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Sayuri - Heikousen [Taiko]

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Charlotte
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年6月19日 at 21:44:52

Artist: Sayuri
Title: Heikousen
Source: クズの本懐
Tags: kuzu honkai scum's wish Nardoxyribonucleic iloveyou4ever Kin
BPM: 148
Filesize: 2672kb
Play Time: 01:28
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.24 stars, 203 notes)
  2. ily4's Muzukashii (3.16 stars, 302 notes)
  3. Inner Oni (4.85 stars, 476 notes)
  4. Kin's Kantan (1.56 stars, 112 notes)
  5. Nardo's Oni (4.18 stars, 413 notes)
Download: Sayuri - Heikousen
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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嘘の火花 by Nardoxyribonucleic

Kin's Kantan - Completed
Futsuu - Completed
ily4's Muzukashii - Completed
Nardo's Oni - Completed
Inner Oni - Completed
Labyr
test play and quick check.

SPOILER
23:06 Charlotte: こんばんは
23:06 Labyr: kon ban hadesu
23:06 Charlotte: よかったらテストプレイお願いしてもいいですか?
23:07 Labyr: いいですよお
23:08 Charlotte: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/571171

23:15 Labyr: 00:32:741 (29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37) -
23:15 Labyr: d ddkkd k d k のほうがvocalに合うと思います
23:16 Charlotte: fixed

23:16 Labyr: 00:37:610 (63,64) -
23:16 Labyr: ctrlG
23:17 Labyr: drumとvoどっちにもあいます
23:17 Charlotte: fixed

23:17 Labyr: 00:38:081 (65,66,67,68) - k dkd ? fo drum
23:19 Charlotte: nayamu
23:20 Charlotte: fixed

23:31 Labyr: たとえば 00:51:118 (139,140,141,142,143) - このkdddkとか
23:31 Labyr: 00:51:275 - から
23:31 Labyr: kdddkって配置して
23:31 Labyr: 00:51:746 (144,145,146) - このkkdを
23:31 Labyr: ddkに変えたら
23:32 Labyr: これだけでもvoに綺麗に合うと思ったりします
23:39 Charlotte: ddk ddkで続くの何か引っかかる感じがするのですが...どうでしょうか?
23:40 Labyr: パターンなり配色なりは様々だとおもうんですけど
23:40 Labyr: 00:49:076 - ここのDから
23:41 Labyr: 00:52:218 - ここのddkdkkdの始点であるdまで
23:41 Labyr: ずっとd k d kのリズムの方が違和感あると感じました
23:43 Charlotte: なるほど
23:47 Labyr: 00:50:804 (137,138) - ctrl+G
23:48 Labyr: 00:51:118 - change d
23:48 Labyr: 00:51:275 (141,142) - change k
23:48 Labyr: とかもあります
23:50 Charlotte: ありですね
23:51 Labyr: となると
23:52 Labyr: 00:55:830 (180,181) - もctrlG
23:53 Charlotte: ok
23:55 Labyr: 01:10:909 (307,308) - ctrl G 01:11:223 (309) - change d
23:56 Charlotte: ok
23:58 Labyr: 01:14:914 - add d?
23:59 Labyr: 01:15:700 (348) - change k 01:15:935 (350,351) - ctrl G
00:00 Labyr: ここまでが一貫性を保つための修正で
00:01 Labyr: す
00:01 Charlotte: 助かります: :
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:57:244 (192,193) - ctrl G, 00:57:793 (196,197) - delete, 00:57:715 (195) - change K ドラムとギターの音にピッタリ
  2. 00:58:029 (196,197) - ctrl G, 00:58:657 (201,202) - ctrl G follow Vo.
  3. 01:01:642 (226,227,228,229,230) - change kkkdk ?
  4. 01:04:390 (248) - move to 01:04:704 - パターンの単調化をなくす為に。
  5. 01:17:506 (363,364,365,366,367,368,369) - ここのkkdkddkをdeleteして、
    01:17:348 (362) - change k, 01:17:506 - add d, 01:17:663 - add d, 01:17:820 - add K, 01:18:134 (363,364) - ctrl G で、00:57:244 - からのパターンと統一させてもいいと思います
  6. 01:18:448 - から ddkdkkkkkkdでもアリだと思います follow drum.
  7. 01:25:830 (436,437) - ctrl G
  8. 01:26:773 (444) - add finisher
以上です
Topic Starter
Charlotte

Labyr wrote:

test play and quick check.

SPOILER
23:06 Charlotte: こんばんは
23:06 Labyr: kon ban hadesu
23:06 Charlotte: よかったらテストプレイお願いしてもいいですか?
23:07 Labyr: いいですよお
23:08 Charlotte: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/571171

23:15 Labyr: 00:32:741 (29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37) -
23:15 Labyr: d ddkkd k d k のほうがvocalに合うと思います
23:16 Charlotte: fixed

23:16 Labyr: 00:37:610 (63,64) -
23:16 Labyr: ctrlG
23:17 Labyr: drumとvoどっちにもあいます
23:17 Charlotte: fixed

23:17 Labyr: 00:38:081 (65,66,67,68) - k dkd ? fo drum
23:19 Charlotte: nayamu
23:20 Charlotte: fixed

23:31 Labyr: たとえば 00:51:118 (139,140,141,142,143) - このkdddkとか
23:31 Labyr: 00:51:275 - から
23:31 Labyr: kdddkって配置して
23:31 Labyr: 00:51:746 (144,145,146) - このkkdを
23:31 Labyr: ddkに変えたら
23:32 Labyr: これだけでもvoに綺麗に合うと思ったりします
23:39 Charlotte: ddk ddkで続くの何か引っかかる感じがするのですが...どうでしょうか?
23:40 Labyr: パターンなり配色なりは様々だとおもうんですけど
23:40 Labyr: 00:49:076 - ここのDから
23:41 Labyr: 00:52:218 - ここのddkdkkdの始点であるdまで
23:41 Labyr: ずっとd k d kのリズムの方が違和感あると感じました
23:43 Charlotte: なるほど
23:47 Labyr: 00:50:804 (137,138) - ctrl+G
23:48 Labyr: 00:51:118 - change d
23:48 Labyr: 00:51:275 (141,142) - change k
23:48 Labyr: とかもあります
23:50 Charlotte: ありですね
23:51 Labyr: となると
23:52 Labyr: 00:55:830 (180,181) - もctrlG
23:53 Charlotte: ok
23:55 Labyr: 01:10:909 (307,308) - ctrl G 01:11:223 (309) - change d
23:56 Charlotte: ok
23:58 Labyr: 01:14:914 - add d?
23:59 Labyr: 01:15:700 (348) - change k 01:15:935 (350,351) - ctrl G
00:00 Labyr: ここまでが一貫性を保つための修正で
00:01 Labyr: す
00:01 Charlotte: 助かります: :
[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:57:244 (192,193) - ctrl G, 00:57:793 (196,197) - delete, 00:57:715 (195) - change K ドラムとギターの音にピッタリ
  2. 00:58:029 (196,197) - ctrl G, 00:58:657 (201,202) - ctrl G follow Vo.
  3. 01:01:642 (226,227,228,229,230) - change kkkdk ?
  4. 01:04:390 (248) - move to 01:04:704 - パターンの単調化をなくす為に。 試してみましたがよく合ってます。ただ、今のところ繰り返しパターンを使いたいためno changeでいきます。後に変更する可能性有
  5. 01:17:506 (363,364,365,366,367,368,369) - ここのkkdkddkをdeleteして、
    01:17:348 (362) - change k, 01:17:506 - add d, 01:17:663 - add d, 01:17:820 - add K, 01:18:134 (363,364) - ctrl G で、00:57:244 - からのパターンと統一させてもいいと思います
  6. 01:18:448 - から ddkdkkkkkkdでもアリだと思います follow drum.
  7. 01:25:830 (436,437) - ctrl G
  8. 01:26:773 (444) - add finisher
以上です

コメントがない部分はall fixed.
thx mod :) :) :)
Nardoxyribonucleic
Here is my Oni diff :3 (no kd)

https://puu.sh/u98Df.rar

Please add my name to tags and change "scums" to "wish". Thanks. 8-)
iloveyou4ever
Hi,Here is my Muzukashii diff :D

https://puu.sh/u9R6B.osu

And for 01:28:029 - ,I think the vocal is located on 01:28:003 - ,but not 01:28:029 -

You may check and change it.(no kds)

Thanks >3<
Nardoxyribonucleic
As requested in-game, here are some suggestions regarding the kiai in Futsuu and its spread with ily4's Muzukashii.

IRC mod with Charlotte, Apr 20, 2017
17:50 Charlotte: hi nardo
17:50 Nardoxyribonucleic: hi
17:51 Charlotte: I revived heikousen.Do you have time now? I need help (Futsuu Kiai)
17:52 Nardoxyribonucleic: Hmm okay.
17:53 *Charlotte is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1272206 Sayuri - Heikousen [Futsuu]]
17:59 Nardoxyribonucleic: The gap with Muzukashii is a bit big...
18:00 Charlotte: Muzukashii must more remove?
18:02 Nardoxyribonucleic: e.g. 01:07:767 (181) - 01:18:448 (241) - 01:26:301 (288) -
18:02 Charlotte: baka4ever
18:02 Charlotte: I'll tell 4ever
18:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: In the meantime, you can add some notes in Futsuu
18:03 Nardoxyribonucleic: 00:52:689 - add k and 00:53:160 - add d?
18:05 Charlotte: fixed
18:06 Charlotte: 01:12:793 - & 01:13:265 - fixed too
18:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:02:427 (103) - move to 01:02:113 - ?
18:09 Nardoxyribonucleic: This seems to fit the vocal better
18:12 Charlotte: more better></ good suggesiton
18:12 Nardoxyribonucleic: 01:21:589 - try to add d here ? This is the only pattern chain without 1/2 notes
18:14 Charlotte: sure.added
18:14 Nardoxyribonucleic: That's all about the kiai in Futsuu for now
18:15 Charlotte: ok~~
stu00608
hi!,there is my mod for the awesome Sayuri song.
<-this means how I will do in there



[ily4's Muzukashii ]

  • 00:03:799 add a d here ?

    00:36:825 k
    00:35:882 d
    00:36:197 k
    00:37:139 (34,35,36,37) - ddkd

    00:38:239 (39,40,41) - kkk
    there should be a dkk
    so make it easier ->kkk

    00:39:024 ~ 00:43:422 I think there can be more varied

    00:49:390 k?
    00:49:547 add a d?
    00:56:615 d
    00:59:129 d
    00:59:443 k

    01:08:081 and 01:08:396 del
    01:09:495 k?
    01:09:652 add a d
    01:16:720 d
    01:19:548 k?

    總體來說我覺得有點overmapped了qwq
    感覺可以大刀一點刪掉很多東西 這樣子副歌的變化也會比較多
    Good luck >w<b
[Nardo's Oni ]

  • 00:19:205 k

    00:54:731 (135) - k
    00:54:888 (136,137) - dk
    00:55:280 (139,140) - kd
    (like 00:49:547 (95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102) - )

    01:04:469 (209) - d
    01:04:626 (210) - k

    01:07:218 add d
    01:07:375 del
    01:07:689 add d
    01:07:846 add k
    01:08:003 del

    01:14:521 ~ 01:15:463 same with 00:54:731 (like 00:49:547 (95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102) - )
    you know what I mean :P

    also 01:22:061 ~ 01:23:003

    Good Luck :D
[ Inner Oni]

  • 00:42:793 del

    00:45:699 del , make it a little rest time

    00:49:547 k->d
    00:49:704 (126,127,128,129,130) - (ddkkd) -> (k_ddk)
    I think it's suitable for the first part of kiai
    the original set is suitable from 00:54:102 to 00:55:202

    00:59:286 (203,204,205) - change to kkd?
    like 00:49:233 (122,123,124) and 00:54:259 (164,165,166) ...

