LiSA - Catch the Moment -Radio Edit ver.-

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Monstrata
Ultra

00:12:547 (1,3) - These shapes could be more relatable for better visual consistency.
00:32:758 (6,1) - Stacking isn't a good idea cuz of the downbeat losing emphasis xP.
00:47:126 (2,3,1,2,3) - These aren't following a layer in particular. You can click on each circle and its following something, but theyre all following some different instrument. Pick a rhythm and stick with it here, this is too ambiguous and its also rather dense for the section.
00:49:337 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Also sounds overmapped to me... why all the clicks? You could have integrated more 1/2 slider rhythms here.
00:51:863 - Makes a lot more sense to transition to 1/2 clicking rhythm after this point,.
00:56:916 (1,2) - This is overmapped. Refer to how you do 00:58:179 (1) - 00:59:442 (1) - etc...
01:06:389 (1,2,3,4,1) - Can be better expressed through 1/2 sliders really. The 1/2 clicks on red ticks aren't necessary imo.
01:18:074 (3,2) - Visually, this pattern just looks really poor imo...
01:27:231 - Musical shift here. Instruments become softer and less frequent. You could reduce SV here or maybe remove kiai or something.
01:46:810 (2) - Such a fast slider. You could have reduced SV here xP

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Well, like I mentioned in chat. I think the kiai is just not a good design choice. The messy slider patterns and lack of consistent structure really cause the map to look kind of broken. I mean, compare the kiai to the intro where you use very solid structure too. This is too out there imo. The song doesn't require design elements like this. It's probably rankable, but it's not something I personally can support since the song itself is quite consistent and doesn't need chaotic slider patterns.

Good luck with this set anyways. I guess you can treat this as a free mod.
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and

Monstrata wrote:

Ultra

00:12:547 (1,3) - These shapes could be more relatable for better visual consistency. :arrow: not for visual consistency anyways...
00:32:758 (6,1) - Stacking isn't a good idea cuz of the downbeat losing emphasis xP. :arrow: stop on the vocal beat for the emphasis
00:47:126 (2,3,1,2,3) - These aren't following a layer in particular. You can click on each circle and its following something, but theyre all following some different instrument. Pick a rhythm and stick with it here, this is too ambiguous and its also rather dense for the section. :arrow: it is not too dense though....
00:49:337 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Also sounds overmapped to me... why all the clicks? You could have integrated more 1/2 slider rhythms here. :arrow: the spacing and stacking make them not that hard, and i really think clicks are not really harder than sliders at this speed for this diff. Will change if more people have the same problem.
00:51:863 - Makes a lot more sense to transition to 1/2 clicking rhythm after this point,.
00:56:916 (1,2) - This is overmapped. Refer to how you do 00:58:179 (1) - 00:59:442 (1) - etc...
01:06:389 (1,2,3,4,1) - Can be better expressed through 1/2 sliders really. The 1/2 clicks on red ticks aren't necessary imo.
01:18:074 (3,2) - Visually, this pattern just looks really poor imo...
:arrow: well this has to do with my overall design, as I explained in irc, I will leave it for now because that is how i present the flow change.
01:27:231 - Musical shift here. Instruments become softer and less frequent. You could reduce SV here or maybe remove kiai or something. :arrow: if another person got the same problem, I will fix this
01:46:810 (2) - Such a fast slider. You could have reduced SV here xP

[]

Well, like I mentioned in chat. I think the kiai is just not a good design choice. The messy slider patterns and lack of consistent structure really cause the map to look kind of broken. I mean, compare the kiai to the intro where you use very solid structure too. This is too out there imo. The song doesn't require design elements like this. It's probably rankable, but it's not something I personally can support since the song itself is quite consistent and doesn't need chaotic slider patterns.

Good luck with this set anyways. I guess you can treat this as a free mod.
all sliders are designed well to my standard though... i guess i will remember that you do not like this type of diff...

ok we are going for plan B..... hope we could get this ranked soon....
Garden
为啥我感觉自己经常摊上很多很多diff的图 :(

General
  1. Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: normal-hitfinish.wav soft-hitnormal98.wav
    那个finish貌似蛮明显的和whistle一起加的时候(?


