Are you sure I invented things you didn't say? Your statements are just trying to make the situation worse by commenting on an exaggerated situation that you created. (Which by the way, is the definition of the straw man fallacy). I just find it deplorable that you are trying to agitate a situation where both the mapper and the person voicing the concern are trying to wrap up and sort out our concerns and grievances. I don't yet know what Kroytz will do moving forward, but I'm no longer pursuing this matter.Cherry Blossom wrote:
It makes me laugh when people are being kids because someone else just copy/pasted or took patterns from another person, who mapped the same song, and modified it. People are still saying that "copy pasting is for lazy mappers, for noobs, for shietmappers" etc. But... can't we see somewhere "property of <insert mapper here>" ? Guys, it's just a game with circles and sliders, when you already saw some patterns that play well and made people happy, then it's natural to take them and modify them to add your personal "touch" and, try to improve it. I didn't say that copy pasting is good, but people should really change their stupid elitist and selfish mentality "fuk you, you stole my pattern, i worked hard on it, pls give credits to me". When you're contributing to a community, you should not act like this, and you should feel proud that someone else took your patterns because that person thinks they worked well. But if it's just for memes, then fuk you.
thank you sdfssfasfafasd - i dont know how to say your name x3sdafsf wrote:
mod post00:26:962 (1,5) - rotate to make them point to 00:26:669 (4,5,6) - . They need to face downward as to follow the flow from the previous objects, not move back into them.
00:30:474 (1,2,3) - move to blanket head of 00:30:621 (3) - with 00:30:913 (4) - . Oh I get what youre saying, but the slider ends of 00:29:889 (3,4,3) - are to visually look triangular. moving to blanket would also underspace the objects.
00:33:261 (2,3,4,5) - line these up. they are lined up I double checked ;;
00:32:529 (5,1) - move red slider point of 1 so that it works better with 5. also make 1 rectangular to second part of 5. Adjusted by a couple degrees so its perpendicular but cannot make the rectangle because it looks kinda funny. Having as a 45 degree angle seems good for me.
00:33:992 (1,2) - maybe move 2 a little more down. li feel like theyre a little close. cannot because 00:33:992 (1,2,3) - visually looks as a triangle. and the slider-end makes a bit of a blanket.
00:39:251 (4,5) - i feel like 5 should be more emphesized. emphasizing beat actually starts on the 4 but I think creating a structural pattern can leave a pretty good ending for this section.
00:40:275 - i think there is too much nc going on here. remove nc 00:40:275 (1) - here and 00:41:153 (1) - here. stylistic NCs to separate the drums from each other and make for symmetry.
01:15:324 (4,1) - this emphesis feels a bit to strong to me. id change the spacing to .8 or lower. hm, doesn't really feel like all that much especially since it goes back inward.
01:18:324 (5,6,1) - 1 could be more emphesized. right now 5-6 is larger than 6-1. especially since you chose generally large spacing it feels weak. spacing is barely that much different from each other. the counter-flow from the (1) slider also helps the player because if it was too big, then the counterflow might feel really harsh to play.
01:25:349 (3,4,1) - this linear flow doesnt seem healthy after the flow here 01:25:056 (1,2,3,4) - . personally i would change the kickslider pattern. I could change the kick patterns or maybe the direction of the (1) slider. If this is brought up a couple times again, then I'll change this cuz I can sorta agree but im not entirely sure yet.
01:27:983 (1,2) - , 01:25:642 (1,2) - these spacing differences are too big imo. eh I think not.
01:51:837 (2,3,4,5,6) - these big spacing differences seem unjustified to me. It followed a triangular scheme but I made the spacings on all them a little closer together
02:18:910 (9,10) - maybe tilt these against each other a bit would look nicer imo. maybe? su - su vocals are equal was the idea.
02:18:910 (9,10) - this could be a nice blanket.
