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Sayuri - Heikousen [Taiko]

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Charlotte

[R] wrote:

yo yoo

[Futsuu]
00:10:691 (14,15) - swap ?? match with vocal & instrument nope.I want to used dd kk pattern.
01:04:626 - change don to give variety with 01:05:882 - I changed next kkd→kdd
01:14:835 - change kat to reflec pattern in 01:15:307 (139,140) - nope.I think still low pitch.
01:23:631 - change don ?? fixed.

[Inner Oni]
00:42:165 - change don, match with vocal fixed.
00:43:108 (75,76) - invert, ^ ^
01:07:767 - change don to emphasize pattern in 01:07:924 - nope.I think k is good.
01:09:888 - change kat ?? I changed kdkkd

that's all from me
go[/color]od luck

_yu68 wrote:

hello~
via in-game.

mod
[General]
  1. BPM191のTiming Pointは目盛りから見て00:27:718 - で引く方が適切なように思います。変更する場合はresnapもしてください。Timmingはまだ保留で!。
  2. Widescreen Supportのチェックを全てのdiffで統一してください。Kantan,Futsuu,Muzukashiiにのみチェックが入っています。fixed.
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:36:511 - change to k? 直前のkから下がっているような雰囲気を感じます。直後のkが表しているハイハットの強調という意味も含めて提案します。fixed.
  2. 01:05:882 - change to d? 1つ前の1/2kkdとの音程差が再生中に気になりました。^
  3. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:657 - ? 基本的にボーカルの音は始点が曖昧であるため、シンプルなリズムを犠牲にしてまで正確に合わせる必要性は無いように思います。
  4. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - ? ボーカルにより忠実なように聞こえます。上記の提案を適用するならばこちらは無視してください。後者に合わせてみます。
[Inner Oni]
  1. 01:02:270 - change to k? ボーカルのピッチが特に高く聞こえます。
  2. 01:17:113 - change to k? 前のkkdddとの配色被りを避けるとより流れが自然になるように感じます。
  3. 01:28:579 - Futsuuと同様です。

    all fixed.

good luck!

Akemi_Homura wrote:

Haloo~! Charlotte san~ >< sorry for late..
My modding is include personal feeling & suggestion.
Please feel free to ignore, If my modding affect your mapping style. sure.

d = don
D = big don
k = kat
K = big kat

  • [General]
  1. Wide screen.. aww.... already _yu said. =w= fixed.
  2. And I agree _yu's opinion. end note move to 01:28:605 is more fit to vocal imo. fixed.

  • [Futsuu]
  1. 00:28:972 (1) - add finisher~? (burst cymbal sound here.) I think no need strong.
  2. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound.) fixed.
  3. 01:05:882 (111, 112) - swap this~? (01:06:040 has burst sound. and kdk is more fit to express vocal's variation.) I changed kdd
  4. 01:12:951 (134) - how about change to k~? (01:12:951 has tick sound & high bell sound. and I think dkk also emphasize next d k.(vocal variation.))
    fixed.
  5. 01:23:317 (166) - just suggestion. how about move to 01:23:945~? (I feel this break point more express vocal.:3) nope.I prefer now pattern.

  • [Inner Oni]
  1. 00:12:921 - How about add d here~? :3 (Muzu & Oni use d here. but Inner Oni no note this point. maybe we can add d here for better diff balance.) fixed.
  2. 01:26:458 (432) - change to k~? (for better flow with next d.) nope.I think don is good.
  3. 00:59:129 (196) - finisher here please.(same burst sound with 00:49:076.) fixed.
  4. 01:19:233 (370) - add finisher~? and delete 01:19:390.(01:19:390 no special sound. so we can delete this for emphasize finisher.) fixed.
Sorry for poor mod. all diff well mapped, and I enjoyed them all.
I think this map is already rankable quality. :D
hope this rank soon..!
GL~~! :3
Thank you mod :)
Kin

Akemi_Homura wrote:

  • [Kin's Kantan]
  1. 00:00:961 (2) - how about change to k~?((2) vocal & instrument pitch is higher than (1). exactly, I think dkd is best choice for follow pitch, but dkk is acceptable too. becuase (2) and (3) has high pitch both.) I'll go with dkk
  2. 00:07:448 (8, 9) - swap this~? so change to kdk.(same reason with above. vocal & instrument pitch is upward from (8) to (9).) I prefer to keep them as kkd. since 00:06:637 (7,8) - are quite similar ; while 00:08:259 (9) - is different.
  3. 00:36:197 (34) - change to k~? (same drum sound with (33) & (36).) I can understand why, but I prefer to keep it a ddk. It's much simpler, and still flow good.
  4. 00:49:704 (52) - same suggestion here~ :) change to k please.(same reason about pitch. and it's make more consistent kat rhythm. kk k kk.) ye, changed as dkk
  5. 00:56:301 (63, 66) - how about change to d these two notes~?(we can express variation of vocal.) I can also understand why, but I prefer to keep it simple with monocolor
  6. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound with 00:49:076.)
  7. 01:16:406 (95, 98) - same thing. change to d them.
  8. 01:19:233 (100) - add finisher~? (same burst sound with 01:09:181.) both finisher added

  9. It's a just suggetion about 00:54:102 ~ 01:05:411.
    maybe we can make a symmetry structure like this.

    I love your style. but I can't just ignore this chance to make nice structure. :3
    Please feel free to ignore this suggestion.