Kisses
  1. 00:50:284 (2) - a bit too much overlap with hp bar
  2. 01:47:442 (1,2) - etc. i feel rhythm here unintuitive for beginners to read, i suggest following the main melody like you did to 00:11:442 - section


F
  1. 00:15:863 (2) - 这个finish在尾巴上听上去有点怪,考虑换成1/2滑条+圈
  2. 00:58:810 (4) - 碰血条有点多可以放下来点
  3. 01:17:126 (1,2) - 这里节奏比较密,把2放1下面感觉读起来比较清楚
  4. 01:52:495 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - https://puu.sh/uPLXm/c067623f1f.png 有点难.. 主要跟重音简化一下吧?


Doormat
  1. od6 is fairly enough imo and hyper can then use sth between hard & insane
  2. 00:54:389 (1,5,6) - with current stack leniency the stack here looks bad visually https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7602997, maybe convert 56 into a slider so the pattern would look clean and the rhythm isnt simplified too much either


Hyper
  1. od6.5 for neat diffspread
  2. 00:41:442 (3) - 音效不同,把这个unstack了好像比较有感觉
  3. 01:13:810 (2,3) - 01:13:968 - 这里也不是很强,原地stack接这样的flow感觉不合适,我建议这部分大概这样整体调一下 -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7603051
  4. 01:22:495 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7603066 比较合你这段整体用于1,2的flow
  5. 01:27:863 (4,5) - 我觉得削一点间距比较好,圈圈跳其他地方也没放这么大的


Moecho
  1. 00:08:916 (1) - 这里感觉用个默认的softwhistle点一下效果会不错
  2. 00:16:179 (3) - burai目前还是unrankable的来着
  3. 00:18:705 (6,7,1) - 微调一下7,1位置让这边包得和 00:18:389 (4,5,6) - 视觉距离差不多? 个人认为这样这个梗看上去更有整体感(欸就是和 01:54:705 (2,3,1) - 一样,为什么复制段落这里是不一样的.. NC也不一样)
  4. 00:19:652 (4,5) - 我觉得可以调整下节奏突出这个音 -> 00:19:810 - 毕竟前面整体上都在跟主旋律,最后一段同
  5. 00:20:126 - 这里出kiai比较好? 和你最后一段一样
  6. 00:44:284 (1,2,1) - 滑条尾巴drum sample?
  7. 01:18:389 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 为什么这里节奏处理得和kiai其他部分很不一样啊.. 忽然一堆圈儿


Another
  1. 01:08:284 (1) - 用01:07:021 (1) - ctrl-h的形状? 这里overlap我看着感觉不太舒服
  2. 01:52:021 (2) - 我觉得这个换圈比较好因为音效和 01:51:863 - 不一样,虽然打起来是基本没差


Lami
  1. 01:30:389 (5,6) - maybe decrease the spacing between them so 01:29:758 (1,2) - 01:30:074 (3,4) - 01:30:389 (5,6) - can have gradually decreasing spacing which fits the lowering vocal pitch
  2. 01:52:495 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - imo it should be 3 circles for each new combo setting according to hitsounding and music


Ultra
  1. 为啥od比extra低,难道已经给score v2滑条图做好准备了
  2. 00:15:547 (2) - 除非有摆梗这种连续两个1/2滑条表示一样的节奏希望弧度上有点consistency
  3. 00:18:389 (1,2,3,4,1) - 这五连好像有点缺少弧度,和前面那组比起来
  4. 00:24:389 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - 不 这不几何 可以调下前后stack的物件弄成比较整的三角,应该不是很麻烦
  5. 00:31:337 - softclap或者normal sample那种音效更合曲点
  6. 00:34:652 (3) - 虽然横过来最顺手但没地方放了.. 我觉得用前面3/4一样的弧度平行放比较美观
  7. 00:42:074 (3) - 这个也是,和 00:41:600 (1,4) - 一起看起来很不协调
  8. 00:49:021 (3) - ^
  9. 00:56:284 (1) - 这个用drum whistle好像效果更好,和后面几个不太一样
  10. 01:15:863 (3,4) - 这里节奏下的没有区分度,我觉得可以主要跟主旋律的这三个音 01:15:547 - 01:15:705 - 01:15:863 - ,用这个节奏-> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7605291,就是要调整一下梗
  11. 01:22:179 (1,2) - 这种将就着要overlap的就摆摆清楚到底碰不碰.. 强迫症
  12. 01:27:705 - drumwhistle? 后面好像也有一些适合这个音效, clap有点显得太轻的地方
  13. 01:36:863 (1,2,3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7605325 从3直的下来还是直的感觉别手
  14. 01:43:179 (1,2) - nc倒过来? 我感觉不管跟vocal还是跳梗本身感觉都应该那样加啊
  15. 01:51:389 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这个弧度接前面的flow想打人.. 而且音乐本身这样导致这个五连出现得很突兀,如果能改得顺点就好啦


