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random thoughts while mapping

IS THAT DNB?!?!

WIP map

tim,ing hlap.

maybe its ok now

im goin crazy with these wubs man

jUMPSTREAMS WhgAT

I think I'm retarded.



ok im back and time to finish this map

finished, now i just need hitsounds (:

actually hitsounded now so

Remus wrote:

nice copying of Fanteer's structure bro

squirrelpascals wrote:

i pressed the spacebar and lost my mod detailed mod. Idk what happened.

Screenshots I still have open:

- https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7476417 (recommending better circular flow here). Clockwise transformation to the entire pattern and ctrl+r the slider by 90 anti clockwise. Blanket accordingly I feel as if this is alright anyway, it plays fine and i believe it doesn't need to be changed

- https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7476444 I felt like 1 stood out aesthetically from the original pattern but this is just a suggestion alright, changed up the pattern slightly

Timing

• Use only one timing point at offset 153 ms, same bpm

• Go to timing tab, move all notes in time by -5 ms

• 00:00:179 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - Make that selection and just move it back to the according timing points with your cursor manually

• Timing tab, resnap all notes

• Move all uninherited points by -5 ms

This method left a lot of unsnapped slider ends for me one time but another time it didn't. I think if this happens though ctrl+s over the sliders and not changing them works.

I'm a bit unsure about the timing so I'll leave it be as is for now, I'll ask a few people and see if I can figure out the timing! Thanks anyway though!

Hope that still helped. You can ask me to mod this again later if you want so its more in deatil

davidminh0111 wrote:

Mod:
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-00:07:343 (3, 4):Don't stack them. It looks confuse its fine as I do it everywhere here
-00:13:649 (7, 1):The distance is too far. I use the same kind of distance for the rest of this section~
-00:14:160 (3):Move it more higher. yea sure why not


Looks good now
Btw, Nice music thanks haha

Mir wrote:

M4M for my mappu.~

[ General]

1. 00:00:184 - has conflicting timing lines. Seems to be volume. fixed

[ Extra]

1. 00:00:695 - I'm going to point it out just this once I promise. I really think you should map this note. It doesn't really make sense to me if you map only a portion of this sound and then leave one note out of it. The song is still constant and this note deserves to be mapped imo. It also plays fairly awkwardly because you can clearly hear the sound yet it isn't mapped, and it's the sound that is being followed. I get that you're following only the higher pitches, but I think that the lower pitch is still part of the whole phrase. If you don't want to make it a circle, a slider would work too so you at least get the sound on the end. It's also extremely weird because you end up mapping it at 00:11:093 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - and it feels like you just came up with the idea to map it with a slider end here and not before. kinda tried to fix this by adding a note inbetween, should be better now
   
2. 00:23:680 - From here until the snares actually kick in, I don't think you should use clap hitsounds. If you want to emphasize these notes I would suggest using a soft whistle or something, since there's no actual snare in the song yet. alright removed
   
3. 00:25:726 (4) - Would make this one circles because the vocal stops on the white. You could even stack it on the head of the next slider to get a nice pause effect. At the moment a slider doesn't seem to fit since you mapped the continuous vocals before with a slider, but this static one is also a slider. the vocal goes all the way to the red so im keeping it
   
4. 00:27:430 (1) - The gap after this slider is weird because it's not done at 00:21:976 (1) - and that causes an inconsistency. What you could do is make this a reverse, fill in the gap with a circle or something, or make the other one have a gap. changed
   
5. 00:37:658 (5,7) - Yeah I mentioned this before but I still think you should change the shape of (7) because it's kind of misleading, especially to people that play with custom skins as the (5) doesn't fade out fully before the (7) comes in, so some players could see (7) as a kickslider (which obviously isn't the case) and sliderbreak here. Another reason this is misleading is where the slider end is - it points downwards under the previous slider. If you look at this picture it could easily be mistaken as a kickslider. moved placement a little bit
   
6. 00:43:367 (8,1) - Would be cool to introduce a streamjump here for two reasons: 1. For emphasis. 2. To introduce it early so a player can expect more later since in the later parts of the map you use streamjumps a LOT. I'd rather keep it as-is right now
   
7. 01:05:612 (1,2) - This is offstacked but the previous one at 00:54:362 (5,6) - isn't offstacked. Should choose one to keep consistent since the song doesn't change the way it does this pause in the latter case. fixed for consistency
   
8. 01:15:157 (1) - Some hitsound is missing on this end. woops
   
9. 01:19:078 (6,7,1) - This triple seems very out of place considering the song isn't much different and you didn't use it before, not to mention there's no actual triple in the song. You don't use another triple for the rest of this section so I would suggest removing it. removed
   
