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Vivyanne
00:21:289 (3,5,6) - inconsistent, (3) isnt in the middle of (5,6)
00:50:075 (2,3,4) - (4) not in the middle of (2,3)
01:05:508 (2) - still in doubt of whether this stack actually fits, the drum beat is rather strong so something of movement would be cool to have. also cuz of the stack it's not in the middle of 01:06:029 (4,5) -
02:01:000 (3,4,5) - (3) not in the middle of (4,5)
02:23:023 (2) - wouldnt it make more sense to stack this on top of 02:21:462 (1,2) - ? (if its meant to be it's off so fix t h x)

still waiting on that scar slider dude :eyes:
Topic Starter
Halfslashed

HighTec wrote:

00:21:289 (3,5,6) - inconsistent, (3) isnt in the middle of (5,6)
Fixed.
00:50:075 (2,3,4) - (4) not in the middle of (2,3)
Fixed.
01:05:508 (2) - still in doubt of whether this stack actually fits, the drum beat is rather strong so something of movement would be cool to have. also cuz of the stack it's not in the middle of 01:06:029 (4,5) -
It's meant as a progression of the rest of the rhythms in this section, where I use a 1/1 slider, having the snare on the slider tail. I used a stack to indicate that it still has similar relevance in relation to the main melody, which is the emphasized with the spacing at 01:05:508 (2,3). As far as visuals are concerned, I'd prefer to keep the curve between 01:05:162 (1,3) than even distance between the stacked circle and 01:06:029 (4,5).
02:01:000 (3,4,5) - (3) not in the middle of (4,5)
How...
02:23:023 (2) - wouldnt it make more sense to stack this on top of 02:21:462 (1,2) - ? (if its meant to be it's off so fix t h x)
I thought about it but if I do that, it's off of the curve created by 02:21:462 (1,3,4), which is what the patterning is based off of.
still waiting on that scar slider dude :eyes:
I can't find a design that works for me :(
Thanks for the mod!
Deppyforce
this is cool
anna apple
kds post?

eXtrA stage

  1. 00:39:844 (8) - 00:50:942 (8) - I think you should make this two circles since you normally make all vocal articulations clickable and there is a vocal articulation at the end of this slider. If you consider this, it happens every time you look to do these patterns.
  2. 01:06:549 (1,2) - 02:58:919 (1,2) - this is pretty similar to 01:17:647 (1,2) - musically? , I would suggest ctrl g on 2 to make it a bit more similar map wise
  3. 01:58:485 (5) - parallel :eyes: (every now and then some visuals are slightly off, but this one is a little more off than the others d)
  4. 02:24:930 (9) - I think if you are going to put any nc's, it should split the stream, or the ds change should be more noticable.
You don't have a soft-hitwhistle, so I would say instead of some sections being Soft sample you do Soft Custom 1 to silence slider slide

ok

03:01:693 (1,2) - ctrl g? would make more sense if the movement here was symmetrical also similar to the parts its around xd though some of the symmetrical movement ones work out too :^)
Topic Starter
Halfslashed

borborygmos wrote:

kds post? yes

eXtrA stage

  1. 00:39:844 (8) - 00:50:942 (8) - I think you should make this two circles since you normally make all vocal articulations clickable and there is a vocal articulation at the end of this slider. If you consider this, it happens every time you look to do these patterns.
    I'd normally do this, but I really wanted a heavy drum focus in this section, since they finally start taking over. Switching to vocals would be a bit weird to me with this in mind.
  2. 01:06:549 (1,2) - 02:58:919 (1,2) - this is pretty similar to 01:17:647 (1,2) - musically? , I would suggest ctrl g on 2 to make it a bit more similar map wise
    The first pair of sliders are mapping the same pitch, while the second pair of sliders are mapping different pitches. Also makes sense in the map to have the movement I have mimic the movement of intro patterns in order to introduce these overlapping increased SV patterns.
  3. 01:58:485 (5) - parallel :eyes: (every now and then some visuals are slightly off, but this one is a little more off than the others d)
    I'm really bad about these.. lol.
  4. 02:24:930 (9) - I think if you are going to put any nc's, it should split the stream, or the ds change should be more noticable.
    Personally I don't think that the music changes enough to justify a larger DS change than what I have, especially since I don't really have any streams like this throughout the diff. It is a bit weird considering my normal rule for NCing, but I think it should be fine since I am indicating a DS change. I wouldn't mind more opinions on this though.
You don't have a soft-hitwhistle, so I would say instead of some sections being Soft sample you do Soft Custom 1 to silence slider slide
agre. Did it for intro and outro sections.

