 (1,2,3) - Confusing spacing, at first i thought this was a triple, give it a consistent spacing or move them alooot more closer to each other.
01:03:313 (4) - Starting this one a blue tick is not right, what you should have done here is replace slider 01:03:059 (3) - with a circle, then move slider 01:03:313 (4) - to the white tick and make it repeat once more just like the next slider, that is better for both reading, playability and correct way of following the song.
01:06:110 (3,4) - Same as way before, this pattern is confusing to play like this
01:12:381 (3,4) - You could have made a triple in between these to follow the song better.
01:12:974 (6) - Delete this
01:13:059 (6) - Don't make this slider like this as it has nothing that sounds like a stream, make it 2 circles or one slider for example.
01:26:957 (1) - delete this circle and make the slider end on it's correct position, which is here 01:26:787 -

Insane
Alot of the stuff on this difficulty could be said the same way as on the other insane, on the case of unnecessary triples for example so i won't go into great detail about it, just means that avoid adding circles where there is no clear sound to it.
00:13:737 (3) - this should not be a slider here, instead a circle thats placed on 00:13:906 - to better follow the song
00:18:908 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Ouch, these spacings are too much... make the objects closer to each other, but then again, this is unnecessairly have blue tick circles, with no clear sound to them so best is just to delete the circles stacked.
00:20:601 - Now here for example when you have a clear drum kick you could have made a triple, but you didn't, so i suggest doing so
00:20:179 (8,2) - Weird overlap, hard to read
00:21:874 (5,7) - This one isnt as hard to read, its just that it doenst look so good
00:32:381 (5,6,7) - Weird overlappings as well

I mean the whole map feels in a certain circular motion with some squares in between, but overall it could be fixed by making patterns cross more with each other, but then again you also have extremely high spacing which makes this look more like an extra, with ar9.2 and all as well
Fix the triples and try to follow better with the song and the map should be better.
Also give sliders less random shapes and maybe try to copy paste some of them and rotate to make them look more well done.

Hope it helps!
thanks for catching that file, i was testing the bg.
i also understand I need a normal/easy difficulty.

the hard difficulty inconsistent spacing were from me switching the slider speed.
i'll remove over-triplet"ing" on my insane as well.

thanks again!
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

Rad- wrote:

Hello! From my queue.

General:
- There some sort math image in the folder? Don't know what thats about but doesnt need to be in the mapset.
- Also seems like at least my end, .mp4 videos arent played. Switch for avi?
- The map only has one timing point, its all 177bpms, so remove all of the timing points except for the first one, and instead replace them with inherited points (the green lines)
- For this to be ranked you still need to create an Easy and a Normal

Divine's Insane
Increase OD to 7 or 7.5, 6.5 is really too low for an insane It's fine, it's more like a Light Insane I guess.
00:03:737 (3,4) - Hard part to read, make the slider repeat only once and turn the end of the slider to the left instead of right Huh, it doesn't look hard to read at this kind of level.
00:07:974 (4) - Unnecessary repeating slider, just replace with 2 circles or a slider that goes from the white tick to the red one.
00:09:245 (4) - Delete this circle and move the slider to a better spot for spacing consistency I think I may leave this because I'm introducing it now since in the kiai there are notes like this.
00:10:856 (7,8,1) - I don't hear a sound for it to be represented as a triple, delete circle 8 I believe there's like this constant 1/4 background beat, but I try not to map it too much anyways. I'll consider removing it if I get more mods about it but I'll stick to it for now.
00:14:839 (4) - Delete this slider, no sound to be represented as that pattern. There is like a 1/8 sound here, I simplified the rhythm here since I want to make the difficulty an easy Insane.
00:44:161 (4) - No sound here, delete There is..... I hear ittt............ I BELIEVE so.... xD
00:44:245 (5) - Also this shouldnt be a finish
I didn't mention this before but i noticed quite often now, is that you shouldn't start sliders so much on red ticks like 00:42:042 (1) - White ticks are more appropriate, you have to do this on the rest of the map ofc
00:43:398 (1) - This one in particular is the most troublesome for example It's more appropriate to start on the red tick like 00:08:144 (1) - because the vocal starts there, and sometimes a important beat may start on a red tick that can't be easily ignored.
00:46:957 (2,3,4) - replace this pattern with 2 sliders that repeat 2 times each, like: I did a pattern here too; 00:14:245 (1,2,3,4) - , the pattern before that is very similar to this so I want to be consistent. Also, 00:46:957 - imo, I think this should be clickable here.

First best as the stream part should start on where circle 2 is.

00:48:228 (4) - Delete There's a sound there that I want to map for 1/4.
00:49:415 (4) - Delete, really there are alot of unnecesassary triples so i will stop pointing them out, basically means if there is no clear sound to it, it shouldn't be there. Here, I just noticed there isn't so I removed it and added one here 00:49:500 - .
01:02:720 (1,2,3) - Confusing spacing, at first i thought this was a triple, give it a consistent spacing or move them alooot more closer to each other.
01:03:313 (4) - Starting this one a blue tick is not right, what you should have done here is replace slider 01:03:059 (3) - with a circle, then move slider 01:03:313 (4) - to the white tick and make it repeat once more just like the next slider, that is better for both reading, playability and correct way of following the song. I believe it is fine, especially when I played it myself and with other testplays.
01:06:110 (3,4) - Same as way before, this pattern is confusing to play like this ^
01:12:381 (3,4) - You could have made a triple in between these to follow the song better. I don't want to add two triples in a row, with 01:12:889 - .
01:12:974 (6) - Delete this there's a sound there I believe
01:13:059 (6) - Don't make this slider like this as it has nothing that sounds like a stream, make it 2 circles or one slider for example. Woops, should have mapped a slider on the red tick.
01:26:957 (1) - delete this circle and make the slider end on it's correct position, which is here 01:26:787 -
Thank you! There are some where I didn't reply meaning I fixed it. Also, for the triples, I do believe there is a sound there but I will remove it if more mods do mention about it. :)
victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando
Easy Updated :
Easy
osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 63822
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
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Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
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[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.8
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2.55

[Metadata]
Title:Baby Lady LOVE
TitleUnicode:Baby Lady LOVE
Artist:Ray
ArtistUnicode:Ray
Creator:kookoo11
Version:Victor's Easy
Source:ネコぱら
Tags:Nekopara Neko NekoWorks Cat Catgirls Weeb Chocola Coconut Maple Vanilla Cinnamon Azuki OVA Kookoo11 divineenigma victorfernando ネコぱら
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RandomPrson
33 posts
Joined February 2016
RandomPrson
a bit late from the OSUWOT mod queue cause of people getting requested too much so im here
Victor's Easy
i get what your doing with the sliders but some can be misleading to newer players
00:01:534 (1,2) - is bad for an easy the first note ends on beat 2 but the next one lands in the middle of a beat a lot of new players will mess up because their used to most things being a full beat gap
00:05:093 (4,1) - missing a very strong beat between these notes
the beginning up to 00:06:279 (2) - has some problems on what beats to emphasize after that its a decent map
the spinners should have a longer break after them so players can recover from spinning
the middle part of the map starting from 00:26:279 (1) - is a bit boring and repetative
00:35:432 (3,4,1) - could be done better its a clear change in the music but uses the exact same pattern
01:00:686 (4) - just doesnt feel right starting on that beat
01:22:550 (3) - is just a no