10. 01:20:612 (1,2,3,4,5) - Very surprising to have such spaced kicksliders so quickly, especially after the map has been relatively consistent until this point. The player will be so conditioned to play the placements and rhythm you've set out (as you're mapping DnB) that throwing this pattern at them could cause unnecessary breaks. What you could do is drastically lower the spacing of the pattern, or even increase it over time... but lowering spacing keeps the concept more. lowered spacing
    
11. 01:24:703 (1,2) - These sliders should be a relatively similar shape because at the moment the difference in shape implies that the (2) is somehow different than the (1) when they in fact map the same sounds. It also looks aesthetically awkward because the (1) doesn't seem to be part of a pattern at all. fixed
    
12. 01:35:101 (5,6) - This stack feels somewhat off because 01:34:760 (3) - that came right before it is very close to visually being stacked on it. Having the (6) be a perfect stack kind of doesn't make sense to me. In all honesty it would be better to space out the (5) and make the (6) a circle because it is a much stronger sound and there's a small pause afterwards you can emphasize.. moved a little
    
13. 01:49:248 (1) - 01:51:976 (1) - 01:53:339 (1) - and similar cases could use cooler shapes because the sound is much more noticeable there. Especially because the rest of the sliders all look generic and this sound really stands out. I think this isnt really necessary, as it would currently ruin the visual aesthetic I have in this section if I make them different, resulting in me having to reconsider half the placements on this section to fit in
    
14. 02:15:839 (5,6,7) - You could align this if you want to. attempted to
    
15. 02:18:907 (6,7,8) - There's no triple in the song here and it's pretty inconsistent with the rest of this section because it's never used before. 02:18:907 (6,7,8) - there is defenitely a triple here, the other ones I can agree on were subjective, but this one is defenitely there, i mapped without it but when listening to it again i heard it and decided not to leave it out.
    
16. 02:25:214 (3) - This is inconsistent because all instances of this slider for this rhythm are extended sliders, yet this one isn't. There's also no change in the song or sound. I think you should make these all extended to fit what you were doing earlier. It goes on for quite a while after here. sure
    
17. 02:28:453 (5) - Slider shape was never used for this sound before, and it's really noticeable too because of how scrunched up it is. The shape itself doesn't demand as much movement as the other shapes you've used so far like 02:25:726 (5). fixed this crappy slider
    
18. 02:32:544 (7,8) - There could be at least some movement here because the song and sound is somewhat still going. You could decrease the spacing or lead these notes into the next slider. I don't think there should be movement as the melody stops and its only the drums and percussion sounds left, therefore i make movement stop when melody stops. for emphasis ofc
    
19. 02:40:726 (5,1) - This is a huge 1/4 gap... in fact all of the 1/4 gaps after sliders in the kiai are massive. Like 02:24:703 (1,2) - is reasonable but 02:27:430 (1,2) - is kind of overkill. made it less overkill
    
20. 02:43:794 - 02:54:703 - The song is fairly calm here compared to the rest of it. In fact it's the only calm part since the intro which was still more intense than here - yet this section is mapped with a lot of jumps and a relatively fast slider velocity. I don't really think that this section warrants this type of intensity to be perfectly honest, and if you lowered the intensity here by reducing overall SV and spacing, the more intense parts would stand out more. I can understand if this increase happened at 02:54:703 - but before it isn't really too representative of the song in my opinion. lowered spacing in this section
    
21. 03:37:998 (2) - This would work much better as a circle because the sound is sudden and not held. It would also give more emphasis to the next slider. sure, and stacked it on the next slider
    
22. 03:42:430 (1,2,3,4,5) - There's no change in the song from parts like 03:47:885 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - so I think you should remove the kickslider pattern as it unnecessarily increases difficulty for a part of the song that has no special sounds to emphasize. 03:53:339 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - here it's more justifiable though, because there are sounds in the back you could emphasize. The sound is in the background here too, so I'm keeping this pattern
    
23. 03:49:248 (1,2) - Could both be curved or angled to create a pattern, at the moment these slider shapes look random. alright
    
24. 03:51:805 (6,7,1) - Another triple that doesn't need to be here because there's no triple in the song and the song doesn't use an extreme form of syncopation. It's also inconsistent with the rest of this section. It may be consistent with where you used it before, but it's not going to be noticeable to players so it will seem out of place in play. ok removed
    
25. 04:00:157 (1,2) - Could work really nicely if you stacked (2)'s head underneath (1)'s end because the song kind of pauses here. It would also put more emphasis on said pause seeing as how you would have to follow (1) fully in order to hit (2)'s head. cool idea, did this
    