  10. same suggstion in 01:13:579 ~ 01:24:259.

    we can make same symmetry structure this part.
    I prefer to keep the way it is, since it's really vocal oriented
thanks for your mod!

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Surono
>General

so I think, just kin thats not mapped this part bcus he is not weeb lul. okey 01:28:605 (435) - is it necessary to snapped at timing snap or keep like that?

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher
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>Inner Oni
01:02:584 - idk why this kat, just overdone if emphasized. you need contrast between 01:02:427 - this pitch with 01:02:741 - this snare

01:07:767 - you can don it for contrast or 01:07:610 - just don it if you wanted 01:07:767 - emphasized this snare, but I'd like to don that snare bcus you follow vocal right? just like 01:20:333 - here

oriental style vocal? idk but good
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>Oni
01:24:731 - add kat here to keep consistency with 01:24:574 - this sound

01:25:516 - same above if you want

seems the rest section are good well with the song, 01:08:553 - tho I wanted to point out this 7plet to be simple but I realized its emphasized vocal, yeah you already did 01:18:605 - here since theres just drum haha
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>Muzukashii
01:10:437 - 01:15:464 - 01:15:464 - you can kat these for variation, but try to find variation by yourself from half of kiai

yeah I still belive, Muzukashii is perfect diff..doesnt matter who map that
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>Futsuu
01:11:066 - pls kat this ty

01:20:804 - if you want don it for similar level of 01:20:490 - this pitch vocal, "ki" "mi"

01:24:259 - 01:24:574 - swap these then move to 01:23:945 - here, follow vocal then 01:24:574 - this rest section and start 01:24:888 - follow music, makes sense for me

2/1 rest sections are sufficient
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>Kantan
00:25:691 - 00:28:529 - is it okay to not put spinner? bcus ur not weeb right lol

00:38:081 - add here or 00:37:767 - move to 00:37:610 - here, prefer move to the snare as accurate to drum and simple pattern but not complex

00:46:249 - its okay to add don, then 00:47:191 - don too, and 00:47:820 - you had looong rest from here

00:53:474 - weird if you empty here, 00:54:102 - move left then kat. 00:52:846 - 00:53:474 - these vocal or we call that sound from mouth are high range so important to emphasize in there imo

00:59:129 - finish

01:04:155 - ~ 01:07:924 - too simple, 01:05:097 - 01:07:610 - might you want add there notes, see the futsuu density..

01:21:118 - don if you want, reasons same above

01:27:401 - ..............

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iloveyou4ever

Surono wrote:

>General

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher
In my point of view,Kantan is like ''1/1 based'',the gap is so big,that's why it needs finishers for the emphasising purpose.
For Inner Oni,the patterns are so dense there,as the first beat,it needs to be a finisher to play a dominant role,so the patterns can be carried on in a smoother way.
For muzukashii (my difficulty) 00:28:972 - part,reason of not putting the finisher is that I guess you know that I'm mapping the drum instead of vocal(in fact I am trying to mix them,but I follow the drum more).And there's not a really strong drum beat there,it's not really dominant to me I'd say.That's why I didn't put a finisher there.
And 00:39:024 - ,I try to give player a break there as I put 4 1/1 space for player after this point.And you can also hear that the guitar sound for 00:39:024 - and 00:40:280 - are similar.Neither one of them is more dominant than the other one,that's why I also didn't put finisher there.

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>Muzukashii
01:10:437 - 01:15:464 - 01:15:464 - you can kat these for variation, but try to find variation by yourself from half of kiai
There's background drum kick on every 2nd and 4th beats in each bars in the kiai time,eg 01:09:495 - 01:10:280 - 01:10:752 - etc.
That's why I put them all k,and the reason that why I put other notes at d is that I try to emphasize the drum.My mapping style in this difficulty is following the drum,and mix with vocal sometimes.If I change these to kat,it will make the mapping style become inconsistent somehow,and also lose the emphasising effect for this part.I agree that using variation is important.However,in fact I have use variation for the use of triplets,not the patterns(d/k).Like there're more triplets in the kiai time to show the intensity of the music.So I think keeping these d is fine.For consistency of mapping style purpose


yeah I still belive, Muzukashii is perfect diff..doesnt matter who map that
Thanks for modding :)
Nardoxyribonucleic