Normal
try to keep hitsouns simple and the same in all diffs
00:06:957 (1,2) - the reverse of 1, head of 2, and end of 2 should be the beats with claps so that the beat constantly goes through the song on 2 and 4 use hitsound copier to save time
00:16:110 (2) - add a little curve?
add some more time after spinners so players can recover
00:50:686 (1,2) - try to find a different placing with this pattern
pretty good map but needs more aesthetics
Aesthetic mapping
Pishifat's videos expect to see this person a lot
A Mo's videos
some things you might want to check out

Hard
00:17:974 (2,3) - stack these somehow?
00:36:788 (1,2,3) - same spacing as the quarter beat gaps might be misleading
01:18:652 (4,5) - probably not on purpose but that a big gap
01:22:720 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - (long comment) personally i think 6 should start later on the green timing tic and you should move 6, 1, and 2 up in time and delete the 3 to look something like this

Divine's Insane
this will be just mostly a list of ideas since this is better than the maps i make
not many problems with this diff
00:14:584 (3,4) - the 4 starting on the blue tic really throws me off and probably others too
00:47:127 (3,4) - ^^ same thing and all other places this happens
00:18:144 (2,3,4,5,6) - would a hexagonal grid help?
00:28:991 (3,4,5) - make this similar to 00:30:517 (2,3) - so its not a straight curve
i dont know if there is, but is there a pattern for when a slider is curved or straight? if not try making one

General
ill skip what i cant mod for now
check the new ranking criteria and guidelines for some help and things not to do
making a map look good is apart of mapping too
dont forget to ask regular people to test run it cause they can probably point out things from only a players perspective
nice mapset
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

-Sepia- wrote:

Divine's Insane
this will be just mostly a list of ideas since this is better than the maps i make
not many problems with this diff
00:14:584 (3,4) - the 4 starting on the blue tic really throws me off and probably others too Changed to one 1/4 reverse
00:47:127 (3,4) - ^^ same thing and all other places this happens ^, hopefully I fixed the rest xD
00:18:144 (2,3,4,5,6) - would a hexagonal grid help? ??
00:28:991 (3,4,5) - make this similar to 00:30:517 (2,3) - so its not a straight curve eh, it's fine imo
i dont know if there is, but is there a pattern for when a slider is curved or straight? if not try making one ^
Thank you for the mod! : )
victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando
[quote="-Sepia-"]a bit late from the OSUWOT mod queue cause of people getting requested too much so im here
Victor's Easy
i get what your doing with the sliders but some can be misleading to newer players
00:01:534 (1,2) - is bad for an easy the first note ends on beat 2 but the next one lands in the middle of a beat a lot of new players will mess up because their used to most things being a full beat gap
00:05:093 (4,1) - missing a very strong beat between these notes (thanks )
the beginning up to 00:06:279 (2) - has some problems on what beats to emphasize after that its a decent map
the spinners should have a longer break after them so players can recover from spinning ?
the middle part of the map starting from 00:26:279 (1) - is a bit boring and repetitive ?
00:35:432 (3,4,1) - could be done better it's a clear change in the music but uses the exact same pattern ?
01:00:686 (4) - just doesn't feel right starting on that beat (it's feels yes because i follow vocals )
01:22:550 (3) - is just a no (ok )
you modding is like aggressive, you appoint things like they are a big mistake, remember it's a suggestion to change things, not a concrete fact, I feel offended don't mod like this is bad :x , remember map is 177 bpm is actuallly not to easy do a easy diff and have 1/2 parts if i not do the breaks the stars diff going + 1.50
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victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando
Here my diff updated :
Easy
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: audio.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 63822
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.8
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2.55

[Metadata]
Title:Baby Lady LOVE
TitleUnicode:Baby Lady LOVE
Artist:Ray
ArtistUnicode:Ray
Creator:kookoo11
Version:Victor's Easy
Source:ネコぱら
Tags:Nekopara Neko NekoWorks Cat Catgirls Weeb Chocola Coconut Maple Vanilla Cinnamon Azuki OVA Kookoo11 divineenigma victorfernando ネコぱら
BeatmapID:1243545
BeatmapSetID:572695

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:2
CircleSize:3
OverallDifficulty:2
ApproachRate:3
SliderMultiplier:0.9
SliderTickRate:1

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//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
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//Storyboard Sound Samples

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RandomPrson
33 posts
Joined February 2016
RandomPrson
this is a short reply to say
I'm sorry
- personally i feel like my mod could have been better done and explained without being so harsh
- this is a good mapset and the only thing i actually think should be changed are the spinners in the lower diffs this is part of the ranking guidelines <thats why (all up to the mapper choice)
- dont think too much on what was mentioned in the mod
- when mapping the modder learns things too (and i learned something)
- and dont forget you dont have to take any opinions from a mod

Funny Mod

Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles
Normal
try to keep hitsouns simple and the same in all diffs
00:06:957 (1,2) - the reverse of 1, head of 2, and end of 2 should be the beats with claps so that the beat constantly goes through the song on 2 and 4 use hitsound copier to save time
00:16:110 (2) - add a little curve?
add some more time after spinners so players can recover
00:50:686 (1,2) - try to find a different placing with this pattern
pretty good map but needs more aesthetics
Aesthetic mapping
Pishifat's videos expect to see this person a lot
A Mo's videos
some things you might want to check out

Hard
00:17:974 (2,3) - stack these somehow?
00:36:788 (1,2,3) - same spacing as the quarter beat gaps might be misleading
01:18:652 (4,5) - probably not on purpose but that a big gap
01:22:720 (6,1,2,3,4,5) - (long comment) personally i think 6 should start later on the green timing tic and you should move 6, 1, and 2 up in time and delete the 3 to look something like this

thanks for recommendations! I don't think the spinner is an issue, but I'll find a way to fix it anyways. I also fixed the timing on my hard version. I also fixed all the issues with large spacing.
yoshee4232
120 posts
Joined May 2016
yoshee4232
NM from my Q

Divine's Insane
  1. 00:24:923 (2,1) - space these further for emphasis and I don't really think NC is necessary here 00:25:093 (1) -
  2. 00:52:550 (5,6) - have a triple in front of the slider, it looks like you may have had it but accidentally deleted the middle note :P
  3. 01:02:720 (1,2,3) - I don't think these should overlap like this, they're kinda misleading into thinking it plays as a triple
  4. 01:05:601 (2,3) - blanket better
  5. 01:13:228 (1,3) - blanket these two?
Insane
  1. 00:16:788 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these jumps are entirely random and play really bad, use sharp angles on jumps and have some sort of structure to your spacing
  2. 00:34:923 (1,2,3,4) - spacing emphasis should be used here, space more like this http://puu.sh/vd2EV.jpg because you want to emphasize the strong sound the slider is on
  3. 00:52:889 (7,1) - blanket
  4. 01:02:211 (6,1) - space these out to match the spacing of the previous sliders
  5. 00:05:432 (3,4,5,6,7) - make it more obvious that there is a 1/4 gap between the sliders
  6. 01:07:805 (7,8,9,10,11) - ^
  7. A lot of this maps jumps and rhythm choices feel random and don't really seem to follow the song, try to use sharper angles on jumps unless there is some point you want to emphasize through stressing the aiming hand. It also seems like your NCs are random and aren't following anything
EXTRA CATS
  1. 00:10:856 (1,2,3,4,5) - stream stops really abruptly for no reason, map something in between this and the next object
  2. 00:20:008 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
  3. 00:21:195 (3,4) - space these out more, the current spacing isn't very consistent with the section
  4. 00:46:279 (2,3) - why are these sliders even here? there's no sounds that they go with, for this section you should probably do something like this http://puu.sh/vd4lq.jpg instead and space them far apart to emphasize the strong sounds
  5. 00:50:178 (4,1) - feels like something should go in between these two because your missing a lot of important sounds
  6. 01:16:703 (2,3) - move this a little closer to the previous object, it feels like it's a bit to far for only 1/4 snapping
  7. similar problems to previous map, spacing and flow are a lot better but I would say rhythm choices are a bit worse, NC ambiguity is also still present
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

cooldude4232 wrote:

NM from my Q

Divine's Insane
  1. 00:24:923 (2,1) - space these further for emphasis and I don't really think NC is necessary here 00:25:093 (1) - fixed spacing but for the NC, i'll leave it there as the sound there is similar to 00:45:940 (6,1,1) - .
  2. 00:52:550 (5,6) - have a triple in front of the slider, it looks like you may have had it but accidentally deleted the middle note :P i didn't want two 1/4s in a row so it's fine.
  3. 01:02:720 (1,2,3) - I don't think these should overlap like this, they're kinda misleading into thinking it plays as a triple reworked the pattern
  4. 01:05:601 (2,3) - blanket better wasn't intended
  5. 01:13:228 (1,3) - blanket these two? ^
Thank you!
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

cooldude4232 wrote:

NM from my Q

Insane
  1. 00:16:788 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these jumps are entirely random and play really bad, use sharp angles on jumps and have some sort of structure to your spacing
  2. 00:34:923 (1,2,3,4) - spacing emphasis should be used here, space more like this http://puu.sh/vd2EV.jpg because you want to emphasize the strong sound the slider is on
  3. 00:52:889 (7,1) - blanket
  4. 01:02:211 (6,1) - space these out to match the spacing of the previous sliders
  5. 00:05:432 (3,4,5,6,7) - make it more obvious that there is a 1/4 gap between the sliders
  6. 01:07:805 (7,8,9,10,11) - ^
  7. A lot of this maps jumps and rhythm choices feel random and don't really seem to follow the song, try to use sharper angles on jumps unless there is some point you want to emphasize through stressing the aiming hand. It also seems like your NCs are random and aren't following anything
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fixed my diff, thanks ;)
victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando
Fixed Extra Cats :
Extra cats
osu file format v14

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PreviewTime: 63822
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.8
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 8
TimelineZoom: 2.55

[Metadata]
Title:Baby Lady LOVE
TitleUnicode:Baby Lady LOVE
Artist:Ray
ArtistUnicode:Ray
Creator:kookoo11
Version:EXTRA CATS
Source:ネコぱら
Tags:Nekopara Neko NekoWorks Cat Catgirls Weeb Chocola Coconut Maple Vanilla Cinnamon Azuki OVA Kookoo11 divineenigma victorfernando ネコぱら
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292,320,40856,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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168,196,42381,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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448,68,43567,1,2,0:0:0:0:
428,272,43737,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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332,96,46110,5,2,0:0:0:0:
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victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando

cooldude4232 wrote:

EXTRA CATS
  1. 00:10:856 (1,2,3,4,5) - stream stops really abruptly for no reason, map something in between this and the next object (ok)
  2. 00:20:008 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ (ok)
  3. 00:21:195 (3,4) - space these out more, the current spacing isn't very consistent with the section
  4. 00:46:279 (2,3) - why are these sliders even here? there's no sounds that they go with, for this section you should probably do something like this http://puu.sh/vd4lq.jpg instead and space them far apart to emphasize the strong sounds (ok)
  5. 00:50:178 (4,1) - feels like something should go in between these two because your missing a lot of important sounds (thanks)
  6. 01:16:703 (2,3) - move this a little closer to the previous object, it feels like it's a bit to far for only 1/4 snapping
  7. similar problems to previous map, spacing and flow are a lot better but I would say rhythm choices are a bit worse, NC ambiguity is also still present(thank you)
LimePixel
184 posts
Joined March 2015
LimePixel
Hi :)
NM mod from queue.

Normal
  1. 00:48:652 (3) - Try moving this slider to the red tick (1/2 beats later than the current position) so it matches with the instrumentals in the music
Hard
  1. 00:04:245 (1,2) - Starts of the sliders should have hitsounds like 00:01:534 (1,2) (Finish on start and whistle on end)
  2. 00:31:195 (6) - I think this starts too early. Suggest you add a hitcircle where the slider currently starts and add a #7 slider that lasts 1/2 beats starting on the white tick
  3. 00:39:330 (6) - Same^
  4. 00:43:398 (3) - Convert this into a hitcircle and a 1/2 beat slider? Like this
    SPOILER
Divine's Insane
  1. 00:03:737 (3) - Make it only repeat once?
  2. 00:06:618 (6) & 00:09:330 (5) - Same^
  3. 00:14:584 (3) - The sound ends when the slider only repeats 2 times, so it seems a bit unnecessary to repeat so often
  4. 00:46:110 (1,1) - I suggest you remove the NC from these
  5. 01:06:110 (3), 01:08:991 (6), 01:11:703 (6), 01:14:415 (6), 01:19:839 (4) - Same as before, repeat only once. This is more of a suggestion because it plays better imo if it only repeats once.
EXTRA CATS
  1. 00:44:754 (3) - Slider ends on strong sounds. Maybe start the jumps on the strong sound?
Hope these help :) Feel free to not follow these notes.
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

LimePixel wrote:

Hi :)
NM mod from queue.

Normal
  1. 00:48:652 (3) - Try moving this slider to the red tick (1/2 beats later than the current position) so it matches with the instrumentals in the music
Hard
  1. 00:04:245 (1,2) - Starts of the sliders should have hitsounds like 00:01:534 (1,2) (Finish on start and whistle on end)
  2. 00:31:195 (6) - I think this starts too early. Suggest you add a hitcircle where the slider currently starts and add a #7 slider that lasts 1/2 beats starting on the white tick
  3. 00:39:330 (6) - Same^
  4. 00:43:398 (3) - Convert this into a hitcircle and a 1/2 beat slider? Like this
    SPOILER
Divine's Insane
  1. 00:03:737 (3) - Make it only repeat once?
  2. 00:06:618 (6) & 00:09:330 (5) - Same^
  3. 00:14:584 (3) - The sound ends when the slider only repeats 2 times, so it seems a bit unnecessary to repeat so often
  4. 00:46:110 (1,1) - I suggest you remove the NC from these
  5. 01:06:110 (3), 01:08:991 (6), 01:11:703 (6), 01:14:415 (6), 01:19:839 (4) - Same as before, repeat only once. This is more of a suggestion because it plays better imo if it only repeats once.
EXTRA CATS
  1. 00:44:754 (3) - Slider ends on strong sounds. Maybe start the jumps on the strong sound?
Hope these help :) Feel free to not follow these notes.
i changed everything from my end, thanks!
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

LimePixel wrote:

Hi :)
NM mod from queue.

