It seems - regardless of whether any sort of plagiatism does apply in this case - that actions of copying specific elements into oneselfs map in the osu community isn't even being discussed in regards of the theme it being a questionable action because of the sake of an element, in similar manner, being used in a different map. Though this is the exact action I would see plagiatism in, that is whether something is "applied to the entire map" or not. I don't see any reason whatsoever that implies any difference (in terms of copying being blatant plagiatism) between those two. It does not at all matter whether a map represents the mappers own thoughts and creationism if he decided to randomly just copy elements of other maps.
The whole theme of a generic style being used in both maps is an entirely different discussion and does not influence the fact of whether plagiatism is rightfully denoted or not. The concept of "Mimicing styles" is a topic that is completely and utterly different from the charges that are being brought up to kroytz (which is plagiatism in terms of copying specific patterns whether or not they fit a specific style or not, which, again, does not mattern the slightest bit).
In my mind, it would be a start for rafraining from plagiatism (that is copying specific patterns that are recognizable) to become part of the ranking criteria.
And it is absolutely not a horrible idea for maps, in specific parts, to be necessarily different from a map of another set, as, for a map, being a product fully originating from the creativity and skill of its creator, is part of its purpose. And I am not talking about the style or the logic/flow patterns of specific parts of a map being an influence for a mapper to map a certain way - I am talking about blatantly copying patterns, that were thought out by another mapper to represent the song that is mapped to the best. Which again, neither do I know nor am able to judge whether this is the case here.
Calling out complaints (whether legitimate or not) as "bitching" doesn't help the discussion to advance in any way.
Sorry for this post, but it's 5:50 am and I got a little triggered I guess.
The whole theme of a generic style being used in both maps is an entirely different discussion and does not influence the fact of whether plagiatism is rightfully denoted or not. The concept of "Mimicing styles" is a topic that is completely and utterly different from the charges that are being brought up to kroytz (which is plagiatism in terms of copying specific patterns whether or not they fit a specific style or not, which, again, does not mattern the slightest bit).
In my mind, it would be a start for rafraining from plagiatism (that is copying specific patterns that are recognizable) to become part of the ranking criteria.
And it is absolutely not a horrible idea for maps, in specific parts, to be necessarily different from a map of another set, as, for a map, being a product fully originating from the creativity and skill of its creator, is part of its purpose. And I am not talking about the style or the logic/flow patterns of specific parts of a map being an influence for a mapper to map a certain way - I am talking about blatantly copying patterns, that were thought out by another mapper to represent the song that is mapped to the best. Which again, neither do I know nor am able to judge whether this is the case here.
Calling out complaints (whether legitimate or not) as "bitching" doesn't help the discussion to advance in any way.
Sorry for this post, but it's 5:50 am and I got a little triggered I guess.