    01:02:113 like this

    I don't know why but I feel that is better XD

    Nice Song Excellent MAP />w</\>w<\
Good luck !!
btw it is a Birthday mod XDD
Chromoxx
hey, quick mod! :D

[General]
why no full ver ;w;
could add "scums" into tags because some people are too lazy to type the '
volume is maybe a little bit low in the kiai, maybe raise it to 70%

[Inner Oni]
00:16:772 - 00:17:583 - adding the hits here and mapping the vocal fully would add a good buildup into the spinner and make sense since you followed all the other vocals in this part imo
00:18:799 - changing this to k k d would emphasize the pitch changes better overall since the sounds at 00:18:799 - and 00:19:205 - are pretty distinct aswell and kdddk is a pretty bland pattern without much individual emphasis

00:28:972 - i feel like flow-wise this part is a bit overdone, you're transitioning from a very slow part directly into using a lot of 1/4 patterns even when the music isn't that intensive yet. For better buildup toward the kiai i would suggest only using 1/2 patterns from 00:28:972 - and then introducing the 1/4 patterns when the drums kick in at 00:33:998 - this would flow a lot better overall in my opinion and put more emphasize on the kiai, which is really what the song lives from.

00:46:563 - this is a kind of personal thing but i feel like this stream doesn't go too well together with the buildup streams you have at 00:45:307 - and 00:45:935 - since it's using very different patterning which has less color changes on dominant ticks, whereas usually more color changes are used for the more intense streams, i'd suggest something like

00:57:087 - i'd reccomend changing this to d (maybe also 00:57:008 - to k if you feel like kkdkd is better than kkddd) to emphasize the vocal at 00:57:244 - more and make the k ddd K pattern stand out more, this also flows more cleanly imo
01:17:191 - same here

01:01:642 - this pattern stands out a lot and doesn't really fit into the scheme of patterns you are using throughout the map, i'd reccomend changing it in order to keep a more clean and consistent map

i feel like you use k k k 1/2 constellations a bit too much in the kiai and they don't really flow well (like 01:01:642 (225,227,230) - 01:06:982 (268,269,270) - )
usually repeated use of k or d on 1/2 beats builds up emphasis for a following color change, which flows well but instead of having a natural constellation like k k d you keep it at k k k which feels kind of forced when playing and could give clearer emphasis as k k d.

[Nardo's Oni]
pretty clean diff, good job! :D

[ ily4's Muzukashii]
00:39:652 - 00:42:165 - 00:43:422 - i feel like these notes could be deleted for better buildup and better focus on the stronger sounds
00:58:971 - you could delete this and change 00:59:129 - to a finisher (D would work better than K imo), would also work better with my next suggestion
01:07:767 - i'd suggest deleting this note since the pattern you have is longer than the rest by a very large margin whereas the pattern from 01:07:924 - by itsself would already be longer than the other patterns in this section, which is enough for emphasis here combined with the usage of ks
01:18:684 - maybe delete this note to keep it slightly less difficult
01:26:144 - the usage of multicolor triplets in muzukashii isn't reccomended and introducing one right at the end of the diff is kinda counterintuitive too, so i'd suggest just changing the triplet to kkk

pretty nice muzu otherwise, don't tell me you can't map spread lmao

[Futsuu]
some patterns at the start are the same length as inner oni, i would reccomend nerfing those ones slightly while comparing and keeping it slightly easier than the muzu
00:32:270 - delete, i feel like the long 1/1 pattern puts better emphasis on the vocal while not overusing 1/2 in the relatively calm section, the muzu is very calm here too
00:37:453 - move to 00:37:296 - to match drums and vocals better
00:39:024 - this section here is denser than the muzu, nerf accordingly to whatever ily4 does after my suggestion for this part on his diff
00:58:500 - i'd reccomend deleting this to keep a slightly larger break after this long pattern and also add more emphasis on 00:58:186 -

[Kantan]
00:00:151 - and 00:03:394 - are the same pattern but the vocals are pretty different, which is kinda repetitive, either consider changing one of the patterns to dkd or dkk
also the general start part is about as dense as the futsuu atm so maybe nerf it a bit for better spread
00:28:972 - constant 4/1 placement here is pretty boring considering how you mapped the start part
00:33:998 - spacing here is pretty awkward for a kantan, try to use a simpler constellation for the pattern, i find moving 00:35:568 - and 00:38:081 - 1/1 works wonders and fixes this entire thing
00:41:537 - change to d, the synth sound is somewhat deeper than the other 2 neighbouring notes and there's no direct vocal hit here so it shouldn't be mapped the same imo

rest is ok i guess :D

good luck ;)
iloveyou4ever
stu00608's mod

stu00608 wrote:

hi!,there is my mod for the awesome Sayuri song.
<-this means how I will do in there

[ily4's Muzukashii ]

  • 00:03:799 add a d here ?
    ok

    00:36:825 k
    00:35:882 d
    00:36:197 k
    00:37:139 (34,35,36,37) - ddkd
    all ok >_<

    00:38:239 (39,40,41) - kkk
    there should be a dkk
    so make it easier ->kkk ok

    00:39:024 ~ 00:43:422 I think there can be more varied
    I apply chromoxx's mod here

    00:49:390 k? ok
    00:49:547 add a d? 我不想一入kiai就那麼高密度,所以這裡斷一斷
    00:56:615 d ok
    00:59:129 d ok
    00:59:443 k ok

    01:08:081 and 01:08:396 del both removed
    01:09:495 k? ok
    01:09:652 add a d keep consistency with 00:49:547-
    01:16:720 d ok
    01:19:548 k? ok

    總體來說我覺得有點overmapped了qwq
    感覺可以大刀一點刪掉很多東西 這樣子副歌的變化也會比較多
    我覺得還好啦XD,因為不可以無視spread,而且我覺得現在算是有點undermapped啦T.T,我再看看吧XDD
    刪掉一些triplets,應該好了點XDD,你看看?
    Good luck >w<b
Good luck !!
btw it is a Birthday mod XDD

chromoxx's mod

Chromoxx wrote:

hey, quick mod! :D

[ ily4's Muzukashii]
00:39:652 - 00:42:165 - 00:43:422 - i feel like these notes could be deleted for better buildup and better focus on the stronger sounds
yep,removed :)
00:58:971 - you could delete this and change 00:59:129 - to a finisher (D would work better than K imo), would also work better with my next suggestion
works great,thx a lot >_<
01:07:767 - i'd suggest deleting this note since the pattern you have is longer than the rest by a very large margin whereas the pattern from 01:07:924 - by itsself would already be longer than the other patterns in this section, which is enough for emphasis here combined with the usage of ks
remove and also add a note at 01:08:081 - since I want to develop flow here,yes only k would be enough for emphasis the music,but add a k here would work better in developing the flow too
01:18:684 - maybe delete this note to keep it slightly less difficult
okay~
01:26:144 - the usage of multicolor triplets in muzukashii isn't reccomended and introducing one right at the end of the diff is kinda counterintuitive too, so i'd suggest just changing the triplet to kkk nice

pretty nice muzu otherwise, don't tell me you can't map spread lmao
*remove some triplets and change a bit the structure in kiai time according to irc mod with Skylish
Thanks for mod :)

baka4ever's muzukashii
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Heikousen.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 48134
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 1.7

[Metadata]
Title:Heikousen
TitleUnicode:平行線
Artist:Sayuri
ArtistUnicode:さユり
Creator:Charlotte
Version:ily4's Muzukashii
Source:クズの本懐
Tags:kuzu honkai scum's wish Nardoxyribonucleic iloveyou4ever Kin
BeatmapID:1218012
BeatmapSetID:571171