ok

03:01:693 (1,2) - ctrl g? would make more sense if the movement here was symmetrical also similar to the parts its around xd though some of the symmetrical movement ones work out too :^)
Not sure what you mean here, since this suggestion would break the established movement/rhythm.
Thanks for the mod!
Nao Tomori
m4m (since u modded my map already)

[extra]
if you really did want to just use stacking everywhere, you could redesign the intro to use slider end stacks like you do later throughout the map. the overlaps look pretty out of place cuz you use stacking everywhere else.

actual map

the use of wide/straight angle jumps stood out to me a bit in the intro. at first i thought they were used on all the downbeats with lower notes but then that wasnt really the case, so it just looks to me like it switches somewhat randomly?
i mean i know thats not what you did probably, so could you explain why some are wide and some not?

00:12:445 (1) - the spacing on this thing seems a bit underwhelming. it has the same spacing as 00:11:751 (4,5) - but it also has slider leniency helping it so the spacing is a bit small. something like ctrl g could work fine, both to raise the spacing and to differentiate it a bit more from the previous 3 sliders

00:15:740 (3) - didn't like this cuz the slider switches instruments. the little tingly thing is doing a double, and since you seem to be following that with the clicks, how about repeating that rhythm here?

00:34:121 - since you followed the 1/8th snap right before, felt a bit empty to skip it here. how about kicksliders?

00:44:873 (4,5) - this spacing feels reaaaaaaaaaaally small >.>

00:57:878 (4,5,1) - seems like you use mostly linear patterns with back and forth motion, like 00:59:612 (1,2,3,4,5) - , but this one transition had a much less sharp angle, therefore a different motion. if you compared this to some similar jumps, you'll see the angle on those is much sharper, which is why i thought this was out of place.

01:05:162 (1) - sounds like 2 clicks would be nice

01:06:549 (1,2) - think ctrl g on 2 is a lot better here. the 2 positioning is kind of weak and takes a ton of emphasis off of the 1 slider, which has a weird effect since that kind of sound is where a slider body is perfect imo

01:14:873 (1) - same angle thing

02:14:526 - doing something here to show how it's different from the intro (with that constant drum thing) would be cool.

02:23:370 (4,6) - imo you should stack these to mirror 02:22:849 (1,2,3) - since they're paired in the music (due to the piano melody resetting on the red tick at 4)

well the map is more or less copy pasted over and over so if i said something and you apply it check out the other places =D

[sergio]
overlaps make me want to kill myself

00:11:231 - meh don't like skipping this. it's still in the melody, even if youre trying to transition to the next part.

00:17:127 (2,3) - shdnt this be an overlap

actually i dont rly get when u stack and when not >.> cuz most of the map seems to be entirely overlaps but the first bit you stack sometimes...

00:26:231 - might as well follow this like the other triples around this section

02:21:115 (4) - would be nice tooverlap these too

dunno why you decided to map like 2012 style -_-
yolo

[hard]
00:45:393 (7) - this is rly ugly

00:32:214 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - dunno this seems like ap retty large diff spike. more dense than most of the kiai by far

02:27:531 (2,4) - whoa why are these so curved all of a sudden OwO

02:32:214 (5,3) - seems like only time you stacked under a head. might be a bit unexpected

03:03:081 (1,2) - rip visual spacing

[easy]
no cool sliders, unrankable..




lmk when you respond
Topic Starter
Halfslashed

Naotoshi wrote:

m4m (since u modded my map already)

