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Dunno, i wish we hadnt lynched Jess yesterday, but with her it's like impossible to know.
I'm gonna go back to the way i was and never join games with her again.
I'm gonna go back to the way i was and never join games with her again.
Can we consider our current situation for a moment? If beeboy wasn't scum then it doesn't make any sense that everyone else is either apathetic or against a beeboy lynch. It would only makes sense that if he weren't scum the actual scum would be trying to push a bandwagon to win.
It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.
It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.
My reasoning for bee probs town is as such:
If bee scum literally abused knowledge of all my weaknesses to attack me that he gathered due to him being a friend of mine and me opening up to him.
I'm literally gonna grill him alive irl.
So i guess its mostly wishful thinking i guess.
If bee scum literally abused knowledge of all my weaknesses to attack me that he gathered due to him being a friend of mine and me opening up to him.
I'm literally gonna grill him alive irl.
So i guess its mostly wishful thinking i guess.
I think the answer is somewhere in here but i have trouble figuring it out.Sakura wrote:
rEdo's reads at end of D1 according to this list
Scumread: Dawnsday
Can't read: Sakura, abraker, Jess, Hika
Townreads: beeboy, FrostyEoD1 Lynch:*scratches head*
On the wagon: abraker, Frosty, rEdo, Hika, Jess
Off the wagon: beeboy, Dawnsday, Sakura, B1rd
A shot on rEdo when he was townreading bee and Frosty, so at the very least that makes those 2 more unlikely to be scum.
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
Note 1: beeboy was most townread D1, but scum would be prepared for the possibility of a Doctor Protect.
Note 2: if abraker's scum, then the above doesnt make sense since abraker misread the setup. Same with Hika (faked?).
In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
rEdo
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
had to eliminated because it creates less uncertainty among the townies. As a mafia, would you rather have a confirmed townie, and 5 others who nobody knows who has what role, or 6 people who don't know who has what role? Keep in mind the mafia already know who is who. All special roles are eliminated. NK'ing rEdo was a no brainer, regardless of bandwagon.Sakura wrote:
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
or wait.. was that a D3 text or D2? I forgot where that was.
If that's a D2 text, then I misinterpreted and thought you were talking about the 2nd shot rEdo received.
That was from N1.abraker wrote:
rEdohad to eliminated because it creates less uncertainty among the townies. As a mafia, would you rather have a confirmed townie, and 5 others who nobody knows who has what role, or 6 people who don't know who has what role? Keep in mind the mafia already know who is who. All special roles are eliminated. NK'ing rEdo was a no brainer, regardless of bandwagon.Sakura wrote:
OTOH: rEdo was on the wagon, what does scum gain by shooting off someone on the wagon after i had said that if dawns flipped town someone on the wagon had to be scum? Attempt at discredit or protection? hmm
If you couldn't figure that out, you must be playing dumb
Obviously the N2 kill is a no brainer, im talking specifically about the first shot on rEdo (him dying N2, makes it 100% certain he was shot N1, as opposed to no kill gambit).
Funny how I was suspecting that all along, is it not?Sakura wrote:
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
You are still defebding Frosty much. I say we vote Frostings and watch Sakura break down. If he is town then I am mafia, if not Sakura is next.
Funny how you say that in MyLo.abraker wrote:
Funny how I was suspecting that all along, is it not?Sakura wrote:
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
You are still defebding Frosty much. I say we vote Frostings and watch Sakura break down. If he is town then I am mafia, if not Sakura is next.
I mean srsly dude, if Frosty and I were scum we'd have already won.
Oh wait nvm, b1rd's vote on bee came later than i remembered.
The NK on day 1 really isn't a foolproof indicator who scum is IMO, reads day 1 are very prone to changing and probably half of the day 1 reads have changed already. I still think it's beeboy + Frosty because it's clear that they have been helping each other later in the game and they are both not my townreads. Sorry but there's no way I'm going to vote abraker, your logic isn't particularly convincing, abraker is neutral to me and there's no way I'm going to take a chance like that at MyLo when I already have a strong scum read.Sakura wrote:
In an entirely objective data oriented only way.
both bee and frosty were townread at the end of D1.
Beeboy + Frosty (cannot be scum together) | It doesnt make sense for this scumteam compositon to shoot whoever's townreading them.
Possibilities:
Beeboy+B1rd (Doesnt make sense both were off wagon on D1).
Beeboy+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Beeboy+abraker (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
abraker+Hika (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+B1rd (Does any of their interactions make them scum together?)
Abraker+Frosty (This would be a long con busing if it was true, so probably not)
Hika+Frosty (Interactions on D2 dont make sense if they are scum together)
Leaving us with the possibilities of:
Beeboy/Hika, Beeboy/Abraker, Abraker/Hika, Abraker/B1rd.
The only way any scumteam that includes Frosty makes sense is with me, but im town, so i know this is not possible, Frosty suddenly rises in town scale.
I already talked about Beeboy.
Vote: Abraker
Also if it makes any difference I was pretty much on the Dawnsday wagon on D1, but I just came into the thread too late and didn't want to hammer.
Let me think about the odds of the scum team being b1rd and abraker for a bit.
