1. Hitsounds are very lacking and not well representative of the song's structure - you've almost only used clap hitsounds when there is a lot of drum usage in the song. The hitsounds you used portray a completely different sound than what is heard in the music, which is unfortunate and I think you can go a lot more in depth to optimize the player experience.
   
2. 00:20:212 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1) - The music shows a clear decrease in the drum pitch, but you mapped this in doubles as if the claps have the same intensity. You've also used only clap hitsounds while the song indicates that there is percussion/drums. These things are misleading for the player.
   
3. 00:21:212 (1,2) - vs 00:22:212 (1,2) - - momentum hold vs super fast sliders? How exactly is the player supposed to interpret these vocals?
   
4. 00:32:837 (4,5,6) - Again - drums lowering in pitch but there are only clap hitsounds.
   
5. 00:43:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - Streams like these are too overbearing - due to their fast pacing because of the song's bpm, you don't need to space them too much - they end up feeling disproportionate to the rest of the map. These appear a lot, I reckon you know which ones I'm talking about.
   
6. 01:10:212 (1,2,3,4) - This part of the map suddenly feels really underwhelming spacing wise due to your otherwise huge spacing. This part of the song is very intense and uses the least spacing?
   
7. 01:19:587 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - Similar to the stream issue I've pointed out before, this one does this to an even larger extent, the drums fade away gradually but it's almost a fully spaced stream at 240 bpm. It feels really overdone in its current state.
   
8. The ''in between'' notes like 00:58:212 (1,2) - , 00:58:712 (4,5) - , 01:00:962 (5,6) - , 01:03:712 (3,4) - and a lot of others feel very overspaced since it seems you are mainly emphasizing vocals. Due to the spacing you've used on these notes, the differentiation between strong vocal notes and 'in between' notes is hard to make at this point. Perhaps tone these kind of patterns down so there is more of a clear differentiation?

Voli wrote:

Hey. noticed this map was up again, it's qualified already but I still don't think it's ready for nomination. I've pointed out the biggest issues I have with the map below for your consideration.

Wrath of God

1. Hitsounds are very lacking and not well representative of the song's structure - you've almost only used clap hitsounds when there is a lot of drum usage in the song. The hitsounds you used portray a completely different sound than what is heard in the music, which is unfortunate and I think you can go a lot more in depth to optimize the player experience. i've said it before and i'll say it now, i am personally satisfied with my hitsounds. i think they fit the song fine, and like natsu said there's nothing wrong with simple hitsounds. and it's not like i just put clap spam on everything, the way i used the hitsound changes between sections which provides a similar effect imo.
   
2. 00:20:212 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3,1) - The music shows a clear decrease in the drum pitch, but you mapped this in doubles as if the claps have the same intensity. You've also used only clap hitsounds while the song indicates that there is percussion/drums. These things are misleading for the player. i disagree, i think hitsound variation here would have very little influence on gameplay. and as far as mapping the drums the way i did, it provides a contrast in difficulty to the rest of the section immediately leading into something calm. i do this a lot.
   
3. 00:21:212 (1,2) - vs 00:22:212 (1,2) - - momentum hold vs super fast sliders? How exactly is the player supposed to interpret these vocals? there's no rule that i have to do everything the exact same. i'm actually quite sick of having to defend myself by using this point
   
4. 00:32:837 (4,5,6) - Again - drums lowering in pitch but there are only clap hitsounds. sure the drums might be lowering in pitch, however i feel like the more aim heavy patterning and increased use of the hitsounds provides a contrast leading into the next section. The hitsounds become more sparse, the sliders slower, and the rhythm less dense.
   
5. 00:43:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - Streams like these are too overbearing - due to their fast pacing because of the song's bpm, you don't need to space them too much - they end up feeling disproportionate to the rest of the map. These appear a lot, I reckon you know which ones I'm talking about. that's your own personal opinion, i think they're fine as is.
   
6. 01:10:212 (1,2,3,4) - This part of the map suddenly feels really underwhelming spacing wise due to your otherwise huge spacing. This part of the song is very intense and uses the least spacing? this part is winding down for the calm part between kiais. is that like actually a difficult thing to understand?
   