I personally can agree with the chaotic slider usage for kiai section in Ultra diff. It's consistent there, plays fine from my perspective and kinda give me a feeling of adventuring, somehow fits the theme imo. hey tho the background image doesnt seem to suggest so lo l
Flask
全fix啦

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Topic Starter
Shad0w1and

Garden wrote:

为啥我感觉自己经常摊上很多很多diff的图 :(

General
  1. Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: normal-hitfinish.wav soft-hitnormal98.wav
    那个finish貌似蛮明显的和whistle一起加的时候(?
    :arrow: the finish should be fine, it is osu default finish mixed with other, consider its usage i think osu has this delay with intenton


Hyper
  1. od6.5 for neat diffspread
  2. 00:41:442 (3) - 音效不同,把这个unstack了好像比较有感觉 :arrow: 感觉那样反而难打了,要不然全部拆开要不全部叠上我觉得才比较好打
  3. 01:13:810 (2,3) - 01:13:968 - 这里也不是很强,原地stack接这样的flow感觉不合适,我建议这部分大概这样整体调一下 -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7603051 :arrow: 这里主要是后面是一个全场高潮跳,要是没有一个build up的难度我感觉到时候太突兀,目前这样我觉得比较适合我作图的理念
  4. 01:22:495 (2) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7603066 比较合你这段整体用于1,2的flow
  5. 01:27:863 (4,5) - 我觉得削一点间距比较好,圈圈跳其他地方也没放这么大的 :arrow: 1.6x降到1.4x感觉应该好多了


Another
  1. 01:08:284 (1) - 用01:07:021 (1) - ctrl-h的形状? 这里overlap我看着感觉不太舒服
  2. 01:52:021 (2) - 我觉得这个换圈比较好因为音效和 01:51:863 - 不一样,虽然打起来是基本没差 :arrow: 为了排版好看就保持了xc