Surono wrote:

>General

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher They are intentional as the background instrument there is not strong enough for finish.
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>Oni
01:24:731 - add kat here to keep consistency with 01:24:574 - this sound I would prefer focusing on the snare at 01:24:574 and 01:25:359 - as vocal paused for a longer period of time starting from 01:24:259 -

01:25:516 - same above if you want Refer to ^

seems the rest section are good well with the song, 01:08:553 - tho I wanted to point out this 7plet to be simple but I realized its emphasized vocal, yeah you already did 01:18:605 - here since theres just drum haha
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Thanks for your mod Surono~ :)
Topic Starter
Charlotte

Surono wrote:

>General

so I think, just kin thats not mapped this part bcus he is not weeb lul. okey 01:28:605 (435) - is it necessary to snapped at timing snap or keep like that? vocal is here.

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher I remove fnish (Inner)
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>Inner Oni
01:02:584 - idk why this kat, just overdone if emphasized. you need contrast between 01:02:427 - this pitch with 01:02:741 - this snare

01:07:767 - you can don it for contrast or 01:07:610 - just don it if you wanted 01:07:767 - emphasized this snare, but I'd like to don that snare bcus you follow vocal right? just like 01:20:333 - here

both vocal is high sound. I prefer k k k pattern

oriental style vocal? idk but good
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>Futsuu
01:11:066 - pls kat this ty fixed.

01:20:804 - if you want don it for similar level of 01:20:490 - this pitch vocal, "ki" "mi" I think d k k is good.(high)

01:24:259 - 01:24:574 - swap these then move to 01:23:945 - here, follow vocal then 01:24:574 - this rest section and start 01:24:888 - follow music, makes sense for me yes,vocal is more good.but,pattern is long & 01:24:574 - here is follow the inst.so no change.

2/1 rest sections are sufficient
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Thank you mod :)
Kin

Surono wrote:

>Kantan
00:25:691 - 00:28:529 - is it okay to not put spinner? bcus ur not weeb right lol
I just don't like using spinner xd
00:38:081 - add here or 00:37:767 - move to 00:37:610 - here, prefer move to the snare as accurate to drum and simple pattern but not complex
I prefer to keep it simple
00:46:249 - its okay to add don, then 00:47:191 - don too, and 00:47:820 - you had looong rest from here
changed into drum roll
00:53:474 - weird if you empty here, 00:54:102 - move left then kat. 00:52:846 - 00:53:474 - these vocal or we call that sound from mouth are high range so important to emphasize in there imo
ik what you mean, but I prefer to map this vocal 00:52:846 - "te" instead of this one 00:53:474 - "ee". Even tho this one is stronger 00:53:474 - , skipping the main syllable which is "te" is more weird in my opinion
00:59:129 - finish fixed

01:04:155 - ~ 01:07:924 - too simple, 01:05:097 - 01:07:610 - might you want add there notes, see the futsuu density..
pattern changed
01:21:118 - don if you want, reasons same above
fixed for this one
01:27:401 - .............. deleted xd

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thanks papa surono
Surono
@Charlotte >q<

@Nardo ok uwu

@Kin deleted wat asdffs xd

@ily4e dont walltext me, i didnt even read ur madnuts reasoning xd but if i guess u talkin bout consistency u dem yeh up to u its ur doff lul. but remember balance, too consistent/solid = boring, too variety = randomness. but dont take too seriously with my words cuz idk wat im wrote this xd

rip N icon, dem song. <3
iloveyou4ever

Surono wrote:

@Charlotte >q<

@Nardo ok uwu

@Kin deleted wat asdffs xd

@ily4e dont walltext me, i didnt even read ur madnuts reasoning xd but if i guess u talkin bout consistency u dem yeh up to u its ur doff lul. but remember balance, too consistent/solid = boring, too variety = randomness. but dont take too seriously with my words cuz idk wat im wrote this xd

rip N icon, dem song. <3
Sorry for any inconvenience :c I tried to explain my opinion with detail explanation so it looks like more convincing XDD,and I will look for a better balance between variation and consistency in my further mapping progress :D
Stefan
My very first veto. Such virginity, much wow.

[Inner]
00:53:317 (152,153,154,155) - to support the vocals properly and give something more intuitive for this I'd change that to dkkkd.
00:55:202 (167,168,169,170,171,172,173) - Something that bugs me a lot is that you tend to mix vocals and BGM a lot and to switch between them. For that part, make it either d k ddk d k or k d ddk k d.
01:13:579 (322) - should be k so it goes well with the vocals.
01:14:364 (326,327) - move the notes to 01:14:050 - and 01:14:129 - . It sounds more suitable to leave 01:14:364 - empty since the vocals appears on 01:14:050 - and 01:14:129 - which gives a more natural transistion with the song.

