wow rEdo mistakes were made. feel sorry if your town. I forgot about doctor role too

Sakura wrote:

No B1rd it was setup shenanigans that made Hika think that VT counter claimed 1-shot BP.
Despite how much i tried to explain to make 100% sure it was the case.

Alright... but I think I might have to go over this a bit more. Not sure exactly by what logic VT can counter-claim a PR. Also, your meta game seems consistent from what I checked.

Now as for rEdo claiming bulletproof: it was a stupid move for sure, but I don't actually think it makes him scum. Because of the fact that scum have no way of knowing whether there was no kill because of BP or doctor, I don't know why they would take such drastic measure and sacrifice a player to kill a PR when there is a 50% chance that it is a 1-shot bullet proof townie, who is now equivalent to a vanilla townie now that they've been hit once. That doesn't make sense to me so I'm gonna go on my previous assumption that rEdo is indeed town.

Also I'm not too sure why scum would specifically target people they've townread, maybe it's a meta that I'm unaware of. But I think I've pretty much fully explained the reasons I think rEdo is town.


On to scumreads/FoS:

Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.

The other person is Frosty, and I agree with abraker on his point. I also inquired about it on d1, but now that I look back at it, it still looks suspicous: frosty seemed intent on lynching Hika for no reason. And then he shifted his vote to the pseudo-Dawnsday bandwagon for no apparent reason either. He said that it was to 'highlight Dawn's behaviour', however in my opinion, Dawnsday was showing no signs of being scum at that point, he only seemed to crack later on when he was under a lot of artificial pressure. That's why I'm more suspicious of people who joined the wagon sooner rather than later.

So about this day 1 bandwagon analysis, it would seem typical if there was one scum on it, and one scum off of it, since IMO beeboy was a fence sitter for no good reason, and frosting inserted himself for no good reason, I think that the scum team is most likely beeboy + frostings. However...


Then there's the issue of jess. Hammering Dawnsday was obviously a stupid move, on top on that she hasn't been active. And from my previous game, it seems she's always like this, basically a village idiot. And I really can't read her at all (somewhat because she hardly ever posts) so for me that is grounds for a policy lynch. With everyone else, I can read to some degree. So, I'm not gonna lose that game because I took the chance and assumed she was town when I have no good way of knowing.

vote: -[Jess]-

And finally, my other reads:

Town:
Sakura, Seemingly typical town play, her meta checks out, all her posts pretty much give me the impression that she's town
rEdo, for reasons explained

Neutral:
abraker: his play so far doesn't seem atypical, though I am a bit suspicious that he didn't realise the possibility of a doctor when usually he seems to be very focused on facts
Hika: I don't know her meta, but basically going off gut feel she seems to be town and acting normal. And hasn't been particularly scummy up to this point, I would put her in townread but I'm still trying to get my head around this whole CC situation

suspicious:
beeboy, frosting, jess, for reasons already explained


Welp, that's a post and a half, lol.

VT doesn't CC his role if I'm just one of the fill up roles.
So that's what I said when I said "I honestly don't care", because at that point, it's only valid the way Sakura said it, so rEdo and I are both town.

So even if I did end up getting lynched, rEdo would still end up being town, even though I'LL flip town.

Also, yes, it was a mistake. I actually was very confused yesterday when being explained too so my apologies. I barely slept and reread everything last night.

B1rd wrote:

abraker: his play so far doesn't seem atypical, though I am a bit suspicious that he didn't realise the possibility of a doctor when usually he seems to be very focused on facts

Mind that I wasn't comprehending possible roles at that point until Sakura explained how the chart works. So I couldn't fact that

At that point I thought it was all roles on the chart with one mafia role removed and a townie role added so you can have the 2:7 setup. I wasnt even aware most townies were regular townies.

My reads thus far. Me and rEdo conf town.
Bird still looking townie to me.

Rest is null for now.

Yeah, I have to say I'm pretty conftown as well

don't get ahead of yourself Australian :p

I am here,
So,first I have to said I make a wrong choice on Day 1 by lynching dawn.This is the most silliest mistake I made.I want to explain who dawn is a town tho,but at that moment,If I explain why,scum will have the Chance to frame me and dawn were scum and people mislynch town.I know I am acting like a village idiot and saying words that not useful for scumhurting.But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.