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:6
CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:5
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
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//Break Periods
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
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Skylish
IRC mod with ily4
2017-04-22 16:58 iloveyou4ever: hi,can do irc now,thx
2017-04-22 16:58 Skylish: push the.osz to me
2017-04-22 16:58 Skylish: Charlotte is yet to update
2017-04-22 16:59 not yet *
2017-04-22 17:00 iloveyou4ever: https://puu.sh/vskbq.osu
2017-04-22 17:00 Skylish: ... osz please?
2017-04-22 17:01 Skylish: nvm
2017-04-22 17:01 Skylish: I add it on my own
2017-04-22 17:01 iloveyou4ever: https://puu.sh/vsmBb.osz
2017-04-22 17:01 iloveyou4ever: the source goes wrong...idk why
2017-04-22 17:01 iloveyou4ever: but nvm
2017-04-22 17:01 Skylish: it does matter...
2017-04-22 17:02 Skylish: what did you save in .txt?
2017-04-22 17:02 Skylish: I mean : https://puu.sh/vsmEC/6a53bd5f5b.png
2017-04-22 17:02 Skylish: which code are you using?
2017-04-22 17:02 Skylish: ANSI should work well
2017-04-22 17:02 Skylish: Dont use Unicode
2017-04-22 17:03 iloveyou4ever: emm ok now
2017-04-22 17:03 Skylish: You used UTF-8 lmao
2017-04-22 17:04 iloveyou4ever: how to change ansi?
2017-04-22 17:05 Skylish: arh you should use Unicode sry
2017-04-22 17:05 Skylish: you open the diff. in.osu
2017-04-22 17:05 Skylish: then 另存新檔
2017-04-22 17:05 Skylish: https://puu.sh/vsmKJ/4390d10c51.png
2017-04-22 17:06 Skylish: 編碼用Unicode (咁樣先show到日文字)
2017-04-22 17:06 Skylish: 跟著確認
2017-04-22 17:06 Skylish: ta~da
2017-04-22 17:08 Skylish: done?
2017-04-22 17:09 iloveyou4ever: emm ok done
2017-04-22 17:10 iloveyou4ever: https://puu.sh/vsmSr.osz
2017-04-22 17:10 iloveyou4ever: see see?
2017-04-22 17:11 Skylish: you removed Kantan and Futsuu manually?
2017-04-22 17:11 Skylish: just wanna ask
2017-04-22 17:11 iloveyou4ever: I didn't redl the map
2017-04-22 17:11 iloveyou4ever: my diff was mapped before kantan and futsuu
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: umm... maybe you need to check Futsuu and Nardo's Oni later on, so it'd better for you to download the whole mapset
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: Charlotte expressed his concern on the difficulty spread
2017-04-22 17:12 iloveyou4ever: oh ok,after irc mod :D
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: god
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: 8good
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: *good
2017-04-22 17:12 Skylish: fml
2017-04-22 17:12 iloveyou4ever: thx for praising me
2017-04-22 17:17 Skylish: you here?
2017-04-22 17:17 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:17 Skylish: okay
2017-04-22 17:17 Skylish: 00:25:488 (1) -
2017-04-22 17:18 Skylish: you end it at 00:27:921 - ?
2017-04-22 17:18 Skylish: stop the spinner when the vocal stops?
2017-04-22 17:18 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:18 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:18 Skylish: how about the consideration of that noise glitch from 00:27:718 - to 00:28:529 - ?
2017-04-22 17:18 Skylish: You ignore it?
2017-04-22 17:19 iloveyou4ever: emm which one you think is bettr
2017-04-22 17:19 iloveyou4ever: better
2017-04-22 17:19 iloveyou4ever: I just think extending to 00:28:529 maybe too long
2017-04-22 17:20 Skylish: It is okay for Futsuu to have such a 'long' spinner
2017-04-22 17:20 Skylish: I prefer it of coz because I raise it out lol
2017-04-22 17:20 Skylish: it= extention of the spinner to 00:28:529 -
2017-04-22 17:20 iloveyou4ever: emm ok changed
2017-04-22 17:21 Skylish: 00:30:699 (7) -
2017-04-22 17:21 iloveyou4ever: ok
2017-04-22 17:21 Skylish: this stands out from a concrete d k dk pattern...
2017-04-22 17:21 Skylish: any reason behind?
2017-04-22 17:21 Skylish: less boring maybe?
2017-04-22 17:22 iloveyou4ever: yes want to add variation
2017-04-22 17:22 iloveyou4ever: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7890669 otherwise it will be like this
2017-04-22 17:22 iloveyou4ever: d k dk d k dk...
2017-04-22 17:23 Skylish: umm, the instrument part seems monotonous, and I did not expect such variation honestly
2017-04-22 17:23 Skylish: but it is fine
2017-04-22 17:23 Skylish: yeah, as far as you can explain it
2017-04-22 17:24 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:24 Skylish: 00:46:720 -
2017-04-22 17:24 Skylish: how about remove it to leave some space?
2017-04-22 17:24 Skylish: 00:46:249 - from this note onward, the whole pattern seems so long
2017-04-22 17:24 iloveyou4ever: it's more hype,so I want to develop flow
2017-04-22 17:25 iloveyou4ever: ehh nope...
2017-04-22 17:25 iloveyou4ever: increasing note density here would be better I think
2017-04-22 17:27 Skylish: umm...
2017-04-22 17:28 Skylish: 00:45:464 (55,56,57) -
2017-04-22 17:28 Skylish: 00:46:720 (63,64) -
2017-04-22 17:28 Skylish: they look weird
2017-04-22 17:28 Skylish: the progression does not look very nice
2017-04-22 17:28 iloveyou4ever: then how will you map it?
2017-04-22 17:29 Skylish: I will consider the strcture at 00:47:348 - first
2017-04-22 17:29 Skylish: it is a beautiful nnn n
2017-04-22 17:29 Skylish: no problem
2017-04-22 17:30 Skylish: but look at 00:46:092 -
2017-04-22 17:30 Skylish: why is it blank? :thinking:
2017-04-22 17:30 Skylish: so I will do:
2017-04-22 17:30 iloveyou4ever: why must there be note then :o
2017-04-22 17:30 Skylish: 00:45:464 - / 00:45:542 - shift them to 00:46:092 - / 00:46:170 -
2017-04-22 17:31 Skylish: here's the reason
2017-04-22 17:31 Skylish: when you shift them to the new timings
2017-04-22 17:31 Skylish: you will see a 1/1 gap at 00:45:307 -
2017-04-22 17:31 iloveyou4ever: that'll be too hard...
2017-04-22 17:31 Skylish: hey I am continuing
2017-04-22 17:31 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:31 Skylish: dont worry
2017-04-22 17:32 Skylish: 00:46:563 - same gap is expected here
2017-04-22 17:32 Skylish: so I asked for a removal of note at 00:46:720 -
2017-04-22 17:33 Skylish: 00:45:307 - / 00:46:563 - a sufficient 1/1 gap for vocal emphasis on these timings
2017-04-22 17:33 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:33 Skylish: 00:45:935 - upcoming patterns should be denser, as you said so: want to build up density
2017-04-22 17:34 Skylish: you should start from this vocal note already, as it is something like 'screaming' lmao
2017-04-22 17:34 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:34 Skylish: 00:45:307 (54) - the current picture of my suggestion: https://puu.sh/vsnxd/0ae383921a.png
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: you can see the structure is tidier, and less d k d k d spamming which may cause the Muzukashii players waste their hand
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: esp.ly after a bunch of these d k d k d they have to hit the triplet at 00:47:348 - , that's what I called: HARD
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: *TOO HARD (likely)
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: 00:47:348 (66,67,68) -
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: speaking of this triplet
2017-04-22 17:35 Skylish: why polychrome? :thinking2:
2017-04-22 17:36 iloveyou4ever: I think one ddk pattern is fine
2017-04-22 17:36 iloveyou4ever: either ddd/kkk can't express the music well
2017-04-22 17:37 Skylish: okay, valid explaination, let me check the Kiai section now
2017-04-22 17:37 iloveyou4ever: I apply your suggestion,but I changed 00:46:092 (58,59,60) - to kkk as it expresses the vocal more
2017-04-22 17:37 iloveyou4ever: *better
2017-04-22 17:37 Skylish: umm..
2017-04-22 17:37 Skylish: 00:46:092 (58,59,60) - kkk will defeat 00:47:348 (66,67,68) -
2017-04-22 17:38 Skylish: the latter has a higher pitch, but only ddk
2017-04-22 17:38 Skylish: is that resonable?
2017-04-22 17:38 iloveyou4ever: 00:45:935 - the vocal here has higher pitch than 00:46:563 -
2017-04-22 17:38 iloveyou4ever: that's why I put kkk
2017-04-22 17:38 iloveyou4ever: k fits vocal better
2017-04-22 17:39 iloveyou4ever: in my opinion ;w;
2017-04-22 17:39 Skylish: you may say that, but:
2017-04-22 17:39 Skylish: this 'arh~' lasts for 1 BEAT, this 'arrhrhrhrhrh~' lasts for 1 whole fking BAR
2017-04-22 17:40 Skylish: I think they should be k (yes they are k now), with some dons surrounding them
2017-04-22 17:40 iloveyou4ever: ...
2017-04-22 17:40 iloveyou4ever: both are arh lol
2017-04-22 17:40 Skylish: that's why you can see my suggestion there leave a really dominating k emphasis on these vocal starts
2017-04-22 17:40 Skylish: 00:46:563 (62) - is more powerful
2017-04-22 17:41 Skylish: 00:45:935 (57,62) - should be accompained with dons imo, to express their strong vocal
2017-04-22 17:41 Skylish: esp.ly (especially) when they are the START of the vocal 'screaming'
2017-04-22 17:41 Skylish: but after all, it's your map
2017-04-22 17:41 iloveyou4ever: emm seems valid reasons,convince me
2017-04-22 17:41 Skylish: you think la, your decision
2017-04-22 17:42 iloveyou4ever: ok let's move on then w
2017-04-22 17:42 iloveyou4ever: emm I will decide later
2017-04-22 17:42 Skylish: okay
2017-04-22 17:42 Skylish: In Kiai, you seem like to use a triplet to fill in the gap between the lyrics, doesn't it?
2017-04-22 17:43 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:43 Skylish: explain a bit such mapping style please?
2017-04-22 17:43 iloveyou4ever: just feel 1/2 is boring,and add triplet in kiai time
2017-04-22 17:44 iloveyou4ever: but I don't put any note for 1. Offset: 151ms BPM: 148.00
2017-04-22 17:44 iloveyou4ever: *00:50:019 - the 4th beat
2017-04-22 17:44 Skylish: but what if you spam all these triplets in ALL lyrics gaps, will they be boring as well?
2017-04-22 17:44 Skylish: However, you did ^
2017-04-22 17:44 iloveyou4ever: no
2017-04-22 17:44 Skylish: almost
2017-04-22 17:45 iloveyou4ever: what
2017-04-22 17:45 Skylish: the intention of using triplet is good
2017-04-22 17:45 Skylish: yes it is less boring then just a shit tons of 1/2
2017-04-22 17:45 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:45 Skylish: but what if you use every triplet in every lyrics gap?
2017-04-22 17:45 Skylish: Then the players will have a sense: oh triplets again
2017-04-22 17:46 Skylish: where are my rest?
2017-04-22 17:46 Skylish: you see the point? The Kiai section lack some RESTS!!!
2017-04-22 17:46 iloveyou4ever: does kiai time need rest ;w;
2017-04-22 17:47 iloveyou4ever: I already put some variation for the placement of triplet,such as I put triplet at 2.5 beat(00:50:804 - ),but put at first beat(00:52:846 - )
2017-04-22 17:48 iloveyou4ever: as long as it fits the music,I think it's fie
2017-04-22 17:48 iloveyou4ever: *fine
2017-04-22 17:48 iloveyou4ever: and it's pretty consistent too
2017-04-22 17:48 Skylish: Well said!! :D and you are in the trap of difficulty spread
2017-04-22 17:48 Skylish: :^
2017-04-22 17:48 Skylish: :^)
2017-04-22 17:48 Skylish: You need to check Futsuu
2017-04-22 17:48 Skylish: right now, I mean
2017-04-22 17:49 iloveyou4ever: futsuu only 2.24* lul
2017-04-22 17:49 iloveyou4ever: and my diff 3.25*
2017-04-22 17:49 iloveyou4ever: what's the problem
2017-04-22 17:49 Skylish: not SR spread
2017-04-22 17:49 Skylish: is DIFFICULTY spread
2017-04-22 17:49 Skylish: or in other words:
2017-04-22 17:50 Skylish: NOTE DENSITY spread
2017-04-22 17:50 Skylish: would it be clearer?
2017-04-22 17:50 Skylish: 01:02:898 -
2017-04-22 17:50 iloveyou4ever: emm,219,320,416
2017-04-22 17:50 Skylish: look at this timing in Futsuu and yours as well
2017-04-22 17:50 Skylish: Nardo's one is a bit overmapped too, but Charlotte asked me to focus on yours :^)
2017-04-22 17:52 Skylish: 01:02:898 - check this first
2017-04-22 17:53 Skylish: check Muzukashii and Futsuu
2017-04-22 17:53 Skylish: of this timing
2017-04-22 17:54 iloveyou4ever: wait
2017-04-22 17:54 Skylish: alright
2017-04-22 17:55 iloveyou4ever: ok now
2017-04-22 17:56 Skylish: ok now= you are back/ finish checking that timing?
2017-04-22 17:57 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 17:58 Skylish: 01:02:898 - It needs a gap
2017-04-22 17:58 Skylish: obviously
2017-04-22 17:58 Skylish: in desperately need
2017-04-22 17:59 iloveyou4ever: rip structure
2017-04-22 17:59 iloveyou4ever: futsuu and muzukashii different style
2017-04-22 17:59 iloveyou4ever: we are mapping different things
2017-04-22 17:59 Skylish: ikr
2017-04-22 17:59 iloveyou4ever: why I need to follow the same style?
2017-04-22 17:59 Skylish: but you still need to take consideration of Futsuu and Oni as well
2017-04-22 17:59 Skylish: Note density spread ignores styles, styles are varied
2017-04-22 18:00 iloveyou4ever: if I give a break here,the structure will be destroyed lul
2017-04-22 18:00 Skylish: erm, how to say...
2017-04-22 18:01 Skylish: your map is not really a balanced one
2017-04-22 18:01 Skylish: *your diff.
2017-04-22 18:01 Skylish: I mean just on its own
2017-04-22 18:01 Skylish: it is still not really balanced
2017-04-22 18:02 iloveyou4ever: what's mean by balanced
2017-04-22 18:02 Skylish: First thing: too many triplets, they are all filling up lyrics gaps, without a single rest. That's not appropriate
2017-04-22 18:02 Skylish: without rest= not balanced
2017-04-22 18:03 iloveyou4ever: the music doesn't have rest 'w'
2017-04-22 18:03 Skylish: Second thing: repetitive use of triplets are boring, and cannot see an emphasizing part in the whole Kiai, even though you may say ' vocal and instruments are well considered'
2017-04-22 18:03 iloveyou4ever: why no rest=not balanced lol...
2017-04-22 18:03 Skylish: how dare you say there's not rest in the music....
2017-04-22 18:03 Skylish: Music contains VOCAL and INSTRUMENTS
2017-04-22 18:03 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: The current one is just too densed fgs
2017-04-22 18:04 iloveyou4ever: and I am mapping two elements,not only one
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: 00:53:474 - for example
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: it is a cutting point of vocal
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: 00:54:102 - is a new start
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: You leave a gap at 00:53:945 -
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: nice!
2017-04-22 18:04 Skylish: but
2017-04-22 18:05 Skylish: 00:53:474 (94,95,96) - ??? why d d k to link it up with the independent instrument there at 00:53:788 -
2017-04-22 18:05 Skylish: This situation is called imbalanced
2017-04-22 18:06 Skylish: It is just an imbalanced phenomenon in your OWN diff., when difficulty across all 'difficulties' is considered
2017-04-22 18:06 iloveyou4ever: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7890939
2017-04-22 18:06 Skylish: the situation goes even worse: check 00:53:474 - at Futsuu, it has a rest there
2017-04-22 18:06 iloveyou4ever: maybe I change to this
2017-04-22 18:07 iloveyou4ever: I know what you mean
2017-04-22 18:07 iloveyou4ever: maybe I care the structure too much
2017-04-22 18:08 Skylish: You keep a really consistent mapping structure at Kiai overall speaking
2017-04-22 18:08 Skylish: but it is too consistent that you ignore resting and the balancing structure with the music (vocal and instruments) itself
2017-04-22 18:09 Skylish: oh answer that why 'rest' is so damn impt:
2017-04-22 18:09 iloveyou4ever: 要取捨...
2017-04-22 18:09 Skylish: Rest is so impt because it is not only for player to take a rest, but also SERVES as an EMPHASIZE!
2017-04-22 18:10 iloveyou4ever: maybe I remap some parts
2017-04-22 18:10 Skylish: * 00:53:788 - k k d is far better than the original ver., but I will even remove 00:53:945 -
2017-04-22 18:10 Skylish: I guess you need to check all triplets' timings
2017-04-22 18:11 Skylish: and consider what you can strike for a balance
2017-04-22 18:11 Skylish: Rememeber to check Futsuu
2017-04-22 18:11 Skylish: because it gives you a huge hint about when you should stop putting notes
2017-04-22 18:11 Skylish: I am now going to check some common 1/2 then
2017-04-22 18:12 Skylish: wait I have to wash rive
2017-04-22 18:12 Skylish: lmao
2017-04-22 18:12 Skylish: *rice
2017-04-22 18:15 iloveyou4ever: https://puu.sh/vsoEn.osz
2017-04-22 18:15 iloveyou4ever: applied your mod and change sth in kiai time
2017-04-22 18:16 Skylish: back
2017-04-22 18:18 Skylish: 01:02:898 -
2017-04-22 18:18 Skylish: lol this timing again
2017-04-22 18:18 Skylish: I check the latest ver. above
2017-04-22 18:19 Skylish: and does not see any changes of it
2017-04-22 18:19 iloveyou4ever: oh ok remove this
2017-04-22 18:19 Skylish: 01:02:898 (144) - my suggestion https://puu.sh/vsoMR/049c03795f.png
2017-04-22 18:19 Skylish: to keep it much cleaner
2017-04-22 18:19 iloveyou4ever: wtf so undermapped
2017-04-22 18:20 iloveyou4ever: if I reduce few more notes,the note spread will be unbalanced...
2017-04-22 18:20 Skylish: The latest ver.'s triplets are still overmapped imo
2017-04-22 18:21 iloveyou4ever: then tell nardo,his oni is overmapped too :^)
2017-04-22 18:21 Skylish: He indeed overmapped a bit
2017-04-22 18:21 iloveyou4ever: muzukashii has triplet is normal ok?
2017-04-22 18:21 Skylish: but the gap within Muzukashii and Oni can be bigger
2017-04-22 18:21 Skylish: Futsuu and Muzukashii is sometimes closer
2017-04-22 18:21 iloveyou4ever: ^then the gap within muzu and futsuu will be smaller
2017-04-22 18:21 Skylish: yes
2017-04-22 18:22 Skylish: it is NORMAL BECAUSE
2017-04-22 18:22 iloveyou4ever: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7891048
2017-04-22 18:22 iloveyou4ever: now it's 2.24* 3.21* and 4.23*
2017-04-22 18:22 iloveyou4ever: 218,317,415 notes
2017-04-22 18:22 Skylish: Oni has more freedom to add notes, and apply to more elements, but Muzukashii should keep a NICE OVERALL STRUCTURE of the music
2017-04-22 18:22 iloveyou4ever: I think the spread is fine
2017-04-22 18:22 Skylish: nvm, I expect the Muzukashii is actually sth ~290 ~300
2017-04-22 18:23 Skylish: Oni is about ~400
2017-04-22 18:23 iloveyou4ever: maybe wait nardo applying the mod first...
2017-04-22 18:23 Skylish: 00:50:804 - 你呢D triplet 用法整到好似Oni 咁
2017-04-22 18:23 Skylish: 本身呢個triplet 係唔應該有,但係你強行加上去
2017-04-22 18:24 Skylish: 本身呢個做法當然冇問題
2017-04-22 18:24 Skylish: 但當你成個map都係
2017-04-22 18:24 Skylish: 咁就會出事
2017-04-22 18:24 iloveyou4ever: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7891060
2017-04-22 18:24 iloveyou4ever: nardo diff
2017-04-22 18:24 Skylish: 一黎呢D ghost notes 係Muzukashii 其實只會用3-4個左右
2017-04-22 18:24 Skylish: 成個muzukashii 都係就-- > overmapped
2017-04-22 18:24 iloveyou4ever: mine is only few nnn patterns among two bars
2017-04-22 18:25 iloveyou4ever: if I remove more triplets,the spread between muzu and futsuu will become closert
2017-04-22 18:25 iloveyou4ever: *closer
2017-04-22 18:25 Skylish: ^ that's acceptable
2017-04-22 18:26 iloveyou4ever: 你見futsuu間唔中先有d 1/2
2017-04-22 18:26 Skylish: 成個Futsuu 最大特點係跟晒vocal
2017-04-22 18:26 iloveyou4ever: oni就已經成堆3+5plets
2017-04-22 18:26 Skylish: 你個Muzukashii最大特點係vocal+instruments
2017-04-22 18:26 Skylish: 你本身堆kkdk 00:51:903 (84,85,86,87) -
2017-04-22 18:26 Skylish: 已經好有特色
2017-04-22 18:27 iloveyou4ever: kdkk?
2017-04-22 18:27 Skylish: arh yes
2017-04-22 18:27 iloveyou4ever: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7891089
2017-04-22 18:28 iloveyou4ever: nardo連7plets都用埋
2017-04-22 18:28 Skylish: 01:05:411 - 打後用果D triplets 其實我覺得okay 因為個music intensity 好夠
2017-04-22 18:28 iloveyou4ever: 咁我間唔中放d triplet都ok啊...
2017-04-22 18:28 Skylish: 你果D已經唔係間唔中
2017-04-22 18:28 Skylish: 係好有規律咁樣放LOL
2017-04-22 18:29 Skylish: i.e. too consistent
2017-04-22 18:29 iloveyou4ever: too consistent lmao
2017-04-22 18:29 iloveyou4ever: 當futsuu得1/2果陣,而oni就3+5+7plets
2017-04-22 18:30 Skylish: 我個最大concern係,你行緊Futsuu完全唔同ge mapping system果時,你已經做到density spread個效果
2017-04-22 18:30 iloveyou4ever: 如果muzu唔放triplet,你覺得note spread會balanced到...?
2017-04-22 18:30 Skylish: 你D triplets overdone 左
2017-04-22 18:30 Skylish: for example: 01:05:411 -
2017-04-22 18:30 Skylish: The music goes hyper :hype:
2017-04-22 18:30 iloveyou4ever: 如果我刪走d triplets,咁nardo就要移走好多notes
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: and you place more notes, more triplets, this is nothing wrong
2017-04-22 18:31 iloveyou4ever: 如果唔係muzu and oni spread會太大
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: and it is acceptable, but the section before 01:05:411 - , is also as DENSE, as FKING DENSE as the hype section
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: so where's the contrast?
2017-04-22 18:31 iloveyou4ever: your concern is triplet of my difficulty,my concern is the whole spread...
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: where's the rest, again
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: Yes I am also talking about the whole spread
2017-04-22 18:31 Skylish: even spread within difficulties lmao
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: * I dont really care Nardo's one because it's overmapped imo as well
2017-04-22 18:32 iloveyou4ever: ok then maybe I remove some triplets before 01:05:411 -
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: Muzukashii basically follows the base of Futsuu
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: 00:57:872 - 呢個你可以留
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: 個vocal 夠高
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: 夠勁
2017-04-22 18:32 Skylish: 呢D咪留得
2017-04-22 18:33 Skylish: 但係例如你一開始00:50:804 - 呢D
2017-04-22 18:33 Skylish: too dense
2017-04-22 18:33 Skylish: 00:52:846 - this can also be kept
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: long vocal here ^
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: same thing applies along the whole Kiai
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: 你改完之後再睇返Futsuu
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: Futsuu 個resting 做得唔錯
2017-04-22 18:34 iloveyou4ever: 你等我一陣remap
2017-04-22 18:34 iloveyou4ever: 今次應該ok
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: 你del 走一定數量triplet你就會見到gap
2017-04-22 18:34 iloveyou4ever: 五分鐘
2017-04-22 18:34 Skylish: oh okay
2017-04-22 18:41 iloveyou4ever: ok now
2017-04-22 18:41 iloveyou4ever: https://puu.sh/vspsM.osz
2017-04-22 18:41 Skylish: 306 objects?
2017-04-22 18:41 Skylish: right?
2017-04-22 18:42 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 18:43 Skylish: It looks better
2017-04-22 18:43 Skylish: definitely better
2017-04-22 18:43 Skylish: the progression uses of triplet is appropriate
2017-04-22 18:43 Skylish: nice
2017-04-22 18:43 iloveyou4ever: yes
2017-04-22 18:44 Skylish: 00:58:971 -
2017-04-22 18:44 iloveyou4ever: maybe nardo has to remove some notes from 00:49:076 - to 01:09:181 - ...
2017-04-22 18:44 Skylish: remove it to leave some space for D 00:59:129 (118) - ?
2017-04-22 18:44 Skylish: oh Nardo will do his work
2017-04-22 18:44 iloveyou4ever: ok
2017-04-22 18:44 Skylish: 01:09:024 -
2017-04-22 18:45 Skylish: similar with 58:971
2017-04-22 18:45 Skylish: remove it?
2017-04-22 18:45 Skylish: 01:19:233 (223) - you forget to put Finish ?
2017-04-22 18:46 Skylish: 01:26:773 (265) - same as above
2017-04-22 18:46 iloveyou4ever: ^you mean putting finisher?
2017-04-22 18:46 Skylish: yes
2017-04-22 18:46 Skylish: please put Finish on them
2017-04-22 18:47 iloveyou4ever: ok applied except 01:09:024 -
2017-04-22 18:47 iloveyou4ever: 01:09:024 - I think it's so climax here,I don't want to remove it
2017-04-22 18:47 Skylish: umm okay
2017-04-22 18:47 Skylish: valid enough
2017-04-22 18:47 iloveyou4ever: any other thing?
2017-04-22 18:48 Skylish: okay lastly the fking NOTE spread does not look really bad after such nurves on triplet
2017-04-22 18:48 Skylish: so don't forget about rests
2017-04-22 18:48 Skylish: 219 305 416
2017-04-22 18:48 Skylish: definitely fine
2017-04-22 18:48 iloveyou4ever: is it lol...
2017-04-22 18:48 iloveyou4ever: ok
2017-04-22 18:48 iloveyou4ever: 219 305 416
2017-04-22 18:48 Skylish: and I guess that's it for this IRC mod
2017-04-22 18:49 iloveyou4ever: oh ok,thanks :D
2017-04-22 18:49 Skylish: I will leave a general idea at the forum, and reminds Nardo to check his difficulty
2017-04-22 18:49 Skylish: I guess Nardo will get to you, and discuss the spread with you later
2017-04-22 18:49 Skylish: :D
2017-04-22 18:49 iloveyou4ever: nice