I don't know.. it may be me to feel that but Kiai feels inconsistent in the follow if you go with the vocals OR the background music. It's okay to combine that but then again I don't feel that the structure is clear for that part. Sometimes the vocal/bgm follow is coming forward, then sometimes some own rhythm which sounds fine appears and lastly these unknowing, weird, imo unfitting pattern are used and I am unsure how to feel about them. I will come later to this again.

[Oni]
01:04:626 (209) - together with 01:03:998 (204,205,206) - as ddk it'd sound really nice if that triplet is a kdd one. It fits very well to the vocals and add a very obvious but good rhythm.
01:06:982 (226,227) - could be swapped too for the reason above.

[Muzukashii]
HP Drain 6? I don't think that's really necessary for this mapset, change it to 5 back.
The Kiai requires more rest times - actually it has none at all so.. yeah, let's add them:
00:59:443 (121) - should be removed.
01:09:495 (174) - ^
01:19:547 (228) - ^

These are however example of what you can add, they're spreaded over the Kiai in an appropriate distance to be efficiently used, fitting well to the song and "sacrificing" notes to suit better as Muzukashii difficulty. If you have other ideas, feel free to do them.

00:39:024 - 00:44:050 - It's pretty weird that you mapped this fairly modest, compared to Futsuu. You could talk to Charlotte what you could do here, that doesn't look right the way it is rn.
01:04:469 (146,147,148,149,150) - Change this from kddk d to kd dk, I find that works better along with the vocals and background music.
01:17:506 (217,218) - move (217) to 01:17:663 - and change 01:17:820 (218) - to d. 01:17:663 - sounds pretty strong and should be emphasized with a note, preferably k. 01:17:820 (218) - in comparision should be lower then and rather goes with the guitar of the background music.

[Futsuu]
00:00:151 - 00:28:972 - It's still too dense, it needs some slight nerfes here:
00:02:988 (4) - should be d.
00:10:286 (13) - should be removed.
00:15:961 (20) - should be removed.
00:17:178 (22) - should be either removed or moved to 00:18:394 - as k.

00:39:024 - 00:44:050 - check Muzukashii for that part.
00:54:102 - 00:55:987 - What about that pattern? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/dN2cbpE4.png It looks more intuitive to me and interesting to play, nothing minor but still something to consider.
00:58:500 (86) - imo just a filler note, when you could actually "finish" with 00:58:186 (85) - . Remove (86) here.
01:02:584 (100) - I think you can easily move the note to 01:02:741 - , the 1/2 rhythm fits well together with the little break before.
01:18:605 (151,152) - ^
01:23:945 - pretty weird decision to do the break here.. what about this instead? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/RozqMdgz.png (it shows the part between 01:23:003 - 01:24:888 - ) That at least sounds more natural and useful.


I will consider checking Kantan later (because it's already 4:30 am again) and I am reeeeeeally really tired. For now I put a bubble pop because I really feel this isn't ready yet. It's by far better than the last time I've modded the map but still shows flaws at certain part. And for Inner Oni I am still unsure how I should think about it.

Oni looks okay to go but the rest should have some more checks if you ask me.
iloveyou4ever

Stefan wrote:

My very first veto. Such virginity, much wow.

[Muzukashii]
HP Drain 6? I don't think that's really necessary for this mapset, change it to 5 back. ok
The Kiai requires more rest times - actually it has none at all so.. yeah, let's add them:
00:59:443 (121) - should be removed.
01:09:495 (174) - ^
01:19:547 (228) - ^
:arrow: 00:58:814 - I choose to remove this since I decide to give break for every 8 bars
01:09:024 - this too

These are however example of what you can add, they're spreaded over the Kiai in an appropriate distance to be efficiently used, fitting well to the song and "sacrificing" notes to suit better as Muzukashii difficulty. If you have other ideas, feel free to do them.

00:39:024 - 00:44:050 - It's pretty weird that you mapped this fairly modest, compared to Futsuu. You could talk to Charlotte what you could do here, that doesn't look right the way it is rn.I change like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8332701,and yeah I will ask charlotte to check too

01:04:469 (146,147,148,149,150) - Change this from kddk d to kd dk, I find that works better along with the vocals and background music.ok
01:17:506 (217,218) - move (217) to 01:17:663 - and change 01:17:820 (218) - to d. 01:17:663 - sounds pretty strong and should be emphasized with a note, preferably k. 01:17:820 (218) - in comparision should be lower then and rather goes with the guitar of the background music.
nice catch lol,changed too
Thanks for modding :D
muzu
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komasy
long IRC