02:47:300 (1,2,3,4,1) - the spacing looks fine imo but i feel like the jump shouldnt go left as much. I need the visual jump otherwise its gonna look too even with the previous 4 beats,
03:01:642 (1,1,1) - silence sliderends. fixed all of these
03:06:324 (1) - ^
04:19:276 (6,7,8,9,10) - this turn is way to sharp at that spacing imo. people have hit these before but I'm gonna get some more testplays to see if this is not as comfortable as it looks.
04:20:959 (1,2) - this could be blanketed. the first slider will be ugly either way x[
04:30:105 (10,1) - make 10 overlap with the body 1 of perfectly. sure.
04:38:665 (7,8,1,2) - this doesnt look very nice to me. I get the emphesis on 1 but i feel like the turn is enough. no need to kill the curve. your idea and mine work either way, I just like the tiny bit more emphasis~
04:52:861 (1,4) - fix this blanket. fixed these all
04:53:739 (5,1) - ^
04:55:643 (1,1) - ^
gj on the map. fuck the circle jerk
13:14 Kroytz: sideeeeeeeeeeeeee
13:14 Kroytz: hi ><;;;
13:14 Kroytz: i think you know what this is about D:
13:14 Side: fúque
13:14 Kroytz: is it okay if I ask for a bit of modding help lol
13:15 Kroytz: it shouldnt be too hard I don't think
13:15 Side: okay
13:15 Side: for starters
13:15 Side: change the damn background wtf is a 2hu doing here
13:15 Side: and a happy30 demetori bg at that
13:15 Side: flipped
13:15 Side: 1/10
13:17 Side: second00:01:091 - this timing is way wrong and idk how no one spotted that even in pokemonstratas mep
13:17 Side: like you can clearly hear around here 00:05:915 - the ticks are falling behind the song
13:17 Kroytz: pls dont
13:17 Kroytz: irc :<
13:18 Side: I'm about to head out cuz lunch breaks over :v
13:18 Kroytz: ah ok
13:18 Kroytz: xd
13:18 Side: but I'll savelog this and post cuz ye
Weber wrote:
00:04:709 (1,2,3) - Going back towards (3) at that angle from (1) looks a little funny, I would rotate (2) anti-clockwise to make it a little better: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7227562
00:41:600 (1,1,1) - Might work better visually pitch-wise if you ctrl-j this, since the pitch is kind of descending.
thank you to all who modded~ will update when I finish fixing stuff ~ Desperate-kun wrote:
We talked about the plagiarism in the team and came to the conclusion that the patterns Monstrata mentioned in this post p/5794125 are clearly copied, since they don't just look and play the same but are mostly also at similar positions. From what we are seeing, only one of those has been changed appropriately. Please get rid of the obvious similarities. Maybe wording this could've been better... "clearly copied" is one thing I admitted to for one ladder (slightly altered but copied for the sake of discussion), the rest being "eerily similar" or "too close to be coincidence" would have been better. Being accused for plagiarism when working on this for ~30 hours on stream isn't fun especially when the resemblances are this uncanny to argue against. Regardless, I'll make the changes so this can move forward.
Thank you QATs and Monstrata, will update when changes are made~Monstrata wrote:
00:29:304 (1,2,3,4) - There are a lot of ways to map this and transition across the screen. Easy fix imo so lets change this up. Sure, this is pretty simple fix I think.
02:46:422 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - How about using angles similar to 02:47:007 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ? Instead of just Ctrl+H patterns. Ctrl+H+J patterns aren't as common and could be more interesting too. I'll disagree with this because this is really just my style of streams, I had predetermined ideas for these guitar strummy sounds that aren't related to your map a single bit. For other instances of where similar sounds occur and the streams stay consistent you can look at 01:12:764 (1) - and 03:50:812 (1) -
02:51:105 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - There are a lot of ways to map a set of 4 kicksliders and this is hardly the first. Actually, the direction the sliders are pointed at makes these kicksliders rather easy to break on too because the slider-ball is going in the opposite direction of the slider flow so trying something different is optimal to gameplay too. This doesn't hurt nor affect gameplay since they play as rising circles (the overlapping slider ball already makes for a 300). Despite this being my style of kick sliders that I do across all my maps being typical and logical to me, I'll agree to change these.