Ultra
  1. 为啥od比extra低,难道已经给score v2滑条图做好准备了 :arrow: ultra我其实并不是为了PP做的...只是我自己喜欢搞高星自我满足,od这里主要是考虑到相比Extra,kiai高速滑条多了太多,加上spaced stream怀疑很多人会路人断,本来我想弄到8.5,考虑了test player的意见才改成了8.8,我觉得高od并不能带来打图体验的提升,od适合图风最好。之前od8.5 Beafowl都路人断在了滑条上,所以我怀疑这图难点就是要保证滑条不断给低od
  2. 00:15:547 (2) - 除非有摆梗这种连续两个1/2滑条表示一样的节奏希望弧度上有点consistency :arrow: 我感觉不知道是我审美畸形还是什么,我觉得consistency的滑条丑爆。。。所以你基本看不到我两个滑条一样的形状走向,除非刻意摆图形的时候。要是你一定要我改我可以改,但是我觉得那样真的更难看。。。
  3. 00:18:389 (1,2,3,4,1) - 这五连好像有点缺少弧度,和前面那组比起来 :arrow: 前面那一组的音是钢琴,后面是鼓点,而且也不用刻意追求一样吧xc,我的审美比较倾向于uneven的不规则流,不论是作图还是艺术
  4. 00:24:389 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - 不 这不几何 可以调下前后stack的物件弄成比较整的三角,应该不是很麻烦
  5. 00:31:337 - softclap或者normal sample那种音效更合曲点 :arrow: 这里怕音效给重了,所以目前这个不会很重的我挺喜欢
  6. 00:34:652 (3) - 虽然横过来最顺手但没地方放了.. 我觉得用前面3/4一样的弧度平行放比较美观 :arrow: 所以还是审美问题xc我觉得现在这样挺好,后面几个审美问题我也不太想改
  7. 00:42:074 (3) - 这个也是,和 00:41:600 (1,4) - 一起看起来很不协调
  8. 00:49:021 (3) - ^
  9. 00:56:284 (1) - 这个用drum whistle好像效果更好,和后面几个不太一样
  10. 01:15:863 (3,4) - 这里节奏下的没有区分度,我觉得可以主要跟主旋律的这三个音 01:15:547 - 01:15:705 - 01:15:863 - ,用这个节奏-> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7605291,就是要调整一下梗 :arrow: 你觉得一定要改我觉得可以改,但是目前的梗我挺喜欢的,可以的话最好保留
  11. 01:22:179 (1,2) - 这种将就着要overlap的就摆摆清楚到底碰不碰.. 强迫症
  12. 01:27:705 - drumwhistle? 后面好像也有一些适合这个音效, clap有点显得太轻的地方 :arrow: 我仔细听了我所有音效,没有能适合这个音的。。因为仔细听这一段每个音都不一样,为了不犯错还是用安全一点的n clap算了
  13. 01:36:863 (1,2,3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7605325 从3直的下来还是直的感觉别手
  14. 01:43:179 (1,2) - nc倒过来? 我感觉不管跟vocal还是跳梗本身感觉都应该那样加啊
  15. 01:51:389 (1,2,3,4,5) - 这个弧度接前面的flow想打人.. 而且音乐本身这样导致这个五连出现得很突兀,如果能改得顺点就好啦 :arrow: 之前你irc说的时候我已经改了平了,那我再多改平一点


I personally can agree with the chaotic slider usage for kiai section in Ultra diff. It's consistent there, plays fine from my perspective and kinda give me a feeling of adventuring, somehow fits the theme imo. hey tho the background image doesnt seem to suggest so lo l
关于BG,因为现在有yuna的BG只有比基尼这一张,所以我觉得挺有必要的 8-)
Doormat
@Garden, i lowered OD to 6 and changed the (5,6) to a slider. thanks for the mod :3

https://drmt.s-ul.eu/hnwmkwQa
Lami
1 point : reduced
2 point : i think it followed other sound which i think more important, same with 00:16:495 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - .
and i copied hitsound from highest diff >_>

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Fixed a couple of things from other ppl's mods

@garden overlap is ok imo, fixed rhythm
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and
Moecho
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Garden wrote:

为啥我感觉自己经常摊上很多很多diff的图 :(

General
  1. Wave hitsounds with possible delay > 5ms: normal-hitfinish.wav soft-hitnormal98.wav
    那个finish貌似蛮明显的和whistle一起加的时候(?


Moecho
  1. 00:08:916 (1) - 这里感觉用个默认的softwhistle点一下效果会不错 行的
  2. 00:16:179 (3) - burai目前还是unrankable的来着 你摸圖之前忘記更新了,這個已經改好,我忘記之前那個什麼樣子了... 感覺應該沒有做burai吧 總之不是故意的
  3. 00:18:705 (6,7,1) - 微调一下7,1位置让这边包得和 00:18:389 (4,5,6) - 视觉距离差不多? 个人认为这样这个梗看上去更有整体感(欸就是和 01:54:705 (2,3,1) - 一样,为什么复制段落这里是不一样的.. NC也不一样)後面的NC可能不小心點到了 謝謝,然後Blanket我實在不覺得有什麼問題,主要是你開了Stack之後就根本是動1px的節奏... 我調整了一下4的位置,包了5的尾巴
  4. 00:19:652 (4,5) - 我觉得可以调整下节奏突出这个音 -> 00:19:810 - 毕竟前面整体上都在跟主旋律,最后一段同 有點難修改,這裡不好分了 之前想好的現在修改很難,interesting不過目前應該不會改了
  5. 00:20:126 - 这里出kiai比较好? 和你最后一段一样 我後面這段也之前改了一下 沒更新,不是很懂你現在說的,不過修改了一下,現在應該效果蠻好的了
  6. 00:44:284 (1,2,1) - 滑条尾巴drum sample? 好的
  7. 01:18:389 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 为什么这里节奏处理得和kiai其他部分很不一样啊.. 忽然一堆圈儿 歌裡面就是這樣子compose的節奏,仔細聽bass
HS是从Caramel Heaven拿的,根据测试,你砍掉波峰后面那一块对音效没影响,但是砍掉前面那一块反而音效没对了,应该是波峰没有反应实际听觉。。。这个音效没有delay,1ms也没有
jonathanlfj
[Kisses' Novice]
00:08:916 (1) - whistle?
00:50:284 (2) - this significantly overlaps the hp bar, you should lower it
01:52:495 (1) - this should end at 01:52:968 based on where the drums land