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2017-06-13 23:09 Charlotte: こんばんは~
2017-06-13 23:09 komasy: こんばんは!
2017-06-13 23:10 Charlotte: 平行線という曲で譜面を作ってましたが、Inner Oniだけで良いのでIRCでちょっと見てもらえないかと思い声をかけました...><
2017-06-13 23:10 komasy: okです!
2017-06-13 23:10 Charlotte: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1210484 Sayuri - Heikousen [Inner Oni]]
2017-06-13 23:10 Charlotte: 助かります;w;
2017-06-13 23:11 komasy: 既に泡ついてるんですね… 言うことがあるかどうか…
2017-06-13 23:11 Charlotte: いや泡壊されて、これRe-bubまで持っていけるか妖しい;w;
2017-06-13 23:11 komasy: なるほど…
2017-06-13 23:13 komasy: 楽しい・・・!
2017-06-13 23:13 Charlotte: 嬉しい
2017-06-13 23:13 komasy: サビの勢いがいいですね
2017-06-13 23:14 Charlotte: ありがとうございます!
2017-06-13 23:16 komasy: 正直kiaiまでは特に気になる点がないです…
2017-06-13 23:16 komasy: 00:49:233 (115,116,117) -
2017-06-13 23:17 Charlotte: 多分kiaiからです.
2017-06-13 23:18 komasy: ドラムを拾えるのとkiaiの導入部分ということで
2017-06-13 23:19 komasy: kkdの最初のkを消してからkdをCTRL+Gしてもいいかなと思いました
2017-06-13 23:20 Charlotte: D dkですか?
2017-06-13 23:20 komasy: https://puu.sh/wiUsR/c76d57bec8.png
2017-06-13 23:21 Charlotte: kkdよりddkのほうが良いとは思ったのですがKomasyさんは頭抜きのdkを好みますか?
2017-06-13 23:21 komasy: 偶数を入れることでアクセントにもなりますし僕はdkはです
2017-06-13 23:22 Charlotte: わかりました、取り入れてみます。
2017-06-13 23:23 komasy: 00:51:746 -
2017-06-13 23:24 komasy: ここの3連はddkに変更?
2017-06-13 23:25 komasy: 00:52:218 - からのddkとのボーカルの高低を対比してdkkでも良いかもしれません
2017-06-13 23:26 Charlotte: ddk dkkでいってみます。
2017-06-13 23:26 komasy: okです
2017-06-13 23:26 komasy: 00:53:317 - ここのddd d、3+1じゃなくて5連にしたいです
2017-06-13 23:28 komasy: ddkkdかdkkkdですかね…ddkから始まる複合多い気がしますしdkkkdがいいのかもしれません
2017-06-13 23:28 Charlotte: そこは泡割った人の提案にもdkkkd薦められてました。ddkkdと迷ってましたが確かに多いのでdkkkd(レア配置) 取り入れてみます
2017-06-13 23:29 komasy: okです
2017-06-13 23:30 komasy: 00:54:259 - ここのkkdは前のパターンと同じくdkか、ddkだとおもいます
2017-06-13 23:32 Charlotte: 頭抜きばかりだと目立つのでここddkどうでしょうか?
2017-06-13 23:32 komasy: okだと思います
2017-06-13 23:32 Charlotte: okdesu
2017-06-13 23:34 komasy: 00:55:516 (169,170,171,172) - ここに何か違和感感じます
2017-06-13 23:35 komasy: ドラムの主張がそこそこある曲なので、ここの1/4はddkの方がいい気がします
2017-06-13 23:35 Charlotte: 00:55:516 (169,170,171) - kdkはどうですか?
2017-06-13 23:36 komasy: 後ろの音の音程にはあっているのでいいと思います!
2017-06-13 23:37 Charlotte: やはり先ほどのところはddk
2017-06-13 23:37 Charlotte: 00:56:144 - こちらをkdkのほうが
2017-06-13 23:37 Charlotte: より音程に沿える気がしました。
2017-06-13 23:37 komasy: 個人的には00:55:987 - から
2017-06-13 23:37 komasy: kkd kですかね
2017-06-13 23:39 komasy: 好きな方で大丈夫だと思います
2017-06-13 23:39 Charlotte: 00:56:301 - ここは1/2 3連でvocalフォローする感じですか?
2017-06-13 23:40 Charlotte: (kkd kだと
2017-06-13 23:40 komasy: kiai開始~00:53:788 - までの密度を考えると
2017-06-13 23:41 komasy: kkd kではなくkkddkにした方が適切だと思います
2017-06-13 23:42 Charlotte: 00:55:987 - ここからの1/4切り込んだほうがvocalにより良いと感じたのでkkddk取り入れさせてもらいます
2017-06-13 23:42 komasy: IRC慣れてなくて提案にぶれがあって申し訳ないですm(__)m
2017-06-13 23:44 Charlotte: いや平行線ぶれっぶれで多分kiai vocalやらinstところどころ何拾ってんのみたいな配置あるかもしれません。非常に助かっております
2017-06-13 23:45 komasy: 00:58:029 - ~00:58:814 - なんとなくサビの勢いを消しちゃっている印象があります
2017-06-13 23:45 komasy: 00:58:579 - にadd kはどうですか?