Divine's Insane
  1. 00:03:737 (3) - Make it only repeat once? I hear something on the blue tick but I'll leave it there for now until it is mentioned a bit more.
  2. 00:06:618 (6) & 00:09:330 (5) - Same^ ^ (6) definitely has something there but for (5) i'll leave it there for now.
  3. 00:14:584 (3) - The sound ends when the slider only repeats 2 times, so it seems a bit unnecessary to repeat so often I disagree, I hear something that sounds like 1/8 but I simplified the rhythm there to 1/4.
  4. 00:46:110 (1,1) - I suggest you remove the NC from these Done
  5. 01:06:110 (3), 01:08:991 (6), 01:11:703 (6), 01:14:415 (6), 01:19:839 (4) - Same as before, repeat only once. This is more of a suggestion because it plays better imo if it only repeats once. I think it plays fine.
Hope these help :) Feel free to not follow these notes.
Thank you for the mod. : )
Kilabarus
999 posts
Joined May 2015
Kilabarus
Random small mod for Easy diff

General:

  1. Sliderborder is not consistent.
  2. The video's audio track must be removed from the video file. The audio track in video is not used in osu!, so removing it reduces that filesize of the beatmap.
  3. Check "Widescreen support" through all difficulties
Easy:

  1. Your choice of Distance Spacing here is not right, these overlaps are looking not good + average DS between objects in Easy is around 1.0 - 1.4x . If you will increase it to 1.0 that will solve the problem easily
  2. 00:03:144 - There is nothing on that blue tick, I recommend you to use this rhythm: https://puu.sh/vFixt/4eb2e45d6c.png
  3. 00:04:669 - 00:05:432 (2) - Again, nothing on blue tick
  4. Ok, I can see that you try to use those blue ticks everywhere, but this is not right, you should map only strong sounds in Easy, and reverses on reverse sliders should emphasize at least something like vocals or beats. For Example 00:11:703 (3) - here is right usage of reverse slider
  5. 00:23:906 (1,1) - 01:01:872 (1,1) - Too little space for newbies between spinner and next object. You can end 00:23:567 (1) - here 00:25:432 -
  6. 00:26:279 (1,2) - Stacks are not good idea in Easy, but it's rankable though
  7. 00:29:669 (3) - Slider ends on strong vocal and down beat, this is practically always bad
  8. 00:33:398 (2,3) - https://puu.sh/vFiQd/c22393015a.png This rhythm is better for emphasizing "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
  9. 00:35:093 (4,1) - You can try to use something like this here: https://puu.sh/vFiTf/de63b9e006.png because 00:36:110 (1) - is standing on nothing atm
I will stop here, I think you should apply these changes before next modding, at least suggestions about rhythm choices, spaces between spinners and objects and easpecially suggestion about Distance Spacing



Not about the map, but your image in description is too large: users with support tag see it like that: https://puu.sh/vFjfG/045e11f947.png You can smaller it and everything would be fine

GL!
victorfernando
292 posts
Joined October 2016
victorfernando
Thanks , gonna do all changes ;P
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

MashaSG wrote:

Random small mod for Easy diff

General:

  1. Sliderborder is not consistent.
  2. The video's audio track must be removed from the video file. The audio track in video is not used in osu!, so removing it reduces that filesize of the beatmap.
  3. Check "Widescreen support" through all difficulties
Easy:

  1. Your choice of Distance Spacing here is not right, these overlaps are looking not good + average DS between objects in Easy is around 1.0 - 1.4x . If you will increase it to 1.0 that will solve the problem easily
  2. 00:03:144 - There is nothing on that blue tick, I recommend you to use this rhythm: https://puu.sh/vFixt/4eb2e45d6c.png
  3. 00:04:669 - 00:05:432 (2) - Again, nothing on blue tick
  4. Ok, I can see that you try to use those blue ticks everywhere, but this is not right, you should map only strong sounds in Easy, and reverses on reverse sliders should emphasize at least something like vocals or beats. For Example 00:11:703 (3) - here is right usage of reverse slider
  5. 00:23:906 (1,1) - 01:01:872 (1,1) - Too little space for newbies between spinner and next object. You can end 00:23:567 (1) - here 00:25:432 -
  6. 00:26:279 (1,2) - Stacks are not good idea in Easy, but it's rankable though
  7. 00:29:669 (3) - Slider ends on strong vocal and down beat, this is practically always bad
  8. 00:33:398 (2,3) - https://puu.sh/vFiQd/c22393015a.png This rhythm is better for emphasizing "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
  9. 00:35:093 (4,1) - You can try to use something like this here: https://puu.sh/vFiTf/de63b9e006.png because 00:36:110 (1) - is standing on nothing atm
I will stop here, I think you should apply these changes before next modding, at least suggestions about rhythm choices, spaces between spinners and objects and easpecially suggestion about Distance Spacing



Not about the map, but your image in description is too large: users with support tag see it like that: https://puu.sh/vFjfG/045e11f947.png You can smaller it and everything would be fine

GL!
I've decided to make my own easy diff as victor decided to discontinue his diff. I've made most changes and will remove audio from the video and fix the image later.
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma
quick mod on hard since it was remapped

od should be increased, it's the same as normal's od.
try cs 3.5 since normal and easy have 3 as CS also..

not going to list every nc issue but will mention some
00:05:432 (4) - nc
00:05:940 (5,6) - feels weird, i suggest a slider, i keep playing that part and it plays weird ??
00:08:144 (4) - nc
00:13:228 (5,1) - increase ds
00:50:856 (2,3) - looks/plays better if (3) was a bit farther away from 00:50:347 (1) -
00:55:771 (1,2,3) - try this rhythm https://image.prntscr.com/image/effe814ce3e342b2aafafa92b66fa0eb.jpeg
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma
requested . .!

[Insane]
first try im bad https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9064512
but onto the mod..
[]
  1. 00:01:534 (1,2,1,2) - imo I noticed this during my testplay, what I felt was that this, okay you're trying to emphasize what's there but, it's actually the beginning of the map so to even play a pattern where the spacing is huge already is harsh even on a ~4.5* diff, like this has low spacing 00:02:720 (1,2,3,1) - and the intensity is nearly the same, but I'm suggesting that to lower the spacing and/or remap.. mm im not saying i don't like zigzag patterns but it's just the way this was executed
  2. 00:05:262 (1,2) - remove NC on (1) and add NC on (2) to emphasize the sound there
  3. 00:06:279 (3) - ctrl+g plays better
  4. 00:06:788 (1,2) - makes more sense for (2) to have NC because of the sound there and you even emphasized (2) with a finish/cymbal hs
  5. 00:10:686 (1,2,3) - ee usually triples don't get mapped on white ticks, what about mapping it on the red tick 00:10:856 - ? probably makes more sense musically
  6. 00:11:957 (1,2,3,4) - overlap isn't aesthetically appealing
  7. 00:13:228 - makes more sense to map this vocal with a slider since it leads in better to the cymbals that u mapped at 00:13:567 (2,3,4) -
  8. 00:13:567 (2) - strong sound should have an NC to emphasize the cymbal here
  9. 00:14:584 (5,6) - it sounds better with sliders, there's nothing strong to have as a circle anyways, plus I believe this sound is 1/8 or whatever, so you can simplify the rhythm to 1/4 for the sake of playability
  10. 00:15:093 (1,2,1,2) - why a 1-2-1-2 NC pattern here, i'd suggest to just have NC on 00:15:093 (1) -
  11. 00:15:771 (3,4) - overlap isn't appealing and may I suggest another position than here xd
  12. 00:16:449 (5) - NC because of a downbeat so remove NC on 00:16:788 (1) -
  13. 00:17:805 (6) - NC bc of downbeat and so remove NC on 00:18:144 (1) -
  14. zz too lazy to mention rest of NCs
  15. 00:25:432 (5) - can this be an extended slider, the sound in the back supports it
  16. 00:25:940 (1,2,1,2) - same with NC, why 1-2-1-2 ncs
  17. 00:27:127 (5) - why on 1/2 tick, it plays weird considering how there's no vocal or other sound worth making clickable here
  18. 00:53:059 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - interesting flow

[]
I had to end the mod since I'm short on time but i hope you get the idea;
nc issues, overlaps dont look that appealing, spacing issues, rhythm issues

gl!
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

DivineEnigma wrote:

requested . .!

