Can we keep ad hominem attacks out of the discussion please Shiirn + anyone else?
I think it's time to wake up friendShiirn wrote:
I directly took a stream from another mapper in my Ascension to Heaven map, never really mentioned it to anyone, and kept it in my head as a personal homage to that mapper. I don't feel that is plagiarism.
Either change the patterns to something new and creative or demonstrate how they aren't a copy. Simple as that.Monstrata wrote:
I'm giving every single example of what I as the original mapper felt was a clear copy. Kroytz is a creative mapper, he can easily find a different way to map those sections I pointed out no? And then I would have no qualms about this map.
How can you plagiarize yourself if you aren't taking someone else's work?Monstrata wrote:
Hell, you can even plagiarize yourself if you don't quote from your own published works lol.
That's not plagiarism (if you're using your own works), that's an entirely different matter.Logic Agent wrote:
It was a dramatic example. In certain (maybe most, if not all) college courses, you have to cite every source you used in a finished paper. If you don't cite yourself, welp...
So you're making and statement here, meaning that Kroytz should re-map all the parts that are "copies" of your map?Monstrata wrote:
he can easily find a different way to map those sections I pointed out no? And then I would have no qualms about this map.
LULShiirn wrote:
When you want to keep natural flow going with basically one strict rhythm to follow, you're going to end up with similar patterns.
I hope there won't be any more drama or memery in here.
Don't make me warn you with a silence please, it is not worth the game, trust me.
Locking for the time being, contact a GMT if you need it unlocked for something actually "useful" to the map.And also Monstrata has even specified that this should not be about the map as a whole in his statement;
I'm giving every single example of what I as the original mapper felt was a clear copy. Kroytz is a creative mapper, he can easily find a different way to map those sections I pointed out no? And then I would have no qualms about this map..
I'm sorry but have you read monstrata's comment on the first page? it's definitely more than just "some sliders"Leggo wrote:
i feel sorry for Kroytz ;n; some sliders and the hole community comes down at him/his map.. yeah some sliders are the same but everything else isnt... try mapping it yourself and see how similar it will become..
Looking simillar is not like looking copypasted, this map looks literally copied, not inspired.nibs wrote:
this isn't "copy and pasted"
get off your high horse Monstrata.
there's only a few ways you can map a song that's 99% death metal or whatever it's called. go get a bunch of experienced mappers and give them a dragonforce song, you'll get a few maps that look the same.
"omg this guy made streams and sliders in a place in the song where i put them omg he stole it"
To be fair, those patterns that you showed in that video really can only be mapped that way.Liiraye wrote:
I think the only way to resolve this is to change the blatantly plagiarized parts and map them in your own rendition, everyone would appreciate that much more.
Just want to say @shiirn
Mapping integrity is something I value a lot, since we don't really get anything else out of mapping than credits for making a good map.
It becomes clear to me that kroytz is with intent copying patterns for successful songs, sometimes even at the same exact spots and posting them on his own maps without any kind of tribute or credits given.
Yes, I do believe what you did on ascension to heaven was wrong, you should have credited the original mapper for it. It's our only currency as mappers after all.
Here's a small bit of patterns I worked hard on myself, which are more or less directly used in his map:
wow, calm down there, I'm not paid to clean up the messes you should avoid themselves, you know.Titus wrote:
Can we get a clean up of this thread because this is not the place to start witch hunting
Huh? I'm not saying it's your job, just that it's starting to get very hard to actually read a mod or even do one when everyone is basically witch hunting Kroytz right now, not sure how it sounded like an insult to you though, not my intentions.MrSergio wrote:
Wow, gratz guys, I just had to remove 1 page of comments this time but we're still not there.wow, calm down there, I'm not paid to clean up the messes you should avoid themselves, you know.Titus wrote:
Can we get a clean up of this thread because this is not the place to start witch hunting
You should mind the way you say things because that sounded like an insult to me. I'm not your janitor :v
@Shiirn, we know how you like to express your opinions, but can you please avoid stirring more drama because someone got triggered by a word?
That would be great.
ok first off plagiarism is against the rules. Heck a TV size map was warned by QAT because the last 10 secs were mapped exactly the same as another ranked map (funny enough it was one of monstrata's maps; no I'm going to link it).Epsile wrote:
Let's be fair here.
Kroytz mapped this extremely similar to what Monstrata mapped.
Okay, and? Why do we need to start drama over something this silly?
Let it be. Flame me if you want to, I'm just saying that this is uncalled for.
Let the mapper do what they want to do, and don't turn into osu!'s feminazi's.
Let's be fair and inform the mapper that copying is against the rules????? :thinking:Epsile wrote:
Let's be fair here.