2017-06-13 23:47 Charlotte: ありですね
2017-06-13 23:51 komasy: 01:03:526 - ここからの提案を画像で送らせていただきます
2017-06-13 23:51 komasy: https://puu.sh/wiVB5/6a2c50a9c8.png
2017-06-13 23:52 komasy: パターンの統一やボーカルの伸びを表現しています
2017-06-13 23:55 Charlotte: 255 (k)以降はそのままでしょうか?
2017-06-13 23:58 komasy: https://puu.sh/wiVP1/df9f005f8e.png
2017-06-13 23:59 komasy: どうでしょうか…? リズムパターンの流れから違和感のないリズムにしつつ配色のパターン化も配慮してあります
2017-06-14 00:02 Charlotte: 置いてみたらfitしましたのでfix!
2017-06-14 00:02 komasy: なんか画像ばっかりですみません・・・
2017-06-14 00:02 Charlotte: 配色もかなり良いです><
2017-06-14 00:02 komasy: 説明難しくて…
2017-06-14 00:03 komasy: そう言っていただけるととても嬉しいです!
2017-06-14 00:03 komasy: 音程的に01:08:710 (280,281) - はkkでもいい気がしますがどうでしょうか?
2017-06-14 00:04 Charlotte: 日本語でも難しいのに、これを英語でがんがん説明されると結構辛いところはありますね
2017-06-14 00:04 komasy: ですよね… やっぱりキツいですね
2017-06-14 00:05 Charlotte: kkkkにしたほうが勢いがありますね。fixed
2017-06-14 00:05 komasy: 01:09:338 (286,287,288) -
2017-06-14 00:05 komasy: ここはkiaiの最初と同じくdkがいいと思います。ちょっとした休憩で結構印象変わります
2017-06-14 00:06 Charlotte: fixed
2017-06-14 00:07 komasy: 01:09:809 - ここのkは00:49:704 - と意図的に変えていますか?
2017-06-14 00:09 Charlotte: ですね
2017-06-14 00:09 Charlotte: 変化があったほうが良いかなと思い
2017-06-14 00:09 komasy: だったらokです!
2017-06-14 00:09 komasy: 01:10:595 (298,299,300) - ここパターン化のためddk
2017-06-14 00:10 Charlotte: ok
2017-06-14 00:10 Charlotte: すいません、パターン化とは?
2017-06-14 00:11 komasy: kiaiの最初と曲が一緒なので、そことこことで統一です
2017-06-14 00:11 Charlotte: 最初kkdだったのですが、漏れてたかな,,,><?
2017-06-14 00:12 Charlotte: 00:50:490 (125,126,127) - こことあわせてddkで統一ってことだと思うのですが
2017-06-14 00:12 komasy: 間違えましたすみませんm(__)m
2017-06-14 00:12 komasy: その通りです
2017-06-14 00:13 Charlotte: okです
2017-06-14 00:13 Charlotte: 01:11:851 (309,310,311) - 最初同様ddkへ
2017-06-14 00:14 komasy: そうですね
2017-06-14 00:14 komasy: 01:12:165 - change to d
2017-06-14 00:14 komasy: 01:12:322 - を強調する目的です
2017-06-14 00:15 Charlotte: ok
2017-06-14 00:15 komasy: 01:13:422 - ここは1/4でkdkddが一番fitすると思います。最初のパターンも5連に変更したのでここも5連へ
2017-06-14 00:17 Charlotte: kdkkdと迷いました。okです
2017-06-14 00:18 komasy: 01:23:945 -
2017-06-14 00:19 komasy: https://puu.sh/wiWBI/471f9192ad.png
2017-06-14 00:19 komasy: こっちの方が自然だと思います
2017-06-14 00:19 komasy: ミスです 01:22:846 -
2017-06-14 00:21 Charlotte: より合いますね fix
2017-06-14 00:22 komasy: 01:25:830 - k 01:25:987 - d
2017-06-14 00:22 komasy: 01:26:144 - k
2017-06-14 00:22 komasy: ボーカルにフィットさせつつ流れを自然にします
2017-06-14 00:25 Charlotte: okです 00:52:296 - こちら迷ったのですが、プレイ感を少し優先したいと思いddkdkkdでいきたいと思います
2017-06-14 00:25 komasy: 音量が小さいのが少し気になりました… kiaiで70%ぐらいは欲しいと思いました
2017-06-14 00:28 Charlotte: 70 okです
2017-06-14 00:29 komasy: 以上です!
2017-06-14 00:30 komasy: あとはkiaiの前半と後半での大きなパターンの違いがないということを確認していただければ…(どこか抜けているかもしれないのでw)
2017-06-14 00:30 Charlotte: 感謝;w;w;w;w;w;w;w;w;w;
2017-06-14 00:31 komasy: メッチャ時間かかってしまって申し訳ないです
2017-06-14 00:31 komasy: 1時間半ぐらいかかっててワロタって感じです
2017-06-14 00:32 Charlotte: Forumだとどれくらいかかるもんですか?
2017-06-14 00:32 Charlotte: こちらこそほんとに時間かけさせて申し訳ない;w;w; 助かりました
2017-06-14 00:32 Charlotte: vol細かいですが65%でいきます。logのpostのほうお願いしたいと思います
Nardoxyribonucleic