[Insane]
first try im bad https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9064512
but onto the mod..
[]
  1. 00:01:534 (1,2,1,2) - imo I noticed this during my testplay, what I felt was that this, okay you're trying to emphasize what's there but, it's actually the beginning of the map so to even play a pattern where the spacing is huge already is harsh even on a ~4.5* diff, like this has low spacing 00:02:720 (1,2,3,1) - and the intensity is nearly the same, but I'm suggesting that to lower the spacing and/or remap.. mm im not saying i don't like zigzag patterns but it's just the way this was executed
  2. 00:05:262 (1,2) - remove NC on (1) and add NC on (2) to emphasize the sound there
  3. 00:06:279 (3) - ctrl+g plays better
  4. 00:06:788 (1,2) - makes more sense for (2) to have NC because of the sound there and you even emphasized (2) with a finish/cymbal hs
  5. 00:10:686 (1,2,3) - ee usually triples don't get mapped on white ticks, what about mapping it on the red tick 00:10:856 - ? probably makes more sense musically
  6. 00:11:957 (1,2,3,4) - overlap isn't aesthetically appealing
  7. 00:13:228 - makes more sense to map this vocal with a slider since it leads in better to the cymbals that u mapped at 00:13:567 (2,3,4) -
  8. 00:13:567 (2) - strong sound should have an NC to emphasize the cymbal here
  9. 00:14:584 (5,6) - it sounds better with sliders, there's nothing strong to have as a circle anyways, plus I believe this sound is 1/8 or whatever, so you can simplify the rhythm to 1/4 for the sake of playability
  10. 00:15:093 (1,2,1,2) - why a 1-2-1-2 NC pattern here, i'd suggest to just have NC on 00:15:093 (1) -
  11. 00:15:771 (3,4) - overlap isn't appealing and may I suggest another position than here xd
  12. 00:16:449 (5) - NC because of a downbeat so remove NC on 00:16:788 (1) -
  13. 00:17:805 (6) - NC bc of downbeat and so remove NC on 00:18:144 (1) -
  14. zz too lazy to mention rest of NCs
  15. 00:25:432 (5) - can this be an extended slider, the sound in the back supports it
  16. 00:25:940 (1,2,1,2) - same with NC, why 1-2-1-2 ncs
  17. 00:27:127 (5) - why on 1/2 tick, it plays weird considering how there's no vocal or other sound worth making clickable here
  18. 00:53:059 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - interesting flow

[]
I had to end the mod since I'm short on time but i hope you get the idea;
nc issues, overlaps dont look that appealing, spacing issues, rhythm issues

gl!
fixd ty
Josh123uaJ
81 posts
Joined March 2014
Josh123uaJ
Ayy from mod q

General:
I noticed that Divine's Hard diff has a pink sliderborder while the other two diffs have just regular sliderborders.
At 00:56:449 (3), there's a finish and whistle hitsound together on this slider. It feels random since it's the only note with those hitsounds. Maybe replace or remove them.

Normal:
00:06:957 (1) - This note should be further away since there's a bigger gap in rhythm. It might confuse some new players.
00:18:991 (1,1) - I'm not too sure about the slider heads being so close together. Use .8x spacing here too.
00:27:635 (3) - This slider doesn't need to be that long. Maybe turn it into shorter sliders like 00:30:008 (3,4).

Divine's Hard:
00:12:381 (1,2) - Add a circle between these notes to fill in the gap.
00:21:872 (1,2,3) - imo, Flow here is kind awkward. Maybe do something like this?

Insane:
00:10:856 (7,8,1) - This should be further away to add emphasis.
00:11:957 (1) - This slider can be shorted by 1/4 ticks and then add a circle after it so it covers the strong sound.
00:13:906 (2,3,4) - You could place (3) so that it's equally spaced from the slider beginnings of (2) and (4) to make the pattern look better.
00:15:771 (1,2,3) - I don't like big spacing here, especially near the beginning. It's unusually high and it feels like it should be reserved for the kiai.
00:30:686 (1,2,3) - Similar suggestion of placing (2) equally away from slider beginnings of (1) and (3).
00:36:110 (7,8) - You could increase spacing here to place emphasis on the strong sound at (8)

GL! :^)
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

Josh123uaJ wrote:

Ayy from mod q

General:
I noticed that Divine's Hard diff has a pink sliderborder while the other two diffs have just regular sliderborders. Doesn't have to be consistent with other difficulties
At 00:56:449 (3), there's a finish and whistle hitsound together on this slider. It feels random since it's the only note with those hitsounds. Maybe replace or remove them. Fixed

Divine's Hard:
00:12:381 (1,2) - Add a circle between these notes to fill in the gap. keeping, i'm focused on vocals here
00:21:872 (1,2,3) - imo, Flow here is kind awkward. Maybe do something like this? tbh i think it's fine haha

GL! :^)
thank you for the mod!

Divine's Hard
osu file format v14

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Countdown: 0
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BeatDivisor: 4
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TitleUnicode:Baby Lady LOVE
Artist:Ray
ArtistUnicode:Ray
Creator:kookoo11
Version:Divine's Hard
Source:ネコぱら
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Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

Josh123uaJ wrote:

Ayy from mod q

General:
I noticed that Divine's Hard diff has a pink sliderborder while the other two diffs have just regular sliderborders.
At 00:56:449 (3), there's a finish and whistle hitsound together on this slider. It feels random since it's the only note with those hitsounds. Maybe replace or remove them.

Normal:
00:06:957 (1) - This note should be further away since there's a bigger gap in rhythm. It might confuse some new players.
00:18:991 (1,1) - I'm not too sure about the slider heads being so close together. Use .8x spacing here too.
00:27:635 (3) - This slider doesn't need to be that long. Maybe turn it into shorter sliders like 00:30:008 (3,4).
fixed all
Divine's Hard:
00:12:381 (1,2) - Add a circle between these notes to fill in the gap.
00:21:872 (1,2,3) - imo, Flow here is kind awkward. Maybe do something like this?

Insane:
00:10:856 (7,8,1) - This should be further away to add emphasis. moved it out a little
00:11:957 (1) - This slider can be shorted by 1/4 ticks and then add a circle after it so it covers the strong sound. looks bad but i guess lol
00:13:906 (2,3,4) - You could place (3) so that it's equally spaced from the slider beginnings of (2) and (4) to make the pattern look better. i tried
00:15:771 (1,2,3) - I don't like big spacing here, especially near the beginning. It's unusually high and it feels like it should be reserved for the kiai. fixd
00:30:686 (1,2,3) - Similar suggestion of placing (2) equally away from slider beginnings of (1) and (3). fixd
00:36:110 (7,8) - You could increase spacing here to place emphasis on the strong sound at (8) e

GL! :^)
ty for mod!
Lafayla
Beatmap Nominator
348 posts
Joined December 2014
Lafayla
Hello :3~~
From my Queue,
Normal>
00:18:991 (1,1) - I would avoid covering the slider head like this, it also seems overdone compared to the other 1/2 rhythms and how they block their slider heads
00:19:500 (1) - unnecessary nc imo, I'm guessing you put it here to make reading this overlap easier but, I don't think its going to help
00:44:754 - 00:44:245 (3,1) - overlap is visible and doesn't look very nice, I would reorganize those 2 sliders so they don't overlap eachother
00:45:940 (1) - I would map this slider to start on 00:46:110 - because it sounds like you are following the melody here, you don't map the drum beats that follow it so it doesn't fit well being mapped here like this
00:34:923 (1) - makes more sense to put a circle at 00:35:432 - especially since reverse sliders with more than 1 reverse are usually avoided in these lower diffs, I would strongly recommend avoiding this in your case because your normal is the easiest diff in your set, just too complex for players at this level.
00:48:652 (2) - I think you meant to start the reverse slider on 00:48:822 - , I would then add a circle on 00:49:330 - for what I said above, like this
01:06:618 (1) - sounds like you are mapping vocals here, a circle on the end would give better emphasis to 01:07:127 - like this
01:08:144 (4) - same as above point, a circle on the end would be better
01:12:042 (1) - ^
01:17:466 (1) - ^
01:22:889 (1) - ^