7. 01:19:587 (3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - Similar to the stream issue I've pointed out before, this one does this to an even larger extent, the drums fade away gradually but it's almost a fully spaced stream at 240 bpm. It feels really overdone in its current state. the difficulty comes through movement around this section, at the end where the drums are calming down the stream is just a straight line into a slow slider. i've had multiple playtests on this map and nobody ever complained about that part feeling unfitting or unfair. it plays fine, i like how it looks, and it fits the music.
   
8. The ''in between'' notes like 00:58:212 (1,2) - , 00:58:712 (4,5) - , 01:00:962 (5,6) - , 01:03:712 (3,4) - and a lot of others feel very overspaced since it seems you are mainly emphasizing vocals. Due to the spacing you've used on these notes, the differentiation between strong vocal notes and 'in between' notes is hard to make at this point. Perhaps tone these kind of patterns down so there is more of a clear differentiation? this would have barely any effect on gameplay, the entire kiai is difficult. if i nerfed jumps randomly it would just feel and look awkward to me.

Hula wrote:

Just saying guys. This map needs to be re ranked at the very least.

00:29:212 (1) - Missing clap on end of slider. literally no it's not. 00:25:212 (1) - compare

That's on a quick glance.

Maybe when we bubble we should check HS? Hitsounds are half of the playing experience of a map.

edit:

00:35:337 (2) - why is this a clap? This isn't right and doesn't follow a rhythm I can notice in your hitsounding. i used the same hitsounds in varying ways between sections. this is something i grew to like and really don't plan on changing

Logic Agent wrote:

Voli wrote:

Hey. noticed this map was up again, it's qualified already but I still don't think it's ready for nomination. I've pointed out the biggest issues I have with the map below for your consideration.

Wrath of God

1. Hitsounds are very lacking and not well representative of the song's structure - you've almost only used clap hitsounds when there is a lot of drum usage in the song. The hitsounds you used portray a completely different sound than what is heard in the music, which is unfortunate and I think you can go a lot more in depth to optimize the player experience. i've said it before and i'll say it now, i am personally satisfied with my hitsounds. i think they fit the song fine, and like natsu said there's nothing wrong with simple hitsounds. and it's not like i just put clap spam on everything, the way i used the hitsound changes between sections which provides a similar effect imo.

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

"Personally satisfied" isn't enough and should never be a reason to deny valid points it definitely is enough because i make maps for myself to enjoy, and don't care too much about the opinions of others.

1. 00:05:212 - This entire section you should add a drum sample set to every white tick to hitsound the kick drum in the background, as it is now the normal sampleset on its own provides no sort of support to the song no thank you
   
2. 00:08:712 - No sort of hitsounds for a very big change in music i don't see this as a very big change in music
   
3. 00:09:212 - Again, add drum samplesets to each white tick so it, yknow, actually reflects the music no thank you
   
4. 00:10:212 (1) - No cymbal sound here, no reason for a finish are you actually listening to what the hitsounds are doing or just saying "the song does this so you have to do this"
   
5. 00:10:962 (4) - Cymbal sound here, reason for a finish guess i answered my own question
   
6. 00:12:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - Overmapped completely, and there is no cymbal sound on 00:12:212 (1,5) - and no clap sound on 00:12:462 (3) - im literally not even getting into this again
   
7. 00:12:962 (5) - Cymbal sound here, reason for a finish again same as earlier
   
8. 00:23:212 (1,2) - Ok what, idk if you ctrl + g'd and forgot to switch back the hitsounds but these should be switched, dunno how this was overlooked again it seems like you can't recognize patterns and changes within the hitsounds themselves and compare them to the hitsounds around them

Personally satisfied" isn't enough and should never be a reason to deny valid points it definitely is enough because i make maps for myself to enjoy, and don't care too much about the opinions of others.

Irreversible wrote:

Hello, I'll take this map down for now. I've read the thread and I do see a lot of clashing opinions, which is fine. What I believe, however, is not okay is that there is no try from your side to find a compromise - and seeing how many people stated their opinion about your map, there is something about it (try to see it from this perspective?).

Personally satisfied" isn't enough and should never be a reason to deny valid points it definitely is enough because i make maps for myself to enjoy, and don't care too much about the opinions of others.

To this point I'd just like to add that having a map ranked isn't a privilege and it will never be.. Just denying it because saying "it's how I want it" is lackluster.

To conclude, I'm taking this down so you guys can find a consensus concerning the hitsounds. I hope that from both parties can be found a middleground, because I do think that is the way to go here - keeping it simple is one thing, just keeping it for the sake of it is another one. As I've read through the points risen up as well as the explanations behind them, I want to second those points and not bring up further ones, since they basically cover what I would say about this map.