Stefan wrote:

My very first veto. Such virginity, much wow.

[Oni]
01:04:626 (209) - together with 01:03:998 (204,205,206) - as ddk it'd sound really nice if that triplet is a kdd one. It fits very well to the vocals and add a very obvious but good rhythm. Retained to reflect the pitch decrease across 01:04:155 (206,209) -
01:06:982 (226,227) - could be swapped too for the reason above. same as ^

Oni looks okay to go but the rest should have some more checks if you ask me.
Thanks again Stefan~ :)
Topic Starter
Charlotte

Stefan wrote:

My very first veto. Such virginity, much wow.

[Inner]
00:53:317 (152,153,154,155) - to support the vocals properly and give something more intuitive for this I'd change that to dkkkd. fixed
00:55:202 (167,168,169,170,171,172,173) - Something that bugs me a lot is that you tend to mix vocals and BGM a lot and to switch between them. For that part, make it either d k ddk d k or k d ddk k d. I changed pattern
01:13:579 (322) - should be k so it goes well with the vocals. fixed.
01:14:364 (326,327) - move the notes to 01:14:050 - and 01:14:129 - . It sounds more suitable to leave 01:14:364 - empty since the vocals appears on 01:14:050 - and 01:14:129 - which gives a more natural transistion with the song. fixed.

I don't know.. it may be me to feel that but Kiai feels inconsistent in the follow if you go with the vocals OR the background music. It's okay to combine that but then again I don't feel that the structure is clear for that part. Sometimes the vocal/bgm follow is coming forward, then sometimes some own rhythm which sounds fine appears and lastly these unknowing, weird, imo unfitting pattern are used and I am unsure how to feel about them. I will come later to this again.

I changed some pattern.so should be better than before

[Futsuu]
00:00:151 - 00:28:972 - It's still too dense, it needs some slight nerfes here:
00:02:988 (4) - should be d. nope.high pitch
00:10:286 (13) - should be removed. nope.If removed this notes,I feel little strange
00:15:961 (20) - should be removed. fixed
00:17:178 (22) - should be either removed or moved to 00:18:394 - as k. removed

00:39:024 - 00:44:050 - check Muzukashii for that part. I nerfed pattern
00:54:102 - 00:55:987 - What about that pattern? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/dN2cbpE4.png It looks more intuitive to me and interesting to play, nothing minor but still something to consider. fixed
00:58:500 (86) - imo just a filler note, when you could actually "finish" with 00:58:186 (85) - . Remove (86) here. nope.I feel strange.
01:02:584 (100) - I think you can easily move the note to 01:02:741 - , the 1/2 rhythm fits well together with the little break before. ^
01:18:605 (151,152) - ^ ^
01:23:945 - pretty weird decision to do the break here.. what about this instead? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/RozqMdgz.png (it shows the part between 01:23:003 - 01:24:888 - ) That at least sounds more natural and useful. fixed.


I will consider checking Kantan later (because it's already 4:30 am again) and I am reeeeeeally really tired. For now I put a bubble pop because I really feel this isn't ready yet. It's by far better than the last time I've modded the map but still shows flaws at certain part. And for Inner Oni I am still unsure how I should think about it.

Oni looks okay to go but the rest should have some more checks if you ask me.
Thank you mod :)
Stefan

iloveyou4ever wrote:

Stefan wrote:

[Muzukashii]
:arrow: 00:58:814 - I choose to remove this since I decide to give break for every 8 bars
01:09:024 - this too
If so, then please do also remove 01:09:495 (173) - and 01:19:547 (227) - , that's the minimum you'd need to have to provide an acceptable portion of rest time for the kiai time.

[Kantan]
00:23:664 (22) - rhythmically I'd find it more interesting to skip this beat so to have kk dk.
00:51:275 (53,54,55,56) - pattern-wise pretty questionable to me. I'd remove 00:51:903 (55) - so that'd rather be an acceptable pattern for a Kantan level difficulty.
01:04:155 - 01:07:924 - What about emphasizing the vocals here? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/NTHS3Jqw.png I think it brings a more interesting idea to the map to include the vocals as well since it synergize well with the bgm.
01:12:008 (87) - like before.

[Inner Oni]
Oh dear lord, let's see what we have.