[Flask's Advanced]
00:24:074 (1) - the end of this slider overlaps the progress bar and score display, consider lowering it a bit
00:30:074 (1) - a bit Nazi but this is not symmetrical; you can build it on the y-axis then just rotate it slightly clockwise
00:56:284 (1) - feels more impactful as a 1/2 repeat slider imo
01:07:021 (4) - NC here instead of 01:07:337 (1); refer to 01:09:547 (1)
01:29:126 (4) - generally overlaps that cover more than half of the hitcircle is discouraged in a lower difficulty like this, you should adjust it so it overlaps similar to 00:21:547 (1)
01:42:389 (1,2) - should try to follow vocals here which is a much more dominant layer: https://puu.sh/uSs7a.jpg
01:53:442 (3) - the sequence of 1/2 is quite long here so you can separate it by making this a circle

[Doormat's Hard]
00:40:337 (1) - a more natural flow for this is to stack it on top of 00:39:863 (3), but the patterns after are gonna have to be adjusted to up to you
otherwise a very consistent map, nothing much to say

[Hyper]
00:18:389 (1) - remove NC, don't see why its needed here
00:19:495 (1) - ^
01:14:600 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what a difficulty spike for a Hyper, consider toning down the jumps a bit
01:17:758 (3,4,5) - not stacked properly
01:51:389 (1) - instead of multiple repeats, having a triplet + single repeat slider works better here to complement the piano layer at the beginning

[Moecho's Insane]
hitsound in the beginning is too loud, something under 50% would be nicer
00:50:284 (1) - I understand you want to keep the visual symmetry here, but having a strong beat land on a slider end is really affecting the quality of gameplay here. You can consider a 3/4 slider followed by a circle at 00:50:916
01:27:705 (3) - again, a better approach here is to remove the repeat and have a circle for 01:27:863 since a strong vocal sound lands there
01:38:442 (3) - based on how you mapped out this section this should be a 1/4 slider as well
01:43:416 (1) - soft sample
01:55:652 (4) - should be two separate 1/4 sliders so the guitar at 01:55:802 is covered by a click action

[Another]
00:18:231 (4) - if you curve this a bit to the left it will flow more naturally on the stacked stream
00:41:126 (1,1,1) - quite difficult to read given the overall difficulty of this map, you should follow distance snap more proportionally here as I got confused the first time trying this. Also silencing the slider ends (including 00:42:863 (1)) would help a lot
01:31:337 (3,4,5,6) - this part flowed a bit weird, a more natural movement would have 01:31:652 (4) somewhere like the start of 01:32:284 (1)

[Lami's Extra]
00:16:021 (4,5,6) - I expect some sort of movement here due to the way the piano just goes phewwww, perhaps you can unstack it and create some form of linear flow
00:56:600 (5) - tbh a faster SV here will work wonders as it contrasts nicely with the compressed stream before
01:49:021 (3,5) - a blanket here would be nice