26. 04:15:157 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - You never use this kind of jump pattern anywhere else in the map, and this one is really noticeable. I think you should try a different pattern, especially because this pattern is so noticeable that it would make more sense to use it to emphasize a more noticeable musical phrase. These jumps are mapped to extremely tame sounds. If you wanted to emphasize this last intense part, you should use local emphasis to do this sort of noticeable change for the whole section and not just this instantaneous moment. You could just increase spacing in general for this section and create a more spaced pattern tbh. adjusted
    
27. 04:17:203 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - These were never used anywhere else for these sounds and introducing such a major variation on sounds that are not in any way different from those in the beginning of the map. I really think you should map this as you did earlier in the map because there's no change to warrant this type of variation, especially the rhythm change. Also this blanket is nghn: 04:17:885 (1,2) made it consistent
    
28. 04:42:771 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - What. what? it fits the music and is fine?
    
29. 04:52:316 - Again with the snares. ^^
    
30. 04:56:066 (1,2) - 04:58:794 (1,2) - 05:01:521 (1,2) - Vocal notes here that you would otherwise use circles for, there's no change in the vocal rhythm so the rhythm for these should be the same too. adjusted one or two, but they are extended for the finish-kinda sound on them
    
31. 05:05:612 (1) - Might be too slow to be honest. While following the map in editor I missed it lol. This would work better because you have to move through the body to hit the head, which allows for the player to better adapt to the SV change due to the slowdown effect this causes upon hitting the slider. is fine imo

Eettoo... good luck! :3 Thanks a lot Mir for this huge mod o:

yaspo wrote:

Hi there! Still a noob modder, so take everything with a grain of salt.

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00:04:956 (5,6) - this doesn't break implied slider flow as strongly as the previous patterns, so the sounds don't feel as emphasized in my opinion
It might be better to make more similar patterns as before (sharper angle and/or larger spacing).
Same for 00:07:684 (5,6) - 00:09:047 (5,6) - 00:10:411 (5,6) - sure, fixed

00:14:161 (3,4) - Spacing and and flow emphasis on 4 are much lower than all other patterns in this section fixed

00:37:998 (7) - This slider in itself is a bit awkward in this position. Judging from the slider shape, a player will play this mostly by staying in place.
This creates an awkward linear motion between 00:37:828 (6,7,1) (quick back and forth -> stop -> small spacing). It might be better to opt for a slider that isn't vertical like 00:37:658 (5,6) - and/or a slider that forces the player to move more so the difference is more apparent and emphasis is stronger. I personally thing that this works fine as it emphasizes the next slider far more because of both the angle and the need to slow down your cursor speed.

00:51:294 (3,4,5,6) - In this section your spacing emphasis is a bit inconsistent. This pattern has roughly equal spacing throughout, while nearly all other patterns have les spacing for the last note (example 00:45:839 (3,4,5,6) - ) . I suggest you simply reduce the spacing to 6 like you did everywhere else.
Same for 00:48:567 (3,4,5,6) - 00:59:476 (3,4,5,6) - 01:18:567 (3,4,5,6) - fixed them

01:17:885 (1,2) and 01:23:339 (1,2) - Different rhythm, flow and spacing for the same sounds, should be more similar. changed up a bit

01:38:339 (1) - Starting from here until here 01:58:794 (1) - (so the entire wub section) your slider usage for the longer sounds might be inconsistent
You use smooth curves and almost-straight red-anchor sliders for both
- wub sounds (example 01:39:703 (1) - 01:40:385 (4) - )
- and synth sounds (example 01:38:339 (1) - 01:43:794 (1) - )
even though there always is an SV change on the synth, it might be more fitting to use similar shaped sliders for similar sounds and differently shaped sliders for different sounds, I feel like that is important for wub sections, but I might be hella wrong.
Though, the aesthetics do work very well as it is, as you responded to Mir's mod. Once again I think it is fine, not really too important considering the overall structure of the wub section, although i will consider it if it gets pointed out again~

02:18:225 (2,3,4,5) - This pattern jumped out as odd during play. While previously only back and forth 1/4th slider patterns were stacked, you now stack linear flow for no real reason. I think it would be much better if you ctrl + g'd 3 and 5 switched it up a bit

cool streams! Thanks!
lots of similar nitpicks blah blah

05:05:612 (1) - This seems too slow. You seem to be using a similar buildup as in the intro (first stacking, then spaced patterns, etc) for the section after 04:25:385 - meaning that the drums on 05:05:102 (1,2) - make me expect a drop or at least a progression towards one (comparable to 00:38:339 (1) - ) instead of an abrupt ending of the map The song ends on such a strong sound i felt like emphasizing it by having a slow slider which imo fits well, and i placed the slider before it in such a way that you most likely will not break on this.