Divine's Hard>
00:13:567 (1,2,3,1) - this emphasis could be better, it makes the slider emphasis really stand out which is good but the 3 circles could be emphasized better
00:23:228 (1,2) - this would be better as a blanket
edit, just got an update and most of the mod from normal were fixed, rip

Insane>
00:14:415 (4) - could use more spacing
00:15:262 (2) - too much emphasis on this imo, would be better to have its spacing similar to 00:15:432 (3,4) -
00:16:618 (2) - spacing here is a bit too much,
00:50:347 (2,3) - ok.. but 00:47:805 (2,3) - ? spacing difference is incredible yet they are similar
01:22:550 (4,5) - I'm only using this rhythm as an example because it happens everywhere, spacing bettween these two shouldn't be similar 01:22:550 - is bass drum and then the sound that comes after it is.. almost nothing, yet they are mapped with equal importance throughout this section. There are also numerous spacing inconsistencies.
Gl with the mapset
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

Lafayla wrote:

Hello :3~~
From my Queue,
Divine's Hard>
00:13:567 (1,2,3,1) - this emphasis could be better, it makes the slider emphasis really stand out which is good but the 3 circles could be emphasized better i'd emphasize it more but taking into account that it's a hard, i made it more easier in a way that it still is consistent with what i'm doing like here 00:46:110 (1,2,3) -
00:23:228 (1,2) - this would be better as a blanket sure

Gl with the mapset
ty for mod!

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424,268,74330,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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184,340,77296,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

Lafayla wrote:

Hello :3~~
From my Queue,
Normal>
00:18:991 (1,1) - I would avoid covering the slider head like this, it also seems overdone compared to the other 1/2 rhythms and how they block their slider heads
00:19:500 (1) - unnecessary nc imo, I'm guessing you put it here to make reading this overlap easier but, I don't think its going to help
00:44:754 - 00:44:245 (3,1) - overlap is visible and doesn't look very nice, I would reorganize those 2 sliders so they don't overlap eachother
00:45:940 (1) - I would map this slider to start on 00:46:110 - because it sounds like you are following the melody here, you don't map the drum beats that follow it so it doesn't fit well being mapped here like this
00:34:923 (1) - makes more sense to put a circle at 00:35:432 - especially since reverse sliders with more than 1 reverse are usually avoided in these lower diffs, I would strongly recommend avoiding this in your case because your normal is the easiest diff in your set, just too complex for players at this level.
00:48:652 (2) - I think you meant to start the reverse slider on 00:48:822 - , I would then add a circle on 00:49:330 - for what I said above, like this
01:06:618 (1) - sounds like you are mapping vocals here, a circle on the end would give better emphasis to 01:07:127 - like this
01:08:144 (4) - same as above point, a circle on the end would be better
01:12:042 (1) - ^
01:17:466 (1) - ^
01:22:889 (1) - ^

Divine's Hard>
00:13:567 (1,2,3,1) - this emphasis could be better, it makes the slider emphasis really stand out which is good but the 3 circles could be emphasized better
00:23:228 (1,2) - this would be better as a blanket
edit, just got an update and most of the mod from normal were fixed, rip

Insane>
00:14:415 (4) - could use more spacing
00:15:262 (2) - too much emphasis on this imo, would be better to have its spacing similar to 00:15:432 (3,4) -
00:16:618 (2) - spacing here is a bit too much,
00:50:347 (2,3) - ok.. but 00:47:805 (2,3) - ? spacing difference is incredible yet they are similar
01:22:550 (4,5) - I'm only using this rhythm as an example because it happens everywhere, spacing bettween these two shouldn't be similar 01:22:550 - is bass drum and then the sound that comes after it is.. almost nothing, yet they are mapped with equal importance throughout this section. There are also numerous spacing inconsistencies.
Gl with the mapset
sry 4 late response, i fixed every recommendations directed towards my diffs, thanks for the mod!
hi-mei
784 posts
Joined June 2014
hi-mei
idk how to mod this, it felt really good and clean

gl on ranking
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

hi-mei wrote:

idk how to mod this, it felt really good and clean

gl on ranking
awww, thanks!!!
lit120
3,251 posts
Joined August 2013
lit120
[general]
  1. aimod
  2. go map another 2* diff to make the spread more balance between Normal and Hard, like making Advanced diff
  3. the gap between Hard and Insane is kinda high and requires a diff to balance it
  4. end the kiai at 01:26:788 - for all diffs
[i]
  1. usually for NC could work on big white tick or red tick to follow its emphasize by its downbeat or vocal, such as 00:02:720 (3) - 00:05:432 (2) - 00:13:567 (1) - 00:16:279 - (if u're using 1/1 slider) 00:18:991 (1) - etc. should apply to everything on this diff, as i don't want to mention all of them here
  2. 00:01:534 (1,2) - this isn't a right way to follow such rhythm starting on a vocal here. should be 1/1 slider and 2 1/2 sliders for a better start to follow both vocal's emphasize
  3. 00:05:432 (2) - honestly, i'd NC this for emphasizing the vocal and its downbeat there
  4. 00:06:618 - should work to use 1/2 slider for following a xylophone sound
  5. 00:06:957 (1,2,3) - u could use this for following vocals with this rhythm http://puu.sh/ywDyu/19fe6385c4.jpg
  6. 00:09:669 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - use this rhythm instead http://puu.sh/ywDQR/159260dc2d.jpg
  7. 00:11:703 (1,1,2) - u could just make a simple pattern for this, such as triangle blanket pattern here. or to keep it safe, 3/4 reverse will do for its emphasize
  8. 00:13:059 (5,6,1) - i wouldn't make this as a jump gap for (6), but 00:13:567 (1,2,3,4,5) - should be it
  9. 00:14:415 (4,5) - should be this instead http://puu.sh/ywDYU/841aba8222.jpg
  10. 00:15:771 (1) - this doesn't even deserve to have NC here, despite u were following the xylophone note here
  11. 00:15:093 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - try this rhythm better http://puu.sh/ywE8m/9e8975a505.jpg
  12. 00:18:991 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - NCs aren't quite right and the pattern use doesn't suit based on the rhythm here. perhaps u could use this rhythm that would make it more better to follow its vocal and notes http://puu.sh/ywHIo/ae0df2dee7.jpg
  13. 00:42:889 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - why is this even a note placement? the 1/1 slider supposed to be a vocal that holds at 1/1 note. should be http://puu.sh/ywHNV/ba7e9c9af6.jpg + NC fix
  14. 00:52:212 (1,2) - should be 7 1/4 note here
  15. 00:53:059 (1,3) - i'd avoid overlapping these 2 from its tail
  16. 00:59:754 - missing note
  17. 01:03:143 (3) - overmap note and there's nothing to support with it
  18. 01:03:567 (1,2) - the distance between these 2 isn't a good idea for some players playing this diff and realize that it is a 1/1 note gap here with its close distance
  19. 01:24:923 (1,1,1) - vs 00:11:703 (1,1,2) - what? same note, but different
  20. 01:24:076 (6,1) - just use a 1/1 slider and a note better rather than a current one
ur diff is almost like "light extra" for me due to jumps with such gaps around there. also, i intentionally didn't want to mention anything about the patterns or its own flow, such as 00:30:008 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - for example, due to awkward flow for its movement there, 00:35:262 (4,5) - etc. i think u should review ur diffs all over again and try to focus on what you're trying to emphasize there, like 00:28:991 (1) - should be more further for its snare (?), missing notes around, flow, etc. should be a lesson for you here

just a tip. to make this "Insane" diff, i'd suggest using a lot of 1/2 sliders around for following vocals + 1/1 sliders too without making a huge gap for jumps, unless it's sth to emphasize