00:49:076 - 00:50:019 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/BGdkh4ER.png The doublet at the begin sounds quite off and doesn't fit well. the fivelet could be changed to kkddk since it supports the vocals by far more and the cymbal sound at 00:50:019 - .
00:52:061 - 00:52:689 - do d kdddkkd: 00:52:061 - should rather be don than 00:52:218 - and 00:52:375 - sound really weird to be kat.
00:54:574 (161,162) - It adds a quite interesting rhythm if you switch these two notes.
00:56:615 - 00:57:715 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/9O3YMlMt.png mostly build on the vocal level but also the single sounds of the background.
00:58:579 (195) - that should be don, kkddd sounds okayish while kkdkd makes less sense to me.
01:03:684 (236) - I'd use dkkdk here, sounds nicer imo but it's nothing major.
01:05:097 (248,249) - switch these two notes, 01:05:097 - is by far lighter than the other note.
01:06:040 (256) - should be don, alternatively I'd keep this blank to emphasize 01:05:882 - better but guess a don note would also be fine.
01:06:353 (258,259,260,261,262) - change the pattern to kkd k, although the background music isn't really present on 01:06:668 - I find it's still worth to emphasize the note with a lighter sound than with a deeper.
01:09:417 (288) - that doublet again. :P Just remove it, no need to have it for no good reasons.
01:12:715 (318) - connecting 01:12:322 (313,314,315,316,317) - with 01:12:794 (319) - barely fits imo, just remove (318).
01:16:956 (354,355) - switching them makes the fivelet sound waaaay better.

Hope that's all from my side.. check the mod and we'll see what will happen next.
Kin

Stefan wrote:

[Kantan]
00:23:664 (22) - rhythmically I'd find it more interesting to skip this beat so to have kk dk. I really don't wanna skip the main vocal "heikousen"
00:51:275 (53,54,55,56) - pattern-wise pretty questionable to me. I'd remove 00:51:903 (55) - so that'd rather be an acceptable pattern for a Kantan level difficulty. I don't really like to skip the idea of skipping vocal here. I'd say it's ok according to the futsuu density
01:04:155 - 01:07:924 - What about emphasizing the vocals here? https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/NTHS3Jqw.png I think it brings a more interesting idea to the map to include the vocals as well since it synergize well with the bgm. fixed
01:12:008 (87) - like before. same thing
thanks again!

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iloveyou4ever

Stefan wrote:

[Muzukashii]
If so, then please do also remove 01:09:495 (173) - and 01:19:547 (227) - , that's the minimum you'd need to have to provide an acceptable portion of rest time for the kiai time.
fixed,also add back a note 01:09:024 - cuz I feel too empty here
Hope that's all from my side.. check the mod and we'll see what will happen next.
Thanks for reply :)
muzu
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Topic Starter
Charlotte

Stefan wrote:

[Inner Oni]
Oh dear lord, let's see what we have.

00:49:076 - 00:50:019 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/BGdkh4ER.png The doublet at the begin sounds quite off and doesn't fit well. the fivelet could be changed to kkddk since it supports the vocals by far more and the cymbal sound at 00:50:019 - . removed doublet only
00:52:061 - 00:52:689 - do d kdddkkd: 00:52:061 - should rather be don than 00:52:218 - and 00:52:375 - sound really weird to be kat. fI changed kkddkkd for variety
00:54:574 (161,162) - It adds a quite interesting rhythm if you switch these two notes. fixed.
00:56:615 - 00:57:715 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/9O3YMlMt.png mostly build on the vocal level but also the single sounds of the background. I changed little pattern
00:58:579 (195) - that should be don, kkddd sounds okayish while kkdkd makes less sense to me. nope.I hear electronic sound & for variety
01:03:684 (236) - I'd use dkkdk here, sounds nicer imo but it's nothing major. I prefer dkddk
01:05:097 (248,249) - switch these two notes, 01:05:097 - is by far lighter than the other note.
01:06:040 (256) - should be don, alternatively I'd keep this blank to emphasize 01:05:882 - better but guess a don note would also be fine. fixed
01:06:353 (258,259,260,261,262) - change the pattern to kkd k, although the background music isn't really present on 01:06:668 - I find it's still worth to emphasize the note with a lighter sound than with a deeper. ^
01:09:417 (288) - that doublet again. :P Just remove it, no need to have it for no good reasons. same as above
01:12:715 (318) - connecting 01:12:322 (313,314,315,316,317) - with 01:12:794 (319) - barely fits imo, just remove (318).
01:16:956 (354,355) - switching them makes the fivelet sound waaaay better. nope.

Hope that's all from my side.. check the mod and we'll see what will happen next.
Thank you mod :)
Stefan
Okay, I think I've tortured you enough. :P Rebubbled
Surono
Qualified

dem song animu ,#
Akemi_Homura
Nice~ =w=)b
-Sh1n1-
yes!! Gratz :3
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