02:56:373 (1) - You could try like a spiral slider ot something with smoother edges tbh. The bumps here are quite noticeable when you use a higher SV. Mine was lower so it wasn't as obvious, but if I used a higher SV i wouldn't have used this shape xd. This is really just a common slider shape that can be used for this sound... In fact, I've done this slider shape for this sound in two other of my maps before, not to mention many other mappers use this quite frequently. It's not an original slider shape, just a guitar-riffy looking slider xd. Maybe if the riff was longer I'd make it look something different but right now it's only 6/4 and this is just a logical slider shape to me.....
03:14:520 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - Okay, this pattern is literally the same as mine except spaced wider. There are plenty of ways to map 8-beat jump patterns anyways. Sure (for the record I did have alternative patterns created, just didn't keep them since this felt more comfortable to me.)
04:04:422 (1,2,3,4,5) - This one is also extremely similar to mine. Like, same position, same slider direction, same curved stream etc... You have a whole 1/1 gap to work with so theres a lot of room to rework this pattern without messing up flow and stuff. I wanted the weak beats to be off from the center so that the main part of the song becomes active around the entire playfield. This is a be a bit harder to change since my patterns afterwards work together to create structure and it stems from this first combo. I'll try but can't guarantee it'll be any different
nibs wrote:
this isn't "copy and pasted"
get off your high horse Monstrata.
there's only a few ways you can map a song that's 99% death metal or whatever it's called. go get a bunch of experienced mappers and give them a dragonforce song, you'll get a few maps that look the same.
"omg this guy made streams and sliders in a place in the song where i put them omg he stole it"
you have good eyes and ears garden, thank you -w-bGarden wrote:
hi, as your request
seems biggest concerns towards similarity are addressed so i'm just throwing mine
Crimson Rebellioncall me for a check when you finish the reply
- 00:04:709 (1,2,3) - should they be drum sampleset so they are consistent with others? Fixed
- 00:21:109 - seems to miss a finish here considering your previous hitsounding Fixed (also added Finish on second slider)
- 00:23:450 (1,3) - clap on head? Yes yes
- 00:30:182 (4) - ctrl-g the slider so the pattern goes 100% symmetry? plays smooth too woops yes fixed
- 01:15:324 (4,1) - spacing bump in stream here might seem minor but it makes little sense to me, comparing it with 01:15:617 (4,1) - where music changes vastly. It was for a visual aesthetic, but the 2nd half does play more stronger so I can change this to be even now.
- 01:46:715 (1,2) - maybe it's just personal preference but i'd suggest making a little change in rhythm here to follow vocal -> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7941342 (also cuz i saw you were mapping similar red tick vocals previously like 01:33:032 (6,1) - ) This one is weird because if I follow repeat sliders like yours, it's hard to tell for the player how long to hold since most of my hold sliders are 2 repeats not 3. The vocal is long enough to play with but I like the simplicity of mine.
- 01:51:983 (3,4) - the sudden small spacing looks out of place, i don't see the point in it Changed it up a little bit, should be spaced okay now.
- 02:00:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - check your hitsounding in the stream, it sounds to me that some samplesets are wrongly set fixed a couple of things, some with the normals. should be okay now?
- 03:14:812 (1,2) - what about ctrl-g to make 03:14:520 (1,2,1,2) - 03:15:105 (1,2,1,2) - movement & spacing similar? mm okay~
- 03:23:885 (1,2,1,2) - 03:28:568 (1,2,3,4) - minor one, happened to notice an inconsistency in combo setting ahh sure okay
- 03:32:812 (1) - you didn't nc other similar spots so yea
- 04:19:203 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - while the vocal is strong all the way i don't think the pattern requires such a sharp turn here, and i'm a bit doubtful about the playability of this pattern but since it's out of my playing skill if you have some good testplay results and good reasoning that's also okay. Yes yes fixed now~! I got lots of testplay results with 5 circle turn and it was okay for the most part, but 6 circle turn is even more secure for players.