Overall a cool and fun map, good luck! Thanks!

joker- wrote:

Hi! mod req from my queue

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1. I can hear your Normal whistle sounds kinda weak. You may want to use this one? sure!
2. 00:21:294 - add same hitsound as 00:21:633 (1,1,1) - ? fixed
3. 00:41:067 (1,2,3,4) - i suggest to increase distances gradually. the reason why players can feel beyond the excited part.
   i will leave placement to you cuz of you bethink good one than me i think lo i did this
4. 01:18:738 (4) - missing whistle as your whistle pattern. 01:21:464 (6) - same fixed
5. 01:38:339 (1) - can you try to increase SV to 1.1~1.2? should be better to suit starting excited part in my thought. if you agree with my opinion, can you check them together? 03:16:521 (1) - sure
6. In addition, you missed blanket on 01:37:998 (5,1) - , then can you check it? fixed
7. 05:07:998 (1,1) - it's a just my preference. can you try to change SV each other? i bethink it you inserted NC them.
   although i cant explain my thought well in english. so can you look at gif below?
   
   SPOILER

   
   I prefer it the way I have it now

you have good skills at mapping. Especially, placement and playable impressed to my heart
Good Luck with you! take my star~!

Nikakis wrote:

~hi

00:00:865 (5) - : this slider's placement is weird.you have stacked the previous two notes plus this flow,just no,the player will sliderbreak it for sure.try this https://puu.sh/vaB6y/5ebf04c5c1.png moved a bit
00:14:502 (4,5,6,7) - uhm,no.Really uncomfortable movement,remap it why? it works just fine?
00:26:408 (1) - : move it somewhere else I see no reason to? it plays fine and is easily readable
00:34:248 (1,2,3,4) - : why those have different spacing than those 00:36:976 (1,2,3,4) - ? the difference is noticeable,especially when i was playing it.balance them 00:37:317 (3,4) - these are spaced further apart than the previous pattern because the sound is more intense here, transitioning into the kicksliders
00:43:794 (1) - : add kiai? I'd prefer to only have the kiai where it is right now
00:44:817 (5) - : sad circle.stack it on the tail of the upcoming slider,makes much better effect and more psysical movement. https://puu.sh/vaC00/71aa6aac9c.png the circle is fine
00:45:839 (3,4,5,6) - : why you afraid so much to extend the spaces?the song is getting more and more powerful,what is this? Ive fixed all my weird ass antijumps so i wont respond to the rest of these spacing ones cuz ive fixed em
00:47:544 (5,6) - : same as above,just why.stop focusing on how to stack them properly,and think more naturally on mapping
00:54:362 (5,6) - : empasize those with big jumps,you have a deep beat here,why you stack them. They are stacked because the melody in the background stops, therefore I stop the movement of the player
00:57:089 (5) - : make it circles No reason to, there's a held sound and the slider in consistent with all similar parts
01:01:180 (5,6) - : space them out god damn it.here you have a correct distance 01:03:908 (5,6) - ,space them just like this
01:22:317 (11) - : add NC Why? I see no need for it

LOL,i just realised you have 0 breaks.I mean the player needs to relax completely ,not even to spin,decide by yourself which spinner you should delete. It's only 5 min and there is no place for a break imo, and there is no need to have a break?

01:51:976 (1) - : make it sharpy or something like that,the beat is getting different.a typical slider shape doesnt fit here.oh i found one that you did 01:54:021 (4) - gone over this before but it's fine
02:02:373 (6) - : im not sure but you gotta NC it,even if it's a red tick Why should I mess up my consistency with NCing ? I don't understand your NC suggestions
02:32:543 (7,8,1) - y,i mentioned it before.you stack those plus this distance to the next slider,it's uh.at least space out the slider or unstack the notes adressed this before
02:36:123 (3) - : ugly slider It's fine imo? it's a regular straight slider lmao
02:43:112 (4) - : add NC
03:00:498 (2,3) - : bad flow It's a pretty slow part so it's fine to have some more uncomfortable flow
03:00:839 (3) - : add NC,earlier you were nc'ing those beats now what?i found a random one too 03:01:521 (1) - yes nc all of them ?
03:12:089 (6) - : here you should add NC?

Αgain spinners,dude...the player NEEDS a complete break. not really

03:55:726 (5,6) - : please space them out,i really wonder why you afraid to extend those.i hope you will explain to me

04:05:612 (1) - : this should be clickable,make it circles it's a wub sound here, therefore the slider?

04:25:385 (4) - : add NC why

Zer0- wrote:

Nikakis wrote:

~hi

LOL,i just realised you have 0 breaks.I mean the player needs to relax completely ,not even to spin,decide by yourself which spinner you should delete. It's only 5 min and there is no place for a break imo, and there is no need to have a break?