[Here's a summary of this lengthy IRC mod:]

> Consistent uses of spinner at 00:25:488 (1) -

> Fix some structures among the map

> In a LARGE extent reduce the density in Kiai

> Reduce a lot of uses of triplets which are only present in hyper sections or the bars before metronome

> Rests are applied to Muzukashii according to Futsuu

@Nardo, your Oni is overmapped a bit, the uses of 5-plets at the very beginning at Kiai section is a bit too full, and the 7-plets later on is too densed and complicated as well. You may consider the latest ver. of ily4's Muzukashii to adjust the density flow and spread. Please communicate with each others for a better clearance of any misconceptions. :D
Kin

Chromoxx wrote:

[Kantan]
00:00:151 - and 00:03:394 - are the same pattern but the vocals are pretty different, which is kinda repetitive, either consider changing one of the patterns to dkd or dkk changed to dkd
also the general start part is about as dense as the futsuu atm so maybe nerf it a bit for better spread slighly nerfed
00:28:972 - constant 4/1 placement here is pretty boring considering how you mapped the start part I've just added 1 note to keep a good build up
00:33:998 - spacing here is pretty awkward for a kantan, try to use a simpler constellation for the pattern, i find moving 00:35:568 - and 00:38:081 - 1/1 works wonders and fixes this entire thing fixed
00:41:537 - change to d, the synth sound is somewhat deeper than the other 2 neighbouring notes and there's no direct vocal hit here so it shouldn't be mapped the same imo I really like how the spam k feel here D:

good luck ;)
thanks for mod!