Or maybe b1rd is just town and scum hika/abraker didn't feel comfortable pushing me but idk that seems unlikely.
I still don't think Sakura would try and use AtE like that as scum so I am still going to assume it's genuine.
I still think Frosty is town.
Or maybe b1rd is just town and scum hika/abraker didn't feel comfortable pushing me but idk that seems unlikely.
I still don't think Sakura would try and use AtE like that as scum so I am still going to assume it's genuine.
I still think Frosty is town.
Dunno, if you and your scum partner are being townread by X do you shoot him?
If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.
I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Unless you and Sakura are scum this makes for a convincing townie read tbhbeeboy123 wrote:
I'd kill Sakura n1 as scum tbh.
Her gut reads are too scary.
Dammit that is also assuming that Sakura is scum. BBoy + X wouldn't confirm the town read
*scratches head*
*scratches head*
One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.
Perhaps because it's unlikely that someone is going to keep their D1 townreads throughout the entire game and he could become a threat later on? And there's always the possibility that it's just WIFOM. I'm not saying that it isn't evidence whatsoever but it's definitely not enough to rule out that possibility, and from what I've seen later in the game convinces me more than that does.Sakura wrote:
Dunno, if you and your scum partner are being townread by X do you shoot him?
Alright that's a good point, I was thinking that he was just townreading beeboy. Not sure, it still might just be a WIFOM move since they might be able to use that to defend themselves and there's no guarantee rEdo will keep being their ally.Sakura wrote:
If you think it's possible that beeboy and Frosty would decide to shoot the person townreading BOTH of them, walk me through the scum thought process or motivations behind such action.
I mean case in point, the next day he was scumreading both of them.
There is no guarantee he'll keep townreading them sure (and in fact he didnt), but personal experience as once upon a time i bus'd my partner and then proceeded to NK people townreading me as a way to try to make me look like scum was trying to ML me by killing the people protecting me backfired hard.
Also actually it isnt "randomly" but those were the exact words that someone said about their assesment of my meta, so it stuck.Sakura wrote:
One of my main aspects of my scum game is that im way too worried about being consistent that sometimes i overcompensate for it, also as scum im way more appeasy. As town my reads tend to flip 180 randomly.
Alright but I don't see how that is particularly relevant to this game, neither of them have the same experiences as you and there's no evidence that they're even trying to carry out those tactics, as I've pointed out they've been cooperating fairly well.Sakura wrote:
There is no guarantee he'll keep townreading them sure (and in fact he didnt), but personal experience as once upon a time i bus'd my partner and then proceeded to NK people townreading me as a way to try to make me look like scum was trying to ML me by killing the people protecting me backfired hard.
Can you point out instances of bee and Frosty cooperating?
From what I can tell from a quick browse,
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
From what you've said I'm slightly less convinced that Frosty is scum and there's a chance that it's abraker, but regardless I'm pretty certain that at least beeboy is scum.
Me and Frosty have been townreading each other the whole game too, heck it's Abraker's main point for a me/Frosty scumteam.B1rd wrote:
-both of them have pretty much been townreading each other the whole game
I could've sworn it was bee pushing Jess more heavily than Frosty but i'll go double checkB1rd wrote:
-Frostings pushed the Jess vote pretty heavily rather than the beeboy vote
This is a fair point, chainsaw?B1rd wrote:
-he also went from townreading me on day 1 to scumreading me after I started to go after beeboy. As far as I know he hasn't really explained any good reason for his scumreading/voting me, it just seems like he's attacking me to defend beeboy, which as I've read on the mafiascum wiki, is pretty indicative of scum
Fact Checking from D2, Frosty wanted Jess PL'd, didn't do much scumhunting, kept ascertaining the bee's town, Went after hika then halted and said what she did was a towntell, only voted Jess near deadline.
Bee wanted Jess dead coz of an apparent lie, he legit scumread Jess, he also TR Frosty.
Bee wanted Jess dead coz of an apparent lie, he legit scumread Jess, he also TR Frosty.
You know, up until now i still wonder what the fuck was with that "Jess declared intent to hammer" shenanigans, when she never did, bee was the first one to mention it, and i pointed it out.
Then most of the D2 discussion devolved back to Jess declared intent to hammer but thought he was at L-2.
Then most of the D2 discussion devolved back to Jess declared intent to hammer but thought he was at L-2.
Damn im getting tired, and i also want to hear from Hika and Frosty (why did i almost type ika LOL), I also want to hear bee's reply to you.
I'm still waiting to see what frosty says bc I really want to vote him if not bee.
Also sorry for my lack of posts this game. I'm just really trying to focus on my health right now. If it's bad I'll VLA if I need to.
I'll just take the time to heal until frosty gets back really...
I'll just take the time to heal until frosty gets back really...
Topic Starter
Why is Invisible Inc. so hard
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Votecount 3.4
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
No Lynch [1] - Frostings (L-2)
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika, , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA until March 1th.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
That's what makes it funZexion wrote:
Why is Invisible Inc. so hard
-[Jess]- wrote:
@Dawn Any thing you want to say about?
or I will hammer after I wake up