[Divine]
  1. 00:21:872 (1,3) - this blanket seems intentional for me, but ain't perfectly blanketed sadly
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - at least u could curve it better there with some adjustment
  3. 00:58:483 (1,3) - tbh i wouldn't recommend overlapping these 2 for those tails
  4. 01:17:974 (2) - why not this for following a vocal better http://puu.sh/ywJZz/8bdc57bba6.jpg
[n]
  1. why is this even sv 1.1? isn't this rly fast for beginner players to play with? it doesn't feel like friendly play for this sv tbh
  2. NC stuff is relatable as i have mentioned it from Insane
  3. 00:01:534 (1) - u could just remove the 3rd anchor and just do this instead man http://puu.sh/ywK6T/0baa90a4d5.jpg
  4. 00:12:381 (2) - please make the DS more consistent as u have did like the rest
  5. 00:19:500 (2,3,4) - please no. the flow would be confusing thinking that (4) should be clickable, even if its both with mods or not
  6. 00:24:584 (1,1) - spinner, then break for 1/1 gap... pretty much unrankable for a diff like this. normally you would have to skip to 4 white ticks there to give them a good time to read and a short amount of break after spinning it. or just map it like this http://puu.sh/ywKgK/13a6d24006.jpg
  7. 00:44:584 (4) - missing note that should be clickable
  8. 01:00:686 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/ywKkD/30ebd409eb.jpg for vocals that holds 1/1 there
  9. 01:13:228 (4) - too friendly play for a diff like this, as this supposed to be in Easy diff
  10. 01:23:737 (3) - why this...? here http://puu.sh/ywKrI/742f26b5ad.jpg
i think you should learn more a bit about mapping lower diffs there just for a while tbh

gl
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

lit120 wrote:

[general]
  1. aimod
  2. go map another 2* diff to make the spread more balance between Normal and Hard, like making Advanced diff
  3. the gap between Hard and Insane is kinda high and requires a diff to balance it
  4. end the kiai at 01:26:788 - for all diffs
[i]
  1. usually for NC could work on big white tick or red tick to follow its emphasize by its downbeat or vocal, such as 00:02:720 (3) - 00:05:432 (2) - 00:13:567 (1) - 00:16:279 - (if u're using 1/1 slider) 00:18:991 (1) - etc. should apply to everything on this diff, as i don't want to mention all of them here ok
  2. 00:01:534 (1,2) - this isn't a right way to follow such rhythm starting on a vocal here. should be 1/1 slider and 2 1/2 sliders for a better start to follow both vocal's emphasize ill consider it
  3. 00:05:432 (2) - honestly, i'd NC this for emphasizing the vocal and its downbeat there yh tru
  4. 00:06:618 - should work to use 1/2 slider for following a xylophone sound fixed, but idk about flow
  5. 00:06:957 (1,2,3) - u could use this for following vocals with this rhythm http://puu.sh/ywDyu/19fe6385c4.jpg doen
  6. 00:09:669 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - use this rhythm instead http://puu.sh/ywDQR/159260dc2d.jpg
  7. 00:11:703 (1,1,2) - u could just make a simple pattern for this, such as triangle blanket pattern here. or to keep it safe, 3/4 reverse will do for its emphasize i made it 3/4 since i didnt know what a triangle blanket was :/
  8. 00:13:059 (5,6,1) - i wouldn't make this as a jump gap for (6), but 00:13:567 (1,2,3,4,5) - should be it i think i got it?
  9. 00:14:415 (4,5) - should be this instead http://puu.sh/ywDYU/841aba8222.jpg changed, but might consider re-changing it later since the background isnt *thattt* strong
  10. 00:15:771 (1) - this doesn't even deserve to have NC here, despite u were following the xylophone note here kk
  11. 00:15:093 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,1) - try this rhythm better http://puu.sh/ywE8m/9e8975a505.jpg done
  12. 00:18:991 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - NCs aren't quite right and the pattern use doesn't suit based on the rhythm here. perhaps u could use this rhythm that would make it more better to follow its vocal and notes http://puu.sh/ywHIo/ae0df2dee7.jpg i dont feel it ,sorry
  13. 00:42:889 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - why is this even a note placement? the 1/1 slider supposed to be a vocal that holds at 1/1 note. should be http://puu.sh/ywHNV/ba7e9c9af6.jpg + NC fix fixd
  14. 00:52:212 (1,2) - should be 7 1/4 note here ill try it until someone complains
  15. 00:53:059 (1,3) - i'd avoid overlapping these 2 from its tail k i made it same angle
  16. 00:59:754 - missing notei dont hear it, im deaf maybe
  17. 01:03:143 (3) - overmap note and there's nothing to support with it mbmb, god supported it
  18. 01:03:567 (1,2) - the distance between these 2 isn't a good idea for some players playing this diff and realize that it is a 1/1 note gap here with its close distance ill consult some people and check, will keep it in mind tho
  19. 01:24:923 (1,1,1) - vs 00:11:703 (1,1,2) - what? same note, but different i feel like it's fixed from making the first one a 3/4 slider
  20. 01:24:076 (6,1) - just use a 1/1 slider and a note better rather than a current one
ur diff is almost like "light extra" for me due to jumps with such gaps around there. also, i intentionally didn't want to mention anything about the patterns or its own flow, such as 00:30:008 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - for example, due to awkward flow for its movement there, 00:35:262 (4,5) - etc. i think u should review ur diffs all over again and try to focus on what you're trying to emphasize there, like 00:28:991 (1) - should be more further for its snare (?), missing notes around, flow, etc. should be a lesson for you here ok dad, i tried fixing as much as i can, i kept a few in mind, but fixed majority of what i wanted

just a tip. to make this "Insane" diff, i'd suggest using a lot of 1/2 sliders around for following vocals + 1/1 sliders too without making a huge gap for jumps, unless it's sth to emphasize

[Divine]
  1. 00:21:872 (1,3) - this blanket seems intentional for me, but ain't perfectly blanketed sadly
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - at least u could curve it better there with some adjustment
  3. 00:58:483 (1,3) - tbh i wouldn't recommend overlapping these 2 for those tails
  4. 01:17:974 (2) - why not this for following a vocal better http://puu.sh/ywJZz/8bdc57bba6.jpg
[n]
  1. why is this even sv 1.1? isn't this rly fast for beginner players to play with? it doesn't feel like friendly play for this sv tbh 1.1+.3 =
    divine's hard +.3 = insane; i'll see tho
  2. NC stuff is relatable as i have mentioned it from Insane ill figure it out later
  3. 00:01:534 (1) - u could just remove the 3rd anchor and just do this instead man http://puu.sh/ywK6T/0baa90a4d5.jpg im dumb
  4. 00:12:381 (2) - please make the DS more consistent as u have did like the restidk what went through my mind
  5. 00:19:500 (2,3,4) - please no. the flow would be confusing thinking that (4) should be clickable, even if its both with mods or not ???
  6. 00:24:584 (1,1) - spinner, then break for 1/1 gap... pretty much unrankable for a diff like this. normally you would have to skip to 4 white ticks there to give them a good time to read and a short amount of break after spinning it. or just map it like this http://puu.sh/ywKgK/13a6d24006.jpg thought the same, fixed
  7. 00:44:584 (4) - missing note that should be clickable fixed
  8. 01:00:686 (1,2,3) - http://puu.sh/ywKkD/30ebd409eb.jpg for vocals that holds 1/1 there k
  9. 01:13:228 (4) - too friendly play for a diff like this, as this supposed to be in Easy diff fixed
  10. 01:23:737 (3) - why this...? here http://puu.sh/ywKrI/742f26b5ad.jpg
fixed

i think you should learn more a bit about mapping lower diffs there just for a while tbh true

gl
YukiZura-
762 posts
Joined October 2015
YukiZura-
hi m4m from my q

[insane]
00:06:788 (5) - hurmm definately there is no sound there .. delete it
00:06:534 - and also at this part you can put a 2 note stream there..