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Topic Starter
Charlotte

stu00608 wrote:

hi!,there is my mod for the awesome Sayuri song.
<-this means how I will do in there

[ Inner Oni]

  • 00:42:793 del fixed.

    00:45:699 del , make it a little rest time hmm...I prefer 7-plet

    00:49:547 k->d
    00:49:704 (126,127,128,129,130) - (ddkkd) -> (k_ddk)
    I think it's suitable for the first part of kiai
    the original set is suitable from 00:54:102 to 00:55:202 I tried your suggestion.but,I prefer current pattern.

    00:59:286 (203,204,205) - change to kkd? I prefer kkd.(This part)
    like 00:49:233 (122,123,124) and 00:54:259 (164,165,166) ...

    01:02:113 like this I changed another pattern.

    I don't know why but I feel that is better XD

    Nice Song Excellent MAP />w</\>w<\ (灬╹ω╹灬)
Good luck !!
btw it is a Birthday mod XDD

Chromoxx wrote:

hey, quick mod! :D hey

[General]
why no full ver ;w; ・゚・(。✖д✖。)・゚・
could add "scums" into tags because some people are too lazy to type the ' fixed.
volume is maybe a little bit low in the kiai, maybe raise it to 70% hmm...leave 55% as is.but,If get a lot of opinions,I'll change 70%

[Inner Oni]
00:16:772 - 00:17:583 - adding the hits here and mapping the vocal fully would add a good buildup into the spinner and make sense since you followed all the other vocals in this part imo fixed.
00:18:799 - changing this to k k d would emphasize the pitch changes better overall since the sounds at 00:18:799 - and 00:19:205 - are pretty distinct aswell and kdddk is a pretty bland pattern without much individual emphasis fixed.

00:28:972 - i feel like flow-wise this part is a bit overdone, you're transitioning from a very slow part directly into using a lot of 1/4 patterns even when the music isn't that intensive yet. For better buildup toward the kiai i would suggest only using 1/2 patterns from 00:28:972 - and then introducing the 1/4 patterns when the drums kick in at 00:33:998 - this would flow a lot better overall in my opinion and put more emphasize on the kiai, which is really what the song lives from. I changed easier pattern.

00:46:563 - this is a kind of personal thing but i feel like this stream doesn't go too well together with the buildup streams you have at 00:45:307 - and 00:45:935 - since it's using very different patterning which has less color changes on dominant ticks, whereas usually more color changes are used for the more intense streams, i'd suggest something like fixed.

00:57:087 - i'd reccomend changing this to d (maybe also 00:57:008 - to k if you feel like kkdkd is better than kkddd) to emphasize the vocal at 00:57:244 - more and make the k ddd K pattern stand out more, this also flows more cleanly imo fixed.
01:17:191 - same here ^

01:01:642 - this pattern stands out a lot and doesn't really fit into the scheme of patterns you are using throughout the map, i'd reccomend changing it in order to keep a more clean and consistent map change clean pattern

i feel like you use k k k 1/2 constellations a bit too much in the kiai and they don't really flow well (like 01:01:642 (225,227,230) - 01:06:982 (268,269,270) - )
usually repeated use of k or d on 1/2 beats builds up emphasis for a following color change, which flows well but instead of having a natural constellation like k k d you keep it at k k k which feels kind of forced when playing and could give clearer emphasis as k k d. hmm...I prefer k k k.follow the vocal

[Futsuu]
some patterns at the start are the same length as inner oni, i would reccomend nerfing those ones slightly while comparing and keeping it slightly easier than the muzu little changed
00:32:270 - delete, i feel like the long 1/1 pattern puts better emphasis on the vocal while not overusing 1/2 in the relatively calm section, the muzu is very calm here too fixed.
00:37:453 - move to 00:37:296 - to match drums and vocals better fixed.
00:39:024 - this section here is denser than the muzu, nerf accordingly to whatever ily4 does after my suggestion for this part on his diff I changed easiry pattern.but,stii Futusu > Muzukashii.4ever diff is really easy.
00:58:500 - i'd reccomend deleting this to keep a slightly larger break after this long pattern and also add more emphasis on 00:58:186 - hmm...nope.I prefer 1/1 break time.

rest is ok i guess :D

good luck ;)
4ever Kin diff updated. & Thank you mod :)
Nardoxyribonucleic

stu00608 wrote:

hi!,there is my mod for the awesome Sayuri song.
<-this means how I will do in there

[Nardo's Oni ]

  • 00:19:205 k d would fit the overall pitch decrease of vocal well compared to 00:17:988 (28,29) -

    00:54:731 (135) - k Retained in contrast to 00:52:218 (115,116,117) - to reflect the pitch difference.
    00:54:888 (136,137) - dk I think k d could follow the background tone in a way better.
    00:55:280 (139,140) - kd dk would be okay to me as the vocal pitch at 00:55:359 - is relatively high.
    (like 00:49:547 (95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102) - )

    01:04:469 (209) - d
    01:04:626 (210) - k Remain unchanged to follow the snare.

    01:07:218 add d
    01:07:375 del
    01:07:689 add d
    01:07:846 add k
    01:08:003 del Hmm, flow-wise I think the current pattern arrangement would be more appropriate as an Oni.

    01:14:521 ~ 01:15:463 same with 00:54:731 (like 00:49:547 (95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102) - )
    you know what I mean :P same as above

    also 01:22:061 ~ 01:23:003 ^

    Good Luck :D
Good luck !!
btw it is a Birthday mod XDD

Chromoxx wrote:

hey, quick mod! :D

[Nardo's Oni]
pretty clean diff, good job! :D Thank you.

rest is ok i guess :D

good luck ;)

Skylish wrote:

@Nardo, your Oni is overmapped a bit, the uses of 5-plets at the very beginning at Kiai section is a bit too full, and the 7-plets later on is too densed and complicated as well. You may consider the latest ver. of ily4's Muzukashii to adjust the density flow and spread. Please communicate with each others for a better clearance of any misconceptions. :D It is not overmapped considering the high note density and some complex patterns present in Inner Oni. While I think a bit more 1/4 notes could be added in ily4's Muzukashii since Futsuu's note density in the kiai is relatively high.
Thanks for your mods and comments~ :)
Stefan
Why hello there

[General]
00:00:151 - 00:28:529 - going from Kantan till Inner Oni that part feels through the mapset too similar, I mean okay: Kantan does have much less notes than Inner Oni in this part but the difficulty increase is so small between the difficulties in this part.. I honestly would say to do something against that.
  1. Inner Oni: I don't find that 00:14:745 (19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31) - needs to be mapped like this. Yes it does follow the vocals but does it also sound natural? imo it doesn't really. I understand why, though since it would be too similar to the Muzukashii difficulty.
  2. Oni: Pretty much the same like above applies here too, maybe you guys can find a compromise to make Oni for a bit easier than Inner Oni.
  3. Muzukashii: I think we can keep it for the biggest part. Notes like 00:03:799 (6) - , 00:15:150 (21) - and 00:18:394 (27) - can/should be removed since I find they're almost too much already and leaves not enough room between the difficulty and the upcoming difficulties.
  4. Futsuu: I'd go with single-colour oo pattern (like 00:09:069 (10,11,12,13) - to be kk dd) and remove 00:15:556 (18) - . 00:13:123 - 00:19:610 - could be changed to this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/XcoXYpbO.png It's something more consistent for a lower difficulty and noticeable easier than the Muzukashii part. Lastly, the note at 00:23:664 - can be removed too so it gives 00:22:853 - and 00:24:475 - more impact.
  5. Kantan: Should be nerfed straightforward; no oo parts and very simplistic pattern, example for 00:00:151 - 00:11:502 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/cmMIMYV6.png
[Kantan]
00:34:940 (35) - Personally I found it cooler that the note is on 00:34:626 - , played as d. It synergies really well with the background and vocals and the current k note sounds misplaced since the drum hit applies on 00:35:097 - , not on 00:34:940 - .
00:37:139 (39) - You could also apply to that note to move at 00:36:825 - , also works well here and feels more consistent. (Maybe if you did both of these things, we could change 00:34:312 (34) - to a d note, so it's the same than 00:36:197 (37,38,39) - and less weird that you do map the drum sound at first with k but then not)
00:52:846 (61) - Maybe we can change this note to d? Since 00:52:218 (60) - is already k it sorta lower the impact of 00:52:846 (61) - and makes it sound too similar while they aren't.
00:55:987 (65) - i'd say we can continue with the idea of using single colour pattern and make them to kk.
01:01:956 (75) - ^ so it could be changed to kkk.
01:07:296 (83,84,85) - We should cut this combo; remove (83) first and then make the next two notes 01:07:924 (84,85) - to big notes, it improves the buildup without having that long combo.
01:13:579 (92) - dunno if you prefer to have something different here but personally I like it to be consistent for the lower difficulties and to have something repeating, especially for the kiai we can express that very well. So my idea is to move it to 01:12:951 - (and additionally to change it to d).
01:19:233 - 01:24:259 - it's actually a neat idea, but may I should you my idea for that part https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/DdJ0PXbz.png the break at 01:21:118 - feels essential to me since we barely have such a long combo (why at all), as well like previously mentioned but it's good to be rather consistent for the lower difficulties. the kkk usage got moved some ms behind because kkk after a 1/1 break sounds odd to me and doesn't connect well.

[Futsuu]
00:28:972 - 00:33:998 - We could optimize this part to Kantan/Muzukashii so the spread will be better then. We can add a note on 00:29:286 - since you generally like to have continous mapping by the vocals. 00:30:542 - should be removed since this part in Kantan is per se pretty simple, 1/2 oo looks too tough then, 1/1 to 1/2 and back to 1/1 is a nicer alternative. and the longer combo should be split like this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/YS74S402.png (starting at (8)). Hitsounds are optional, I just took these since they're simple and good to play for newer players. If you rather want yours to use, that should be fine too.
01:06:982 (116,117) - We can make this more interesting, what do you think? Remove (117) entirely and move (116) to 01:07:139 - .

[Muzukashii]
00:47:506 (68) - You shouldn't use multi-colour triplets for a Muzukashii in this BPM section, a straght single-colour d triplet works also well but it's easier.
00:56:930 (105) - and 01:17:034 (210) - It actually sounds odd you use ddkk for these two parts while the drum hit of the background music definitely applies to be a kat note. You should change them to k.
01:06:040 (150) - Since these are the only "longer" combos in the map - which doesn't feel necessary since Futsuu barely offer these sort of combos - I'd just cut that note out and therefore split 01:05:254 (145,146,147,148,149) - from 01:06:197 (151,152) - .
01:18:448 (218) - ^
01:25:673 (258) - ^

[Oni]
00:53:710 (128) - caught this little idea while modding; how about to change this part to ddkkd k? I find it goes much better with the vocals. You can heard around 00:53:396 - the vocals start and actually ends already at 00:53:631 - , as well it makes it more clear that ddkkd goes with the vocals and doesn't mix both BGM and vocals together.
00:58:893 (167) - I would skip "uncommon" pattern like kdkkd in this case since Muzukashii sparingly uses triplets, your Oni uses a decent amount of them. And to include these sort of pattern could be a bit too tricky. I suggest removing this note because dkd 00:58:343 (161,162,163,164,165,166) - harmonize very well and can be kept this way.
01:02:191 (193) - Personally I don't really see why this is kept as dkk while similar (nearly identical) parts are mapped with ddk. But you probably have your reasons I guess.
01:08:553 (240) - dkd sounds pretty weird at this spot, why don't you try kkddkkd instead?
01:13:658 (281) - Same point I've mentioned for 00:58:893 (167) - .
01:18:526 (317) - It doesn't look right to me that 01:18:447 (316) - connects to 01:18:605 (318,319,320,321,322,323,324) - while the purpose of it isn't really given. The guitar riff starts from 01:18:605 - and not before, so the note feels pretty misplaced and wrong.