I'm looking forward to push this map further once there is a compromise, but for now, I believe it should belong into the pending section as there is too much discussion on going (and let me just remember you guys, experiencing a disqualification isn't something horrible)

pkhg wrote:

as a example, i highly disagree with this map hitsounding https://osu.ppy.sh/s/471344 its really bad both how he used the samples and the samples itself yet no one said anything about hitsounding and its ranked. if u compare both maps logics hitsounding represents the song way better

Mun wrote:

it will never end
the fact that LA is denying mods on the basis of "no thank you" really doesn't help

Irreversible wrote:

To conclude, I'm taking this down so you guys can find a consensus concerning the hitsounds.

Net0 wrote:

Yeah, so you wanted some suggestions to improve the hitsounding. There's nothing wrong with the current hitsound, but I'll point some stuff that "I" personally think that can improve your map.

[Hitsounding]

1. 00:12:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - I won't change the hitsound of this because reasons (the sound of it and the straight design are weird for my PERSONAL recommendation, but I think making strem simplified here is actually a better idea.)
2. 00:12:712 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This would work better if you make it tom hitsounding falling into snare, since your pattern pretty much goes from a regular stream 00:12:712 (1,2,3,4) - to some kicksliders 00:12:962 (5,6) - making it feel that you're going for the moviment speed increase. So yeah, make it drum-clap->drum-finish->snare (clap).
3. 00:23:712 (4,5,6,7) - This lacks more feedback. Song is intense and you have vocal emphasis on 00:23:712 (4,6) - compared to 00:23:837 (5,7) - . Make it whistle+kick -> hi-hat ->whistle+kick -> hi-hat .
4. 00:43:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - The object with least amount of feedback is 00:43:337 (3) - . The current pattern is cymbal, kick, hi-hat, kick, kick. I'd suggest make all of them kicks, leaving a finish on 00:43:212 (1) - and a whistle for the vocal at 00:43:462 (5) - head. Repeat for the same pattern at 00:44:212 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
5. 00:48:627 (4) - Add a second tom here
6. 00:54:712 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - Same thing about lack of feedback; Tom 1 - Tom 2 progression is a good filler here 00:54:712 (1,2,3) - drum-hitclap 00:54:962 (1,2,3) - drum-hitfinish . (This one is a bit controversial since you're adding stuff that's not really on the song, but it fits and Lasse also added snares in the song where they don't exist, didn't see anyone complaining about that :^).
7. 01:10:899 (8) - leaving only this in the entire stream without kick is weird 01:10:712 (5,6,7,8,9) -
8. 01:20:212 (1) - The lack of hitsounding on this kickslider makes it stand out less compared to all the entire previous stream 01:19:962 (3,4,5,6,1) - and it also applies to 01:20:337 (2) - I recommend drum-clap -> finish transition for the kicks as well here.

To make things faster for you here's the diff with the mod applied so you can check yourself what you can consider changing or not.

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172,138,88962,1,12,0:1:0:0:

Good luck with this map ^^

Ascendance wrote:

Logic Agent, your reasoning could be sound but if it's not sound to others it won't fly. Unfortunately, the direction of the qualified section is as follows:

- Active discussion of more than 1 person?
-> DQ

However, it doesn't mean you should redwall everything. Just because a map is qualified doesn't mean it's perfect, and just because other people agree with you doesn't make your opinion perfect either. If people believed your arguments to be convincing, I think they would leave the map alone and the QAT wouldn't have taken it down. You said it yourself they can be improved, so don't have such a negative attitude! DQ's are only here to help improve the quality of a map, not to make your night worse. Good luck!

Also @nao i loved the armin meme 10/10

Irreversible wrote:

To conclude, I'm taking this down so you guys can find a consensus concerning the hitsounds.

Logic Agent wrote:

it definitely is enough because i make maps for myself to enjoy, and don't care too much about the opinions of others.

Logic Agent wrote:

Anyways, the system is just shitty and people want to enforce their opinions and ideas on other peoples maps, without considering a viewpoint other than their own.

Voli wrote:

I checked the hitsounds (as i was one of the people concerned about them) and it seems to me they reflect the song better this way. I still don't agree with the things I pointed out earlier (that doesnt mean im stopping the map from getting ranked or w/e, just saying) but concerning the hitsounds, I can say that issue is fixed. If you need anything else from me, feel free to pm.