[extra]
if you really did want to just use stacking everywhere, you could redesign the intro to use slider end stacks like you do later throughout the map. the overlaps look pretty out of place cuz you use stacking everywhere else.
If you're talking about stuff like 00:01:347 (1,4) - I could probably do something about that.

actual map

the use of wide/straight angle jumps stood out to me a bit in the intro. at first i thought they were used on all the downbeats with lower notes but then that wasnt really the case, so it just looks to me like it switches somewhat randomly?
i mean i know thats not what you did probably, so could you explain why some are wide and some not?
I intended a wide angle between 00:06:549 (4,5,1) - to signal the transition between the halves of the intro, which I then repeat later. The one at 00:02:387 (4,5,1) - was unintentional though, so I removed that one. The main movement idea here is that I alternate between stop-and-go slider entry and comfortable slider entry.

00:12:445 (1) - the spacing on this thing seems a bit underwhelming. it has the same spacing as 00:11:751 (4,5) - but it also has slider leniency helping it so the spacing is a bit small. something like ctrl g could work fine, both to raise the spacing and to differentiate it a bit more from the previous 3 sliders
I think the spacing is fine, considering what differentiates this slider from the previous 3 is that this slider does not require you to stop before moving through the slider. Due to how the slider leniency works for the previous object, it also does have more movement.

00:15:740 (3) - didn't like this cuz the slider switches instruments. the little tingly thing is doing a double, and since you seem to be following that with the clicks, how about repeating that rhythm here?
The clicks all land on vocals here, i'm representing the hi-hat with passive rhythms.

00:34:121 - since you followed the 1/8th snap right before, felt a bit empty to skip it here. how about kicksliders?
I think this is the wrong timestamp, since this links to a red tick.

00:44:873 (4,5) - this spacing feels reaaaaaaaaaaally small >.>
It was intentional, mainly because of how the vocals faded out a bit and instrumentals slow down in pace here. This also serves to create a nice contrast when the song picks back up again at 00:45:740 (1).

00:57:878 (4,5,1) - seems like you use mostly linear patterns with back and forth motion, like 00:59:612 (1,2,3,4,5) - , but this one transition had a much less sharp angle, therefore a different motion. if you compared this to some similar jumps, you'll see the angle on those is much sharper, which is why i thought this was out of place.
I actually end up using similar angle differences for each transition between the downbeats, such as places like 00:59:266 (4,5,1) -

01:05:162 (1) - sounds like 2 clicks would be nice
I could see that working, but I still want to keep my melody focus here, and using two circles would make it less obvious that I'm still representing the melody, since I'd be using different spacing emphasis for drums.

01:06:549 (1,2) - think ctrl g on 2 is a lot better here. the 2 positioning is kind of weak and takes a ton of emphasis off of the 1 slider, which has a weird effect since that kind of sound is where a slider body is perfect imo
Mentioned it before, but what this is doing is introducing this sort of increased SV extended slider overlap using movement that the player is already accustomed to, which allows me to set up 01:17:647 (1,2). Combined with the different pitches these sounds have, and that the player still gets the emphasis due to the first introduction of the SV, I think that this both reflects these sounds and introduces these ideas well.

01:14:873 (1) - same angle thing
Explained above, angle difference is really similar to 01:02:041 (4,5,1).

02:14:526 - doing something here to show how it's different from the intro (with that constant drum thing) would be cool.
I agree, but as I explained at p/5958380 , I don't have a suitable alternative.

02:23:370 (4,6) - imo you should stack these to mirror 02:22:849 (1,2,3) - since they're paired in the music (due to the piano melody resetting on the red tick at 4)
Thank you so much for suggesting something that can get rid of that stupid triangle.

well the map is more or less copy pasted over and over so if i said something and you apply it check out the other places =D


[hard]
00:45:393 (7) - this is rly ugly
Agreed, made it less curved.

00:32:214 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - dunno this seems like ap retty large diff spike. more dense than most of the kiai by far
Definitely a difficulty increase, but I wouldn't say it's a big diff spike since the average circle strain of this section is 3-4 clickable 1/2 in a row. The kiai also has a version of this pattern which is equally tap straining, but introduces more spacing changes for differentiation. Given this, I don't think it's an issue, and rather think that it sets up the more straining patterns in the kiai.