[Inner Oni]
00:53:553 - You may want to add a kat note here, sounds pretty nice for the vocals. As well, you can change 00:53:474 (154) - to kat afterwards.
01:00:542 (207,208,209,210,211,212) - kdkkd k sounds really sick and gives some variation since this sort of pattern doesn't appear so often.
01:01:642 (217,218,219,220,221,222) - this again should be actually kkddk d since kdkkd sounds pretty odd and not so natural (compared to the example above).
01:08:160 (271,272) - kkdkddk is weird.. I guess it's more an own interpretation but I find kkddkdk good enough.
01:12:323 (310,311) - Same here, I felt kd actually makes more sense since the vocals applies on the first note where kat should be preferred and not on the second note.
01:18:448 (361,362,363) - either change it to kdd or go with dkk, so the single kat note doesn't sound so odd.

I've already pmed you and wrote you already what I think about the set, ye? Kantan is still at the begin and needs more mods (not bad or anything like that, just saying), Futsuu had not much to say but.. I sorta feel uncomfortable with it. ily4's Muzukashii is pretty good, as stand-alone difficulty it's for the biggest part very well mapped. Nardo's Oni is aside of the points I've mentioned pretty hard and can consider some combo splits too, just to lower the general difficulty a bit. Inner Oni was sort of okay, just some parts were really weird and odd to listen and play.
iloveyou4ever

Stefan wrote:

Why hello there

[General]
Muzukashii: I think we can keep it for the biggest part. Notes like 00:03:799 (6) - , 00:15:150 (21) - and 00:18:394 (27) - can/should be removed since I find they're almost too much already and leaves not enough room between the difficulty and the upcoming difficulties.
Yes,it's more nice,removed :)

[Muzukashii]
00:47:506 (68) - You shouldn't use multi-colour triplets for a Muzukashii in this BPM section, a straght single-colour d triplet works also well but it's easier.my feeling is that ddd doesn't fit the music here,it's like 00:47:506 (68,69) - these two timestamps have strong ''tick'' strong
and I would use k k to emphasis it,as long as there's only one multi-colour triplet in muzukashii,I think it's fine~


00:56:930 (105) - and 01:17:034 (210) - It actually sounds odd you use ddkk for these two parts while the drum hit of the background music definitely applies to be a kat note. You should change them to k.yes it gives more variation and fits the music better,changed

01:06:040 (150) - Since these are the only "longer" combos in the map - which doesn't feel necessary since Futsuu barely offer these sort of combos - I'd just cut that note out and therefore split 01:05:254 (145,146,147,148,149) - from 01:06:197 (151,152) - .
01:18:448 (218) - ^
01:25:673 (258) - ^
all removed :>

ily4's Muzukashii is pretty good, as stand-alone difficulty it's for the biggest part very well mapped.
Thanks for your comment,appreciate that >_<
Thanks for modding :)

Muzukashii
osu file format v14

[General]
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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 48134
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
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[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 32
TimelineZoom: 1.7

[Metadata]
Title:Heikousen
TitleUnicode:平行線
Artist:Sayuri
ArtistUnicode:さユり
Creator:Charlotte
Version:ily4's Muzukashii
Source:クズの本懐
Tags:kuzu honkai scum's wish Nardoxyribonucleic iloveyou4ever Kin
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ApproachRate:5
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Kin

Stefan wrote:

[*]Kantan: Should be nerfed straightforward; no oo parts and very simplistic pattern, example for 00:00:151 - 00:11:502 - https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/cmMIMYV6.png I really hate to do this since it does really break how I follow the vocal, but well, fixed[/list]

[Kantan]
00:34:940 (35) - Personally I found it cooler that the note is on 00:34:626 - , played as d. It synergies really well with the background and vocals and the current k note sounds misplaced since the drum hit applies on 00:35:097 - , not on 00:34:940 - .
00:37:139 (39) - You could also apply to that note to move at 00:36:825 - , also works well here and feels more consistent. (Maybe if you did both of these things, we could change 00:34:312 (34) - to a d note, so it's the same than 00:36:197 (37,38,39) - and less weird that you do map the drum sound at first with k but then not) both fixed
00:52:846 (61) - Maybe we can change this note to d? Since 00:52:218 (60) - is already k it sorta lower the impact of 00:52:846 (61) - and makes it sound too similar while they aren't. I know what you mean, but I don't really like how it flow as don, with the fact I'm skipping this note : 00:53:474 - . I still prefer it as kat, even tho I understand this point of view
00:55:987 (65) - i'd say we can continue with the idea of using single colour pattern and make them to kk. fixed, since I used it here 01:16:092 (94,95) -
01:01:956 (75) - ^ so it could be changed to kkk. I kinda loose too much emphasis on those vocal : 01:02:270 (73,74) -
01:07:296 (83,84,85) - We should cut this combo; remove (83) first and then make the next two notes 01:07:924 (84,85) - to big notes, it improves the buildup without having that long combo. not really fixed, but I changed something to get the combo a lil lighter, but still have the same structure
01:13:579 (92) - dunno if you prefer to have something different here but personally I like it to be consistent for the lower difficulties and to have something repeating, especially for the kiai we can express that very well. So my idea is to move it to 01:12:951 - (and additionally to change it to d). I already know about it. But the fact is, on this case 00:52:846 (58) - even if the "te" from the vocal is lower than the "e" here. since the "e" is only an extension of the "te", I feel like mapping the "te" on this case is way better. While, this one : 01:12:951 - doesn't really have the vocal (because it's here 01:12:793 - ) & the "ra" from the vocal is way higher on this case 01:13:579 (90) - .
01:19:233 - 01:24:259 - it's actually a neat idea, but may I should you my idea for that part https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/DdJ0PXbz.png the break at 01:21:118 - feels essential to me since we barely have such a long combo (why at all), as well like previously mentioned but it's good to be rather consistent for the lower difficulties. the kkk usage got moved some ms behind because kkk after a 1/1 break sounds odd to me and doesn't connect well. fixed
thanks for the mod!

Kantan update
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Nardoxyribonucleic

Stefan wrote:

Why hello there

[General]
  1. Oni: Pretty much the same like above applies here too, maybe you guys can find a compromise to make Oni for a bit easier than Inner Oni. Removing notes would only result in inconsistency and incoherence. In this calm prelude session, I think it would be okay to have similar note density like Inner Oni as this difficulty is already of an advanced level.
[Oni]
00:53:710 (128) - caught this little idea while modding; how about to change this part to ddkkd k? I find it goes much better with the vocals. You can heard around 00:53:396 - the vocals start and actually ends already at 00:53:631 - , as well it makes it more clear that ddkkd goes with the vocals and doesn't mix both BGM and vocals together. Retained for pattern consistency as 00:51:275 (110,111,112) -
00:58:893 (167) - I would skip "uncommon" pattern like kdkkd in this case since Muzukashii sparingly uses triplets, your Oni uses a decent amount of them. And to include these sort of pattern could be a bit too tricky. I suggest removing this note because dkd 00:58:343 (161,162,163,164,165,166) - harmonize very well and can be kept this way. The original Inner Oni was harder at this spot. Fixed.
01:02:191 (193) - Personally I don't really see why this is kept as dkk while similar (nearly identical) parts are mapped with ddk. But you probably have your reasons I guess. Keeping 01:02:113 (192,193,194) - as dkk would help emphasize the extraordinarily high-pitched vocal there.
01:08:553 (240) - dkd sounds pretty weird at this spot, why don't you try kkddkkd instead? Remain unchanged to reflect the pitch difference among 01:07:924 (235,240) -
01:13:658 (281) - Same point I've mentioned for 00:58:893 (167) - . Deleted the note at 01:13:814 - instead owing to flow concern.
01:18:526 (317) - It doesn't look right to me that 01:18:447 (316) - connects to 01:18:605 (318,319,320,321,322,323,324) - while the purpose of it isn't really given. The guitar riff starts from 01:18:605 - and not before, so the note feels pretty misplaced and wrong. The purpose was to provide a greater impact accompanying with the subsequent drums. Did some modifications for a better spread.
Thanks for your mod Stefan~ :)

Update: https://puu.sh/vB4rT.rar
Topic Starter
Charlotte

Stefan wrote:

Why hello there

[General]
00:00:151 - 00:28:529 - going from Kantan till Inner Oni that part feels through the mapset too similar, I mean okay: Kantan does have much less notes than Inner Oni in this part but the difficulty increase is so small between the difficulties in this part.. I honestly would say to do something against that.
  1. Inner Oni: I don't find that 00:14:745 (19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31) - needs to be mapped like this. Yes it does follow the vocals but does it also sound natural? imo it doesn't really. I understand why, though since it would be too similar to the Muzukashii difficulty.
  2. Futsuu: I'd go with single-colour oo pattern (like 00:09:069 (10,11,12,13) - to be kk dd) and remove 00:15:556 (18) - . 00:13:123 - 00:19:610 - could be changed to this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/XcoXYpbO.png It's something more consistent for a lower difficulty and noticeable easier than the Muzukashii part. I changed single pattern & I chaged pattern(img).Lastly, the note at 00:23:664 - can be removed too so it gives 00:22:853 - and 00:24:475 - more impact. nope.I prefer notes.
[Futsuu]
00:28:972 - 00:33:998 - We could optimize this part to Kantan/Muzukashii so the spread will be better then. We can add a note on 00:29:286 - since you generally like to have continous mapping by the vocals. 00:30:542 - should be removed since this part in Kantan is per se pretty simple, 1/2 oo looks too tough then, 1/1 to 1/2 and back to 1/1 is a nicer alternative. and the longer combo should be split like this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/YS74S402.png (starting at (8)). Hitsounds are optional, I just took these since they're simple and good to play for newer players. If you rather want yours to use, that should be fine too. fixed.
01:06:982 (116,117) - We can make this more interesting, what do you think? Remove (117) entirely and move (116) to 01:07:139 - . fixed.

[Inner Oni]
00:53:553 - You may want to add a kat note here, sounds pretty nice for the vocals. As well, you can change 00:53:474 (154) - to kat afterwards. nope.I prefer triplet here section.
01:00:542 (207,208,209,210,211,212) - kdkkd k sounds really sick and gives some variation since this sort of pattern doesn't appear so often. fixed
01:01:642 (217,218,219,220,221,222) - this again should be actually kkddk d since kdkkd sounds pretty odd and not so natural (compared to the example above). ^
01:08:160 (271,272) - kkdkddk is weird.. I guess it's more an own interpretation but I find kkddkdk good enough. ^
01:12:323 (310,311) - Same here, I felt kd actually makes more sense since the vocals applies on the first note where kat should be preferred and not on the second note. hmmm....okay.I changed kdddkkk
01:18:448 (361,362,363) - either change it to kdd or go with dkk, so the single kat note doesn't sound so odd. kdd!

I've already pmed you and wrote you already what I think about the set, ye? Kantan is still at the begin and needs more mods (not bad or anything like that, just saying), Futsuu had not much to say but.. I sorta feel uncomfortable with it. ily4's Muzukashii is pretty good, as stand-alone difficulty it's for the biggest part very well mapped. Nardo's Oni is aside of the points I've mentioned pretty hard and can consider some combo splits too, just to lower the general difficulty a bit. Inner Oni was sort of okay, just some parts were really weird and odd to listen and play.
Thank you mod :)
[R]
yo

[Kantan]
01:08:867 - add note ?? to make bit more energetic as the drum has stream

[Futsuu]
00:10:691 (14,15) - swap ?? match with vocal & instrument
01:04:626 - change don to give variety with 01:05:882 -
01:14:835 - change kat to reflec pattern in 01:15:307 (139,140) -
01:23:631 - change don ??