suggestion
00:36:110 (7) - this note is unnacessary .. delete it because the song stop here 00:35:940 - and also there no sound at all 00:36:110 -
01:03:567 (1) - delete this nc
01:03:906 (2) - nc should be here

[normal]
00:48:822 (2,3) - weird
better this way
since this is normal .. minimal the note as possible ...
00:50:686 (1) - no need slider .. replace it with single hit circle

thats all .. my map for m4m : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/666042
btw goodluck ^^
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

lit120 wrote:

[Divine]
  1. 00:21:872 (1,3) - this blanket seems intentional for me, but ain't perfectly blanketed sadly im using default skin, it looks okay to me, doesnt have to be a perfect-pixel blanket
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - at least u could curve it better there with some adjustment it's fine
  3. 00:58:483 (1,3) - tbh i wouldn't recommend overlapping these 2 for those tails moved a bit left, but leaving it as it is
  4. 01:17:974 (2) - why not this for following a vocal better http://puu.sh/ywJZz/8bdc57bba6.jpg imo, both play fine. i like the two repeat sliders in a row, makes a nice flow as well
gl
ty for the mod!

also changed my kiai time to suggested one

Divine's Hard
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36,164,79500,2,0,L|48:304,1,140,0|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,268,80008,1,0,3:0:0:0:
180,368,80178,6,0,P|252:376|320:352,1,140,4|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,292,80686,2,0,P|432:312|452:336,2,70,0|0|0,0:0|3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
296,268,81195,1,8,0:0:0:0:
224,191,81364,6,0,P|260:134|327:128,1,140,0|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
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160,108,82720,1,0,3:0:0:0:
216,196,82889,5,8,3:2:0:0:
140,268,83059,1,8,0:0:0:0:
216,340,83228,1,8,0:0:0:0:
288,264,83398,2,0,L|368:260,2,70,0|0|0,0:0|3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
352,348,83906,1,8,0:0:0:0:
444,296,84076,6,0,L|456:152,1,140,0|0,3:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
372,92,84584,1,8,0:0:0:0:
300,168,84754,1,8,0:0:0:0:
300,168,84839,1,8,0:0:0:0:
300,168,84923,2,0,B|232:160|232:160|196:168,2,105,12|12|12,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,244,85601,6,0,P|152:240|116:188,1,140,0|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
272,328,86279,2,0,P|308:332|340:320,1,70,0|8,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,292,86534,1,8,0:0:0:0:
384,292,86618,1,8,0:0:0:0:
412,192,86788,1,12,0:0:0:0:
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Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

YukiZura- wrote:

hi m4m from my q

[insane]
00:06:788 (5) - hurmm definately there is no sound there .. delete it fixed yesterday
00:06:534 - and also at this part you can put a 2 note stream there.. i made it a 5 note instead since there was sound before, thanks for pointing it out for me <3

suggestion
not in this diff sorry
00:36:110 (7) - this note is unnacessary .. delete it because the song stop here 00:35:940 - and also there no sound at all 00:36:110 - fixed yesterday
01:03:567 (1) - delete this nc iffy but ok
01:03:906 (2) - nc should be here ^

[normal]
00:48:822 (2,3) - weird i removed 3, ty
better this way
since this is normal .. minimal the note as possible ...
00:50:686 (1) - no need slider .. replace it with single hit circle done

thats all .. my map for m4m : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/666042
btw goodluck ^^
thanks
Cote
275 posts
Joined January 2015
Cote
Hi random mod as the song is nice

Normal

  1. 00:01:534 (1) - This slider does not convince me at all, Try this so that the body of the slider to make it much more appealing
  2. 00:05:771 (6,7,8,9) - This is a little complicated considering that these difficulties are played by beginning people, you could try 00:05:771 (6) - Slider 1/2 and 00:06:110 (8) - Slider 1/2
  3. 00:18:822 - Why skip :c, The song is still being very fluid here so this gap is kind of awkward, put a circle on top of 00:18:991 (1) -
  4. 00:23:228 (1) - You could round this slider, imo is better
  5. 00:35:093 - The same as above, idk why do you skip this

Divine's Hard

  1. 00:05:432 (1) - try to stack on 00:04:754 (2) - this you could also try with 00:16:110 (4) -
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - Mmm, this curve in the slider does not convince me, mainly because it does not emphasize the music part, I suggest to make it simpler
  3. 01:07:127 (3,1) - why not try to do a blanket here, imo is better

Insane

  1. 00:14:754 (8,1) - This is very close, it makes the player think that it is a 1/4 stream, maybe you could give it more space

    Nice diff! but you could work in the spaces, since sometimes the circle or slider is very close and others very far away, which is confusing in some cases.
Gl!
DivineEnigma
330 posts
Joined June 2015
DivineEnigma

wolf3211 wrote:

Hi random mod as the song is nice

Divine's Hard

  1. 00:05:432 (1) - try to stack on 00:04:754 (2) - this you could also try with 00:16:110 (4) - mm I think it's fine. I sometimes break the use of consistency with DS to overlap slightly.
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - Mmm, this curve in the slider does not convince me, mainly because it does not emphasize the music part, I suggest to make it simpler imo it's simple, it's just a wavy curve that's used throughout the map. it's nothing new the player wouldn't see
  3. 01:07:127 (3,1) - why not try to do a blanket here, imo is better no thanks, i'd have to move it even further to blanket and it still works this way
Gl!
ty!
Twiggles
155 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
Twiggles

wolf3211 wrote:

Hi random mod as the song is nice

Normal

  1. 00:01:534 (1) - This slider does not convince me at all, Try this so that the body of the slider to make it much more appealing ok, dad
  2. 00:05:771 (6,7,8,9) - This is a little complicated considering that these difficulties are played by beginning people, you could try 00:05:771 (6) - Slider 1/2 and 00:06:110 (8) - Slider 1/2 instead, i made it 1 1/2 and a circle
  3. 00:18:822 - Why skip :c, The song is still being very fluid here so this gap is kind of awkward, put a circle on top of 00:18:991 (1) -while i can't put a circle on top, i can put a circle next to it
  4. 00:23:228 (1) - You could round this slider, imo is better rounded
  5. 00:35:093 - The same as above, idk why do you skip thisgod says otherwise, sorry


Divine's Hard

  1. 00:05:432 (1) - try to stack on 00:04:754 (2) - this you could also try with 00:16:110 (4) -
  2. 00:28:652 (1) - Mmm, this curve in the slider does not convince me, mainly because it does not emphasize the music part, I suggest to make it simpler
  3. 01:07:127 (3,1) - why not try to do a blanket here, imo is better

Insane

  1. 00:14:754 (8,1) - This is very close, it makes the player think that it is a 1/4 stream, maybe you could give it more space fixed last mod

    Nice diff! but you could work in the spaces, since sometimes the circle or slider is very close and others very far away, which is confusing in some cases.
Gl!
ty for mod <3<3
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