Kisses wrote:

Specifically hitsounding to the drums when he’s mapping to the vocals???? In what sense does that make it better?

1. 00:04:962 (5) - having this as a 3/4 slider would be nice to havea nice transition for the next section and to also have it contrast from the other 1/2 sliders
2. 01:10:712 (5,6,7,8,9) - spacing seems a bit low consider the difficulty of the others streams + the entire map as a whole

1. 00:48:962 (3) - having this as 2 circles would be nice to contrast with the surrounding sliders
2. 00:51:212 (1,1,1,1) - couldn't you come up with a better looking pattern

1. 00:36:712 (4,5) - I think having this as a 1/2 slider + two circles would be better so it contrasts with 00:37:462 (2,3) - and 00:38:962 (5,1)
2. 00:50:587 (2,3,4) - rhythm + patterning felt a bit weird to play
3. 00:48:712 (4,5) - i think having 2 circles here would be nice as it would meant the objects contrast to 00:49:212 (1) . Listening to the song there is a transition to a different at 00:49:212 (1) that has different feeling to it (honestly i dunno how to describe it with fancy music terms), but yh. The 2 sections are different in the music but feel very samey when you play it
4. 01:06:212 (5) - NC?
5. 01:09:087 (5) - I can't really see anything reason why this *has* to be a kickslider and not a circle
6. 01:14:962 (4) - 2 circles to contrast with 01:14:712 (3) ? there are 2 snares on slider 4 but only 1 snare on slider 3 so it feels weird to map them as both the same object
7. 00:29:962 (5,1) - minor but perhaps space these a bit more so it looks like your other 3/4 slider + circle patterns. 0.3
8. 00:12:712 (4) - You probs won't like this idea lol but i think shortening this down to the red tick would be ideal for this level of play
9. You're going to have to give me your reasoning as to why you mapped so many 3/4 sliders the way you did. On the surface it looks like you mapped them because you just felt like it, i tried to examine it and they don't seem to be picking out any instruments or vocal sounds in particular
   
   The map isn't as bad as the length of my mod implies

1. 00:40:962 (4) - I think 2 circles would be nice here
2. 00:44:962 (5) - ^
3. 01:18:962 (4) - ^
4. 00:49:587 (2) - Imo deleting this circle and creating a 1/1 break would reflect the song better

1. 00:15:212 (1,2,3) - this rhythm blends in much better with the rest of the section (ignore object placements) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10494609
2. 00:48:587 - circle?
3. 00:31:712 (3,4) - i think 2 circles would be better because it would unify the whole section to be mapped to the vocals instead of part vocals part instruments
4. 00:34:712 (5) - reverse slider?
5. 00:35:212 (1,2,3) - use same rhythm as 00:33:212 (1,2)
6. 00:53:212 (1) - same hitsounds as 00:51:212 (1,2,3,4) ?
7. 01:00:712 (5) - 2 circles for many reasons. Same for 01:06:712 (5) -
8. 00:57:212 (1,2,3) - same rhythm suggestion as 00:15:212 (1,2,3).
9. 00:59:212 (1,2,3) - ^

1. 00:12:712 (4) - 2 circles would be cool here imo for variety and a stronger transition. Same for 00:44:712 (4) -
2. 00:31:212 (1,2) - two 1/1 sliders for variety?
3. 01:18:212 (3,4) - how about turning these into circles to reflect the massive increase in intensity
4. 01:12:962 (4) - I think deleting this circle and creating a 2/1 break would fit the song better, sets a nice pacing for the map too imo

1. 00:17:212 (1,2,3) - suggestion https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10494892
2. 00:25:212 (1) - to 00:51:212 (1) - can you add some circles? it's full sliders
3. 00:55:212 (1) - because this is the lowest diff i don't think it's ideal to start so near in the top corner after a spinner, especially when there is so little recovery time
4. 01:27:212 (1,2) - structure of these 2 objects together looks weird aesthetically
   2 problems - verse is a lot harder than kiai because of the amount of 1/1 beats between the two sections
   - the circle to slider ratio is really, really low

Kisses wrote:

Mun

1. 00:36:712 (4,5) - I think having this as a 1/2 slider + two circles would be better so it contrasts with 00:37:462 (2,3) - and 00:38:962 (5,1) it's already fairly contrasting, and emphasis in the song says otherwise
2. 00:50:587 (2,3,4) - rhythm + patterning felt a bit weird to play changed
3. 00:48:712 (4,5) - i think having 2 circles here would be nice as it would meant the objects contrast to 00:49:212 (1) . Listening to the song there is a transition to a different at 00:49:212 (1) that has different feeling to it (honestly i dunno how to describe it with fancy music terms), but yh. The 2 sections are different in the music but feel very samey when you play it rhythm choice isnt the only way to contrast things
4. 01:06:212 (5) - NC?
5. 01:09:087 (5) - I can't really see anything reason why this *has* to be a kickslider and not a circle turn off effects and you'll hear one
6. 01:14:962 (4) - 2 circles to contrast with 01:14:712 (3) ? there are 2 snares on slider 4 but only 1 snare on slider 3 so it feels weird to map them as both the same object sort of changed
7. 00:29:962 (5,1) - minor but perhaps space these a bit more so it looks like your other 3/4 slider + circle patterns. 0.3
8. 00:12:712 (4) - You probs won't like this idea lol but i think shortening this down to the red tick would be ideal for this level of play there are so many harder elements than this, and i already tried and hated it lmao
9. You're going to have to give me your reasoning as to why you mapped so many 3/4 sliders the way you did. On the surface it looks like you mapped them because you just felt like it, i tried to examine it and they don't seem to be picking out any instruments or vocal sounds in particular
   well you hit one nail on the head: because i felt like it
   the other one is because it's what the song supports, and most of my 1/2 is actually just oversimplification because i didn't know how to handle 240bpm 3/4 song at this diff level
   The map isn't as bad as the length of my mod implies
   oh it's so much worse lmao

Kisses wrote:

top

1. 00:04:962 (5) - having this as a 3/4 slider would be nice to havea nice transition for the next section and to also have it contrast from the other 1/2 sliders sure
2. 01:10:712 (5,6,7,8,9) - spacing seems a bit low consider the difficulty of the others streams + the entire map as a whole was intentional because here instead of increasing the spacing as the kiai comes to a close i lowered it for the calmer part that follows

Hard

1. 00:40:962 (4) - I think 2 circles would be nice here
2. 00:44:962 (5) - ^
3. 01:18:962 (4) - ^
4. 00:49:587 (2) - Imo deleting this circle and creating a 1/1 break would reflect the song better ok to all

Advanced

1. 00:15:212 (1,2,3) - this rhythm blends in much better with the rest of the section (ignore object placements) https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10494609 think this rhythm is fine because of 00:14:712 (5) -
2. 00:48:587 - circle? ok
3. 00:31:712 (3,4) - i think 2 circles would be better because it would unify the whole section to be mapped to the vocals instead of part vocals part instruments sure
4. 00:34:712 (5) - reverse slider? think the current rhythm helps build up to 00:36:587 (5,6,7) -
5. 00:35:212 (1,2,3) - use same rhythm as 00:33:212 (1,2) did something similar rhythmically in topdiff becuase of the drum change
6. 00:53:212 (1) - same hitsounds as 00:51:212 (1,2,3,4) ? same as other diffs, the emptiness kinda seems fitting
7. 01:00:712 (5) - 2 circles for many reasons. Same for 01:06:712 (5) - ok
8. 00:57:212 (1,2,3) - same rhythm suggestion as 00:15:212 (1,2,3). i like this density in the kiai
9. 00:59:212 (1,2,3) - ^ same

Easy

1. 00:17:212 (1,2,3) - suggestion https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10494892 i mean that works too but this is braindead enough i think
2. 00:25:212 (1) - to 00:51:212 (1) - can you add some circles? it's full sliders i mean i dont really think thats a problem given the bpm
3. 00:55:212 (1) - because this is the lowest diff i don't think it's ideal to start so near in the top corner after a spinner, especially when there is so little recovery time moved it down a bit, nothing too drastic
4. 01:27:212 (1,2) - structure of these 2 objects together looks weird aesthetically changed
   2 problems - verse is a lot harder than kiai because of the amount of 1/1 beats between the two sections i dont really think its much of an issue, but i added a bit more 1/1 circles in the kiai
   - the circle to slider ratio is really, really low again, dont rly think thats such a big deal but yeah

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