[Muzukashii]
00:00:961 - change don, to give variety with 00:07:448 -
00:15:556 - change kat ?? pitch is different with 00:14:745 -
00:18:799 - change don ?? ^

00:46:877 (63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - try "k d kkk d k" it's more simple to hit and good sound
01:26:615 - delete to make 01:26:773 - sound clear

[Oni]
00:19:205 - change kat, match with vocal
00:36:511 - change don, consistency with 00:33:998 - (match with vocal too)
00:47:427 (90,91) - maybe swap to emphasize note in 00:47:427 (90,91) -

[Inner Oni]
00:42:165 - change don, match with vocal
00:43:108 (75,76) - invert, ^
01:07:767 - change don to emphasize pattern in 01:07:924 -
01:09:888 - change kat ??

that's all from me
good luck
iloveyou4ever

[R] wrote:

yo

[Muzukashii]
00:00:961 - change don, to give variety with 00:07:448 - keep
00:15:556 - change kat ?? pitch is different with 00:14:745 -
00:18:799 - change don ?? ^ change to d k k and k d d

00:46:877 (63,64,65,66,67,68,69) - try "k d kkk d k" it's more simple to hit and good sound ok
01:26:615 - delete to make 01:26:773 - sound clear ok

that's all from me
good luck
Thanks for modding :)
muzukashii
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Nardoxyribonucleic

[R] wrote:

yo

[Oni]
00:19:205 - change kat, match with vocal 00:19:205 (31,32) - have the same vocal pitch, so d would be fine.
00:36:511 - change don, consistency with 00:33:998 - (match with vocal too) The pitch at 00:36:511 (35) - is considerably higher than that at 00:33:998 -
00:47:427 (90,91) - maybe swap to emphasize note in 00:47:427 (90,91) - The instrument at 00:47:506 (91,92) - sounds pretty similar, so I think the current pattern could fit better.

that's all from me
good luck
Thanks for your mod though~ :)
_yu68
hello~
via in-game.

mod
[General]
  1. BPM191のTiming Pointは目盛りから見て00:27:718 - で引く方が適切なように思います。変更する場合はresnapもしてください。
  2. Widescreen Supportのチェックを全てのdiffで統一してください。Kantan,Futsuu,Muzukashiiにのみチェックが入っています。
[Kin's Kantan]
  1. 00:35:568 (33,34) - move 1/1 left in edit? It should make simpler rhythms for beginners.
  2. 00:35:254 - add d? In order to make simpler rhythm.
  3. 01:01:013 - add d and 01:03:526 - delete? Seeing the flow in this part, I think it would be better to make a 4/1 break at 01:02:898 - .
  4. 01:21:118 - ^
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:36:511 - change to k? 直前のkから下がっているような雰囲気を感じます。直後のkが表しているハイハットの強調という意味も含めて提案します。
  2. 01:05:882 - change to d? 1つ前の1/2kkdとの音程差が再生中に気になりました。
  3. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:657 - ? 基本的にボーカルの音は始点が曖昧であるため、シンプルなリズムを犠牲にしてまで正確に合わせる必要性は無いように思います。
  4. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - ? ボーカルにより忠実なように聞こえます。上記の提案を適用するならばこちらは無視してください。
[ily4's Muzukashii]
  1. I think that the difference of 1/4 triplets between the first half and the second half of kiai is too big. How about adding 1/4 triplets to the first half of kiai?
    1. 00:50:804 - 00:50:882 - d
    2. 00:55:830 - 00:55:909 - k
    3. 01:00:856 - 01:00:935 - k
  2. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - or 01:28:657 - ? In order to more accurate follow the vocal, or make simpler rhythm.
[Nardo's Oni]
  1. 00:36:511 - change to d? Sounds like the pitch downs.
  2. 00:58:971 - change to k? It will can emphasize D of next.
  3. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - or 01:28:657 - ? In order to more accurate follow the vocal, or make simpler rhythm.
[Inner Oni]
  1. 01:02:270 - change to k? ボーカルのピッチが特に高く聞こえます。
  2. 01:17:113 - change to k? 前のkkdddとの配色被りを避けるとより流れが自然になるように感じます。
  3. 01:28:579 - Futsuuと同様です。

good luck!
Nardoxyribonucleic

_yu68 wrote:

hello~
via in-game.

mod
[Nardo's Oni]
  1. 00:36:511 - change to d? Sounds like the pitch downs. Retained to reflect the pitch difference with 00:33:998 -
  2. 00:58:971 - change to k? It will can emphasize D of next. fixed
  3. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - or 01:28:657 - ? In order to more accurate follow the vocal, or make simpler rhythm. Hmm, I will decide this with Charlotte later.

good luck!
Thanks for your mod yumuya~ :)
Skylish

_yu68 wrote:

hello~
via in-game.


> BPM191のTiming Pointは目盛りから見て00:27:718 - で引く方が適切なように思います。変更する場合はresnapもしてください。
00:28:972 - is the correct starting of BPM=191 section, judged by the metronome and consistent strong beat.

While 00:27:718 - is still in the phrase of voice gate sfx, the timing from 00:25:691 - to 00:28:972 - cannot be judged anyway since the sfx masks everything there.
Kin

[R] wrote:

[Kantan]
01:08:867 - add note ?? to make bit more energetic as the drum has stream I prefer to keep the way it is for the vocal + the combo will be kinda long

_yu68 wrote:

[Kin's Kantan]
  1. 00:35:568 (33,34) - move 1/1 left in edit? It should make simpler rhythms for beginners. initial pattern was something like this, but I changed it to this after Stefan's mod. I think the current one is still okay according to the drum
  2. 00:35:254 - add d? In order to make simpler rhythm.
  3. 01:01:013 - add d and 01:03:526 - delete? Seeing the flow in this part, I think it would be better to make a 4/1 break at 01:02:898 - . ye, fixed
  4. 01:21:118 - ^ as for this one, the vocal is quite different, and since the kiai is vocal based, I think it's better to keep it
Thanks for mod!

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iloveyou4ever

_yu68 wrote:

Widescreen Supportのチェックを全てのdiffで統一してください。Kantan,Futsuu,Muzukashiiにのみチェックが入っていますok!

[ily4's Muzukashii]
  1. I think that the difference of 1/4 triplets between the first half and the second half of kiai is too big. How about adding 1/4 triplets to the first half of kiai?
    1. 00:50:804 - 00:50:882 - d
    2. 00:55:830 - 00:55:909 - k
    3. 01:00:856 - 01:00:935 - k
    all fixed and also make some minor changes
  2. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - or 01:28:657 - ? In order to more accurate follow the vocal, or make simpler rhythm.
decide with Charlotte later

good luck!
Thanks for modding :)

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Akemi_Homura
Haloo~! Charlotte san~ >< sorry for late..
My modding is include personal feeling & suggestion.
Please feel free to ignore, If my modding affect your mapping style.

d = don
D = big don
k = kat
K = big kat

  • [General]
  1. Wide screen.. aww.... already _yu said. =w=
  2. And I agree _yu's opinion. end note move to 01:28:605 is more fit to vocal imo.

  • [Kin's Kantan]
  1. 00:00:961 (2) - how about change to k~?((2) vocal & instrument pitch is higher than (1). exactly, I think dkd is best choice for follow pitch, but dkk is acceptable too. becuase (2) and (3) has high pitch both.)
  2. 00:07:448 (8, 9) - swap this~? so change to kdk.(same reason with above. vocal & instrument pitch is upward from (8) to (9).)
  3. 00:36:197 (34) - change to k~? (same drum sound with (33) & (36).)
  4. 00:49:704 (52) - same suggestion here~ :) change to k please.(same reason about pitch. and it's make more consistent kat rhythm. kk k kk.)
  5. 00:56:301 (63, 66) - how about change to d these two notes~?(we can express variation of vocal.)
  6. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound with 00:49:076.)
  7. 01:16:406 (95, 98) - same thing. change to d them.
  8. 01:19:233 (100) - add finisher~? (same burst sound with 01:09:181.)

  9. It's a just suggetion about 00:54:102 ~ 01:05:411.
    maybe we can make a symmetry structure like this.

    I love your style. but I can't just ignore this chance to make nice structure. :3
    Please feel free to ignore this suggestion.

  10. same suggstion in 01:13:579 ~ 01:24:259.

    we can make same symmetry structure this part.

  • [Futsuu]
  1. 00:28:972 (1) - add finisher~? (burst cymbal sound here.)
  2. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound.)
  3. 01:05:882 (111, 112) - swap this~? (01:06:040 has burst sound. and kdk is more fit to express vocal's variation.)
  4. 01:12:951 (134) - how about change to k~? (01:12:951 has tick sound & high bell sound. and I think dkk also emphasize next d k.(vocal variation.))
  5. 01:23:317 (166) - just suggestion. how about move to 01:23:945~? (I feel this break point more express vocal.:3)

  • [ily4's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:28:972 (1) - how about add finisher~? (burst sound here.)
  2. 00:39:024 ~ 00:44:050 - how about add more note here~? (Futsuu diff has more note here ;w;. If you add some note this part, diff balance is better imo.)
  3. 01:05:254 (150) - move to 01:05:097. and change to k.(It's more follow vocal. and I feel empty this point.)
  4. 01:05:725 (153) - move to 01:06:040.
    So finally, we can make this symmtery pattern like this.

  • [Nardo's Oni]
  1. 01:14:050 (183) - how about change to k~?(for emphasize (184) vocal. and I think It's a same part with (163)~(165).)
  2. 01:13:657 (180) - how about move to other place or delete~? (I think we can emphasize vocal in 01:13:579. by moving this 5-plet to other place.)
    This is just example. I think you can find better way. Nardo~ :3

  • [Inner Oni]
  1. 00:12:921 - How about add d here~? :3 (Muzu & Oni use d here. but Inner Oni no note this point. maybe we can add d here for better diff balance.)
  2. 01:26:458 (432) - change to k~? (for better flow with next d.)
  3. 00:59:129 (196) - finisher here please.(same burst sound with 00:49:076.)
  4. 01:19:233 (370) - add finisher~? and delete 01:19:390.(01:19:390 no special sound. so we can delete this for emphasize finisher.)
Sorry for poor mod. all diff well mapped, and I enjoyed them all.
I think this map is already rankable quality. :D
hope this rank soon..!
GL~~! :3
Nardoxyribonucleic

Akemi_Homura wrote:

Haloo~! Charlotte san~ >< sorry for late..
My modding is include personal feeling & suggestion.
Please feel free to ignore, If my modding affect your mapping style.

d = don
D = big don
k = kat
K = big kat

  • [Nardo's Oni]
  1. 01:14:050 (183) - how about change to k~?(for emphasize (184) vocal. and I think It's a same part with (163)~(165).) Keeping it as d would follow the vocal pitch in a way better imo.
  2. 01:13:657 (180) - how about move to other place or delete~? (I think we can emphasize vocal in 01:13:579. by moving this 5-plet to other place.) Hmm... Remain unchanged to keep a similar 1/4 structure as 00:51:903 - (3-3-5 sequence)
    This is just example. I think you can find better way. Nardo~ :3

Sorry for poor mod. all diff well mapped, and I enjoyed them all.
I think this map is already rankable quality. :D
hope this rank soon..!
GL~~! :3
Thanks for your mod Akemi~ :)
@Charlotte: Maybe we can reconsider putting the last note at 01:28:605 - . Putting it on white line seems to be rather late.
iloveyou4ever

Akemi_Homura wrote:

  • [ily4's Muzukashii]
  1. 00:28:972 (1) - how about add finisher~? (burst sound here.)still the vocal sound is low
  2. 00:39:024 ~ 00:44:050 - how about add more note here~? (Futsuu diff has more note here ;w;. If you add some note this part, diff balance is better imo.)I think the current version fits the song the best...
  3. 01:05:254 (150) - move to 01:05:097. and change to k.(It's more follow vocal. and I feel empty this point.)
  4. 01:05:725 (153) - move to 01:06:040.
    So finally, we can make this symmtery pattern like this.
    ^following snare and drum here,and I think it will also make the structure bad
Thanks for modding though :)
Topic Starter
Charlotte

[R] wrote:

yo yoo

[Futsuu]
00:10:691 (14,15) - swap ?? match with vocal & instrument nope.I want to used dd kk pattern.
01:04:626 - change don to give variety with 01:05:882 - I changed next kkd→kdd
01:14:835 - change kat to reflec pattern in 01:15:307 (139,140) - nope.I think still low pitch.
01:23:631 - change don ?? fixed.