02:27:531 (2,4) - whoa why are these so curved all of a sudden OwO
I've been gradually curving my 1/2 sliders between the kiais. It's intended as a subtle effect along with the slightly harsher movement ideas in this section.

02:32:214 (5,3) - seems like only time you stacked under a head. might be a bit unexpected
Fixed.

03:03:081 (1,2) - rip visual spacing
Spaced them out more.

[easy]
no cool sliders, unrankable..
Unlucky.



lmk when you respond
Thanks for the mod!
Seijiro

Naotoshi wrote:

sergio
overlaps make me want to kill myself sorry 'bout that, but I can do nothing xd

00:11:231 - meh don't like skipping this. it's still in the melody, even if youre trying to transition to the next part. it is not part of the rhythm I am following, even if there is something playing in that spot

00:17:127 (2,3) - shdnt this be an overlap isn't the circle completely overlapping the slider tail? I consider stacks as complete overlaps

actually i dont rly get when u stack and when not >.> cuz most of the map seems to be entirely overlaps but the first bit you stack sometimes... don't be misled by the stack, because it is considered as an overlap when it can happen. It has no particular rule at all

00:26:231 - might as well follow this like the other triples around this section I couldn't even hear that tbh, probably because 00:26:318 - is really loud and high pitched, so it covers the soft triplet

02:21:115 (4) - would be nice tooverlap these too I consider the whole pattern to be overlapped, not just two objects at a time (this would also turn into a complete mess otherwise) so I probably won't do that. If you give me an option I can give it a go but it is not that appealing to me

dunno why you decided to map like 2012 style -_- is it? @.@ I probably got influenced by Natsu's version somehow, considering how much I watched that lol
yolo

ayy
Nao Tomori
@MrSergio#4279

just wanna c if this works

bubbled!
Arrival
it didnt
Seijiro
it didnt
Lasse
back

pop reason:
No two uninherited or two inherited timing sections should be placed at the same point
01:09:323 - on sergio's diff

I think these can actually cause issues as there is no way for the game to tell which one to "prefer"

ex:
hs stuff applies for all of your diffs
00:01:347 (1) - could have more impact hs wise (like +finish maybe)
00:22:156 (1) - ^

00:44:179 (8) - could be normal hitnormal instead for the kicks like you did on 00:55:277 (8) -
01:50:769 (8) - // 02:01:867 (8) - // 02:36:549 (8) - // 02:47:647 (8) - same for these

02:13:312 (1) - starting this spinner 1/2 earlier could feel more intuitive, but current is fine too (same for hard)
02:21:809 (2) - stack mod lol. though you could also leave it like that and then stack 02:23:023 (2) - on it
this part would look so much nicer with stack leniency 2, but that would also perfectly stack things like 00:52:503 (8,1) - so idk if you want that

02:24:930 (9) - shouldn't this have nc and maybe spacing change like 02:25:277 (1) - cause of melody on it?

sergio
fix the timing line thing from above
01:14:873 (1,2) - any reason why these break the overlap concept of this whole part?
00:33:861 (1,2) - feels so unnatural to play cause of wrong snap lol difference to 1/8 is quite noticeable so you hear hitsound and then the sound in the song. I think something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/WGRYKQ08.jpg would be good? clicking 1/8 tick should be fine cause slider head and big gap before
01:40:451 (1,2) - ^

hard
02:26:664 (2) - no nc here like on top diff?
02:59:092 - nice break snapping

normal
01:37:069 (4) - why the big ds break? makes 01:36:722 (3,4,5,6) - look bad
01:38:803 (2) - this one too, at first I thought you might be going for some gradual increase, but this is just 0.8 when all other 1/2 here are 1.0
01:59:266 - similar^ it fits the song but you only do it once :eyes:
03:04:121 (9) - 03:09:150 (2) - noticeable different spacing on same snapping right after each other looks pretty weird in these cases cause they only happen so randomly

easy
seems fine

[]

get nao to rebubble and I can qualify in a few days (blame dailfy qualify limit)
Seijiro
how the hell did that timing section appear...

