N0thingSpecial wrote:

DT and HR makes things seem vroom vroom think no need rhythm sense so mashinged and mashing makes improvement sad

Blitzfrog wrote:

I actually think HD is one of the worst...

Just because of the sheer fact that it changes playstyle

Sayorie wrote:

As HD fades out the hit objects before they're supposed to be hit, it makes precision aiming more difficult than nomod. Also zero stack leniency is a **** in HD.

Well, whatever.

Blitzfrog wrote:

But at higher star rating it's vroom vroom anyway

Lolinator2000 wrote:

nice misspelling of practice

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Lolinator2000 wrote:

nice misspelling of practice

Sayorie wrote:

Lolinator2000 wrote:

nice misspelling of practice

A 13-year old like you can easily google the word for verification if it is thought of as invalid.

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Blitzfrog wrote:

Just wondering why you folks say that using mod doesn't build base skills.
I mean in one sense they're still just playing the game in the exact same way, HR could very well be a no mod, DT too except with higher ar.

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to argue against this but just wondering where this was coming from

markii wrote:

Blitzfrog wrote:

because if you DT a 3.5* map to make it 5* or whatever it ends up being, you aren't learning more complex patterns you are just faster at REALLY easy stuff, HR has a similar issue, with pattern complexity, but not as extreme, also HR has a high skill floor to even hit the circle accurately, if you are a low rated player there's a VERY good chance you simply don't have the control, and accuracy for OD 10 and cs 5.2~, not to mention you probably can't read AR10, so by the time you spend 6 months brute forcing your way to learning HR you're right where you were with nomod in PP value, but now you can play HR, if you got good enough for it to come naturally, you can spend those 6 months focusing on getting good.

Blitzfrog wrote:

Sure enough about the patterns, but by that criteria shouldn't people just look for complex pattern makers like Hollow Wings and Skystar?
That literately helps them more in terms of pattern than playing 500 different no mod TV sized jump maps

Eraser wrote:

Blitzfrog wrote:

Sure enough about the patterns, but by that criteria shouldn't people just look for complex pattern makers like Hollow Wings and Skystar?
That literately helps them more in terms of pattern than playing 500 different no mod TV sized jump maps

Yes, people should.
But you know, pp and stuff

B1rd wrote:

ame to asphalt is a good map.

Sandy Hoey wrote:

Well, maybe it's different for me than it is for you. I can't read at all with nomod on. I basically become retarded

Sayorie wrote:

Sandy Hoey wrote:

Well, maybe it's different for me than it is for you. I can't read at all with nomod on. I basically become retarded

You know, you can make a skin for nomod similar to HD with invisible approach circles. It's basically HD but without the hit object fading out. You probably just can't read default nomod because of the approach circle clutter.

Blitzfrog wrote:

Sure enough about the patterns, but by that criteria shouldn't people just look for complex pattern makers like Hollow Wings and Skystar?
That literately helps them more in terms of pattern than playing 500 different no mod TV sized jump maps

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Blitzfrog wrote:

Sure enough about the patterns, but by that criteria shouldn't people just look for complex pattern makers like Hollow Wings and Skystar?
That literately helps them more in terms of pattern than playing 500 different no mod TV sized jump maps

Every pattern has its merit, but that being said , from a mapping perspective, mapping low star rating discourage complex patterns, DT is therefore just more physically demanding in terms of spacing, no real challenge in the reading department.
HR I don't have much comment since I don't play with HR that often, but I think what happens is that your aim is gonna be reaction base and not muscle memory based, tapping when aim is muscle memory based is much more consistent that's how you overcome OD10, you develop muscle memory better on slow shit where you can actually read the fukin pattern

Also skystar patterns are not that complex lol

markii wrote:

because if you DT a 3.5* map to make it 5* or whatever it ends up being, you aren't learning more complex patterns you are just faster at REALLY easy stuff, HR has a similar issue, with pattern complexity, but not as extreme, also HR has a high skill floor to even hit the circle accurately, if you are a low rated player there's a VERY good chance you simply don't have the control, and accuracy for OD 10 and cs 5.2~, not to mention you probably can't read AR10, so by the time you spend 6 months brute forcing your way to learning HR you're right where you were with nomod in PP value, but now you can play HR, if you got good enough for it to come naturally, you can spend those 6 months focusing on getting good.

N0thingSpecial wrote:

Would you DT 6* doe? No

No, just DT 7* like Rafis


Would you HR something if you can't even confidently hit complex patterns in AR9? No for reasons I mentioned, rohulk is good at HR cause he seen shit ton of patterns and he can confidently hit them no matter wat AR.

By that criteria, should EZ not be the best mod then? HR doesn't really change the pattern except isolating notes, which means the problem here is the high AR. So by that criteria shouldn't EZ be better than no mod? From my experience with EZ, a different type of reading though




Chromo divers is just tip of the iceberg, it's a nice map but it's not challenging in the reading department

Well to be honest most that have good patterns are in the graveyard...

Blitzfrog wrote:

By that criteria, should EZ not be the best mod then? HR doesn't really change the pattern except isolating notes, which means the problem here is the high AR. So by that criteria shouldn't EZ be better than no mod? From my experience with EZ, a different type of reading though

N0thingSpecial wrote:

confidently hit them no matter wat AR