[Inner Oni]
00:42:165 - change don, match with vocal fixed.
00:43:108 (75,76) - invert, ^ ^
01:07:767 - change don to emphasize pattern in 01:07:924 - nope.I think k is good.
01:09:888 - change kat ?? I changed kdkkd

that's all from me
go[/color]od luck

_yu68 wrote:

hello~
via in-game.

mod
[General]
  1. BPM191のTiming Pointは目盛りから見て00:27:718 - で引く方が適切なように思います。変更する場合はresnapもしてください。Timmingはまだ保留で!。
  2. Widescreen Supportのチェックを全てのdiffで統一してください。Kantan,Futsuu,Muzukashiiにのみチェックが入っています。fixed.
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:36:511 - change to k? 直前のkから下がっているような雰囲気を感じます。直後のkが表しているハイハットの強調という意味も含めて提案します。fixed.
  2. 01:05:882 - change to d? 1つ前の1/2kkdとの音程差が再生中に気になりました。^
  3. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:657 - ? 基本的にボーカルの音は始点が曖昧であるため、シンプルなリズムを犠牲にしてまで正確に合わせる必要性は無いように思います。
  4. 01:28:579 - move to 01:28:605 - ? ボーカルにより忠実なように聞こえます。上記の提案を適用するならばこちらは無視してください。後者に合わせてみます。
[Inner Oni]
  1. 01:02:270 - change to k? ボーカルのピッチが特に高く聞こえます。
  2. 01:17:113 - change to k? 前のkkdddとの配色被りを避けるとより流れが自然になるように感じます。
  3. 01:28:579 - Futsuuと同様です。

    all fixed.

good luck!

Akemi_Homura wrote:

Haloo~! Charlotte san~ >< sorry for late..
My modding is include personal feeling & suggestion.
Please feel free to ignore, If my modding affect your mapping style. sure.

d = don
D = big don
k = kat
K = big kat

  • [General]
  1. Wide screen.. aww.... already _yu said. =w= fixed.
  2. And I agree _yu's opinion. end note move to 01:28:605 is more fit to vocal imo. fixed.

  • [Futsuu]
  1. 00:28:972 (1) - add finisher~? (burst cymbal sound here.) I think no need strong.
  2. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound.) fixed.
  3. 01:05:882 (111, 112) - swap this~? (01:06:040 has burst sound. and kdk is more fit to express vocal's variation.) I changed kdd
  4. 01:12:951 (134) - how about change to k~? (01:12:951 has tick sound & high bell sound. and I think dkk also emphasize next d k.(vocal variation.))
    fixed.
  5. 01:23:317 (166) - just suggestion. how about move to 01:23:945~? (I feel this break point more express vocal.:3) nope.I prefer now pattern.

  • [Inner Oni]
  1. 00:12:921 - How about add d here~? :3 (Muzu & Oni use d here. but Inner Oni no note this point. maybe we can add d here for better diff balance.) fixed.
  2. 01:26:458 (432) - change to k~? (for better flow with next d.) nope.I think don is good.
  3. 00:59:129 (196) - finisher here please.(same burst sound with 00:49:076.) fixed.
  4. 01:19:233 (370) - add finisher~? and delete 01:19:390.(01:19:390 no special sound. so we can delete this for emphasize finisher.) fixed.
Sorry for poor mod. all diff well mapped, and I enjoyed them all.
I think this map is already rankable quality. :D
hope this rank soon..!
GL~~! :3
Thank you mod :)
Kin

Akemi_Homura wrote:

  • [Kin's Kantan]
  1. 00:00:961 (2) - how about change to k~?((2) vocal & instrument pitch is higher than (1). exactly, I think dkd is best choice for follow pitch, but dkk is acceptable too. becuase (2) and (3) has high pitch both.) I'll go with dkk
  2. 00:07:448 (8, 9) - swap this~? so change to kdk.(same reason with above. vocal & instrument pitch is upward from (8) to (9).) I prefer to keep them as kkd. since 00:06:637 (7,8) - are quite similar ; while 00:08:259 (9) - is different.
  3. 00:36:197 (34) - change to k~? (same drum sound with (33) & (36).) I can understand why, but I prefer to keep it a ddk. It's much simpler, and still flow good.
  4. 00:49:704 (52) - same suggestion here~ :) change to k please.(same reason about pitch. and it's make more consistent kat rhythm. kk k kk.) ye, changed as dkk
  5. 00:56:301 (63, 66) - how about change to d these two notes~?(we can express variation of vocal.) I can also understand why, but I prefer to keep it simple with monocolor
  6. 00:59:129 (68) - How about add finisher too~? (same burst sound with 00:49:076.)
  7. 01:16:406 (95, 98) - same thing. change to d them.
  8. 01:19:233 (100) - add finisher~? (same burst sound with 01:09:181.) both finisher added

  9. It's a just suggetion about 00:54:102 ~ 01:05:411.
    maybe we can make a symmetry structure like this.

    I love your style. but I can't just ignore this chance to make nice structure. :3
    Please feel free to ignore this suggestion.

  10. same suggstion in 01:13:579 ~ 01:24:259.

    we can make same symmetry structure this part.
    I prefer to keep the way it is, since it's really vocal oriented
thanks for your mod!

kantan update
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Surono
>General

so I think, just kin thats not mapped this part bcus he is not weeb lul. okey 01:28:605 (435) - is it necessary to snapped at timing snap or keep like that?

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher
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>Inner Oni
01:02:584 - idk why this kat, just overdone if emphasized. you need contrast between 01:02:427 - this pitch with 01:02:741 - this snare

01:07:767 - you can don it for contrast or 01:07:610 - just don it if you wanted 01:07:767 - emphasized this snare, but I'd like to don that snare bcus you follow vocal right? just like 01:20:333 - here

oriental style vocal? idk but good
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>Oni
01:24:731 - add kat here to keep consistency with 01:24:574 - this sound

01:25:516 - same above if you want

seems the rest section are good well with the song, 01:08:553 - tho I wanted to point out this 7plet to be simple but I realized its emphasized vocal, yeah you already did 01:18:605 - here since theres just drum haha
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>Muzukashii
01:10:437 - 01:15:464 - 01:15:464 - you can kat these for variation, but try to find variation by yourself from half of kiai

yeah I still belive, Muzukashii is perfect diff..doesnt matter who map that
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>Futsuu
01:11:066 - pls kat this ty

01:20:804 - if you want don it for similar level of 01:20:490 - this pitch vocal, "ki" "mi"

01:24:259 - 01:24:574 - swap these then move to 01:23:945 - here, follow vocal then 01:24:574 - this rest section and start 01:24:888 - follow music, makes sense for me

2/1 rest sections are sufficient
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>Kantan
00:25:691 - 00:28:529 - is it okay to not put spinner? bcus ur not weeb right lol

00:38:081 - add here or 00:37:767 - move to 00:37:610 - here, prefer move to the snare as accurate to drum and simple pattern but not complex

00:46:249 - its okay to add don, then 00:47:191 - don too, and 00:47:820 - you had looong rest from here

00:53:474 - weird if you empty here, 00:54:102 - move left then kat. 00:52:846 - 00:53:474 - these vocal or we call that sound from mouth are high range so important to emphasize in there imo

00:59:129 - finish

01:04:155 - ~ 01:07:924 - too simple, 01:05:097 - 01:07:610 - might you want add there notes, see the futsuu density..

01:21:118 - don if you want, reasons same above

01:27:401 - ..............

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iloveyou4ever

Surono wrote:

>General

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher
In my point of view,Kantan is like ''1/1 based'',the gap is so big,that's why it needs finishers for the emphasising purpose.
For Inner Oni,the patterns are so dense there,as the first beat,it needs to be a finisher to play a dominant role,so the patterns can be carried on in a smoother way.
For muzukashii (my difficulty) 00:28:972 - part,reason of not putting the finisher is that I guess you know that I'm mapping the drum instead of vocal(in fact I am trying to mix them,but I follow the drum more).And there's not a really strong drum beat there,it's not really dominant to me I'd say.That's why I didn't put a finisher there.
And 00:39:024 - ,I try to give player a break there as I put 4 1/1 space for player after this point.And you can also hear that the guitar sound for 00:39:024 - and 00:40:280 - are similar.Neither one of them is more dominant than the other one,that's why I also didn't put finisher there.

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>Muzukashii
01:10:437 - 01:15:464 - 01:15:464 - you can kat these for variation, but try to find variation by yourself from half of kiai
There's background drum kick on every 2nd and 4th beats in each bars in the kiai time,eg 01:09:495 - 01:10:280 - 01:10:752 - etc.
That's why I put them all k,and the reason that why I put other notes at d is that I try to emphasize the drum.My mapping style in this difficulty is following the drum,and mix with vocal sometimes.If I change these to kat,it will make the mapping style become inconsistent somehow,and also lose the emphasising effect for this part.I agree that using variation is important.However,in fact I have use variation for the use of triplets,not the patterns(d/k).Like there're more triplets in the kiai time to show the intensity of the music.So I think keeping these d is fine.For consistency of mapping style purpose


yeah I still belive, Muzukashii is perfect diff..doesnt matter who map that
Thanks for modding :)
Nardoxyribonucleic

Surono wrote:

>General

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher They are intentional as the background instrument there is not strong enough for finish.
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>Oni
01:24:731 - add kat here to keep consistency with 01:24:574 - this sound I would prefer focusing on the snare at 01:24:574 and 01:25:359 - as vocal paused for a longer period of time starting from 01:24:259 -

01:25:516 - same above if you want Refer to ^

seems the rest section are good well with the song, 01:08:553 - tho I wanted to point out this 7plet to be simple but I realized its emphasized vocal, yeah you already did 01:18:605 - here since theres just drum haha
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Thanks for your mod Surono~ :)
Topic Starter
Charlotte

Surono wrote:

>General

so I think, just kin thats not mapped this part bcus he is not weeb lul. okey 01:28:605 (435) - is it necessary to snapped at timing snap or keep like that? vocal is here.

00:28:972 - and 00:39:024 - missing finisher or intentionally? this is for futsuu, muzukashii and oni. kantan and inner has finisher I remove fnish (Inner)
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>Inner Oni
01:02:584 - idk why this kat, just overdone if emphasized. you need contrast between 01:02:427 - this pitch with 01:02:741 - this snare

01:07:767 - you can don it for contrast or 01:07:610 - just don it if you wanted 01:07:767 - emphasized this snare, but I'd like to don that snare bcus you follow vocal right? just like 01:20:333 - here

both vocal is high sound. I prefer k k k pattern

oriental style vocal? idk but good
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>Futsuu
01:11:066 - pls kat this ty fixed.

01:20:804 - if you want don it for similar level of 01:20:490 - this pitch vocal, "ki" "mi" I think d k k is good.(high)

01:24:259 - 01:24:574 - swap these then move to 01:23:945 - here, follow vocal then 01:24:574 - this rest section and start 01:24:888 - follow music, makes sense for me yes,vocal is more good.but,pattern is long & 01:24:574 - here is follow the inst.so no change.

2/1 rest sections are sufficient
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Thank you mod :)
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