So looking to Day 2
Finding the setup which we play now by lynching dawn and night result,that is good to hear that town is on track to finding scum.Two people claimed 1-shot BP and VT.that make me suspicious of why she claim VT and Why she want everyone to know she was town.Also frosty,who have not post in a day,still make me think is him is a scum.

About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all

-[Jess]- wrote:

I am here,
So,first I have to said I make a wrong choice on Day 1 by lynching dawn.This is the most silliest mistake I made.I want to explain who dawn is a town tho,but at that moment,If I explain why,scum will have the Chance to frame me and dawn were scum and people mislynch town.I know I am acting like a village idiot and saying words that not useful for scumhurting.But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.

So looking to Day 2
Finding the setup which we play now by lynching dawn and night result,that is good to hear that town is on track to finding scum.Two people claimed 1-shot BP and VT.that make me suspicious of why she claim VT and Why she want everyone to know she was town.Also frosty,who have not post in a day,still make me think is him is a scum.

About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all

My brain is melting

please Lynch me to stop this agony

-[Jess]- wrote:

But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.

Because you very well could be scum hiding behind a scummy action and using "I'm just getting PL'd" as your shield, simple.

Jess you literally summarized D2 thus far and didn't even do it properly.

Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!

abraker wrote:

My brain is melting

please Lynch me to stop this agony

That was her strategy all along, to win as everyone else lynches themselves from the exasperation of trying to figure out her posts.

I feel like I've done enough thinking for tonight, I hope by tomorrow later today there will be more responses to some of the things I've said.

If there is a need for a policy lynch, it needs to happen now.

Vote: -[Jess]-

Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.

Unvote

We need to hear from Frostings and beeboy before anything happens today.

rEdo wrote:

Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.

Unvote

After seeing how stupid Dawnsnday was, it's a possibility. Frosting also acts notoriously stupid, but his posts give me at least 3 red flags.

Is Jesse a newbie at this game?

abraker wrote:

Is Jesse a newbie at this game?

Technically she has enough games to not be a newbie.
She... always... plays.... like.... that....

Oh also
@Mod: Imma be V/LA starting tomorrow until Monday.

Sakura wrote:

abraker wrote:

Is Jesse a newbie at this game?

Technically she has enough games to not be a newbie.
She... always... plays.... like.... that....

Give link to a game she was townie

t/490095
t/492163
t/350620 <- Replaced in midgame.
t/475418
t/453270

reading

actually uhhh i'll read everything by tomorrow or later today

Sakura wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/490095
t/492163
t/350620 <- Replaced in midgame.
t/475418
t/453270

What can you say about Jesse's vote pattern from the games she was scum? Is there any correlation despite the vote being influenced by other members of mafia?

(actually I think Jesse would have no influence due to speech/inactivity constraints, but in a slim chance there is something...)

I can't exactly, but i cant just write off scummy things she does just coz she can use it as a way to hide when she's scum.

Don't excuse anything she does...

Everyone has an equal chance of reading the thread and being attentive to a game.
If she chooses not to do that, there are consequences

Mafia games should allow the vote to replace players

I guess my wall of text killed the game

rEdo wrote:

If there is a need for a policy lynch, it needs to happen now.

Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.

I don't know why anything needs to happen instantly, I'm still waiting on replies from other people. I'm glad jess replied, but I'm still not sure to make of her post. Ultimately the call is up to the people who have more experience playing with her; you can go off your hunches, but I'm not gonna take responsibility if we lose because it turns out she's mafia after all. I'd rather lynch her.

Also, I'd definitely like to wait till Sakura is back before we lynch anyone.

The hell is bboy.

@mod, give beeboy a prod

Sakura wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.

Because you very well could be scum hiding behind a scummy action and using "I'm just getting PL'd" as your shield, simple.

That a good point btw,but am I that dumb to use the "PL'ed" shied to hiding my scummove?

Also where are frosty and beeboy

Nothing happens. Boring. We need these two guys.