[Ultra]
how did I pass this on a sight read lmao
00:19:337 (3,4,5) - angle is a bit weird to play, having the circles a bit to the right feels better
00:31:179 (1,1,1) - I don't see the need for NC spam here, there are no SV changes and no other patterns are like this
00:40:179 (3) - this is a very minor beat, so based on the way spacing works to convey intensity, should be stacked under 00:40:179 (3)
00:56:916 (1) - now the kiai is fine with the 1/4 sliders on my end, but they only work well if you silence the slider ends (e.g. 20% volume) so the audio feedback is accurate to the music. May take some work but I can guarantee it will make the map much more fitting to the song
01:56:891 (1,2,3,1) - the straight line is nice, but I expected a larger spacing here considering it being the finale of the map

ok pm me after you fix stuff I guess
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and

jonathanlfj wrote:

[Hyper]
00:18:389 (1) - remove NC, don't see why its needed here :arrow: 00:18:705 - deleted the NC on 00:18:705 - instead
00:19:495 (1) - ^
01:14:600 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - what a difficulty spike for a Hyper, consider toning down the jumps a bit :arrow: Hyper to me is light insane, Another is light extra xc... I think it should be acceptable xc, I got Hard anyways xc
01:17:758 (3,4,5) - not stacked properly
01:51:389 (1) - instead of multiple repeats, having a triplet + single repeat slider works better here to complement the piano layer at the beginning :arrow: I feel it is a over kill for this diff(or maybe just I am too weak tho xc)

[Another]
00:18:231 (4) - if you curve this a bit to the left it will flow more naturally on the stacked stream :arrow: I actually think curve to the left will break the flow from previous pattern, so I instead changed the angle of 00:18:389 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - to make them catch the flow better
00:41:126 (1,1,1) - quite difficult to read given the overall difficulty of this map, you should follow distance snap more proportionally here as I got confused the first time trying this. Also silencing the slider ends (including 00:42:863 (1)) would help a lot :arrow: did not change the slider ends tho, because I think the crash is strong enough to overwrite the feedback from the slider tail(I do not like to silent slider end anyways unless I have to)
01:31:337 (3,4,5,6) - this part flowed a bit weird, a more natural movement would have 01:31:652 (4) somewhere like the start of 01:32:284 (1)

[Ultra]
how did I pass this on a sight read lmao
00:19:337 (3,4,5) - angle is a bit weird to play, having the circles a bit to the right feels better :arrow: due to the track switch (guitar-drum), I would like to keep the current flow cut idea, I think this should give a flow hint to the player
00:31:179 (1,1,1) - I don't see the need for NC spam here, there are no SV changes and no other patterns are like this
00:40:179 (3) - this is a very minor beat, so based on the way spacing works to convey intensity, should be stacked under 00:40:179 (3) :arrow: I would like to be consistent because in my previous patterns, I highlighted vocal beat, regardless of the drum intensity(stop is another type of emphasis as well), 00:38:442 (3) - 00:39:074 (6) -
00:56:916 (1) - now the kiai is fine with the 1/4 sliders on my end, but they only work well if you silence the slider ends (e.g. 20% volume) so the audio feedback is accurate to the music. May take some work but I can guarantee it will make the map much more fitting to the song :arrow: I am unsure about this, because I placed additions on every slider head for additional feedback, the default soft-hitnormal should not be much distracting at this volume. I played this diff with HT and the default volume does not distract me :? I think it should be fine tho xc
01:56:891 (1,2,3,1) - the straight line is nice, but I expected a larger spacing here considering it being the finale of the map

ok pm me after you fix stuff I guess
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and

jonathanlfj wrote:

[Flask's Advanced]
00:24:074 (1) - the end of this slider overlaps the progress bar and score display, consider lowering it a bit
00:30:074 (1) - a bit Nazi but this is not symmetrical; you can build it on the y-axis then just rotate it slightly clockwise
00:56:284 (1) - feels more impactful as a 1/2 repeat slider imo :arrow: I personally prefer the current so it treat the red beat and blue beats the same
01:07:021 (4) - NC here instead of 01:07:337 (1); refer to 01:09:547 (1)
01:29:126 (4) - generally overlaps that cover more than half of the hitcircle is discouraged in a lower difficulty like this, you should adjust it so it overlaps similar to 00:21:547 (1)
01:42:389 (1,2) - should try to follow vocals here which is a much more dominant layer: https://puu.sh/uSs7a.jpg
01:53:442 (3) - the sequence of 1/2 is quite long here so you can separate it by making this a circle :arrow: current is ok I think, leave that beat empty makes me sick xccccc
fixed flask's diff for him as he requested.
Doormat
@lfj i stacked 00:40:337 (1) - on top of 00:39:863 (3) - like you suggested, and adjusted the following patterns. thanks for the mod!