sergio
fix the timing line thing from above ...
01:14:873 (1,2) - any reason why these break the overlap concept of this whole part? I actually did that without thinking.
It should be consistent now

00:33:861 (1,2) - feels so unnatural to play cause of wrong snap lol difference to 1/8 is quite noticeable so you hear hitsound and then the sound in the song. I think something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/WGRYKQ08.jpg would be good? clicking 1/8 tick should be fine cause slider head and big gap before I guess I can get rid of this after all...
01:40:451 (1,2) - ^


Sorry for the timing section :/
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Topic Starter
Halfslashed

Lasse wrote:

back

pop reason:
No two uninherited or two inherited timing sections should be placed at the same point
01:09:323 - on sergio's diff

I think these can actually cause issues as there is no way for the game to tell which one to "prefer"
SENSEI PLS.

ex:
hs stuff applies for all of your diffs
00:01:347 (1) - could have more impact hs wise (like +finish maybe)
Yeah, a finish sounds nice here.
00:22:156 (1) - ^
It grew on me after listening to it a few times.

00:44:179 (8) - could be normal hitnormal instead for the kicks like you did on 00:55:277 (8) -
01:50:769 (8) - // 02:01:867 (8) - // 02:36:549 (8) - // 02:47:647 (8) - same for these
When a mistake sounds better than the intended one.

02:13:312 (1) - starting this spinner 1/2 earlier could feel more intuitive, but current is fine too (same for hard)
I prefer to keep it as is since the sound doesn't start 1/2 earlier.

02:21:809 (2) - stack mod lol. though you could also leave it like that and then stack 02:23:023 (2) - on it
this part would look so much nicer with stack leniency 2, but that would also perfectly stack things like 00:52:503 (8,1) - so idk if you want that
Yeah I wanted differentiated 1/2 and 1/1 stacks, so i'll keep my current stack leniency. Fixed the stack.

02:24:930 (9) - shouldn't this have nc and maybe spacing change like 02:25:277 (1) - cause of melody on it?
I NC'd it, but my intent was to use the sharp stream curvature instead of a spacing change to reflect the melody here.

hard
02:26:664 (2) - no nc here like on top diff?
Fixed.
02:59:092 - nice break snapping
I tried to fix it.

normal
01:37:069 (4) - why the big ds break? makes 01:36:722 (3,4,5,6) - look bad
I love how DS squishes shit together when you get near the edges.
01:38:803 (2) - this one too, at first I thought you might be going for some gradual increase, but this is just 0.8 when all other 1/2 here are 1.0
01:59:266 - similar^ it fits the song but you only do it once :eyes:
Fuck noob DS.
03:04:121 (9) - 03:09:150 (2) - noticeable different spacing on same snapping right after each other looks pretty weird in these cases cause they only happen so randomly
Got it.

Did some other DS fixes too. Note to self to not make a fully DS'd normal next time.
easy
seems fine

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get nao to rebubble and I can qualify in a few days (blame dailfy qualify limit)
Thanks Lasse!
Nao Tomori
kill all frogs

reconfirmed lasse's mod and pop reason, looks all fixed to me. Bubbled.
Lasse
oh
02:59:092 - nice break snapping
refers to normal cause the break there has a weird custom snapping

idk how that point ended up under hard lol

other than that the set looks fine now, so just fix that and I can qualify when the daily cap resets in about 24 hours
Lasse
qualified
Arrival
gratz Halfslashed
C00L
gratz halfy mah dud
Nakano Itsuki
Gratz on qual!
Ankanogradiel
gratz

cute map and song \o/

just edit that "Ready for modding!" thing in the description sometime x d
Sidetail
congrats on your first qualify halfslashed!
Seijiro
I feel refreshed
Topic Starter
Halfslashed
Thanks for your support everyone!
ReFaller
Congrats for first ranked map. I just looked comments and noticed UndeadCauplet's who is calling this song as drum and bass genre. I agree with him in 100%.

Note for GMT/QAT for adding it to tags.

Perfect thing for noticing after qualify time because it's not causing anything.
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