https://drmt.s-ul.eu/pM1uWjnB
Lami
fixed all, ty mod
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KittyAdventure
Metadata? Because i can't found a correct site :c
and maybe you can remove "-" from tags :>
Doormat

KittyAdventure wrote:

Metadata? Because i can't found a correct site :c
and maybe you can remove "-" from tags :>
you gotta learn to search more indepth :p

劇場版 ソードアート・オンライン -オーディナル・スケール- from http://sao-movie.net/sp/music/
_handholding

jonathanlfj wrote:

[Kisses' Novice]
00:08:916 (1) - whistle?
00:50:284 (2) - this significantly overlaps the hp bar, you should lower it
01:52:495 (1) - this should end at 01:52:968 based on where the drums land At first I was following the drum beat for the whole section but Garden told me to change it since a lot of 3/2 gaps are intuitive so he told me to change it to the same rhythm as the first part of the song. I think it'd be a bit stupid to follow this specific drum beat when i've omitted a lot already from the section and it wil break away from the current rhythm used
fixed other 2!
osu file format v14

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Title:Catch the Moment -Radio Edit ver.-
TitleUnicode:Catch the Moment -Radio Edit ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:Shad0w1and
Version:Kisses' Novice
Source:劇場版 ソードアート・オンライン -オーディナル・スケール-
Tags:SWORD ART ONLINE The Movie - Ordinal Scale - SAO Lami intoon Kawaiwkyik Rizia Moecho Moeri Doormat Flask Kisses
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Topic Starter
Shad0w1and
Moecho

jonathanlfj wrote:

[Moecho's Insane]
hitsound in the beginning is too loud, something under 50% would be nicer Alright, 60%->50%
00:50:284 (1) - I understand you want to keep the visual symmetry here, but having a strong beat land on a slider end is really affecting the quality of gameplay here. You can consider a 3/4 slider followed by a circle at 00:50:916 I don't feel like it is affecting much, no change
01:27:705 (3) - again, a better approach here is to remove the repeat and have a circle for 01:27:863 since a strong vocal sound lands there Also I think it's fine here too, changing would be hard to adjust placement
01:38:442 (3) - based on how you mapped out this section this should be a 1/4 slider as well Nope, listen carefully to when it's slider and when it's not slider, it's a huge difference
01:43:416 (1) - soft sample OK ouo
01:55:652 (4) - should be two separate 1/4 sliders so the guitar at 01:55:802 is covered by a click action Did a major change to that, replaced with circles, since adding kickslider to make it both clickable AND for the aesthetics would be hard without a proper space, which in this case is very crowded. As well as I want to keep the SR at 4.60
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and
[Some Discussion about the set]
  1. In Novice, spinner end at 02:00:049 - to make it easier for new player, although it is not 100% accurately snapped,
    we believe it is good enough for this diff.
  2. The two HS normal-hitfinish.wav soft-hitnormal98.wav does not really have a delay, its sound peak does not matter. Because if we cut their peak it is still audible.
  3. This mp3 is the official radio cut ver, so the file was cut officially without the concern of bpm section and got a error at the end,
    I have to add two red lines to fix the timing.
  4. For Another diff I did 80% of the work, so I would not call this diff as a collab or smt similar.
  5. For metadata, this is the offical radio edit ver. metadata:
jonathanlfj
The 1/4s sounded messy mostly because I was modding with speakers (forgot my headphones at home and I'm out traveling for work), perhaps they are more acceptable with headphones...

I will take your word for the hitsounds as I've seen similar things in the past (refer to Charles445's discussion about where the attack of a hitsound is introduced)
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